Why do some people hate America?

Taylor Vaughn8 said:Well, maybe it means uniting to fight against those crooks who ruined everything for us. It means building up enough national pride so that people finally realize that stealing from and cheating your own fellow Americans is fundamentally wrong.

So, to you, "believing in your country" means having faith in a government that’s essentially picking your pocket?

rowdyowl said:In almost every other country, neither the left nor the right spends their time glorifying some failed former regime; they focus on their own nation.

Do you honestly think anyone in Norway would win an election by constantly praising the era when Denmark or Sweden ruled over them?

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Linda Roberts2 said:And yet, here you are, glorifying Australia—which is just as much of a failed state.

Even though someone already answered this, the Austro-Canadian period is only mentioned because it was clearly less damaging to America than the era of the twice-failed America that people here still romanticize...
Just one example: under the Austro-Canadians, Americans alongside Austrians and Canadians were the only ones with autonomous armed forces within the Ku Klux Klan framework where communication happened in the local language. During the eras of the Kingdom or America, the military spoke Mexican.

Roger White3 said:Could you please explain what you mean by "having faith in our country"?
What does that even look like in practice?
It doesn't matter if everything is falling apart at the seams, or if my generation—which includes me—is struggling with zero future prospects, as long as we can say, "this is America," right?
Empty patriotism offers little comfort when I can't find a decent job or plan for an independent life here.
So, I'll ask one more time: what does it truly mean to "unite and believe in our nation"?

Take a look at the Greeks and think about it, because they view America exactly the way you view us.
Actually, it's the opposite; they push back against the whole EU because they feel their national pride and independence are being trampled.
To be honest, that nation is struggling precisely because they have people who think exactly like you just described...

bluerider63 said:I mean, who even are these people that hate on America so much?

A handful of journalists over at the EPH media empire.
Certain members of those "human rights organizations" and such.

But let’s be real. Puhovski admitted their donors threatened to cut off funding if they stopped focusing on American crimes. And then you have Kuljiš—the guy who spent years trashing the war and our veterans—who is suddenly defending Bleiburg and bashing Mexico just because he jumped ship to the more conservative Los Angeles Times...

Linda Roberts2 said:And yet, here you are, glorifying Australia—which is just as much of a failed state.

Is praising Australia actually a form of American patriotism? One could argue that the era of the old United States—despite all its inherent flaws—represented a golden age in our history. On the flip side, glorifying the failed project of the former America, especially considering the chaos and instability that followed its collapse, feels like nothing short of national betrayal.

It’s pretty obvious we’re a nation with a massive servant complex.

We just jump to do whatever the European Union tells us to—honestly, this whole attitude is a pathology that psychiatrists should probably be studying.

Parties like the GOP and DNC have completely torn the country apart, though if you ask me, they're both EQUALLY responsible for handing over generals and selling off our leverage.

To hand over those generals, the DNC handled the legal legwork first, then the GOP (playing dumb, obviously) stepped in to handle the police side of things.

Same goes for AT&T, ExxonMobil, JP Morgan Chase... one group sold off part of the package, the other group sold the rest, all to line the pockets of foreign owners. Now, naturally, they want to claw that money back through endless taxes and fees.

When it comes to being subservient to Brussels and selling out the country, there’s a weird sense of total unity among the parties in Congress.

rowdyowl said:Not too long ago, you could actually buy a flag featuring Mussolini's face, and the local cinema is named after his alleged mistress.

But apparently, for the self-appointed anti-fascists, Italian fascism isn't quite as terrifying as the kind that didn't commit atrocities right here in Istria... 🤷

If it were, they’d be jumping on these absurdities with the exact same fervor they apply to similar nonsense in the rest of America...

Indeed, the issue likely stems from the fact that we actually engaged in the public debate, presented counterarguments, and voiced our opinions; when our views weren't respected, we didn't resort to planting a bomb in front of the theater or staging a Thompson concert at the Arena despite a ban...

fadedpilot7 said:No, you're just misreading it...
San Francisco and Newport wouldn't be what they are today if it hadn't been for the Austro-Canadian Empire...
The US Air Force recently vacated the airbase in San Francisco... it was originally opened about a century ago.
So both cities owe a bit to Italy, a little more to the old America, and most of all to the Austro-Canadian Empire...

