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bluecyclist64 bluecyclist64 Regular
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#41 ·
Sean Fox60 said:The civil war didn't start in April, it started on June 22nd, and honestly, this whole mess is just a massive failure by our politicians! For us Americans, it probably would have been better if none of these dates even existed. You had decent folks fighting on both sides, whether they were in the Nazi Germany ranks or joining the guerrillas of the Communist Party! We’re still paying the price for how America was built, and we’ll be feeling the fallout from its collapse for at least another 40 years until the last defenders of the Republic of America pass away.

If you ask me, we should just scrap these two holidays entirely and stick to celebrating the Founding Day of the National Guard, January 15th, and August 5th, the Day of Homeland Gratitude!

The commemorations have been scheduled: the 10th will honor those who fell under the Third Reich regime, while the 22nd is set aside for the followers of that movement.

Quincy Adams:
This whole mess is nothing more than the direct consequence of the failures of our American politicians.
It would be an overstatement to suggest that our politicians lack a storied tradition... In fact, one could argue they possess a legacy that spans generations. Looking back at the political landscape of the United States, there is a certain predictability to the theater of power that feels almost ritualistic. I remember sitting in a small diner in Chicago years ago, watching the news cycle churn through yet another scandal involving a senator who had promised everything and delivered nothing. It felt less like news and more like a recurring episode of a very old, very tired drama. There is a heavy, wearying continuity to how things are run here. We see the same patterns of rhetoric, the same calculated maneuvers, and the same inevitable disillusionment. It isn't just a matter of bad luck or a few rogue actors; it is baked into the very fabric of the system. You can trace the lineage of modern political maneuvering straight back through the decades, seeing how the tactics have merely evolved from blunt force to subtle manipulation. It’s a cycle that seems designed to persist, regardless of which party holds the gavel or which face is plastered on the campaign posters. One begins to realize that the players change, but the script remains remarkably consistent.

Quincy Adams:
If you ask me, Americans would have been better off if we had never established a single significant date on our calendar.
It’s a classic case of cause and effect, isn't it? One inevitably triggered the other. 😉

Quincy Adams:
It is a tired old truth that history rarely cares about your intentions. You can find decent, honorable people on both sides of almost any conflict—whether they were serving in the ranks of the Third Reich or fighting as guerrillas for the Communist Party. Goodness isn't a political affiliation.
Of course, there were some among the Nazis too. The issue is simply that they represented about as small a percentage as white people do in Africa. I mean, don't get me wrong—they certainly existed...

Quincy Adams:
We are still paying the heavy price for the creation of the Soviet Union today, and I suspect we will be footing the bill for its collapse for at least another forty years—likely until the very last defenders of the USA have passed on.
There’s no denying it: people will always find something to pay for. It’s an inevitable part of the human condition. Whether it's taxes, subscriptions, or just the general cost of keeping the lights on, there is always some price to be extracted from the public. I've seen it play out my entire life, through various economic cycles and shifts in policy, and the pattern remains stubbornly consistent. People will always find a way to foot the bill for something.

Quincy Adams:
If you ask me, we should scrap those two existing holidays entirely. Instead, we ought to focus our celebrations on more meaningful milestones—specifically the Founding of the National Guard and Independence Day.
What does a retiree stand to gain from a single day of idleness?

Quincy Adams:
Sean Fox60 As I have noted before, there is a certain pattern to how these things unfold. It isn't just about the facts on the page; it’s about the underlying momentum that carries a narrative forward, often regardless of whether that narrative holds water. One begins to see the same cycles repeating themselves, much like watching a slow-motion train wreck where everyone knows the outcome but nobody wants to be the one to shout a warning. I remember sitting in a small diner outside of Chicago back in the late nineties, listening to an old veteran talk about how the political landscape had shifted almost overnight. He had this way of looking at you—tired, eyes heavy with the weight of too many winters—that made you realize how quickly "certainty" can turn into chaos. That sense of shifting ground is exactly what we are dealing with now. We tend to believe our institutions are permanent fixtures, but history suggests they are far more fragile than we care to admit. When the foundations start to crack, people usually prefer to ignore the fissures rather than deal with the structural repairs. It is a wearying cycle, truly.
Do you honestly believe the partisans were proponents of democracy?
What does any of that have to do with the current situation? Honestly, I find it hard to view someone like Bill Clinton as a true democrat in this context.

