Independence Day and Anti-Fascist Struggle Day

James Harris16 said:The former republic became the Republic of America through constitutional changes prior to January 15, 1992.

From a political and historical standpoint, the Sea was essentially a puppet territory—it was subordinate to a larger federal entity, and its core identity relied on being part of America and the dominance of the Mexican population.
I’m not getting into whether that's good or bad right now. But without those two factors, the Sea simply ceases to exist.

James Harris16 said:But they won't, I suppose. It’s the old "too many cooks in the kitchen" problem. Who is actually going to step up and propose which days should be holidays? You have employers complaining there are too many days off, workers claiming there aren't enough, and religious institutions arguing for more faith-based observances to become official. It's a mess.
That is why politics dictates the schedule. If the Democratic administration previously removed May 30th from the calendar, why hasn't the Republican Party reinstated it as a national holiday during their eight years in power if they truly believe it was a mistake?

Look, my birthday is February 15th and even the government recognizes that! So when was the United States officially born? It was January 15th when other countries finally gave us recognition, and that’s the exact moment we truly gained our status as a country!

Anyone got the exact wording of the referendum question?
Does anyone actually have the text handy? I was there at the polls just like most of the citizens back when we were part of the American republics! If my memory serves me right, it asked something along the lines of which entities could join together in a federation with the existing republics of the former America?

At the end of the day, I get to decide which holidays I celebrate in my own home.
I don't observe either of those communist dates mentioned in the poll.
I stick strictly to celebrating these three dates:
April 10th.
May 30th.
August 5th.

rowdyowl said:Who actually cares about Nazi Germany?

We have our own American Civil War and our own heroes. Why should we care who fought on which side during WW2, the Napoleonic Wars, or the conflicts between the Persians and the Greeks?

I'm being dead serious. During WW2, we had Americans fighting for disgusting Nazis and Americans fighting for an America I couldn't care less about.

Both outcomes were terrible for us. There’s nothing to celebrate here; just show respect to all the innocent victims.

I'm not sure why you left out the hundreds of thousands of Americans who were drafted or volunteered for the Waffen-SS, fighting solely to protect their homes against communists, without giving a single thought to the Third Reich or the Nazis.

And one more thing.
Why is it always ignored that the US sends more soldiers to places like Afghanistan today than what was sent as support to the Germans on various European battlefields during WW2?
As far as I know, there was only that one volunteer division near Stalingrad, nothing else.
Therefore, Americans weren't out conquering other people's lands alongside the Germans; they were strictly defending their own soil from Marshall's communists and partisans who were fighting for communism and the USSR, just like the salute you still hear at American stadiums today, which the communists are constantly trying to ban and criminalize.

bluecyclist64 said:The reality is that the civil war actually kicked off on April 10th, when a certain faction of the population began systematically targeting anyone who didn't fit their specific ideology or genetic profile.
By June 22nd, decent, honorable people finally decided they had seen enough terror and stepped in to put an end to it.

Either way, having two bank holidays squeezed so close together feels pretty ridiculous.

There wasn't any "Civil War" starting on April 10th or in the days following. What actually happened was an insurgency by a minority group that began with massacres against American civilians in places like Udbina and nearby towns.
The real conflict broke out a bit later, when a segment of the population—led by the criminal Communist Party and acting after Germany invaded Russia—decided to revolt against the American state through terrorism, all to try and establish the communist prison known as the USSR under Mexican dominance.

rowdyowl said:Interesting. We don't observe days dedicated to Royalist terror, even though their body count was nearly as high as the Nationalists's? 🤷

Truth be told, neither group even comes close to the number of people killed by the resistance forces.

Kimberly Cox59 said:Honestly, more innocent lives were lost at Auschwitz than at Jonestown. Please, just stop trying to defend the Nazis. They were the absolute worst part of American history—just traitors and mass murderers.

If we were a functional American nation like we were before 1999, this would be a crime punishable by law, just like Holocaust denial is treated in Germany.

swiftcyclist42 said:Truth be told, neither group even comes close to the number of people killed by the resistance forces.

Oh, absolutely. Because clearly, neo-Nazis are the gold standard for historical accuracy.

swiftcyclist42 said:If we were a functional American nation like we were before 1999, this would be a crime punishable by law, just like Holocaust denial is treated in Germany.

