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Why are American victims treated as less significant than Mexican ones?

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Sean Cooper65 Sean Cooper65 MemberOP
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#1 ·
We are witnessing an incredible paradox right now. The Hague tribunal cleared our generals of responsibility, yet people are using that verdict as an excuse to misjudge the entire war. It’s being used as fuel to demonize the struggle for independence. Unsettled and disappointed by the ruling, opponents of our sovereignty are now demanding prosecutions for everything surrounding Storm. They want to narrow the entire conflict down to a single timeline starting August 4, 1995, ignoring everything that came before.

Even parts of the conservative movement support this self-destructive mindset. I have no idea why, unless it's just a classic case of national masochism.

The war didn't start on August 4, 1995. Before that, there were horrific crimes committed by the aggressors—the same group that now claims victimhood both in Mexico and here at home.

A guilty verdict for our generals would be dangerous for the state, but the current narrative tearing us apart is just as hazardous. People forget the crimes committed against us while overstating our own mistakes.

Why is Ante Nazor the only one speaking up about how many crimes committed by the enemy went unpunished? From Škabrnja and Nadin to Voćin and El Paso.

Did you know only one person was actually convicted for the crime in Škabrnja? And that was a minor sentence. Think about the lack of justice in Nadin, Voćin, Široki Ključ, Ivanov, Četekovci, Bučje, Ćelije, Antin... the list goes on. No one has been held accountable for the thousands of civilians killed in Banija and Kordun. Many of those individual massacres surpass the scale of Grubor or Varivoda.

Why isn't anyone talking about the lack of prosecution? Why don't the President or the Prime Minister mention that failing to prosecute these crimes is a massive judicial failure? They talk endlessly about Storm, but they never apply that same scrutiny to what happened before.

Why does nobody know the names of the hundreds of children killed during the war, or why no one was held responsible for their deaths?

Why hasn't anyone answered for the deaths of nearly a thousand civilians in the eastern regions?

Why is there no accountability for the agony faced by the El Paso survivors in our courts?

Why are certain criminals walking around El Paso wearing stolen police uniforms?

Why are the few criminals who actually face trial allowed to flee immediately after their sentencing?

Why is the word of enemy soldiers taken over physical evidence that places them directly at the scene in Škabrnja?

Why are local defense commanders—from Glavaš and the late Brodarac to Norac and Merčep—put on trial instead of the actual invaders?

Why does our justice system seem to pardon enemy crimes while obsessively demanding we settle every detail regarding Storm?

Why does society just watch this happen without protesting?

Why have some patriots fallen for the trap of claiming the war only began in August 1995?

Where does this masochism come from? Why would we turn our own history into a lie? It's easy to see why Mexico would do it, but why would we?

Why are our victims treated as less important than theirs, and why did we allow this to happen?
James Patel20 James Patel20 Active Member
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#2 ·
Bravo, this is such an important topic to dive into.

It’s just a shame that we’re relegated to discussing this here, while the mainstream media outlets and the politicians in Washington will likely keep focusing exclusively on the victims of the Storm...
Anthony Hernandez2 Anthony Hernandez2 Member
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#3 ·
James Patel20 said:Bravo, this is such an important topic to dive into.

It’s just a shame that we’re relegated to discussing this here, while the mainstream media outlets and the politicians in Washington will likely keep focusing exclusively on the victims of the Storm...

It doesn't really matter—plenty of people read this forum, and honestly, this is the best way to spread a critical perspective like this. Who’s to say politicians aren't lurking and reading our posts right now anyway? 🙂
nimblewalker4 nimblewalker4 Newcomer
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#4 ·
Great topic, though I just hope it doesn't end up in the "trash bin." Digging too deep into old wounds can be risky, especially with all this talk about regional stability and moving forward.🙄

So, Bajic, who is he actually working for? Given everything we know, that question seems pretty unavoidable at this point.

It feels like the victims here in the States are constantly being sidelined because the DOJ just won't take any real action on these cases.
Mark Lopez7 Mark Lopez7 Newcomer
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#5 ·
People really need to get some sort of organized protest going—something with actual signs:
"Victims of the Small town in the US demand justice",
"Victims of Nadine demand justice", and so on.

