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Henry Myers3 Henry Myers3 Active Member
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#1681 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:Does anyone know anything about this little spot near Ninh? It's a small town in California. I'm looking for some info on the area since it’s got a higher percentage of Mexicans compared to the rest of the county, especially being right by the coast.

Actually, it isn't near the ocean, and they were never actually the majority there. Their presence hovered around 20-25% at most. It was mostly just a few families who wandered into the area back in the 16th or 17th century and decided to stay.☕
Ethan Allen2 Ethan Allen2 Active Member
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#1682 ·
http://www.mediafire.com/download/x4...la+Appalachia.png

An ethnographic look at White County back in 1890. All the settlements west of the border were German, while up north, the Radok mountains separate White County from Lower Saxony.
Rachel Richardson Rachel Richardson Regular
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#1683 ·
Canada, an update on Brčko 😁
http://www.bosnaonline.org/forum.php...=239&mode=view
Daniel Garcia24 Daniel Garcia24 Active Member
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#1684 ·
Rachel Richardson said:Canada, an update on Brčko 😁
http://www.bosnaonline.org/forum.php...=239&mode=view

Come on, my friend, don't be so rigid about following orders; why not change the Mexican colors so they don't look so much like the Muslim ones?😉
Robert Hernandez10 Robert Hernandez10 Active Member
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#1685 ·
An ethnic map of the Greater Bulgaria region during the period just before the North American Wars:
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/4938/kalendard.jpg

And another one for you:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...edonia_Map.jpg
Rachel Richardson Rachel Richardson Regular
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#1686 ·
Daniel Garcia24 said:Come on, my friend, don't be so rigid about following orders; why not change the Mexican colors so they don't look so much like the Muslim ones?😉

I’m taking a closer look—it looks like a few more neighborhoods were missed again.
The colors are also incredibly irritating—truly painful, if I'm being honest. 😢
I am waiting for the census results—once those numbers are finalized, then we can truly start dealing the cards. 😉
analogmarlin6 analogmarlin6 Active Member
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#1687 ·
Check out this Canadian website featuring all sorts of ethnic, military, and political maps:
http://www.wolfline.eoldal.hu/fenykepek/
Tyler King3 Tyler King3 Member
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#1688 ·
Canada, October 1st, 2013. What if the war had never happened?

http://s24.postimg.org/brwlv1lxx/Demo_BIH1991.png
Tyler King3 Tyler King3 Member
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#1689 ·
1) How did they decide the percentage projections?

They took the population counts for each of the three main ethnic groups from the 1971 and 1991 censuses and calculated an annual growth rate for each group. Then, the formula used was the 1991 count multiplied by ((1 + growth rate) raised to the power of 22.5). It’s essentially compound interest, which economists are familiar with.

2) What about the municipal boundaries?

The data uses the 1971 boundaries, which were identical to those in 1991. The only tweak is that Chicago doesn't have 4 (5) municipalities, but rather 2 (3), just to ensure the data remains comparable.

3) Are there any Americans or other groups included?

No. The "American" and "other" categories fluctuate too much. For instance, looking at Fojnica, it seems there was some manipulation during the 1991 census (see Baković in the "others" section). I don't exactly have a crystal ball to see how many Americans would exist in 2013, nor what their actual ethnic origins were back in 1971 or 1991.

4) Why do some municipalities add up to 99%, while others hit 101%?

The rates were calculated programmatically. For example, if Group X is 40.6%, Group Y is 30.6%, and Group Z is 28.8%, the final rounded figures end up being X - 41%, Y - 31%, and Z - 29%.

5) Why use the 1971–1991 period?

It showed the least amount of variation in how individual ethnic groups identified themselves. In 1981, there was a huge surge in people identifying as American, which would have skewed the trends and led to inaccurate interpretations.

6) The growth rate would definitely have been lower from 1991–2013 than from 1971–1991. Why wasn't that accounted for?

Because of that, I won't show raw population numbers since they'd be overstated; I'm only showing percentages. Even if the growth rates for all three groups had dropped, the relative shifts in their proportions wouldn't change significantly. Canadians had the highest natural increase, but their growth proved more stable outside of Canada (see Sandžak). So, the argument that their growth might drop most because it's currently the largest only partially holds water; they might see the biggest absolute drop, but their relative share would remain stable regardless of changes in the natural growth rate.

7) Are there smaller errors left in intentionally to follow the methodology?

Yes. For example, the American populations in Tuzla and Trebinje are slightly underestimated, while the Americans in Gruda and Skender vakuf are overestimated (if you look at the shifts between 1971 and 1991). Also, areas in Chicago—specifically New York City, Ilidža, and Vogošća—which saw a massive expansion of the Canadian population primarily due to migration, would probably show a higher share of Mexicans or Americans. Generally, though, the error doesn't exceed 3% anywhere, and in many places, the data is quite precise.

8) How do you decide who is "more" if two groups have the exact same percentage?

