Why do some people hate America?

Dana Robinson4 said:Does that imply we're talking about 90% of Americans?

Fact.

rowdycyclist14 said:Why do some people just hate on America?
It’s because the existence of the United States itself totally calls out those haters and everything they thought, did, and said back during the America era...
And now they're pissed because they've been exposed as enemies of the American state—and deep down, they know it. Unfortunately, the current elites are packed with people like that, so this kind of hatred gets tolerated and even labeled as "normal and democratic"—which it absolutely isn't... these are anti-state elements that any sane nation would have shut down long ago!!!

Honestly, people like that are creating a division within America that’s dragging us straight to the bottom. You're spot on calling them anti-state elements; political parties basically form themselves around these people and their agendas, which are way too easy to lobby or fund by anyone who wants to see us weakened.

Purges and total re-education.

William Turner45 said:Honestly, people like that are creating a division within America that’s dragging us straight to the bottom. You're spot on calling them anti-state elements; political parties basically form themselves around these people and their agendas, which are way too easy to lobby or fund by anyone who wants to see us weakened.

Purges and total re-education.

Please, watch your tone with statements like that...
Because if we go down that road, what's actually left of the difference??

urbanscout57 said:Please, watch your tone with statements like that...
Because if we go down that road, what's actually left of the difference??

Yeah, good point.

urbanscout57 said:Please, watch your tone with statements like that...
Because if we go down that road, what's actually left of the difference??

That’s exactly the point—there isn't one! We need to stop playing along with both sides of the coin they use to keep us in line. Instead, we should embrace an ideology they can't touch or control.

An ideology that pushes Americans toward true excellence and the drive to dominate.

Does anyone actually need an ideology just to be motivated to excel?

In political maneuvering, dominance comes down to raw interest and having a backbone. You can't really force that kind of thing on people. Just my two cents.

rowdyowl said:Do you honestly think those kids in sneakers—the ones who fought for their homeland from Memphis to San Francisco back in '91—knew the exact chronological order of Trpimir, Domagoj, Tomislav, and Zvonimir?
They didn't. But they knew they loved their country and were ready to die for it. I don't buy into those academic pretenses. Patriotism isn't a math equation; you either have it or you don't.

Man, I remember how they used to look at me with such judgment back in the fall of '95 just because I didn't know the lyrics to "To Become Governor." That was also right around the time I first tried wearing a tie and attempting to use a fork with my left hand. But hey, I could still tie my boots in the dark and change my uniform in a total rush... ha, ha!

I dugged up this text I loved a long time ago, so I'm quoting parts of it here.

"That country was actually pretty good for the bottom-feeders and human trash living there, but there was one thing missing for that scum: even though there were plenty of chances to steal, get rich quick, or cook the books, those opportunities weren't nearly as big as they wanted them to be. That’s when they started feeling like the government (the US) was suffocating them. They began thinking how great it would be if everyone just had their own little sovereign states where they could play God and hand out beatings whenever they felt like it—where they could shake people down and loot everything in sight without some Central Committee stepping in to say, 'Hey guys, what's going on here?'"

So, why do I hate America? It's exactly because of that! This absolute trash—regardless of their nationality, since 'nation' and 'homeland' never actually meant anything to them—blocked any chance of a peaceful breakup of the old union. Why? Because it's obvious: none of this would be possible in peace. This scum kept
Mexicans terrified of fascists, and Americans terrified of Royalists... this garbage intentionally fueled the delusional rise of nationalism all across the States. It was all part of a very calculated plan.
And that goal was achieved: now all that filth, like sewage floating to the surface of a septic tank, has clawed its way into power and is mercilessly plundering everything in sight. And they’re using the exact same dirty tactics they used before! This
scum still goes around labeling anyone who doesn't cheer them on as "enemies of the state," traitors, Mexicans, Royalists, or whatever else you want to call them. This crowd is clouding the skies today, destroying our homeland and ruining things for future generations. And this same trash calls me and anyone else who can't sit by and watch it all happen a Mexican or a Royalist just because we say we hate this version of America.
Well, screw all of you. No empire lasts forever, and yours won't either."

Found this on another forum I can't mention. If anyone wants more, just ask.