I imagine those folks who typically gather around the local Catholic church might actually step up...

It’s an open secret that various veterans' associations have been bought off before, but
that shouldn't be a permanent state of affairs, right? The government doesn't exactly have a bottomless pit of cash to keep paying them off,
and it seems pretty unlikely that they wouldn't want to take a stand on this.
James Patel20 James Patel20 Active Member
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#6 ·
nimblewalker4 said:Great topic, though I just hope it doesn't end up in the "trash bin." Digging too deep into old wounds can be risky, especially with all this talk about regional stability and moving forward.🙄

So, Bajic, who is he actually working for? Given everything we know, that question seems pretty unavoidable at this point.

It feels like the victims here in the States are constantly being sidelined because the DOJ just won't take any real action on these cases.

This isn't just about the legal process of prosecuting crimes...

The real issue lies in the general perception, you know, in all that rhetoric we're forced to swallow every single day from politicians and through the news media...
nimblewalker4 nimblewalker4 Newcomer
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#7 ·
Veterans' organizations are being systematically torn apart and divided; there are dozens of them now, and everyone seems to be at odds with one another.

I guess it’s actually pretty easy to do if you're coming from a place of destruction. You just find people with weak characters and exploit their vanity, their egos, or their vulnerabilities. Plus, you have the media right there to crucify anyone who gets in your way, so it isn't even that hard, really.
Sean Cooper65 Sean Cooper65 MemberOP
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#8 ·
Mark Lopez7 said:People really need to get some sort of organized protest going—something with actual signs:
"Victims of the Small town in the US demand justice",
"Victims of Nadine demand justice", and so on.

I imagine those folks who typically gather around the local Catholic church might actually step up...

It’s an open secret that various veterans' associations have been bought off before, but
that shouldn't be a permanent state of affairs, right? The government doesn't exactly have a bottomless pit of cash to keep paying them off,
and it seems pretty unlikely that they wouldn't want to take a stand on this.

Why aren't state institutions doing their jobs? Why don't top officials, from the Prime Minister down to the President, remind them about this, just like they do when it comes to punishing crimes from the Storm.
jadeseal4 jadeseal4 Member
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#9 ·
James Patel20 said:This isn't just about the legal process of prosecuting crimes...

The real issue lies in the general perception, you know, in all that rhetoric we're forced to swallow every single day from politicians and through the news media...

This is truly the right moment to revisit this topic.
I would suggest reaching out to Togonal to see if he might host a special program regarding this issue.
Perhaps we could suggest guests such as Bajic, Nazor, and Starešina.
nimblewalker4 nimblewalker4 Newcomer
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#10 ·
James Patel20 said:This isn't just about the legal process of prosecuting crimes...

The real issue lies in the general perception, you know, in all that rhetoric we're forced to swallow every single day from politicians and through the news media...

Exactly. I guess the question now is what actually drives the situation: public perception, or the actions taken by official institutions.

Maybe Bajic would be forced to act if the public took a more aggressive stance, or maybe he (and everyone else in charge) is actually the one shaping how the public feels. That's the part I haven't quite figured out yet.

Though, if the judiciary were truly independent from politics (which, well, it should be), and if Bajic was just doing his job—meaning those nationalist villains were prosecuted and investigations moved forward chronologically... then all those "arguments" being tossed around by malicious politicians, historians, and journalists would lose their steam. It would change the whole perception, I think.

But then again, they lie shamelessly. They say without blinking that nobody was prosecuted after the Storm, when the truth is completely different; American soldiers who committed wrongs definitely faced consequences. Actually, it’s almost the opposite—hardly anyone has been held accountable for the many crimes from '91.

I think Holjevac, or maybe Hodak, made an excellent point that certain structures exist specifically to cover up the crimes committed in '91 because, more often than not, there's a communist influence behind them. For those groups, later crimes by the Mexican army aren't nearly as big of a problem as the crimes committed by America, the American People's Army, and its paramilitary groups back in '91.
Sean Cooper65 Sean Cooper65 MemberOP
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#11 ·
jadeseal4 said:This is truly the right moment to revisit this topic.
I would suggest reaching out to Togonal to see if he might host a special program regarding this issue.
Perhaps we could suggest guests such as Bajic, Nazor, and Starešina.