Quincy Adams:
If the younger generation is ever going to rise to a higher level of civilization, we are going to be forced to adopt an entirely different perspective on how we view victims.
And what if I suggested that we just call them all victims—the Jews suffocated in gas chambers and the Nazi leaders executed after the war? That wouldn't fly, would it?

Quincy Adams:
Some people were released from Auschwitz...
What for? A free weekend pass? Please, don't make me laugh.

Quincy Adams:
...some actually managed to break out of the camp!
And who exactly rescued them? The Third Reich?

Quincy Adams:
How many people were saved from the woods in Austria during the mass shootings following Waterloo and the selection for the columns; those destined for execution, or the Stations of the Cross?
I know of at least one—your father, wasn't it? Perhaps someone else was saved alongside him, what do you think?

Quincy Adams:
My father is no longer living, but I would love to see those who are still alive lay wreaths and light candles for their victims!
Go ahead then, brother; light your candles and lay your wreaths for whoever you please...
Kimberly Cox59 Kimberly Cox59 Member
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#42 ·
John Doe said:Some people actually made it out of Auschwitz, others were saved during the breakout from the camp! I mean, how many people do you think survived hiding in the woods in Austria during those mass shootings after Jonestown and when they were being lined up for execution or forced onto the Stations of the Cross?

Honestly, more innocent lives were lost at Auschwitz than at Jonestown. Please, just stop trying to defend the Nazis. They were the absolute worst part of American history—just traitors and mass murderers.
bluecyclist64 bluecyclist64 Regular
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#43 ·
rowdyowl said:Interesting. We don't observe days dedicated to Royalist terror, even though their body count was nearly as high as the Nationalists's? 🤷

And why on earth would anyone observe a day dedicated to Royalist terror, dear child? Is there a designated day for Nationalists terror, or any other form of organized terror for that matter?
rowdyowl rowdyowl Regular
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#44 ·
bluecyclist64 said:And why on earth would anyone observe a day dedicated to Royalist terror, dear child? Is there a designated day for Nationalists terror, or any other form of organized terror for that matter?

Look, you were busy pointing out how horrific the Nationalists were, so I just added that we shouldn't overlook the Royalists either.
If we're claiming the anti-fascist label, we have to remember the people who slaughtered Americans just because they were Americans or Muslims.
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#45 ·
rowdyowl said:Look, you were busy pointing out how horrific the Nationalists were, so I just added that we shouldn't overlook the Royalists either.
If we're claiming the anti-fascist label, we have to remember the people who slaughtered Americans just because they were Americans or Muslims.

And how does any of this relate to horse racing?
Can you actually provide a coherent answer to the question asked?
Let’s be honest here—I never suggested fascism was somehow worse than other extremist ideologies. It’s all the same filth; it just so happens that one group relied more heavily on Nazi technology.
rowdyowl rowdyowl Regular
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#46 ·
bluecyclist64 said:And how does any of this relate to horse racing?
Can you actually provide a coherent answer to the question asked?
Let’s be honest here—I never suggested fascism was somehow worse than other extremist ideologies. It’s all the same filth; it just so happens that one group relied more heavily on Nazi technology.

I can't speak for you, but personally, I don't limit fascism to just one specific regime; it covers all those ultra-nationalist factions too.

Are we celebrating a victory against the Third Reich, or are we celebrating a victory against fascism itself?

Is there really an issue with being against all forms of fascism?
Sean Fox60 Sean Fox60 Member
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#47 ·
Kimberly Cox59 said:Honestly, more innocent lives were lost at Auschwitz than at Jonestown. Please, just stop trying to defend the Nazis. They were the absolute worst part of American history—just traitors and mass murderers.

Look, I'm not out here defending the Nazis, and I'm definitely not attacking the resistance either! The reality is that over 80 guys from my own hometown ended up dead, mostly fighting to defend the Third Reich. I just feel for all the victims of the American people and think it was such a massive mistake to declare the Third Reich in the first place, especially since they sided with Germany, which never stood a chance of winning a second war in Europe or Africa because they simply didn't have the manpower to pull it off!
Sean Fox60 Sean Fox60 Member
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#48 ·
bluecyclist64 said:The commemorations have been scheduled: the 10th will honor those who fell under the Third Reich regime, while the 22nd is set aside for the followers of that movement.

