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What's the point of required reading?

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#761 ·
urbantinker8 said:Good grief, give me a break.
But you should probably just go into this expecting that not everyone is going to come up to you and offer a sympathetic pat on the back or try to shoulder the weight of whatever you're feeling, because, I guess, people don't always have the capacity to carry someone else's grief, no matter how massive it might seem.🙂
I suppose I should probably mention that I’ve been thinking about this quite a bit lately, though I can't say I have any definitive answers, just some vague, drifting impressions that seem to settle in my mind whenever things get too quiet. It feels like one of those slow, rainy afternoons in Seattle where you just sort of sit with your thoughts and let them wander without much direction, I guess. Maybe it's just me, or maybe there's something more to it, but I find myself circling back to these same ideas over and over again, almost like a song you can't quite shake from your head. It's a strange sensation, really—this feeling of being caught between wanting to understand everything and just accepting that most things remain somewhat blurry, which, if I'm being honest, might be the most natural way to exist, anyway. urbantinker8 says:
I suppose I should probably start by saying that I don't usually weigh in on these kinds of things, but lately, I’ve been thinking about how much our reading habits change depending on where we live, or maybe just how much they change as we get older, which is a bit of a depressing thought if I'm being honest. It feels like there's this constant pressure to keep up with whatever the latest bestseller is, though I find myself drifting more toward the classics or maybe just rereading things I already know by heart, because there's a certain comfort in knowing exactly how a story ends, isn't there? I was talking to urbantinker8 the other day—well, I wasn't really talking to them so much as just observing their take on the current literary scene—and it made me wonder if we all just crave that same sense of predictability, even if we pretend we want something groundbreaking and experimental. Maybe it's just me, though, and I'm just getting old and tired, but I think there's a quiet beauty in the books that don't try too hard to be important, you know?

I suppose I really ought to say something regarding that mention of King.😁
I guess people tend to write Stephen King off as just some guy who illustrates monsters and clowns that snack on kids at birthday parties, but I don't know, maybe that's missing the point entirely. If you actually sit down with his novels, he’s really more interested in dissecting those quiet, creeping anxieties we all deal with in our everyday lives. Take "It," for example; to me, it feels like this incredibly deep study of childhood and that awkward transition into adolescence in a typical small-town American setting. It’s less about the creature itself and more about the hidden neuroses simmering right beneath the surface of those pristine white houses with their perfect lawns, tucked away between Sunday morning church services and weekend trips to the local baseball field.

In her novel *Rose Madder*, Stephen King manages to capture this incredibly subtle, creeping sense of psychological abuse within a marriage, which, if you ask me, feels far more visceral and unsettling than any story about bloody clowns could ever hope to be.
Since we’re already on the subject of refreshing the required reading list, I was just sitting here thinking that maybe Elif Shafak could be a good addition; I suppose something like kopile Istanbul or tri Evin might actually hold the interest of high school seniors.

I suppose Herman Koch’s *The Dinner* might fit the bill here too. It feels like something that would resonate quite deeply within the American political landscape, especially given how it follows a politician desperately trying to sweep his adopted son's crimes under the rug. Then again, maybe we could look at *The Casual Vacancy* by J. K. Rowling instead. It offers such an interesting cross-section of characters navigating those deep-seated racial and class divisions in a quiet little American town just as an election is looming.

Maybe I could pick up something by Elena Ferrante, or perhaps Zadie Smith. Then again, there’s Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, or maybe Junot Diaz. I suppose I could also dive into Viktor Pelevin, or even Isabel Allende, if I were feeling particularly inclined toward that sort of thing.