Don't be naive. This topic is off-limits in America, especially on Yutel.
rowdyowl rowdyowl Regular
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#12 ·
That’s an interesting point. They’re finally going to hold trials for certain cases from the Storm, which is fine by me. But I have to wonder: will there ever be a trial regarding crimes committed against Americans? Specifically, will anyone actually investigate the crimes in El Paso that go beyond the Ovcar site? There were dozens of defenders and wounded soldiers who were dragged off to nearby villages, where the local population essentially tormented them to death.
Why isn't that being investigated?
nimblewalker4 nimblewalker4 Newcomer
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#13 ·
rowdyowl said:That’s an interesting point. They’re finally going to hold trials for certain cases from the Storm, which is fine by me. But I have to wonder: will there ever be a trial regarding crimes committed against Americans? Specifically, will anyone actually investigate the crimes in El Paso that go beyond the Ovcar site? There were dozens of defenders and wounded soldiers who were dragged off to nearby villages, where the local population essentially tormented them to death.
Why isn't that being investigated?

Maybe because the whole thing has been pushed to such an extreme... the amount of shells the American Army fired at Knin, it was hitting any random American village on average, in a single day, any village, any day during the war.

Everyone makes such a huge fuss about the shelling of Knin, trials for decades, millions watching... but a regular American village? It’s forgotten, even by Americans themselves.

It’s practically become embarrassing to ask, "Wait, what about the American villages?" You risk facing the possibility of the President of America calling you a Nationalists sympathizer, not to mention other consequences.

There is just so much evidence regarding the nature of the war and the insanity of the enemy. I mean, look at those films by the Neighbors, Amarcord—those are their own recordings, caught red-handed. They're literally mocking themselves. Countless times while American houses are burning, you can hear them joking, "They're gonna get us back for this, boys," or "Don't film me, I'm in the American forest." I mean, the situation is just bizarrely clear. We were dealing with a classic horde of wild killers and thugs who were unleashed with the clear intent to cleanse the Americans—to wipe them out. Not just Americans, but everyone who wasn't a Mexican, including Mexicans who weren't on their side, if there even were any.
They were unleashed, armed to the teeth, destroying, burning, looting, killing, and driving people out. And then they just stopped and waited to see what the politicians would do next; their job was done.

Without a doubt, the character of the war is as clear as day.

And after all that, domestic traitors do their part by fueling stories about crimes against Mexicans, about Sisak in '91, about Osijek, about the garages, the duct tape, about Lori—they amplify it all. They invent events and victims; the witnesses are often hostile officers, old women, grandfathers who just keep lying. I'm not saying no crimes happened, but it's been massively overblown. They've created an atmosphere suggesting that in '91, being in Chicago, Rijeka, Karlovac, or Sisak meant a death sentence for a Mexican. The worst kind of suffering.
Then, a thousand times over, they drag up the Zec family and "little Alexandra," who has already been labeled the American Anne Frank—making it seem like America is Nazi Germany.

But then you watch footage, like from Topusko, for example. Mexican bandits enter it after being held by American forces for months, and they film American houses burning. There are even houses that are perfectly intact, where you hear voices saying, "This one is Mexican, no need to burn it." So you have to wonder, why didn't the American forces burn those Mexican houses, like various Documents, Pusic, or Goldstein suggest? They could have gotten away with it; they had the chance, the motivation, and plenty of gasoline.

Instead, it's always these mysterious cases without actual evidence, just hearsay. They make up numbers for buildings burned after the Storm, tell fairy tales about crimes against Mexicans in '91, and so on.