Quincy Adams:
This whole mess is nothing more than the direct consequence of the failures of our American politicians.
It would be an overstatement to suggest that our politicians lack a storied tradition... In fact, one could argue they possess a legacy that spans generations. Looking back at the political landscape of the United States, there is a certain predictability to the theater of power that feels almost ritualistic. I remember sitting in a small diner in Chicago years ago, watching the news cycle churn through yet another scandal involving a senator who had promised everything and delivered nothing. It felt less like news and more like a recurring episode of a very old, very tired drama. There is a heavy, wearying continuity to how things are run here. We see the same patterns of rhetoric, the same calculated maneuvers, and the same inevitable disillusionment. It isn't just a matter of bad luck or a few rogue actors; it is baked into the very fabric of the system. You can trace the lineage of modern political maneuvering straight back through the decades, seeing how the tactics have merely evolved from blunt force to subtle manipulation. It’s a cycle that seems designed to persist, regardless of which party holds the gavel or which face is plastered on the campaign posters. One begins to realize that the players change, but the script remains remarkably consistent.

Quincy Adams:
If you ask me, Americans would have been better off if we had never established a single significant date on our calendar.
It’s a classic case of cause and effect, isn't it? One inevitably triggered the other. 😉

Quincy Adams:
It is a tired old truth that history rarely cares about your intentions. You can find decent, honorable people on both sides of almost any conflict—whether they were serving in the ranks of the Third Reich or fighting as guerrillas for the Communist Party. Goodness isn't a political affiliation.
Of course, there were some among the Nazis too. The issue is simply that they represented about as small a percentage as white people do in Africa. I mean, don't get me wrong—they certainly existed...

Quincy Adams:
We are still paying the heavy price for the creation of the Soviet Union today, and I suspect we will be footing the bill for its collapse for at least another forty years—likely until the very last defenders of the USA have passed on.
There’s no denying it: people will always find something to pay for. It’s an inevitable part of the human condition. Whether it's taxes, subscriptions, or just the general cost of keeping the lights on, there is always some price to be extracted from the public. I've seen it play out my entire life, through various economic cycles and shifts in policy, and the pattern remains stubbornly consistent. People will always find a way to foot the bill for something.

Quincy Adams:
If you ask me, we should scrap those two existing holidays entirely. Instead, we ought to focus our celebrations on more meaningful milestones—specifically the Founding of the National Guard and Independence Day.
What does a retiree stand to gain from a single day of idleness?

Quincy Adams:
Sean Fox60 As I have noted before, there is a certain pattern to how these things unfold. It isn't just about the facts on the page; it’s about the underlying momentum that carries a narrative forward, often regardless of whether that narrative holds water. One begins to see the same cycles repeating themselves, much like watching a slow-motion train wreck where everyone knows the outcome but nobody wants to be the one to shout a warning. I remember sitting in a small diner outside of Chicago back in the late nineties, listening to an old veteran talk about how the political landscape had shifted almost overnight. He had this way of looking at you—tired, eyes heavy with the weight of too many winters—that made you realize how quickly "certainty" can turn into chaos. That sense of shifting ground is exactly what we are dealing with now. We tend to believe our institutions are permanent fixtures, but history suggests they are far more fragile than we care to admit. When the foundations start to crack, people usually prefer to ignore the fissures rather than deal with the structural repairs. It is a wearying cycle, truly.
Do you honestly believe the partisans were proponents of democracy?
What does any of that have to do with the current situation? Honestly, I find it hard to view someone like Bill Clinton as a true democrat in this context.

Quincy Adams:
If the younger generation is ever going to rise to a higher level of civilization, we are going to be forced to adopt an entirely different perspective on how we view victims.
And what if I suggested that we just call them all victims—the Jews suffocated in gas chambers and the Nazi leaders executed after the war? That wouldn't fly, would it?

Quincy Adams:
Some people were released from Auschwitz...
What for? A free weekend pass? Please, don't make me laugh.

Quincy Adams:
...some actually managed to break out of the camp!
And who exactly rescued them? The Third Reich?