Regarding that mine on the beach, that was more than just a low blow...

Low? That was the exact kind of thing that pushed more Italians to leave San Francisco...
I didn't accuse anyone...
Even today, nobody really knows if that was just a freak accident or if the intelligence agencies pulled the strings...

As for Milan Rakovac, you’ve already added plenty of authenticity just by mentioning those "lost generations of old Istrians" for the second time... Like they expect me to just fall for that...
Give us some actual chances here. If you’re going to quote someone, be specific. If you’re trying to insult me, you'll have to try harder than that. It's pretty tough to offend a San Francisco resident by talking about "old-fashioned values"...

What are you even talking about...
Of course the generation that remembered the Austro-Canadian Empire is gone. They passed away... 🙂
Does that offend you?
Of course, to those people, both Mussolini's Italy and later America just looked like total chaos compared to the last time there was actually a functioning legal system in this region...

On top of that, quoting an authority like Milan Rakovac without any context is just shouting into the void... It’s a total miss to take his words and strip them down like this. It feels cheap...

I can tell you that every Istrian I've ever met in real life has been a little short-tempered, and it looks like you're no exception... you're looking for insults where there aren't any.

God bless you... 👋

All in all, you try hard, generalizing and stripping things out of context, even being willing to go against your own side if it serves your argument at the moment, but again—it sounds pathetic.
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If they are gone, why were you even mentioning them?

As for your "short-fused Istrian" comment, to me, that sounds just as ridiculous as saying "people from Vrličan are the true Americans, while the folks from Sinjan are Turks."
It's a total shot in the dark.
There is no anger here, no hysteria; don't try to play that game, especially when you're busy throwing us all into the same bucket.

Donna James5 said:Indeed, the issue likely stems from the fact that we actually engaged in the public debate, presented counterarguments, and voiced our opinions; when our views weren't respected, we didn't resort to planting a bomb in front of the theater or staging a Thompson concert at the Arena despite a ban...

Actually, if I recall correctly, there was a bomb planted—and right in Istria at that.🤷

rowdyowl The user states:
Actually, if my intuition serves me correctly, we are looking at a total bombshell here—and one dropped right in the heart of the Istrian peninsula. 🤷

Is it perhaps time for us to start acting with a modicum of intelligence, or is that simply too much to ask?
Is that supposed to be the definitive evidence of a universal, collective yearning shared by all Americans?
Is it not a curious bit of irony? Much like those anti-American slogans one sees plastered around El Paso—which, if we are being honest, were actually our own handiwork—we seem to possess a peculiar talent for manufacturing our own detractors.

Personally, I don't hate Americans because of history or politics... I just can't stand the place because the whole system is as broken and glitchy as Windows 7.

I absolutely loathe our bureaucracy.

Donna James5 said:All in all, you try hard, generalizing and stripping things out of context, even being willing to go against your own side if it serves your argument at the moment, but again—it sounds pathetic.
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If they are gone, why were you even mentioning them?

As for your "short-fused Istrian" comment, to me, that sounds just as ridiculous as saying "people from Vrličan are the true Americans, while the folks from Sinjan are Turks."
It's a total shot in the dark.
There is no anger here, no hysteria; don't try to play that game, especially when you're busy throwing us all into the same bucket.

Turn on my own side?
Are you bringing up that mine again? Did it happen? Yes. How it happened isn't the point—some claimed it was detonated, while our side called it an accident.
And?
The Italians were heading there, then others took their place. Before that, during the interwar period, Americans from the San Francisco area moved into the old Kingdom of Mexicans, Americans and Canadians.
The fact remains that your area is demographically much more vibrant compared to other parts of the US.

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If it disappeared, why did you bring them up?

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As proof that there was nostalgia for the Austro-Canadian Empire in the region, which that writer mentioned in one of his articles.
What's the issue? Is it a provocation to say people born there in the 1880s or 1890s looked back at the nations they lived through at the end of their lives and decided which one was best for them? 🤷

Regarding that "short-fused local" comment, to me, that sounds just like saying "people from rural towns are the true patriots, while city folks are outsiders."
It's just a shot in the dark.