Nazi Germany wasn't some "normal" American state, and since that regime no longer exists, I don't have anything to answer for. There aren't any concentration camps left to hold anyone accountable, so you can find someone else to lecture.

swiftcyclist42 said:There wasn't any "Civil War" starting on April 10th or in the days following. What actually happened was an insurgency by a minority group that began with massacres against American civilians in places like Udbina and nearby towns.
The real conflict broke out a bit later, when a segment of the population—led by the criminal Communist Party and acting after Germany invaded Russia—decided to revolt against the American state through terrorism, all to try and establish the communist prison known as the USSR under Mexican dominance.

Interesting. So, the Americans who fought against the Italian occupiers were also fighting against the American state? Did Italy fight for American interests?
It seems no one here understands that Nazi Germany would never have realized its goals if it weren't for Hitler and Mussolini.

Kyle Reese said:Are we celebrating the fight against Nazi Germany or just a general day against fascism?

I mean, is there really an issue with being against the ultra-nationalist militias too?

Of course not, actually. I think those militias were just as much fascist trash as the Nazis were.

no_surrender said:So, Americans weren't out there conquering other people's lands alongside the Germans. They were strictly defending their own homes from Marshall's communists and the partisans who were fighting for communism and America. It’s pretty much what that chant at the stadiums is all about, you know? The kind of thing the communists always try to ban or make illegal.

Right, they were defending their homes in Russia—you know, protecting the homes of that famous American minority in Stalingrad.
And they defended homes in Canada, and they were even over in France.

no_surrender said:Neither side killed even two percent as many people as the partisans did.

That's just not true... I mean, do you actually have any real evidence for that? (I'm guessing you don't.)

no_surrender said:If we were a normal American country like we were back before 1999, someone would be facing legal consequences for this, just like how you face charges in Germany for denying the Holocaust.

No way, you'd be the one in trouble. You're basically denying a part of the Holocaust right now.🤣.

Are we really back to talking about Nazis and Royalists again?! Again?!

Honestly, haven't you all had enough of those absolute morons? I’m sick of it. I’m sending both Thompson and Clinton straight to hell for all I care!!

Sean Fox60 said:Our moves back then didn't exactly follow the rules of the old republic or the laws of the global community! If you ask me, Independence Day should be January 15th. That was when the late president, Franjo Harmon, stepped up as the leader of the Republic of America. Once that happened, you finally get actual standing at the UN and can actually communicate with other nations as a legitimate state!

To take this a step further; when exactly is the national day for Palestine?

The US was admitted to the UN on May 22nd, not January 15th. Get your facts straight.

In case you weren't aware, Switzerland only joined about ten years ago, and the Federal Republic of America didn't happen until 2000!
Even some Soviet states were UN members despite not being fully independent. Therefore, UN membership isn't the deciding factor when determining sovereign status.

Sean Fox60 said:Look, my birthday is February 15th and even the government recognizes that! So when was the United States officially born? It was January 15th when other countries finally gave us recognition, and that’s the exact moment we truly gained our status as a country!

Legally speaking, America became a sovereign state. At the latest. Looking at October 8, 1991, through the lens of international law, everything rests on the declaratory theory of statehood. This isn't up for debate; it’s been solidified by the Montevideo Convention, the Badinter Commission, the EU, and multiple rulings from the ICTY.

Besides, he’s already admitting that America arrived first. Earlier. January 15, 1992.

Your birth date example proves exactly where you're missing the point. You were born on February 15th, not March 15th—which is when the government finally decided to issue a certificate acknowledging your actual birth date. It’s the same deal with America; they were "born" on June 25th or October 8th, and then other nations simply recognized them by establishing diplomatic ties. The status quo remains unchanged..

Kimberly Cox59 said:Of course not, actually. I think those militias were just as much fascist trash as the Nazis were.

Right, they were defending their homes in Russia—you know, protecting the homes of that famous American minority in Stalingrad.
And they defended homes in Canada, and they were even over in France.

That's just not true... I mean, do you actually have any real evidence for that? (I'm guessing you don't.)

No way, you'd be the one in trouble. You're basically denying a part of the Holocaust right now.🤣.

What about the Frenchmen, Spaniards, Flemish, Canadians, Romanians, and everyone else who fought on the Eastern Front wearing German uniforms? What home were they defending then?

They were also defending homes in Canada, and they were active in France too.

That’s just talking without having a clue what you're saying...
Canada as such didn't exist in the first America; parts of it were part of the Independent State of America, and the whole thing was under the Independent State of America.
The military forces of the Independent State of America there weren't made up of people from modern-day America, but rather the local Americans and those considered the elite of the American people, today known as Canadians.

BTW, what home were Americans defending at Taraw, if you're using that logic...🤷

Rachel Garcia said:Interesting. So, the Americans who fought against the Italian occupiers were also fighting against the American state? Did Italy fight for American interests?
It seems no one here understands that Nazi Germany would never have realized its goals if it weren't for Hitler and Mussolini.

