Why doesn't God share His knowledge?

Maria Robinson2 said:Well, I guess I’m somewhat of that person too.🤷
Maybe the author is actually hinting at the idea that God should have just hardwired all our knowledge from birth... so we wouldn't ever have to learn anything... basically being omniscient from day one.😕 🤷
But if that were the case, what would we even do?... without the need to learn, grow, or fulfill our inner selves?
Isn't it better this way—actually feeling alive while trying to uncover true knowledge?
Others might disagree, I suppose, but this seems like the only logical way to look at it...
especially since it's widely understood that God's plan for humanity wasn't to create robots pre-loaded with some perfect motherboard... the intention was much grander than that.
At least this way, we can experience that sense of joy and satisfaction when we master something new—and that feeling is quite good... you know, that whole "getting better every single day" thing.😍

Benjamin Taylor6 said:That’s basically Buddhist wisdom right there. If you strip away all desire—if you stop asking for things—then whatever life throws at you will be inherently good.
Unless, of course, a semi-truck runs over your leg.😢😲 In that case, you didn't ask for anything, you didn't seek any favors, but you're still going to be screaming in agony. And in the end, you'll be dealing with a prosthetic limb and walking with a cane.🙂

That's what we call Murfiyev's Law.

Lisa Bailey5 said:The conversation doesn't end there, because being exempt from military service due to that prosthetic leg actually allowed you to live long enough to see old age—unlike many of our friends and relatives who didn't get that luxury.

So, is that a good thing or not?

If you judge by that Zen sage—the one they went to for a blessing on his house, and he responded by wishing for "death to the grandfather, death to the father, and death to the son,"
then yes:

Or if you look at it another way, no. It’s arguably better to go straight to heaven. After all, what use is worldly knowledge when the cavalry of Jehovah is destined to ride in and sweep this world away soon anyway? In the meantime, we should just focus on praying to the (true) God and the saints; that’s how we stay healthy and keep those wandering demons at bay.

God has always passed down knowledge from ancient times, such as to His Abrahamic followers through powerful revelations recorded in the apocalypses. For instance, there is that one book, the Book of Enoch, which was incredibly popular during the early centuries of Christianity. In it, God revealed and explained to our Enoch (whom we know was taken up to heaven in the flesh before the Great Flood) everything regarding the reservoirs for rain, hail, snow, wind, and the rest.

The final revelation was given to the last prophet, where we learned about how angels strike demons with meteors in the atmosphere.

Looking at it today, one might think God has quite a sense of humor, or perhaps it was just another angel providing the inspiration for that crew.🙂 😉

Judging by other perspectives, it isn't necessarily good, because wouldn't it be better to go straight to heaven? What use is worldly knowledge anyway when the cavalry of the end times is going to roll in and wipe this world out soon regardless? In the meantime, we just need to pray enough to the (true) God and the saints, and then we'll have health and keep those wandering demons at bay.

God did pass down ancient knowledge to us, specifically through the Abrahamic faiths via powerful revelations recorded in apocalypses. Take, for example, the Book of Enoch, which was incredibly popular during the early centuries of Christianity. In it, God revealed and explained everything to our Enoch—who we know was taken up bodily into heaven before the Great Flood—regarding how the reservoirs for rain, hail, snow, wind, and everything else actually work.

The final revelation was given to the last prophet, once we learned how angels strike demons with meteors in the atmosphere.

If you look at it today, it seems like God was a pretty humorous guy—or maybe some other angel was just pulling the strings for that crew 🙂 😉

Varanasi;38267339 said:

Let’s say a person sets these absolutely wild goals—who else would? If they’re truly pushing the boundaries of what we consider possible, if they fly in the face of everything we think we know, and if there’s actual progress happening toward them, then it doesn't really matter if they claim a "higher power" is behind it all. Even if they don't make the claim, history is full of scientific breakthroughs that seemed totally impossible at the time. They happened!

It's just basic psychology: if you believe you can, you can!

But look, we are talking about goals here that are so insane they defy what most people call "common sense." And yet, they produce results. That suggests most people haven't a clue what they're talking about or how to draw a real conclusion because they simply don't understand the mechanics. So, I can take it on faith that there is indeed a "higher power" acting as the direct, unavoidable source behind these phenomena. Or better yet, if I can actually wrap my head around the principles of how this works, then it stops being a matter of faith altogether.

So basically, we're all in a bit of a mess because we're so desperate for answers that we'll jump at any story involving a higher power.