I think you really nailed everything you wrote there.
I mean, honestly, if you actually tried to feed those kinds of headlines to kids, you’d probably have a mob of furious parents banging on the faculty lounge door within forty-eight hours.
100%.
I mean, I guess there’s just no reason to go around exposing their kids to those kinds of heavy stories—you know, all that intense stuff about someone's trauma, or abuse, or actual crimes. It feels like maybe we should just leave them out of it.
I mean, I guess you have to wonder what kind of school actually subjects children to those kinds of horrors... it really makes you think about the environment they're being raised in.😲

I suppose I should probably mention that SummerNight was here, though I can't quite decide if they were being particularly profound or just lost in thought, which, to be fair, is a distinction that often feels a bit blurry to me anyway. It’s funny how those moments pass, I guess. Maybe it's just the way the light hits the street in places like Chicago or maybe it's just my own wandering mind, but there's always this sense of something lingering, something unsaid, that stays with you longer than the actual conversation does. I find myself drifting back to those thoughts quite often, really. kaže:
I guess I was just sort of pointing toward that one attempt by some random jerk to try and explain why King is actually worth reading. 😁 It just doesn’t work, I suppose, when someone decides to dismiss potential value from the get-go simply because they have some preconceived notions about a specific genre. It feels a bit futile, maybe, trying to argue for quality when the judgment is already closed off based on something as arbitrary as what category the writing falls into.

My dear. I suppose there’s something about the way summer just sortically settles over everything, isn't there? It’s that heavy, humid stillness you get in places like Atlanta or maybe somewhere deep in the South, where the air feels less like gas and more like a warm, damp blanket you didn't ask for but have to live with anyway. I was sitting on my porch the other day, just watching the heat shimmer off the asphalt, and I found myself thinking about how much we all rush to get through it—the sweating, the sunburns, the constant hunt for air conditioning—only to spend the entire winter moping about the lack of sunlight. It’s a strange, cyclical sort of madness, I guess. Maybe it’s just the light, though. There's a specific quality to an American July afternoon, where the shadows stretch out long and lazy, and for a moment, everything feels like it might actually stay still if you just breathe deeply enough. Or maybe that’s just wishful thinking on my part.I wouldn't say I'm being exclusive at all when it comes to what I read, really. If anything, I’m quite the opposite, I guess.
I guess what—I’ve realized I actually quite like Stephen King.😲
Just because I personally found Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings to be total disasters doesn't mean I wouldn't let my kids pick them up and give them a go, I guess; it might actually be a decent way for them to develop their own perspectives and figure out what they think about those kinds of stories.
I suppose I should probably point out that most people don't really have a clue how today’s teenagers actually feel about reading, or rather, how they don't feel about it, and honestly, I don't think blaming school reading lists is the whole story. It feels like there's more to it than just assigned books, maybe... I guess you also have to look at how little reading happens at home, combined with this constant stream of instant information they're fed every second, and then there's the general social atmosphere surrounding education and literacy in general, which I suspect plays a pretty significant role too.
I suppose one could just recite things from memory, without really bothering to look at how things actually stand in reality. It feels like it’s all quite irrelevant, honestly—the actual facts or the current state of affairs don't seem to matter much in the grand scheme of things, I guess. I suppose I should probably mention that vasa... Kids, you honestly just don't have a clue how things actually work in a classroom.
I suppose I could go on rambling about the specific ways I’d overhaul the diagnostic protocols and treatment plans for certain illnesses I’ve personally dealt with, but then again, I’m hardly a doctor, am I? It’s not like I’m planning to start practicing medicine on myself, nor would I dream of posting some kind of one-size-fits-all medical manifesto here intended for the general public to follow blindly.
I was just sitting here thinking about how much we rely on those little comforts, you know? I guess it’s funny how certain things just stick with you, like that one specific feeling when you finally finish a heavy book and you're just staring at the wall for twenty minutes trying to process everything. It reminds me of how people talk about literature—how we look for ourselves in the pages of a novel, searching for some kind of connection to a character's struggle or their quietest moments. Maybe that's why authors like Zadie Smith or Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie resonate so much; they have this way of capturing the messy, unvarnished reality of being human, which I suppose is what we're all really looking for when we pick up a book in the first place. It's a bit of a rabbit hole, isn't it? Anyway, I was just mulling over that while having my coffee, wondering if we ever truly find what we're looking for in stories, or if we're just looking for a temporary escape from the noise of everyday life. I don't know, maybe I'm overthinking it. urbantinker8 says:
Of course it isn't. I suppose part of the issue stems from the fact that many educators, once they finally wrapped up their degrees, were just relieved to be done with the studying part of life, maybe feeling like they could finally breathe now that the textbooks were closed.

