Independence Day and Anti-Fascist Struggle Day

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There’s really no reason to celebrate June 22nd. I mean, why should the entire country be celebrating an uprising started by some 70 Communists just because they were attacked by a big brother figure?

June 25th would be more appropriate, and so would October 8th, since that was when Congress passed the decision following the referendum—basically honoring the will of the vast majority of the population in the United States.

Just marking this date: 05.08.

velvetmaker3 said:There’s really no reason to celebrate June 22nd. I mean, why should the entire country be celebrating an uprising started by some 70 Communists just because they were attacked by a big brother figure?

June 25th would be more appropriate, and so would October 8th, since that was when Congress passed the decision following the referendum—basically honoring the will of the vast majority of the population in the United States.

If we had seen a peaceful breakup right after June 25th, things would have been totally different! If you look at June 25th versus April 10th and the declaration of the Independent State of America, there's a huge gap. Once the Independent State of America was proclaimed, it actually got international recognition! But nothing happened after June 25th; nobody recognized us back then. We only got that recognition after the tragedy in El Paso and all those sacrifices. Honestly, if we had lost everything like back in 1945, June 25th would just be another forgotten footnote in history, just like April 10th, 1941!

I’ve laid out three dates that actually matter: the formation of the National Guard, International recognition and entry into Little Rock! Those are the real milestones for today's America!

John Doe said:Just look at June 25th compared to April 10th when Nazi Germany was declared! Right after they declared it, it was recognized by the international community!

Wait, Nazi Germany was internationally recognized?! 😂
I mean, only the Axis powers recognized them (you know, the ones that actually lost the war), plus Sweden and Argentina... That doesn't really count as being recognized by the international community, I guess.

Kimberly Cox59 said:Wait, Nazi Germany was internationally recognized?! 😂
I mean, only the Axis powers recognized them (you know, the ones that actually lost the war), plus Sweden and Argentina... That doesn't really count as being recognized by the international community, I guess.

Who actually cares about Nazi Germany?

We have our own American Civil War and our own heroes. Why should we care who fought on which side during WW2, the Napoleonic Wars, or the conflicts between the Persians and the Greeks?

I'm being dead serious. During WW2, we had Americans fighting for disgusting Nazis and Americans fighting for an America I couldn't care less about.

Both outcomes were terrible for us. There’s nothing to celebrate here; just show respect to all the innocent victims.

rowdyowl said:Who actually cares about Nazi Germany?

We have our own American Civil War and our own heroes. Why should we care who fought on which side during WW2, the Napoleonic Wars, or the conflicts between the Persians and the Greeks?

I'm being dead serious. During WW2, we had Americans fighting for disgusting Nazis and Americans fighting for an America I couldn't care less about.

Both outcomes were terrible for us. There’s nothing to celebrate here; just show respect to all the innocent victims.

The whole foundation for the American Civil War was actually the formation of the National Guard! Instead of celebrating that, we end up celebrating the setup of partisan units organized by the Communist Party, which operated throughout what used to be the failed Kingdom of America and Nazi Germany!

I'm right there with you on honoring the victims! We need to show that respect for everyone, from Auschwitz to Wounded Knee, all on the same day.

Kyle Reese said:Who actually cares about Nazi Germany?

I mean, we have our own American Civil War and our own heroes to focus on. I guess it doesn't really matter who took which side during WW2, the Napoleonic Wars, or those old conflicts between the Persians and the Greeks, right?

I don't know, though. It looks like the guy above me was trying to compare Independence Day to April 10, 1941, in some sort of weird way.

Sean Fox60 said:If we had seen a peaceful breakup right after June 25th, things would have been totally different! If you look at June 25th versus April 10th and the declaration of the Independent State of America, there's a huge gap. Once the Independent State of America was proclaimed, it actually got international recognition! But nothing happened after June 25th; nobody recognized us back then. We only got that recognition after the tragedy in El Paso and all those sacrifices. Honestly, if we had lost everything like back in 1945, June 25th would just be another forgotten footnote in history, just like April 10th, 1941!

I’ve laid out three dates that actually matter: the formation of the National Guard, International recognition and entry into Little Rock! Those are the real milestones for today's America!

There isn't much to celebrate regarding international recognition. That would basically just be celebrating the fact that other people decided to show us mercy.
What we should really be celebrating are our own decisions, which eventually led to that recognition.
We were already an independent nation before anyone else acknowledged it. We should celebrate the day we actually declared our independence. Whether that's June 25th or October 8th is something for the historians to argue about.

Kanye said:We don't really have anything to celebrate regarding international recognition. I mean, celebrating that would just be celebrating someone else's permission or their mercy, right?
What we should actually be celebrating is our own choices, because those decisions are what eventually led to being recognized anyway.
We were already independent before anyone else acknowledged it. So, we should focus on the day we actually declared ourselves free. Whether that’s June 25th or October 8th... I guess it's up to the historians to decide.

That's true. We make the calls about our own independence, not some other country.

Kimberly Cox59 said:I don't know, though. It looks like the guy above me was trying to compare Independence Day to April 10, 1941, in some sort of weird way.

Look, I think people are missing the point here—April 10, 1941, didn't mean a thing once the war ended! And June 25th? Nobody in the world actually recognized us then; instead, all the big global players just sat back and let the US Armed Forces and Americans try to crush us! It wasn't until January 15th that we were finally recognized as a country. They gave us that recognition while the fighting was still going on and used the UN to make sure America kept its borders after 1945!
June 25th doesn't carry any weight, and neither does April 10, unless you actually win the war and get international recognition!

none said:I think you’re missing the point about April 10th, 1941—that whole thing fell apart once the war ended! And nobody in the world actually recognized June 25th. Instead, global powers just stood by and let the US Army and others try to crush us. Once they realized they couldn't, they finally recognized us as a State on January 15th! They recognized us during the conflict and used the UN to make sure America kept its borders after 1945!