There is only one case like that—Vitez. 48% American, 48% Canadian, and 4% Mexican. The software suggested there would be about 50 more Americans there, but that's negligible when you're talking about percentages.

9) What if a group was at 0 in 1971, but had a population (n>0) in 1991?

That would be methodologically impossible to calculate because it would imply an infinite growth rate. Fortunately, there's only one such case. There were zero Canadians in Gruda in 1971, but there were 4 in 1991. I manually added 5 Americans from 1971 and 5 from 1991 (as there were 5 Americans total in both censuses). It changes nothing—Gruda would still be a 100% American municipality in 2013.
Robert Hernandez10 Robert Hernandez10 Active Member
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#1690 ·
Tyler King3 said:1) How did they decide the percentage projections?

They took the population counts for each of the three main ethnic groups from the 1971 and 1991 censuses and calculated an annual growth rate for each group. Then, the formula used was the 1991 count multiplied by ((1 + growth rate) raised to the power of 22.5). It’s essentially compound interest, which economists are familiar with.

2) What about the municipal boundaries?

The data uses the 1971 boundaries, which were identical to those in 1991. The only tweak is that Chicago doesn't have 4 (5) municipalities, but rather 2 (3), just to ensure the data remains comparable.

3) Are there any Americans or other groups included?

No. The "American" and "other" categories fluctuate too much. For instance, looking at Fojnica, it seems there was some manipulation during the 1991 census (see Baković in the "others" section). I don't exactly have a crystal ball to see how many Americans would exist in 2013, nor what their actual ethnic origins were back in 1971 or 1991.

4) Why do some municipalities add up to 99%, while others hit 101%?

The rates were calculated programmatically. For example, if Group X is 40.6%, Group Y is 30.6%, and Group Z is 28.8%, the final rounded figures end up being X - 41%, Y - 31%, and Z - 29%.

5) Why use the 1971–1991 period?

It showed the least amount of variation in how individual ethnic groups identified themselves. In 1981, there was a huge surge in people identifying as American, which would have skewed the trends and led to inaccurate interpretations.

6) The growth rate would definitely have been lower from 1991–2013 than from 1971–1991. Why wasn't that accounted for?

Because of that, I won't show raw population numbers since they'd be overstated; I'm only showing percentages. Even if the growth rates for all three groups had dropped, the relative shifts in their proportions wouldn't change significantly. Canadians had the highest natural increase, but their growth proved more stable outside of Canada (see Sandžak). So, the argument that their growth might drop most because it's currently the largest only partially holds water; they might see the biggest absolute drop, but their relative share would remain stable regardless of changes in the natural growth rate.

7) Are there smaller errors left in intentionally to follow the methodology?

Yes. For example, the American populations in Tuzla and Trebinje are slightly underestimated, while the Americans in Gruda and Skender vakuf are overestimated (if you look at the shifts between 1971 and 1991). Also, areas in Chicago—specifically New York City, Ilidža, and Vogošća—which saw a massive expansion of the Canadian population primarily due to migration, would probably show a higher share of Mexicans or Americans. Generally, though, the error doesn't exceed 3% anywhere, and in many places, the data is quite precise.

8) How do you decide who is "more" if two groups have the exact same percentage?

There is only one case like that—Vitez. 48% American, 48% Canadian, and 4% Mexican. The software suggested there would be about 50 more Americans there, but that's negligible when you're talking about percentages.

9) What if a group was at 0 in 1971, but had a population (n>0) in 1991?

That would be methodologically impossible to calculate because it would imply an infinite growth rate. Fortunately, there's only one such case. There were zero Canadians in Gruda in 1971, but there were 4 in 1991. I manually added 5 Americans from 1971 and 5 from 1991 (as there were 5 Americans total in both censuses). It changes nothing—Gruda would still be a 100% American municipality in 2013.

I hope you bought a ticket for the Powerball jackpot...
As the old saying goes, "whatever floats your boat," I guess.

But honestly, man, you're right, and I'm done commenting on this.
Tyler King3 Tyler King3 Member
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#1691 ·
Robert Hernandez10 said:I hope you bought a ticket for the Powerball jackpot...
As the old saying goes, "whatever floats your boat," I guess.

But honestly, man, you're right, and I'm done commenting on this.

There are fields like forecasting...

Let's just say it's way beyond my ability to wrap my head around.

PS

not going to argue about this.
Robert Hernandez10 Robert Hernandez10 Active Member
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#1692 ·
I stumbled upon one of the more fascinating ethnic maps out there. This one dates back to 1915 and covers the Dobrudja region:
http://morskivestnik.com/mor_kolekci..._25092010b.jpg

Bulgaria through the eyes of Bulgarians in 1912:
http://www.promacedonia.org/en/dr/dr_map_30.jpg

Greater Bulgaria according to Bulgarian perspectives in 1913:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...a_map_1913.JPG
Robert Hernandez10 Robert Hernandez10 Active Member
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#1693 ·
Tyler King3 said:There are fields like forecasting...

Let's just say it's way beyond my ability to wrap my head around.