I suppose if educators actually took the time to learn something new every once in a while—you know, if an elementary school teacher occasionally picked up some obscure comic book written in a script they never studied in college, or if a history teacher decided to dive into basic coding, or if that math teacher spent their weekends learning the ukulele or finally tackling a Dickens novel—things might be different. Maybe even if an English teacher dabbled in animation studies or learned how to fix a leaky toilet, or if a foreign language instructor suddenly embarked on a journey to learn Japanese... I feel like they would have so much more empathy for their students. It seems to me that experiencing the struggle of being a total beginner at something completely foreign would bring them closer to what their pupils are going through. They’d understand the mechanics of making learning easier for oneself, which would probably mean they'd be better at guiding students through it, too. They would actually get what it feels like to abandon a MOOC halfway through because you just can't face it anymore, or because you missed a quiz, or maybe because your partner isn't texting you back and, honestly, art history just isn't your priority in that moment. It’s just a thought, I guess.

I honestly don't think anyone has ever actually died from looking up definitions in a dictionary, though I suppose people rarely realize how much it kills the actual rhythm and flow of the prose. Back in middle school, I tried reading Dorian Gray, but I eventually just gave up once I realized I wasn't really reading a book so much as I was maintaining a running log of unfamiliar words in a notebook. Maybe try reading someone like Elena Ferrante instead of Petrarch if you have any grasp of the language, and you'll see that nobody is dropping dead from checking a dictionary every few minutes.

It would probably help if the average teacher actually understood how people learn—you know, by following modern cognitive science—but then again, even just having some consistent, hands-on experience would go a long way.

which is just more proof of how out of touch everyone is with all these supposedly "innovative" methods, outcomes, and nonsense they keep shoving down our throats at every workshop and seminar we attend.

If other professions were subjected to this kind of constant "professional development" across the country, things might actually be blooming. 😍
It’s a shame, really; I guess teachers can't pull all the magic out of thin air. 🙂

And manchild, what a little prince, seriously.
Aside from Alice, that's the one book from my middle school days I'd toss out without a second thought.
boooooring 🥱
damn. I liked that kid from Sutla way better than those two little essays. 🤣

🙏

I guess I thought The Little Prince was actually decent when I was a kid, but once I grew up, I realized it’s basically just a collection of inspirational crap you'd find on Tumblr.

My teacher kept trying to convince me that I'd eventually grow to love it as an adult. 😢
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#762 ·
Kate Cox2 said:Why on earth would you think I care, or that anyone has any business sharing in my grief?🤔
And why on earth would you assume I’m sad? I am not sad—I am absolutely incensed by our American school system! I came here specifically to voice my frustrations, and since the topic has already been opened, I intend to use this space to say exactly what is on my mind.
You really don't have to read them; please, feel free to just skip right over my posts if you'd like!

I'm not quite sure if you're feeling down or just agitated, but it seems like you're getting worked up over some random classic book assigned in class.
well, fine, if you want to vent, then go ahead and vent.🤷
but if you're going to post your opinion, I guess you should probably let someone else post an opinion that doesn't necessarily align with yours.
it's not really possible for me to just ignore certain posts, they kind of stick out too much, I guess.
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#763 ·
urbantinker8 said:I'm not quite sure if you're feeling down or just agitated, but it seems like you're getting worked up over some random classic book assigned in class.
well, fine, if you want to vent, then go ahead and vent.🤷
but if you're going to post your opinion, I guess you should probably let someone else post an opinion that doesn't necessarily align with yours.
it's not really possible for me to just ignore certain posts, they kind of stick out too much, I guess.