Quincy Adams:
How many people were saved from the woods in Austria during the mass shootings following Waterloo and the selection for the columns; those destined for execution, or the Stations of the Cross?
I know of at least one—your father, wasn't it? Perhaps someone else was saved alongside him, what do you think?

Quincy Adams:
My father is no longer living, but I would love to see those who are still alive lay wreaths and light candles for their victims!
Go ahead then, brother; light your candles and lay your wreaths for whoever you please...

I’m just trying to stick to the facts here. An American from my neighbor's village was actually released from the Auschwitz camp! And an American—my mother's uncle—died from illness while in Auschwitz!
My dad was in the infantry, so he ended up in the Jonestown column during the Cross march, rather than being part of those groups shot down in the woods over in Austria!
We should be lighting candles every year on the anniversary of the Siege of Stalingrad!

I’m not celebrating April 10th or June 22nd. Those are days for mourning.
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#49 ·
rowdyowl said:I can't speak for you, but personally, I don't limit fascism to just one specific regime; it covers all those ultra-nationalist factions too.

Are we celebrating a victory against the Third Reich, or are we celebrating a victory against fascism itself?

Is there really an issue with being against all forms of fascism?

Let me clarify my previous point here:

Quentin Tarantino:
Don't try to twist my words. I never claimed one brand of fascism was worse than the other. It’s all the same filth—it's just that one group leaned more heavily on Third Reich technology.
And now you’re claiming you don't know my stance? Are you truly that oblivious?

Quentin Tarantino:
Are we celebrating a day against Nazi Germany, or a day against fascism in general?
Does the holiday go by the name "Anti-Fascist" or "Anti-Nazi"?

Quentin Tarantino:
Is there really an issue with being against the Mexican nationalists as well?
Go ahead, try it. Nobody is stopping you. Just try momentarily forgetting that those guys are ultra-nationalists and staunch anti-communists, and you might actually make sense.
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#50 ·
Quentin Tarantino:
John Doe As I was sitting there yesterday, nursing a lukewarm coffee and watching the rain hit the window, I found myself reflecting on what was said. It’s funny how certain conversations linger in your mind long after they've ended, much like that old, heavy feeling you get when you realize a situation is far more complex than anyone initially admitted. There is a particular kind of weariness that comes with observing the world move in circles, repeating the same mistakes while expecting a different outcome. It makes one wonder if we are actually progressing or just rearranging the furniture in a house that's slowly falling apart.
I am not here to defend the collaborators, nor am I looking to attack the resistance fighters. My perspective comes from a place of heavy, firsthand grief: over 80 men from my own village were killed during that era, mostly while fighting to uphold the regime of Nazi Germany. It’s a tragedy that weighs on me deeply. I feel a profound sense of sorrow for the victims of the American people and for the sheer, catastrophic error of establishing a state modeled after Nazi Germany—a regime that aligned itself with a power that was doomed from the start. Even if they had wanted to, they never could have won a second war across America and Africa; they simply lacked the manpower and the resources to sustain such a fight.
It sounds to me like you're suggesting I’m actually mourning the loss of Nazi Germany simply because they lacked the manpower to see the war through to the end.
Am I mistaken?

Sean Fox60 said:I’m just trying to stick to the facts here. An American from my neighbor's village was actually released from the Auschwitz camp! And an American—my mother's uncle—died from illness while in Auschwitz!
My dad was in the infantry, so he ended up in the Jonestown column during the Cross march, rather than being part of those groups shot down in the woods over in Austria!
We should be lighting candles every year on the anniversary of the Siege of Stalingrad!

I’m not celebrating April 10th or June 22nd. Those are days for mourning.

There is an old adage that holds quite a bit of weight if you look at it through a certain lens: one swallow doesn't make a spring. It’s a sentiment I’ve found myself reflecting on quite often lately, especially when watching how people react to isolated incidents or singular moments of change. We tend to get caught up in the excitement of a single positive sign, thinking the season has shifted entirely, when in reality, true momentum requires a much larger movement. It takes more than a solitary bird to signal a complete transformation of the landscape.