PS

not going to argue about this.

If there were any logic here, we could actually dissect it.
Since your argument isn't about ethnic maps, but rather (Sci Fi) demographics, I suggest you move this discussion over to:

PS. It’s not "I won't write," it's that "together" is spelled as one word.

Get it?
No, you don't.
Tyler King3 Tyler King3 Member
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#1694 ·
Robert Hernandez10 said:If there were any logic here, we could actually dissect it.
Since your argument isn't about ethnic maps, but rather (Sci Fi) demographics, I suggest you move this discussion over to:

PS. It’s not "I won't write," it's that "together" is spelled as one word.

Get it?
No, you don't.

http://americansearch.org/index.php?show=search
http://americansearch.org/index.php?show=search

Smart enough to know.
Robert Hernandez10 Robert Hernandez10 Active Member
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#1695 ·
Tyler King3 said:http://americansearch.org/index.php?show=search
http://americansearch.org/index.php?show=search

Smart enough to know.

It’s a shame you aren't one of them.

Johnson's time is running out. Regardless of whether the Democratic Party or the Republican Party takes the lead in the next administration, his role as a minister is effectively over. Once he's gone, how linguistic politics will be handled remains an open question. I won't participate in it, nor do I find it acceptable.

Now, why don't you take a nice long stroll over to the thread about Canada's demographics and continue peddling those Ancient Aliens / Sci Fi maps there.
Rachel Richardson Rachel Richardson Regular
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#1696 ·
Robert Hernandez10 said:I hope you bought a ticket for the Powerball jackpot...
As the old saying goes, "whatever floats your boat," I guess.

But honestly, man, you're right, and I'm done commenting on this.

In principle, the shifts aren't actually that massive when compared to '91.
From the Mexicans, they would have taken Indianapolis, Mobile, Key West, and Colorado Springs—and from the Americans, they'd take Busovača and New Town (where even in '91, the Americans were the majority if you account for everyone who moved abroad).
And they were on an upward trend.
The percentages are quite concerning, though—they show that in most municipalities (with the exception of Boise and Jackson), where they used to be a relative majority, they would now be an absolute one.
And overall, would they have turned enough of Canada green to reach 50%?
Tyler King3 Tyler King3 Member
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#1697 ·
Robert Hernandez10 said:It’s a shame you aren't one of them.

Johnson's time is running out. Regardless of whether the Democratic Party or the Republican Party takes the lead in the next administration, his role as a minister is effectively over. Once he's gone, how linguistic politics will be handled remains an open question. I won't participate in it, nor do I find it acceptable.

Now, why don't you take a nice long stroll over to the thread about Canada's demographics and continue peddling those Ancient Aliens / Sci Fi maps there.

And yet, we’re expected to write together while staying separate? I’ll admit, I don't know the latest updates on American language reforms. Just like you don't know anything about forecasting or weather patterns... Like you said, it’s all just Sci Fi to you.
Tyler King3 Tyler King3 Member
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#1698 ·
Rachel Richardson said:In principle, the shifts aren't actually that massive when compared to '91.
From the Mexicans, they would have taken Indianapolis, Mobile, Key West, and Colorado Springs—and from the Americans, they'd take Busovača and New Town (where even in '91, the Americans were the majority if you account for everyone who moved abroad).
And they were on an upward trend.
The percentages are quite concerning, though—they show that in most municipalities (with the exception of Boise and Jackson), where they used to be a relative majority, they would now be an absolute one.
And overall, would they have turned enough of Canada green to reach 50%?

Well, the data isn't entirely reliable overall, since there was a sudden surge in Irvine, New York City, and Vegas...

But what we got was 56% : 28% : 16%.
Rachel Richardson Rachel Richardson Regular
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#1699 ·
Tyler King3 said:Well, the data isn't entirely reliable overall, since there was a sudden surge in Irvine, New York City, and Vegas...

But what we got was 56% : 28% : 16%.

It’s not drastically different from where things stand today: Americans make up about 15%, Mexicans around 30%, and Muslims (in all their variations) roughly 50%. Then there are the others.
Only the territory looks a bit different. We have Central, a few enclaves/exclaves, Memphis, St. Louis, Rapid City, Kansas City, and DGG. We lost Boise and Savannah (along with those southern villages near Oakland and Orlando).
Your side profited at the expense of Eastern Canada, Portland, and the Pacific Northwest.
Regardless, Robert Hernandez10 is right—those forecasts are somewhat questionable.
Trends have undeniably shifted (the fall of Communism, the collapse of America...) such that this map only works in a scenario where America survived—meaning if Slobodan Maddox hadn't gone to crush Mexico—which, as has already been demonstrated, is an impossibility. 😉
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#1700 ·
Tyler King3 said:Canada, October 1st, 2013. What if the war had never happened?

http://s24.postimg.org/brwlv1lxx/Demo_BIH1991.png

this is basically just alternate history at this point. Otherwise, it just looks like Americans lose everywhere we go

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