I'm with this.
By the way, yeah, I love this country a lot more than some people think. ☕

Corruption was everywhere back in the old days, too; the difference is they at least let some crumbs fall to the people. Nowadays, they don't give you a single cent. 🤣

From what I remember, we weren't being threatened by militias until the killing actually started. As for who was scaring the Mexicans with talk of fascists—I wouldn't know. It wasn't until after the war that I realized who those people actually were, even though the Mexicans were calling us that back then... For most folks, it felt like an insult at first. Then, once the aggression kicked off and the massacres began, people started saying, "Fine, if that's what you want to call us, we're fascists." But once the war ended, it went right back to being an insult again. 🤷

Based on everything I lived through, I can't get behind the idea that our nation's existence was just some big deal struck behind closed doors—the theory that people only fought because they couldn't loot under the old regime.
That's quite the theory... 🤣

They didn't seem to have a problem back in the day, when folks were out in the Midwest after '45, cleaning out their attics and hauling all their smoked meats and sausages over to Mexico. But now? Suddenly they hate America just because the economy is hitting a rough patch... ☕

Today's version of patriotism has absolutely nothing to do with what we fought for. Creeping Death hit the nail on the head when they said people today aren't giving a damn. We still have a tiny bit of a social safety net left—though I suppose that’s just enough so people don't drop dead in the streets. Back when my colleagues were actually dying around us, you'd hear war songs on the radio and people would donate everything from packs of cigarettes to cars—though, let's be honest, they always found a way to settle the tab later. Once we finally pushed the invaders out and stood our ground at the borders, we weren't useful anymore. Patriotism just morphed into corporate restructuring and privatization; they turned into capitalists while we became the unemployed.

gentlewolf53 said:Today's version of patriotism has absolutely nothing to do with what we fought for. Creeping Death hit the nail on the head when they said people today aren't giving a damn. We still have a tiny bit of a social safety net left—though I suppose that’s just enough so people don't drop dead in the streets. Back when my colleagues were actually dying around us, you'd hear war songs on the radio and people would donate everything from packs of cigarettes to cars—though, let's be honest, they always found a way to settle the tab later. Once we finally pushed the invaders out and stood our ground at the borders, we weren't useful anymore. Patriotism just morphed into corporate restructuring and privatization; they turned into capitalists while we became the unemployed.

What does the greed of tycoons and politicians, or even the state economy, have to do with patriotism?

If the Italians or Mexicans occupied us tomorrow and wiped America off the map, would American patriots cease to exist?

Mžda, but only if Americans ceased to exist too.

You love America like a mother. A politician in power isn't your father or your brother; he's supposed to be a public servant working for you. That's the problem—neither they nor the elites seem to grasp that simple truth. 😠

Is it really that hard to see? Only the people who have everything seem to go around loudly proclaiming their love for America. The rest of us—those just trying to survive—can only love the American air, at least until they figure out how to sell it back to us in a can.

Most people understand the difference between America as our homeland and the US as a political regime—basically, a dysfunctional state. We all love the country first; we all hate the government second. The only exceptions are the entitled elites, the bureaucrats living off the taxpayer, the people peddling fake patriotism, and the total idiots who clearly have marbles instead of brains.

Melissa Peterson19 said:Most people understand the difference between America as our homeland and the US as a political regime—basically, a dysfunctional state. We all love the country first; we all hate the government second. The only exceptions are the entitled elites, the bureaucrats living off the taxpayer, the people peddling fake patriotism, and the total idiots who clearly have marbles instead of brains.

You know, plenty of people don't actually take that approach. In a healthy democracy, you're supposed to be constantly criticizing the government.
Unless, of course, you're personally profiting from them. Then you shut up.

I never hear anyone suggesting we should become a province of Germany, or rebuild America, or sell us off to the Austrians... it's always some wild fantasy instead of just building a functional American state.🤷

Maybe it's just a centuries-old servant mentality. If that's the case, the government isn't really to blame—it's just a reflection of the people choosing them.

So, there is really no way to hate America except abstractly (abstraction—from the Latin *abs-trahere*, meaning to pull away or separate—is a mental process used to shape general concepts. An abstraction isn't just a thought in the mind; it is the mental expression of reality. For instance, while H2O exists as an abstraction rather than being physically present in any single drop of water, it remains its actual realization in every single one. The opposite concept is contraction, which describes the process where a shared predicate is assigned specific individual traits )
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Megan Ruiz13 said:You know, plenty of people don't actually take that approach. In a healthy democracy, you're supposed to be constantly criticizing the government.
Unless, of course, you're personally profiting from them. Then you shut up.