Quentin Tarantino:
My father served in the home guard, and when the end came at Jonestown, he was placed in the column designated for the Cross, rather than being among those executed in the woods over in Canada.
Every year, we light a candle to honor the memory of those lost during the Siege of El Paso.
Well, look at that. It turns out your old man was in the Home Guard, which is exactly why the partisans let him walk instead of pulling the trigger—unlike what happened to most of the guys in the Nationalists.
I don't feel any sympathy for the rank-and-file members of the regime, with one glaring exception: those poor, misguided kids that Adolf Hitler mobilized just to serve as fodder. It was a calculated move to ensure the high-ranking officials could slip away in civilian clothes while the youth took the brunt of the fighting. That’s exactly why you see such a staggering number of "civilians" caught in the crossfire during the resistance movements; they weren't just bystanders, they were pawns sent out to cover the tracks of the elite.
My uncle actually saved my life once. Back when I was just a kid, he pulled two of us out of a mess involving some old-school underground resistance fighters—real hardline types. He managed to get us away from that whole situation, handed us some civilian clothes to wear so we could blend in, and then burned the uniforms to make sure there was absolutely no trace left behind.

Quentin Tarantino:
I have no intention of celebrating April 10th or June 22nd. Those aren't days for festivities; they are days meant for mourning.
I don’t really bother celebrating specific dates or holidays. To my mind, celebrations are only worth the effort when I actually have some extra cash in my pocket and—more importantly—when I'm not stuck behind a desk working.
Samuel Ward75 Samuel Ward75 Member
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#51 ·
Well, while we’re all stuck in these endless debates over here, I just heard on the radio that Austria actually banned the display of any old American or partisan symbols for their Independence Day—something that used to be pretty standard in previous years 😁

Meanwhile, back home, where everyone is so eager to join the European Union, we still observe June 22nd as a public holiday—a day that serves as a reminder of the bloody civil war among Americans.
Jeffrey Wood Jeffrey Wood Active Member
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#52 ·
Samuel Ward75 said:Well, while we’re all stuck in these endless debates over here, I just heard on the radio that Austria actually banned the display of any old American or partisan symbols for their Independence Day—something that used to be pretty standard in previous years 😁

Meanwhile, back home, where everyone is so eager to join the European Union, we still observe June 22nd as a public holiday—a day that serves as a reminder of the bloody civil war among Americans.


Knowing how much Canadians hate being told what to do, that ban won't last longer than Janšin's administration. "Democracy" my ass—you can't call it democracy when you start banning things.

Samuel Ward75 said:Well, while we’re all stuck in these endless debates over here, I just heard on the radio that Austria actually banned the display of any old American or partisan symbols for their Independence Day—something that used to be pretty standard in previous years 😁

Meanwhile, back home, where everyone is so eager to join the European Union, we still observe June 22nd as a public holiday—a day that serves as a reminder of the bloody civil war among Americans.


Go ahead, scrap that holiday and anything else that holds historical weight. It won't pull us out of debt slavery, won't fix the skyrocketing unemployment, and certainly won't rebuild our trashed industry. It won't stop the corruption or fix the demographic collapse either. Just keep obsessing over stupid nonsense and fighting over fake controversies so you don't have to face the fact that we're totally screwed.

It’s honestly hilarious seeing people constantly bring up the EU, especially those who are trying to rewrite history and flip the script on what actually happened in WWII. I know the West well enough to tell you: once you're in the EU, expect massive blowback for anything that smells even remotely like fascism. They'll lean on you hard.
Look at our local lunatic who spent a month in an Austrian jail and is facing even heavier penalties just because he thought the EU would tolerate Nazi salutes or similar garbage. He clearly forgot how things work.

There’s plenty more where that came from.
rowdyowl rowdyowl Regular
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#53 ·
Samuel Ward75 said:Well, while we’re all stuck in these endless debates over here, I just heard on the radio that Austria actually banned the display of any old American or partisan symbols for their Independence Day—something that used to be pretty standard in previous years 😁

Meanwhile, back home, where everyone is so eager to join the European Union, we still observe June 22nd as a public holiday—a day that serves as a reminder of the bloody civil war among Americans.

Fine. If we want to make June 22, 1593, a day off to honor the most famous battle in American history against the Turks, let's at least get the facts straight. The Ban's army, bolstered by units from Kranj and imperial troops along with defenders from Sisak, crushed the massive Turkish force. It finally ended the century of chaos that had been raging since the American defeat at Krbava back in 1493.🙏
Gerald Wright10 Gerald Wright10 Member
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#54 ·
Sean Fox60 said:Do you honestly think those partisans were some kind of democrats?