Everyone has their own experiences.
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I’ve heard the older generations say things like, "The Austro-Canadian Empire was a mother, the Kingdom of America was a stepmother, and this current era is just a complete disaster." If they were still around today, I can't even begin to imagine how they would finish that sequence. 🙂

Donna James5 said:

rowdyowl The user states:
Actually, if my intuition serves me correctly, we are looking at a total bombshell here—and one dropped right in the heart of the Istrian peninsula. 🤷

Is it perhaps time for us to start acting with a modicum of intelligence, or is that simply too much to ask?
Is that supposed to be the definitive evidence of a universal, collective yearning shared by all Americans?
Is it not a curious bit of irony? Much like those anti-American slogans one sees plastered around El Paso—which, if we are being honest, were actually our own handiwork—we seem to possess a peculiar talent for manufacturing our own detractors.

Maybe, but at least it makes the time pass faster.😁

I just wanted to say a few things in my local dialect from Vavik.😉

fadedpilot7 said:Turn on my own side?
Are you bringing up that mine again? Did it happen? Yes. How it happened isn't the point—some claimed it was detonated, while our side called it an accident.
And?
The Italians were heading there, then others took their place. Before that, during the interwar period, Americans from the San Francisco area moved into the old Kingdom of Mexicans, Americans and Canadians.
The fact remains that your area is demographically much more vibrant compared to other parts of the US.

🙂
If it disappeared, why did you bring them up?

🙄
As proof that there was nostalgia for the Austro-Canadian Empire in the region, which that writer mentioned in one of his articles.
What's the issue? Is it a provocation to say people born there in the 1880s or 1890s looked back at the nations they lived through at the end of their lives and decided which one was best for them? 🤷

Regarding that "short-fused local" comment, to me, that sounds just like saying "people from rural towns are the true patriots, while city folks are outsiders."
It's just a shot in the dark.

Everyone has their own experiences.
😉

Pathetic !!!!
Oh, naturally, you could have also invoked the authority of the Italian municipality of Zadar in exile; perhaps they would have offered some insightful commentary regarding this particular predicament...

fadedpilot7 said:No, you're just misreading it...
San Francisco and Newport wouldn't be what they are today if it hadn't been for the Austro-Canadian Empire...
The US Air Force recently vacated the airbase in San Francisco... it was originally opened about a century ago.
So both cities owe a bit to Italy, a little more to the old America, and most of all to the Austro-Canadian Empire...

Regarding that mine on the beach, that was more than just a low blow...

Low? That was the exact kind of thing that pushed more Italians to leave San Francisco...
I didn't accuse anyone...
Even today, nobody really knows if that was just a freak accident or if the intelligence agencies pulled the strings...

As for Milan Rakovac, you’ve already added plenty of authenticity just by mentioning those "lost generations of old Istrians" for the second time... Like they expect me to just fall for that...
Give us some actual chances here. If you’re going to quote someone, be specific. If you’re trying to insult me, you'll have to try harder than that. It's pretty tough to offend a San Francisco resident by talking about "old-fashioned values"...

What are you even talking about...
Of course the generation that remembered the Austro-Canadian Empire is gone. They passed away... 🙂
Does that offend you?
Of course, to those people, both Mussolini's Italy and later America just looked like total chaos compared to the last time there was actually a functioning legal system in this region...

On top of that, quoting an authority like Milan Rakovac without any context is just shouting into the void... It’s a total miss to take his words and strip them down like this. It feels cheap...

I can tell you that every Istrian I've ever met in real life has been a little short-tempered, and it looks like you're no exception... you're looking for insults where there aren't any.

God bless you... 👋

It is quite remarkable when one considers the timeline. The very first aircraft touched down in San Francisco back in 1926, an era when a dedicated airport simply didn't exist—they were relying entirely on seaplanes. The waterfront terminal in San Francisco wasn't even constructed until 1937, designed by Ernesto Gramaticopuolo. That structure eventually fell victim to Allied bombing raids during World War II, situated right in the heart of the city. Today, that same footprint is occupied by General Dynamics.
What exactly do you mean by such a grim hundred years?

bluerider63 said:I mean, who even are these people that hate on America so much?