Hmm, hmm, hmm... I guess we’re starting to drift into expansionist territory now, aren't we? The borders from 1943 (AFL-CIO) were the ones internationally recognized, and honestly, any attempt at expanding them would probably just tank our reputation globally. Just look back at how much trouble those old regional disputes caused for our foreign policy...

velvetmaker3 said:There isn't much to celebrate regarding international recognition. That would basically just be celebrating the fact that other people decided to show us mercy.
What we should really be celebrating are our own decisions, which eventually led to that recognition.
We were already an independent nation before anyone else acknowledged it. We should celebrate the day we actually declared our independence. Whether that's June 25th or October 8th is something for the historians to argue about.

Our moves back then didn't exactly follow the rules of the old republic or the laws of the global community! If you ask me, Independence Day should be January 15th. That was when the late president, Franjo Harmon, stepped up as the leader of the Republic of America. Once that happened, you finally get actual standing at the UN and can actually communicate with other nations as a legitimate state!

To take this a step further; when exactly is the national day for Palestine?

Sean Fox60 said:Honestly, neither of these holidays means anything to the American people and they should just be scrapped altogether!

Back on June 22, 1941, a civil war broke out among Americans, and all it led to was Marshall's America, which isn't even around anymore!

As for June 25th, that was just some bureaucratic decision made by Parliament that most of the world didn't even bother recognizing!
The day that actually matters for America is when the National Guard was established in Washington, D.C., not some guerrilla unit organized by the Communist Party back in '41!
For us, the real Independence Day is in January, when we finally gained recognition from Vatican City and the European Union after months of bloody warfare and total devastation!

The reality is that the civil war actually kicked off on April 10th, when a certain faction of the population began systematically targeting anyone who didn't fit their specific ideology or genetic profile.
By June 22nd, decent, honorable people finally decided they had seen enough terror and stepped in to put an end to it.

Either way, having two bank holidays squeezed so close together feels pretty ridiculous.

Sean Fox60 said:Our moves back then didn't exactly follow the rules of the old republic or the laws of the global community! If you ask me, Independence Day should be January 15th. That was when the late president, Franjo Harmon, stepped up as the leader of the Republic of America. Once that happened, you finally get actual standing at the UN and can actually communicate with other nations as a legitimate state!

To take this a step further; when exactly is the national day for Palestine?

Recognition is essentially being granted a right. It was their way of telling us that our independence was legitimate—that our decision stood and that we truly are a country. That’s the moment we should actually be celebrating.

I guess it's funny you didn't suggest we celebrate the day the Badinter commission handed down its opinion.

Sean Fox60 said:The whole foundation for the American Civil War was actually the formation of the National Guard! Instead of celebrating that, we end up celebrating the setup of partisan units organized by the Communist Party, which operated throughout what used to be the failed Kingdom of America and Nazi Germany!

I'm right there with you on honoring the victims! We need to show that respect for everyone, from Auschwitz to Wounded Knee, all on the same day.

Never!
That would be nothing less than an insult to every single victim of the Nationalists terror.

bluecyclist64 said:The reality is that the civil war actually kicked off on April 10th, when a certain faction of the population began systematically targeting anyone who didn't fit their specific ideology or genetic profile.
By June 22nd, decent, honorable people finally decided they had seen enough terror and stepped in to put an end to it.

Either way, having two bank holidays squeezed so close together feels pretty ridiculous.

No, it didn't start on April 10th.

It started with the communist uprising, the anniversary of which is tomorrow.

And the most interesting part is that on June 22nd, '41, they decided to go after their political opponents, and then proceeded to massacre them en masse.
Both the fascists and the anti-fascists deal with their dissidents in the exact same way.

bluecyclist64 said:Never!
That would be nothing less than an insult to every single victim of the Nationalists terror.

Interesting. We don't observe days dedicated to Royalist terror, even though their body count was nearly as high as the Nationalists's? 🤷

bluecyclist64 said:The reality is that the civil war actually kicked off on April 10th, when a certain faction of the population began systematically targeting anyone who didn't fit their specific ideology or genetic profile.
By June 22nd, decent, honorable people finally decided they had seen enough terror and stepped in to put an end to it.

Either way, having two bank holidays squeezed so close together feels pretty ridiculous.

The civil war didn't start in April, it started on June 22nd, and honestly, this whole mess is just a massive failure by our politicians! For us Americans, it probably would have been better if none of these dates even existed. You had decent folks fighting on both sides, whether they were in the Nazi Germany ranks or joining the guerrillas of the Communist Party! We’re still paying the price for how America was built, and we’ll be feeling the fallout from its collapse for at least another 40 years until the last defenders of the Republic of America pass away.

If you ask me, we should just scrap these two holidays entirely and stick to celebrating the Founding Day of the National Guard, January 15th, and August 5th, the Day of Homeland Gratitude!

bluecyclist64 said:Never!
That would be nothing less than an insult to every single victim of the Nationalists terror.

Do you honestly think those partisans were some kind of democrats?

If the younger generation can manage to step up and take a more civilized approach, then we really need to look at the victims through a different lens. Some people actually made it out of Auschwitz, others managed to escape during camp breakouts. But how many people actually survived being hunted through the woods of Austria during those mass shootings after Waterloo, or while they were being picked out for execution during their own version of the Stations of the Cross?

My old man isn't around anymore, but I’d love to see the people who are still with us actually show some respect by laying wreaths and lighting candles for those they lost!