I’d argue that a person isn't actually the one driving these goals, nor are they the ultimate measure of things—even if they don't realize it. They aren't even directly responsible for the results. They act more like a medium; the results are undeniable and inevitable, even if it takes a while for us to figure out why they happened.

I think you missed the mark there. If you look at the heart of the matter, it always comes back to the individual. When something is received from a divine source, it's filtered through the recipient's own perception, not according to some perfect divine standard.

Can we really trust someone who sets these impossible goals and then claims they aren't the ones setting them, especially when the results show up steadily over many years?

What results are we even talking about here...?🤷

Well, that depends on which of the seventeen types of sound logic we decide to use.

Staring at the stars is often just a byproduct of being illogical. Our minds get hung up not just on what is true, but on what *should* be true, or things that contain a tiny sliver of truth but miss the whole picture entirely...

Maria Robinson2 said:Well, I guess I’m somewhat of that person too.🤷
Maybe the author is actually hinting at the idea that God should have just hardwired all our knowledge from birth... so we wouldn't ever have to learn anything... basically being omniscient from day one.😕 🤷
But if that were the case, what would we even do?... without the need to learn, grow, or fulfill our inner selves?
Isn't it better this way—actually feeling alive while trying to uncover true knowledge?
Others might disagree, I suppose, but this seems like the only logical way to look at it...
especially since it's widely understood that God's plan for humanity wasn't to create robots pre-loaded with some perfect motherboard... the intention was much grander than that.
At least this way, we can experience that sense of joy and satisfaction when we master something new—and that feeling is quite good... you know, that whole "getting better every single day" thing.😍

Ronald Nelson2 said:I'm with you on this.👍

Susan Green15 said:But I wonder if you’d feel the same way about this scenario.
Suppose you fall ill and head to see a doctor.
The physician examines you and says:
"Hmm, things aren't looking great. You have a rather severe condition, and I'm afraid if you don't start treatment immediately, you might only have six months left. But don't worry. I've brought along some medical books; perhaps you can try to learn everything within those six months. I won't spoil the fun by telling you exactly where the cure and treatment for your illness lie—I want you to experience the joy of finding the solution yourself. My only concern is whether you'll actually have enough time to study it all, given that medical school usually takes six years. If I could ask one favor: please try to meet me a little sooner so you can return the books before, heaven forbid, you pass away. I'll have my nurse bring a cart so you can load up on the volumes. Have a pleasant day."

You would undoubtedly thank the doctor, saying something like:
"Thank you for giving me this task; it makes me feel truly alive to strive toward discovering the true knowledge."

You certainly wouldn't be calling the police on him.

You believers are quite hypocritical.🙂

Ronald Nelson2 said:My dear friend, you're mistaken.🙂
Knowledge of God and medical science are acquired through entirely different means.
In medicine, you learn from a book. In religion, you also learn from a book, but you only absorb as much as you allow yourself to. You can cram medicine into your head if you absolutely have to. But faith? You can't memorize faith. Faith is felt in the soul and the heart. You cannot simply study faith by rote. You can feel it, love it, live it, preach it... there is no other way to exist with it. In short, faith is lived spiritually, while medicine is practiced physically.
I know you won't even "like" this, but what can I do?🙂

Ronald Nelson2 said:My dear friend, you're mistaken.🙂
Knowledge of God and medical science are acquired through entirely different means.
In medicine, you learn from a book. In religion, you also learn from a book, but you only absorb as much as you allow yourself to. You can cram medicine into your head if you absolutely have to. But faith? You can't memorize faith. Faith is felt in the soul and the heart. You cannot simply study faith by rote. You can feel it, love it, live it, preach it... there is no other way to exist with it. In short, faith is lived spiritually, while medicine is practiced physically.
I know you won't even "like" this, but what can I do?🙂

Susan Green15 said:The crux of my question is actually this:
Believers claim that God is good. Fine.
Believers also claim that God didn't intend to grant us His specific knowledge. Also fine.
However, when you place those two assertions side by side, you are left with a glaring contradiction.
How can anyone describe God as good while He calmly watches people and children perish simply because they lack the knowledge to fight off diseases—all while possessing the very knowledge required to help them win those battles? If a human being acted this way—if someone had the power to save millions through either the sharing of knowledge or direct intervention and chose not to act—we would compare them to Hitler. In that context, they would be held just as responsible for those millions of deaths as God is.
That is the point. The point is that God/Jesus appears to care about humanity by performing miracles and healing the sick, yet it feels like little more than self-promotion. I fail to see the logic: if there is no issue with Jesus healing a leper, why is there an issue with teaching people how to heal themselves? It doesn't hold up. You cannot claim Jesus cares for humanity if He heals two lepers while simultaneously withholding the knowledge that could potentially save millions. The core of this entire discussion is the contradiction between perceiving God/Jesus as a benevolent, noble figure and the reality of Him allowing millions to suffer.