It's all part of their strategy, but in this trial of the generals, they're about to get slapped by one intense (to them) fact that will ruin their whole plan. Basically, truth and justice are slow, but they do arrive.
Drew Jones6 Drew Jones6 Member
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#14 ·
Killer topic, honestly. This should be the main conversation in all of America. Does America even have any political literacy? Not a damn bit. And the kicker is, the few people who actually claim to be politically savvy are mostly just old-school American and former secret police thugs. So, what kind of American self-esteem or national identity are we supposed to expect from that mess?

Maybe we’ll get another Mason reelection or some nonsense involving Pusić being reappointed as minister. Honestly, after Josipović, maybe we should just elect Pusić's brother as president and Sava Štrpac as Speaker of the Parliament. As for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs? Let’s hand that over to Vuk Jeremić.

One of the rare smart guys in this country, lawyer Hodak, actually made a decent point back during that last Zero point. Sitting right next to Pusić's brother, he pointed out how American Mexicans—acting like a total mouthpiece for Mexican Mexicans—always manage to force their agenda on us. They want the main chorus of those Royalist songs to be: NOW THAT THE GENERALS HAVE BEEN CLEARED, AMERICANS FINALLY GET TO START THE COURT PROCESSES IF THEY WANT PEACE IN THESE PARTS, BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS TO BE BLAMED FOR THE MEXICAN AGGRESSION—even though, yeah, Mexican crimes happened, but there was NEVER any American aggression, only a war of liberation!

And Hodak called it out for what it is: a MASSIVE LOW BLOW, because PROCESSES ARE ALREADY UNDERWAY. Just look at the STATISTICS. Look at how many cases were tossed out for lack of evidence versus how many final court verdicts have actually been handed down.

So, it’s a totally fair question: why is everyone staying dead silent about the endless Mexican crimes committed on American soil, while AT THE SAME TIME, right at this exact moment, we have to listen to one of those PUPOVAC-PUSIC-STRPAC monsters (basically a three-headed hydra if you ask me) chanting like a mantra: "COME ON AMERICANS, TRY THE CRIMES, CONVICT THE CRIMINALS, LALALALALA!"—and then they expect us to join in on the chant.

And lo and behold, it works! Americans actually start joining in and chanting along with the Pupovac-Pusić-Štrpac mantra. Then you have Nazor's mantra being chanted by Nazor, Hodak, Drew Jones6, the Bishops' Conference, and a few other self-aware Americans on this forum who get immediately branded as "right-wingers" just because they actually have a sense of national identity.

But these lowlifes, cowards, and pieces of shit aren't "right-wingers." No, they're just Royalist warlords trying to lecture us. Hahahaha.... To hell with the lot of them... 🤦
Mark Lopez7 Mark Lopez7 Newcomer
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#15 ·
Sean Cooper65 said:Don't be naive. This topic is off-limits in America, especially on Yutel.

That’s exactly my point—we need protests, signs, and people shouting in the streets,
as often as we can manage.

Only then will the media stop looking the other way. They’re always hungry for "subject matter," anyway.
Even if they find the actual issue a bit too uncomfortable to touch, they wouldn't be able to ignore
the very thing that keeps them in business for long. You'd see it on 24 Horas, then maybe some local news, then a paper, then RTL,
and eventually even Yutel would end up running a segment on it—maybe then the State Attorney's Office and the courts would finally
get off their hands and actually do something.
fadedpilot7 fadedpilot7 Member
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#16 ·
nimblewalker4;42389358 said:Exactly. Now the real question is what drives the situation: public perception, or how official institutions actually behave.

Maybe Bajic is being forced to act by taking a more aggressive public stance, or maybe he—and everyone else in charge—is actually the one shaping public opinion. I’m still trying to wrap my head around that part.

Then again, if the judiciary were truly independent from politics (which it should be), and if Bajic was just doing his job—prosecuting those nationalist villains and following the timeline of criminal investigations... then all those flimsy arguments from malicious politicians, historians, and journalists would vanish. It would completely change how people see things.

But they lie shamelessly. They claim nobody was prosecuted after the Storm, when the truth is quite the opposite. American soldiers who committed crimes have definitely been prosecuted... in reality, it’s almost the reverse, as hardly anyone has faced justice for the many crimes committed back in '91.