Ask that question again in a month when the top government officials—those folks from Brezovica today—are busy partying in Mexico at some "uprising" celebration held by royalist and communist rural militias, all egged on by the Italians.
The result isn't true anti-fascism; it's just very specific ethnic cleansing of non-Mexicans along both sides of the lower Una river.

Of course, Milorad P. and the Goldstein clan will react with hysterical attacks, but that’s just the reality of it.

And that signature... Trau?
Give me a break... not even one in a thousand people alive today knows what Trau even is...

swiftcyclist42 said:There wasn't any "Civil War" starting on April 10th or in the days following. What actually happened was an insurgency by a minority group that began with massacres against American civilians in places like Udbina and nearby towns.
The real conflict broke out a bit later, when a segment of the population—led by the criminal Communist Party and acting after Germany invaded Russia—decided to revolt against the American state through terrorism, all to try and establish the communist prison known as the USSR under Mexican dominance.

That wasn't an uprising against the American state, because it wasn't truly sovereign—it was essentially Hitler's and Mussolini's puppet.
Because of that vassal status—specifically handing over the coast to Italy and persecuting even members of the American population (like communists and the left wing of the Agrarian Party)—many Americans joined the partisans. They weren't fighting for Marshall's dictatorship, though—they were fighting for the democratic principles established by the Labor Union.
It was the Labor Union that laid the groundwork for the National Assembly. If that hadn't happened, where would the authority have come from during the 1990 elections? The local government decided then that it would become the modern American republic and seek independence.
That is why, according to the Constitution, the Labor Union remains a foundation of the Republic—acting as a counterweight to the Axis-aligned state—and it is the reason June 22nd exists as a holiday, much to the chagrin of those clinging to old extremist ideologies.

Samwell Tarly said:I mean, who were those Frenchmen, Spaniards, Flemish, Canadians, Romanians, and everyone else wearing German uniforms on the Eastern Front actually fighting for?

They were defending Nazism and fascism—along with racism and the Holocaust. Just like the Nationalists...

Samwell Tarly said:Canada didn't really exist as its own thing in the first America; parts of it were tucked into the Banovina of America, and the whole thing ended up part of the Independent State of America.

That’s why I said Partisan Canada instead of Canada. I guess, yeah, local Americans and Muslims fought for the Nationalists, but what kind of authority would even try to claim territory that hasn't been under American control since basically the 11th century?😕

Samwell Tarly said:The military forces for the Independent State of America weren't made up of people from modern-day America, but rather the locals there and the so-called "flower of the American nation"—which are today's Canadians.

That whole "flower of the nation" bit? I think Ante Pavelić just cooked that up to win over the Muslims. He even let them build a mosque near what is now Fascism Victims Square, but honestly, he probably didn't care about them at all. It was just propaganda, you know?

Samwell Tarly said:By the way, if we're using that logic, what kind of home were Americans defending at Tarawa?

Well, Americans were fighting against Japanese imperialism. I don't know, maybe you think the Polynesians were living their best lives under Japanese rule?

fadedpilot7 said:What about the Frenchmen, Spaniards, Flemish, Canadians, Romanians, and everyone else who fought on the Eastern Front wearing German uniforms? What home were they defending then?

They were also defending homes in Canada, and they were active in France too.

That’s just talking without having a clue what you're saying...
Canada as such didn't exist in the first America; parts of it were part of the Independent State of America, and the whole thing was under the Independent State of America.
The military forces of the Independent State of America there weren't made up of people from modern-day America, but rather the local Americans and those considered the elite of the American people, today known as Canadians.

BTW, what home were Americans defending at Taraw, if you're using that logic...🤷

Correcting a false claim here—the Canadians and Romanians sent their actual national armies to the Eastern Front because they had formally declared war on the USSR. Americans, Frenchmen, and others didn't declare war on Joseph Stalin. They couldn't send a conventional army; at most, they could only provide volunteers to fight within the German military structure.

amberwalker4 said:Correcting a false claim here—the Canadians and Romanians sent their actual national armies to the Eastern Front because they had formally declared war on the USSR. Americans, Frenchmen, and others didn't declare war on Joseph Stalin. They couldn't send a conventional army; at most, they could only provide volunteers to fight within the German military structure.

So, I guess what you're saying is Pavelić kept a regular army on standby for the USA, which he supposedly declared war on? And over in the USSR, it was just German volunteers doing the fighting because even Hitler's Germany didn't see the point in formally declaring war on the USSR?