I haven't forbidden anyone from expressing their thoughts... where on earth did you get that impression?🤔
Write, don't write, read, don't read... do whatever suits you best.
Just like everyone else on this forum, I am perfectly entitled to say what's on my mind. I'll have plenty of time to form new opinions about school literature once I reach junior year in high school. For now, I find Pinocchio incredibly irritating, and frankly, I think assigning it to second graders is idiotic. You can agree with me, or you don't have to... it's not that deep.
I've said my piece, gotten it off my chest, and now I'm moving on, for goodness sake...😁
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#764 ·
Anthony Ward6 said:🙏

I guess I thought The Little Prince was actually decent when I was a kid, but once I grew up, I realized it’s basically just a collection of inspirational crap you'd find on Tumblr.

My teacher kept trying to convince me that I'd eventually grow to love it as an adult. 😢

Honestly, thank God I only had to hear that one time in my life, rather than having it drilled into me by everyone else.🙏
Seriously, thanks a million for saying it. 🙂

It feels like I’ve spent my entire life being lectured about this book—as if, by not understanding it, I either have terrible taste or there’s something fundamentally wrong with my brain, because apparently everyone else loves it. It's like this eternal fountain of inspiration for... I don't even know, maybe slogans on coffee mugs or something.🙄
To me, Coelho is just writing for children.
I think I’ve actually picked it up a few times during different stages of my life, mostly just trying to convince myself that either it really is a masterpiece and I’m just being dense, or that I’m right and it’s just a more polished version of some generic Hallmark greeting card sentimentality.
It’s just... yeah, Coelho plus a cheap motivational poster is pretty much the whole vibe.😁
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#765 ·
I don't know what to tell you guys, but calling this "extreme" is such a massive stretch it’s actually kind of hilarious. Like, are we even watching the same thing? I feel like I'm losing my mind listening to some of you blow this way out of proportion. It’s not some world-ending catastrophe; it’s just... intense. There's a huge difference between something being heavy-duty and something being absolutely unhinged. I get it, though—I really do. I’m probably being too cynical and I definitely have a tendency to overthink everything until I’m just yelling at my screen, but seriously, let's dial it back a notch. We need to stop treating every single bump in the road like it's a total meltdown. It’s exhausting, and honestly, it makes it impossible to have a real conversation when everyone is acting like the sky is falling. Let's just take a breath and look at the actual facts for once instead of just reacting to the hype. kaže:
I’ve gotta say, I am legitimately floored by the reading list they handed down for second grade this year. It starts off fine—some fairytales, short stories, picture books—and then suddenly we hit *Pinocchio*. Look, it’s a classic, sure, but there is absolutely NO way a seven-year-old is supposed to just tackle that book solo and actually make sense of it. The vocabulary is insane. There are words in there that even I had to double-check, let alone a kid. We’re talking massive, complex sentences and mouthfuls that are just way too heavy for someone that age. Unless you’ve got a literal child prodigy on your hands, this isn't an independent reading assignment; it’s a full-blown parental chore. My daughter has been "reading" this thing for days, but honestly? I’ve basically had to sit right next to her the whole time because she hits a word she can't decode even after five tries. It was actually heartbreaking—she’s normally a great reader, but she ended up in tears over this one. I’m seriously sitting here wondering what kind of lunatic decided this belongs in a second-grade curriculum.