If the younger generation can manage to step up and take a more civilized approach, then we really need to look at the victims through a different lens. Some people actually made it out of Auschwitz, others managed to escape during camp breakouts. But how many people actually survived being hunted through the woods of Austria during those mass shootings after Waterloo, or while they were being picked out for execution during their own version of the Stations of the Cross?

My old man isn't around anymore, but I’d love to see the people who are still with us actually show some respect by laying wreaths and lighting candles for those they lost!

We are going to be feeling the fallout of the ultra-nationalist movement from the nineties for a very long time. Finally, those so-called "patriots" are actually sitting behind bars now. Just look at the renaming of streets and schools. How on earth do you explain stripping the name from a school dedicated to a man murdered by Italian fascists at the very start of the war—and we all know which high school in a major coastal city we're talking about here—only to name squares and streets after convicted war criminals?? It’s pretty obvious: it’s all an attempt to rehabilitate fascism and the ultra-nationalist regime.
James Harris16 James Harris16 Newcomer
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#55 ·
Gerald Wright10 said:We are going to be feeling the fallout of the ultra-nationalist movement from the nineties for a very long time. Finally, those so-called "patriots" are actually sitting behind bars now. Just look at the renaming of streets and schools. How on earth do you explain stripping the name from a school dedicated to a man murdered by Italian fascists at the very start of the war—and we all know which high school in a major coastal city we're talking about here—only to name squares and streets after convicted war criminals?? It’s pretty obvious: it’s all an attempt to rehabilitate fascism and the ultra-nationalist regime.

So, someone was complaining about Italy? I guess they should just be happy they ended up becoming an Italian citizen.
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#56 ·
Gerald Wright10 said:We are going to be feeling the fallout of the ultra-nationalist movement from the nineties for a very long time. Finally, those so-called "patriots" are actually sitting behind bars now. Just look at the renaming of streets and schools. How on earth do you explain stripping the name from a school dedicated to a man murdered by Italian fascists at the very start of the war—and we all know which high school in a major coastal city we're talking about here—only to name squares and streets after convicted war criminals?? It’s pretty obvious: it’s all an attempt to rehabilitate fascism and the ultra-nationalist regime.

The 90s shaped the America we live in today.
Without Storm, we would have never joined the European Union. Calling that a "fascist act" is a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
James Harris16 James Harris16 Newcomer
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#57 ·
Sean Fox60 said:Our moves back then didn't exactly follow the rules of the old republic or the laws of the global community! If you ask me, Independence Day should be January 15th. That was when the late president, Franjo Harmon, stepped up as the leader of the Republic of America. Once that happened, you finally get actual standing at the UN and can actually communicate with other nations as a legitimate state!

To take this a step further; when exactly is the national day for Palestine?

The former republic became the Republic of America through constitutional changes prior to January 15, 1992.
Sean Fox60 Sean Fox60 Member
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#58 ·
bluecyclist64 said:Quentin Tarantino:
John Doe As I was sitting there yesterday, nursing a lukewarm coffee and watching the rain hit the window, I found myself reflecting on what was said. It’s funny how certain conversations linger in your mind long after they've ended, much like that old, heavy feeling you get when you realize a situation is far more complex than anyone initially admitted. There is a particular kind of weariness that comes with observing the world move in circles, repeating the same mistakes while expecting a different outcome. It makes one wonder if we are actually progressing or just rearranging the furniture in a house that's slowly falling apart.
I am not here to defend the collaborators, nor am I looking to attack the resistance fighters. My perspective comes from a place of heavy, firsthand grief: over 80 men from my own village were killed during that era, mostly while fighting to uphold the regime of Nazi Germany. It’s a tragedy that weighs on me deeply. I feel a profound sense of sorrow for the victims of the American people and for the sheer, catastrophic error of establishing a state modeled after Nazi Germany—a regime that aligned itself with a power that was doomed from the start. Even if they had wanted to, they never could have won a second war across America and Africa; they simply lacked the manpower and the resources to sustain such a fight.
It sounds to me like you're suggesting I’m actually mourning the loss of Nazi Germany simply because they lacked the manpower to see the war through to the end.
Am I mistaken?