I never hear anyone suggesting we should become a province of Germany, or rebuild America, or sell us off to the Austrians... it's always some wild fantasy instead of just building a functional American state.🤷

Maybe it's just a centuries-old servant mentality. If that's the case, the government isn't really to blame—it's just a reflection of the people choosing them.

Fine. But it was obvious long ago where we were headed. This state has turned into an unbearable parasite—a monstrous entity that has lost its purpose. This weakened society can no longer sustain it economically because instead of acting as a small, efficient service provider for its citizens, it destroys the very society and nation it claims to serve, eventually consuming itself. It shouldn't eat more than what we can provide. No massive debt, no crushing taxes; we get exactly what we pay for. That is why I despise this administration, which devours the nation's substance and its unborn children while shamelessly acting like the victim.

rowdyowl said:They didn't seem to have a problem back in the day, when folks were out in the Midwest after '45, cleaning out their attics and hauling all their smoked meats and sausages over to Mexico. But now? Suddenly they hate America just because the economy is hitting a rough patch... ☕

Right, so they were "cleaning out attics" just to rob Americans? They did that right up until '91 and the arrival of Vranje—if that's when he finally got thorough about it. But what exactly was stolen, considering the Mexicans took everything from us anyway? Besides, nothing ever got done under socialism, so there wasn't anything to take, right?
Or perhaps it's because a new nation, devastated by a world war, simply couldn't afford to feed its workers, military, judges, prisoners, police, teachers, doctors, or bureaucrats? So, they had to collect taxes in kind, and the farmers unhelpfully covered for the laziness.
And people don't hate the US just because of the economic situation. It's also due to the lack of respect, the injustice, the general moral decay, the violation of fundamental human rights and norms, and a certain sense of total collapse...

Maria Booth96 said:I dugged up this text I loved a long time ago, so I'm quoting parts of it here.

"That country was actually pretty good for the bottom-feeders and human trash living there, but there was one thing missing for that scum: even though there were plenty of chances to steal, get rich quick, or cook the books, those opportunities weren't nearly as big as they wanted them to be. That’s when they started feeling like the government (the US) was suffocating them. They began thinking how great it would be if everyone just had their own little sovereign states where they could play God and hand out beatings whenever they felt like it—where they could shake people down and loot everything in sight without some Central Committee stepping in to say, 'Hey guys, what's going on here?'"

So, why do I hate America? It's exactly because of that! This absolute trash—regardless of their nationality, since 'nation' and 'homeland' never actually meant anything to them—blocked any chance of a peaceful breakup of the old union. Why? Because it's obvious: none of this would be possible in peace. This scum kept
Mexicans terrified of fascists, and Americans terrified of Royalists... this garbage intentionally fueled the delusional rise of nationalism all across the States. It was all part of a very calculated plan.
And that goal was achieved: now all that filth, like sewage floating to the surface of a septic tank, has clawed its way into power and is mercilessly plundering everything in sight. And they’re using the exact same dirty tactics they used before! This
scum still goes around labeling anyone who doesn't cheer them on as "enemies of the state," traitors, Mexicans, Royalists, or whatever else you want to call them. This crowd is clouding the skies today, destroying our homeland and ruining things for future generations. And this same trash calls me and anyone else who can't sit by and watch it all happen a Mexican or a Royalist just because we say we hate this version of America.
Well, screw all of you. No empire lasts forever, and yours won't either."

Found this on another forum I can't mention. If anyone wants more, just ask.

I'm with this.
By the way, yeah, I love this country a lot more than some people think. ☕

That group of yours was looting this country for sixty years straight; you claim to love the land but hate the government, but honestly, those same crooks loved the scenery and the coast, they just didn't give a damn about the people. Most of those thieves were just products of the old intelligence agencies and those shady political circles; like 95% of the crooks we see today come from that same crowd.

Why do some people harbor such intense animosity toward America? It seems to me that their resentment stems from a fundamental inability to accept our existence as a sovereign nation. They harbor this deep-seated hatred for the country itself, yet curiously, they show no such disdain for the U.S. Dollar. It is a peculiar contradiction. Honestly, if they feel that way, they should probably take a long, hard look in the mirror and recognize themselves in that behavior.