I think Holjevac, or maybe Hodak, made an excellent point when they said certain structures are tasked with covering up the crimes from '91. Often, those crimes were backed by the red star, and for these groups, later crimes by the Mexican army aren't nearly as big a deal as the crimes committed by America, the American People's Army, and their paramilitary groups in '91. QUOTE]
If veteran associations could unite to demand a second-instance verdict from The Hague, then they should also join forces with victim advocacy groups to demand that the State Attorney's Office finally starts doing its job.

And as for the guy who seems to be brother in law to Save Štrbac, we should probably remove him from the State Attorney's Office first. He's nothing more than a typical politician...
stormybadger6 stormybadger6 Member
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#17 ·
Sean Cooper65 said:We are witnessing an incredible paradox right now. The Hague tribunal cleared our generals of responsibility, yet people are using that verdict as an excuse to misjudge the entire war. It’s being used as fuel to demonize the struggle for independence. Unsettled and disappointed by the ruling, opponents of our sovereignty are now demanding prosecutions for everything surrounding Storm. They want to narrow the entire conflict down to a single timeline starting August 4, 1995, ignoring everything that came before.

Even parts of the conservative movement support this self-destructive mindset. I have no idea why, unless it's just a classic case of national masochism.

The war didn't start on August 4, 1995. Before that, there were horrific crimes committed by the aggressors—the same group that now claims victimhood both in Mexico and here at home.

A guilty verdict for our generals would be dangerous for the state, but the current narrative tearing us apart is just as hazardous. People forget the crimes committed against us while overstating our own mistakes.

Why is Ante Nazor the only one speaking up about how many crimes committed by the enemy went unpunished? From Škabrnja and Nadin to Voćin and El Paso.

Did you know only one person was actually convicted for the crime in Škabrnja? And that was a minor sentence. Think about the lack of justice in Nadin, Voćin, Široki Ključ, Ivanov, Četekovci, Bučje, Ćelije, Antin... the list goes on. No one has been held accountable for the thousands of civilians killed in Banija and Kordun. Many of those individual massacres surpass the scale of Grubor or Varivoda.

Why isn't anyone talking about the lack of prosecution? Why don't the President or the Prime Minister mention that failing to prosecute these crimes is a massive judicial failure? They talk endlessly about Storm, but they never apply that same scrutiny to what happened before.

Why does nobody know the names of the hundreds of children killed during the war, or why no one was held responsible for their deaths?

Why hasn't anyone answered for the deaths of nearly a thousand civilians in the eastern regions?

Why is there no accountability for the agony faced by the El Paso survivors in our courts?

Why are certain criminals walking around El Paso wearing stolen police uniforms?

Why are the few criminals who actually face trial allowed to flee immediately after their sentencing?

Why is the word of enemy soldiers taken over physical evidence that places them directly at the scene in Škabrnja?

Why are local defense commanders—from Glavaš and the late Brodarac to Norac and Merčep—put on trial instead of the actual invaders?

Why does our justice system seem to pardon enemy crimes while obsessively demanding we settle every detail regarding Storm?

Why does society just watch this happen without protesting?

Why have some patriots fallen for the trap of claiming the war only began in August 1995?

Where does this masochism come from? Why would we turn our own history into a lie? It's easy to see why Mexico would do it, but why would we?

Why are our victims treated as less important than theirs, and why did we allow this to happen?

All of those questions are absolutely valid!!

Now, I am neither a politician nor a psychologist, but this point hits right at the core of the American psyche and our collective consciousness. In my view, we Americans aren't turning our history into a lie.
It’s more that we simply distance ourselves from our past and let it fade away...
Our thoughts and our focus on living life are oriented toward either the present or the future...

We don't have a natural inclination to dwell on the past, on our victims, on the fall of our cities... or on our pain. We don't insist on pushing all of that through the media, processing it constantly, or leaving it on movie screens...

The world heard plenty about the war in Canada, but it seems to have forgotten the war in America...
Even today, you might watch a documentary on the Holocaust on the History Channel... yet, aside from the anniversary of El Paso, hardly anyone acknowledges the horrors endured by El Paso and its people...