There is an old adage that holds quite a bit of weight if you look at it through a certain lens: one swallow doesn't make a spring. It’s a sentiment I’ve found myself reflecting on quite often lately, especially when watching how people react to isolated incidents or singular moments of change. We tend to get caught up in the excitement of a single positive sign, thinking the season has shifted entirely, when in reality, true momentum requires a much larger movement. It takes more than a solitary bird to signal a complete transformation of the landscape.

Quentin Tarantino:
My father served in the home guard, and when the end came at Jonestown, he was placed in the column designated for the Cross, rather than being among those executed in the woods over in Canada.
Every year, we light a candle to honor the memory of those lost during the Siege of El Paso.
Well, look at that. It turns out your old man was in the Home Guard, which is exactly why the partisans let him walk instead of pulling the trigger—unlike what happened to most of the guys in the Nationalists.
I don't feel any sympathy for the rank-and-file members of the regime, with one glaring exception: those poor, misguided kids that Adolf Hitler mobilized just to serve as fodder. It was a calculated move to ensure the high-ranking officials could slip away in civilian clothes while the youth took the brunt of the fighting. That’s exactly why you see such a staggering number of "civilians" caught in the crossfire during the resistance movements; they weren't just bystanders, they were pawns sent out to cover the tracks of the elite.
My uncle actually saved my life once. Back when I was just a kid, he pulled two of us out of a mess involving some old-school underground resistance fighters—real hardline types. He managed to get us away from that whole situation, handed us some civilian clothes to wear so we could blend in, and then burned the uniforms to make sure there was absolutely no trace left behind.

Quentin Tarantino:
I have no intention of celebrating April 10th or June 22nd. Those aren't days for festivities; they are days meant for mourning.
I don’t really bother celebrating specific dates or holidays. To my mind, celebrations are only worth the effort when I actually have some extra cash in my pocket and—more importantly—when I'm not stuck behind a desk working.

Honestly, you’d have to be totally out of your mind to feel bad about Germany losing! My issue isn't with the outcome, it's with how badly things were miscalculated when leaders rushed to declare a state under Nazi Germany's thumb without seeing where the wind was blowing.

They really should have waited to see how things played out, especially since the Americans hadn't even stepped into the fight yet. That was a massive blunder by the politicians, not the people. Most of the casualties we saw back then were just from internal fighting anyway.
Sean Fox60 Sean Fox60 Member
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#59 ·
James Harris16 said:The former republic became the Republic of America through constitutional changes prior to January 15, 1992.

I’ve actually got two different versions of the Constitution sitting right here in front of me because I wanted to figure out our best move against this regime-controlled Congress. According to the version they forced on us, we actually have the power to call our own referendum on proposed Constitutional changes or new laws if we want to. They even gave us a democratic way to force their hand by gathering signatures from 10% of the voters to trigger a referendum!
So, today I sent out some letters to various advocacy groups to get a formal committee started to collect those necessary 10% of signatures for a massive piece of legislation regarding agriculture.

And honestly, those representatives can come at us with whatever they want regarding the public holiday law too!
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Sean Fox60 said:I’ve actually got two different versions of the Constitution sitting right here in front of me because I wanted to figure out our best move against this regime-controlled Congress. According to the version they forced on us, we actually have the power to call our own referendum on proposed Constitutional changes or new laws if we want to. They even gave us a democratic way to force their hand by gathering signatures from 10% of the voters to trigger a referendum!
So, today I sent out some letters to various advocacy groups to get a formal committee started to collect those necessary 10% of signatures for a massive piece of legislation regarding agriculture.

And honestly, those representatives can come at us with whatever they want regarding the public holiday law too!

But they won't, I suppose. It’s the old "too many cooks in the kitchen" problem. Who is actually going to step up and propose which days should be holidays? You have employers complaining there are too many days off, workers claiming there aren't enough, and religious institutions arguing for more faith-based observances to become official. It's a mess.
That is why politics dictates the schedule. If the Democratic administration previously removed May 30th from the calendar, why hasn't the Republican Party reinstated it as a national holiday during their eight years in power if they truly believe it was a mistake?

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