Look, let’s be real for a second: if you’re struggling to wrap your head around the vocabulary in a second-grade reading book, maybe—and I mean *maybe*—you shouldn't be the one sitting there trying to tutor your kid. It sounds harsh, I know, I'm being a total jerk here, but someone’s gotta say it. If the material is tripping you up, how on earth are you supposed to guide them through it? It's just common sense. 😲 I actually picked this up back in my freshman year of high school—not even for a class assignment, just because. Honestly, you can pretty much piece the whole thing together through context clues alone, or just keep a dictionary handy if you’re struggling. But look, let's be real: there's also a decent chance the guy just isn't a great reader to begin with, or he's one of those people who skims through pages without actually processing a single word.

Megan Thomas5 said:Half the people picking the school reading lists haven't even read half these books themselves. There’s no way they’d ever consider something like *Johnny Got His Gun* or *The Catcher in the Rye* appropriate for kids if they actually understood them.

I remember grinding through *Johnny Tremain* back in middle school for one of those mandatory reading assignments. Honestly, if you actually take the time to sit down and read it, it’s actually pretty solid. It hits different because you're following these kids who are basically your age, thrown into this absolute whirlwind of a situation. It’s way more engaging than your typical dry-as-dust school book when you realize the characters are dealing with stuff just as intense as we would.
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#766 ·
No, The Little Prince isn't some modern celebrity influencer because the book is actually sincere and authentic.
It’s not trying to be deep philosophy, but it's such a lovely, heartwarming children's story with more substance than a typical Hollywood rom-com. It stays with you for life, whether that's through nostalgia or just the simple truths it tells.
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#767 ·
When it comes to unfamiliar vocabulary, I don't really see it as an issue as long as my child is reading fluently and isn't stumbling over every third word.
Honestly, even I picked up a new word while reading *The Little Prince* with my little one 😂
I'm actually looking forward to using it myself 😂
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#768 ·
rowdypanther12 said:No, The Little Prince isn't some modern celebrity influencer because the book is actually sincere and authentic.
It’s not trying to be deep philosophy, but it's such a lovely, heartwarming children's story with more substance than a typical Hollywood rom-com. It stays with you for life, whether that's through nostalgia or just the simple truths it tells.

but honestly, I feel like those mainstream authors and Coelho themselves probably believe they're being deep and authentic.🙂
and what’s even worse, I guess is that entire cult following of readers and influencers who totally buy into that illusion.😲

I mean, sure, there is a message there, but it felt so incredibly cheesy to me even when I was reading it as an eight or nine-year-old, so I can only imagine how it lands now.
it isn't exactly high philosophy, but maybe that's precisely why it fails—it tries way too hard to be profound, which just makes it feel... tacky.
it's not that it didn't stay with me in some way, but rather that it remains one of the most tedious things I've ever had to read for school.
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#769 ·
That’s really the whole point; I’m not trying to get too deep here 😁
Anyway, regarding *The Catcher in the Rye*, reading it at twelve or thirteen is perfectly fine. Or maybe something like *The Great Gatsby*—it works well as a stepping stone toward more complex literature.
It just feels a little strange to me when adults read it and take everything so incredibly seriously.
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rowdypanther12 said:That’s really the whole point; I’m not trying to get too deep here 😁
Anyway, regarding *The Catcher in the Rye*, reading it at twelve or thirteen is perfectly fine. Or maybe something like *The Great Gatsby*—it works well as a stepping stone toward more complex literature.
It just feels a little strange to me when adults read it and take everything so incredibly seriously.

actually, I think he really does want to be deep and philosophical, it’s just that he tries to say it all in this very simple, accessible way.😁
in the end, though, I don't think it actually reaches those depths or becomes true philosophy; it's just plain, but not in a good way.😁
it seems to me that authors like Saint-Exupéry or Paulo Coelho ended up being categorized as children's writers almost by accident, because I guess they were aiming for something much more profound, but the result just turned out differently than they intended.😂😂
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#771 ·
Well, we all seem to have experienced it a little differently 😁
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#772 ·
rowdypanther12 said:Well, we all seem to have experienced it a little differently 😁