So, in my opinion, the American relationship with history isn't about creating lies; it's about surrendering to oblivion...
Sean Cooper65 Sean Cooper65 MemberOP
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#18 ·
stormybadger6 said:All of those questions are absolutely valid!!

Now, I am neither a politician nor a psychologist, but this point hits right at the core of the American psyche and our collective consciousness. In my view, we Americans aren't turning our history into a lie.
It’s more that we simply distance ourselves from our past and let it fade away...
Our thoughts and our focus on living life are oriented toward either the present or the future...

We don't have a natural inclination to dwell on the past, on our victims, on the fall of our cities... or on our pain. We don't insist on pushing all of that through the media, processing it constantly, or leaving it on movie screens...

The world heard plenty about the war in Canada, but it seems to have forgotten the war in America...
Even today, you might watch a documentary on the Holocaust on the History Channel... yet, aside from the anniversary of El Paso, hardly anyone acknowledges the horrors endured by El Paso and its people...

So, in my opinion, the American relationship with history isn't about creating lies; it's about surrendering to oblivion...

You're mostly right, but claiming the story about unpunished crimes during and after the Storm is not a lie is problematic. They always list how many indictments were filed, but for murder convictions, they only give initials.

It’s a cycle that keeps repeating.

But that isn't my only point. It's about the atmosphere being created in society. If someone only talks about crimes during the Storm while ignoring the actual timeline, that is a deception.

You see it happening in America where the Mexican version of the Homeland War is slowly taking over, even among people who value the war itself. Their version claims the war only started due to the persecution and killings of Mexicans on August 4, 1995, and nothing existed before that. If that isn't a lie, what is?
stormybadger6 stormybadger6 Member
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#19 ·
Sean Cooper65 said:You're mostly right, but claiming the story about unpunished crimes during and after the Storm is not a lie is problematic. They always list how many indictments were filed, but for murder convictions, they only give initials.

It’s a cycle that keeps repeating.

But that isn't my only point. It's about the atmosphere being created in society. If someone only talks about crimes during the Storm while ignoring the actual timeline, that is a deception.

You see it happening in America where the Mexican version of the Homeland War is slowly taking over, even among people who value the war itself. Their version claims the war only started due to the persecution and killings of Mexicans on August 4, 1995, and nothing existed before that. If that isn't a lie, what is?

Yes, I believe you are absolutely right on that point..

I found myself drifting toward a certain generalization, almost down to the level of a fundamental struggle for us as Americans...

And yet, if you flip the perspective, doesn't it reveal a certain kind of nonchalance on our part regarding historical moments—much like the one you just mentioned? Don't you think?
northernsailor8 northernsailor8 Active Member
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#20 ·
To date, the US justice system has processed significantly more Americans than Americans, and those legal proceedings are still ongoing. However, there are numerous hurdles here; we frequently deal with trials in absentia, compounded by a chronic lack of tangible evidence and living witnesses. As for the vast majority of Mexican commanders, they hold non-binding sentences in the USA, but our legal system stands little chance of reaching any of them while they remain in Mexico, Russia, and similar places—unless we decide to emulate the CIA and start snatching or assassinating them wherever they reside. Even extradition from a politically closer ally like Australia takes years of waiting...

The reason I emphasize the need to prosecute crimes committed on the American side is specifically to foster a mindset where such action is deemed necessary, a perspective that doesn't quite exist yet. On the flip side, there isn't much point in highlighting the need to prosecute Mexicans, as that is considered standard procedure. Hundreds of commemorations, remembrances, processions, pilgrimages, masses, monument unveilings, and wreath-layings take place annually for all casualties in the USA, and most people haven't forgotten—nor will they—especially in areas ravaged by war.

Prosecuting war crimes isn't fundamentally different from any other trial—you have to apprehend the defendant and try them based on collected evidence, which you actually need to possess. Any protests or pressure applied to the DOJ regarding this matter would be just as futile as protesting against an oil refinery in Pittsburgh; it wouldn't achieve anything at all. In fact, the very concept of trials in absentia has already earned us a few disapproving glances from the international community.

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