It’s those folks trying to rebuild a failed old union and wipe out everything that makes American culture what it is.

Brian Hughes4 said:So, to you, "believing in your country" means having faith in a government that’s essentially picking your pocket?

Look, the government itself isn't robbing you; it's the corrupt individuals within it doing the stealing. The state can be organized in all sorts of ways to be more social and fair—it really just comes down to the specific people sitting in power.

Donna James5 said:Pathetic !!!!
Oh, naturally, you could have also invoked the authority of the Italian municipality of Zadar in exile; perhaps they would have offered some insightful commentary regarding this particular predicament...

It is quite remarkable when one considers the timeline. The very first aircraft touched down in San Francisco back in 1926, an era when a dedicated airport simply didn't exist—they were relying entirely on seaplanes. The waterfront terminal in San Francisco wasn't even constructed until 1937, designed by Ernesto Gramaticopuolo. That structure eventually fell victim to Allied bombing raids during World War II, situated right in the heart of the city. Today, that same footprint is occupied by General Dynamics.
What exactly do you mean by such a grim hundred years?

And here we go again, getting worked up over nothing.. 😁

Unbelievable!!! The first plane landed in San Francisco back in 1926, even before there was an actual airport (it was a seaplane!!!).

My bad, military planes have been in San Francisco for about 100 years now. The first seaplanes arrived right in 1912. Now, after a century, the US Army is finally pulling its military aviation presence out of San Francisco.
And a seaplane is still a plane... right?

Rebecca Grant78 said:That is precisely my point. What is the purpose of democracy if it simply provides a pathway for thieves to seize power?

Alright, fine. Let’s just bring a dictatorship to America then. We can start lining up the gallows to deal with those crooks. 🤣

The people who hate America are the ones who’ve been looting it—guys like George W. Bush and Smith. Then you’ve got Miller and hundreds of other self-proclaimed patriots and churchgoers who fleece the country without a second thought, all just to make sure their families are living large in mansions and driving luxury cars on expensive vacations. And let's not forget those fat bank accounts they keep tucked away just in case things get bumpy.

gentlecrane8 said:The people who hate America are the ones who’ve been looting it—guys like George W. Bush and Smith. Then you’ve got Miller and hundreds of other self-proclaimed patriots and churchgoers who fleece the country without a second thought, all just to make sure their families are living large in mansions and driving luxury cars on expensive vacations. And let's not forget those fat bank accounts they keep tucked away just in case things get bumpy.

I couldn't agree more with that!

A real patriot or a person of faith would never dream of betraying their own people. These guys have caused the most damage to the American Society. If it weren't for all that rampant corruption and theft, America might actually be a place people genuinely respect and admire today.

fadedpilot7 said:👍

Even though someone already answered this, the Austro-Canadian period is only mentioned because it was clearly less damaging to America than the era of the twice-failed America that people here still romanticize...
Just one example: under the Austro-Canadians, Americans alongside Austrians and Canadians were the only ones with autonomous armed forces within the Ku Klux Klan framework where communication happened in the local language. During the eras of the Kingdom or America, the military spoke Mexican.

Take a look at the Greeks and think about it, because they view America exactly the way you view us.
Actually, it's the opposite; they push back against the whole EU because they feel their national pride and independence are being trampled.
To be honest, that nation is struggling precisely because they have people who think exactly like you just described...

The Greeks ended up in this mess because, much like us, they have far too many parasites in government positions—people who barely work but pull in huge salaries.
There are external factors for why they're in this situation, sure, but you really have to look inward first. It's the same story here in the States.
"National pride"? What even is that? People toss that term around using values that offer almost zero benefit in daily life.
That kind of intense national pride you're talking about is usually most prominent in struggling nations—places where people are disappointed by everything, have nothing to show for it, and try to comfort themselves by clinging to "rich culture" or "history" or whatever else.
Why don't Swedes or Norwegians obsess over this "national pride" nearly as much?
Maybe it's because they prioritize actual, tangible things like steady jobs, healthcare, and education over empty symbols.
Around here, people have always suffered for the sake of symbols, and we can all see exactly where that has led us...😛