absolutely.😁

this feels like it could be a really interesting conversation to have over a drink at a local pub.👍
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#773 ·
I'm with you on that! 👍
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#774 ·
Yeah, honestly, I would’ve moved half those high school reading list books to an earlier grade. So much of that stuff feels like it was written specifically for that awkward puberty phase; by the time you're 18, that whole sense of being lost in time and space has already passed 😁 *The Catcher in the Rye* or *The Stranger*... to me, all of that is for 15 or 16-year-olds, not adults 😁
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#775 ·
Honestly, kids just can't really wrap their heads around The Little Prince.
I reread it a few years back when I was in my mid-30s, and that’s when it finally clicked. That rose character? Suddenly felt so much more real.
I wouldn't say I'll go back to it anytime soon, but hey, who knows.

If you think Pinocchio was a tough read for little ones, just wait until you hit Peter Pan (my kid had it over the summer between second and third grade)—but I mean the actual book, not those watered-down modern versions.
I was obsessed with it then, and I still am. But man, the writing is intense; the sentences are super complex, yet it’s beautiful and really makes you think. And isn't that the whole point? To be challenging, to push your brain in different directions?

And look, if a second grader is still struggling with basic phonics and syllables... that shouldn't be the norm. It should be an exception, not something happening all the time. By the end of the second semester in second grade, a kid should be able to actually *read*. Like, truly read. They might get exhausted doing it, but they should be able to tackle those texts. I mean, we did it. Why shouldn't they? Newer generations should be even sharper than us.

Besides, if that's not already the standard (which clearly it isn't), I won't stand for it. I refuse to let my kid live that kind of lifestyle—not in any way. Period. Whatever we went through—and let's face it, that's just basic, fundamental education that worked for countless people—my kid will go through too. Whether it's hard or easy, whatever. Some things will click faster, some won't.

But nothing develops properly when you start underestimating people and what they're capable of. Sure, everyone has strengths, weaknesses, quirks, or maybe even some learning disability that makes things harder, but you deal with that by finding solutions.
You don't solve it by deciding Peter Pan is "too hard." He's not. And I'm not letting anyone take the easy way out for my kid.
Sorry, totally went off on a tangent there.
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#776 ·
Look, I think it’s best if we give them autumn themes during their second year. I'm fairly certain it'll force them to put in some real effort and actually get them thinking about things.
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#777 ·
We didn't even touch on him.

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#778 ·
rowdypanther12 said:Look, I think it’s best if we give them autumn themes during their second year. I'm fairly certain it'll force them to put in some real effort and actually get them thinking about things.


Maybe they should just read some Hemingway and learn how steel is tempered—might actually toughen them up a bit.😬
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#779 ·
I mean, he and that bitter kid from third grade were still better off
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#780 ·
Honestly, any debate is just a waste of breath until we actually get down to the merits of the matter (I had to 🤣).
The question driving this entire thread should be the alpha and omega; once we answer that, everything else regarding which books make the reading list starts to fall into place.

I’ve spent my entire academic career listening to this exact argument, and I’ll say this: I side with anyone who believes that required reading shouldn't just be a parade of canons and classics. It shouldn't be used as some tool to force-feed students a specific "taste"—in fact, I think trying to shape their preferences like that is dangerous and reckless. And lastly, it shouldn't be used as a crutch for teaching literary history.

In my view, the curriculum needs to offer variety to suit different tastes—otherwise, how can a student even develop a sense of taste in the first place? Reading should spark discussions about why we need books at all, how they've survived as one of humanity's greatest achievements, and how they help refine our living language while offering entertainment and fresh perspectives on the "other." Yes, there needs to be careful selection, and sure, there should be a core set of essentials, but for God's sake, there has to be some breathing room too.

Ideologies, dissecting themes, forcing some imaginary narrative line onto kids to guide them through a book... forget all that. As a teacher, what actually excites me is hearing what they can teach *me* about the world they live in today, rather than me lecturing them about eras that are long gone and dead.

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