Ronald Nelson2 said:I'm with you on this.👍

Susan Green15 said:Could you please explain how you arrived at the conclusion that this thread pertains to "knowledge of god"? Did you happen to read the opening post, which asks:
"What could be the noble reason why an omniscient God chooses not to share with us humans the knowledge that could save millions of lives or make our existence easier?"

We aren't debating whether God exists or discussing His essence.
The discussion centers on the specific knowledge that could help humanity cure diseases that have claimed millions of lives throughout history.
It is the exact same type of knowledge that was withheld from you by the doctor you visited—who, instead of helping you, simply handed you books and told you to teach yourself how to heal.

It seems to me that you believers are intentionally pretending not to understand the point, or perhaps you're just shifting the goalposts to change the subject entirely.

God possesses knowledge that He could pass down to people so they might be healed, yet He allows them to die instead.
A doctor possesses knowledge that he could pass down to you so you might be healed, yet he allows you to die instead.
You claim the first scenario is perfectly fine because that is how God gives life meaning—by allowing us to discover cures ourselves.
Yet, you argue that the second scenario (the doctor) has nothing to do with the first.

HOW IS THAT NOT RELATED? GOD IS REPLACED BY THE DOCTOR AND HUMANS ARE REPLACED BY YOU.
WHY IS THIS ANALOGY SO DIFFICULT TO GRASP? 🙂

Susan Green15 said:The crux of my question is actually this:
Believers claim that God is good. Fine.
Believers also claim that God didn't intend to grant us His specific knowledge. Also fine.
However, when you place those two assertions side by side, you are left with a glaring contradiction.
How can anyone describe God as good while He calmly watches people and children perish simply because they lack the knowledge to fight off diseases—all while possessing the very knowledge required to help them win those battles? If a human being acted this way—if someone had the power to save millions through either the sharing of knowledge or direct intervention and chose not to act—we would compare them to Hitler. In that context, they would be held just as responsible for those millions of deaths as God is.
That is the point. The point is that God/Jesus appears to care about humanity by performing miracles and healing the sick, yet it feels like little more than self-promotion. I fail to see the logic: if there is no issue with Jesus healing a leper, why is there an issue with teaching people how to heal themselves? It doesn't hold up. You cannot claim Jesus cares for humanity if He heals two lepers while simultaneously withholding the knowledge that could potentially save millions. The core of this entire discussion is the contradiction between perceiving God/Jesus as a benevolent, noble figure and the reality of Him allowing millions to suffer.

Maria Robinson2 said:Your frustration is understandable, I suppose; a huge number of people feel bitter toward God and regularly blame Him, treating Him as the one responsible for everything.
But that doesn't hold water—and to understand why things are the way they are, we really need to study the book to expand our understanding of such an important topic.

Jesus (as the son of god) wasn't out there promoting himself or bragging about being the perfect physician who refuses to share knowledge just for fun.
Why would God send Him at all, rather than just teleporting knowledge directly into everyone's minds on Earth?
Given the nature of the human heart, that probably wouldn't have been wise; even back then, there were little Hitlers or people who would have cheered at the discovery of nuclear bombs... everything would have exploded right then, and we wouldn't even be here today.

Similarly, it isn't accurate to say God just sits by watching human suffering, because the Bible says otherwise.
And yes, the book explains that all of this will eventually be wiped away in due time, so maybe it’s better if we stop judging so soon.
As for why it hasn't happened yet, or why it wasn't given in the past—that's what seems to bother you, I guess.
The answer lies in a subject you won't allow yourself to face, because it’s easier to skip the actual knowledge and just put God on trial.🙄

Maria Robinson2 said:Your frustration is understandable, I suppose; a huge number of people feel bitter toward God and regularly blame Him, treating Him as the one responsible for everything.
But that doesn't hold water—and to understand why things are the way they are, we really need to study the book to expand our understanding of such an important topic.

Jesus (as the son of god) wasn't out there promoting himself or bragging about being the perfect physician who refuses to share knowledge just for fun.
Why would God send Him at all, rather than just teleporting knowledge directly into everyone's minds on Earth?
Given the nature of the human heart, that probably wouldn't have been wise; even back then, there were little Hitlers or people who would have cheered at the discovery of nuclear bombs... everything would have exploded right then, and we wouldn't even be here today.

Similarly, it isn't accurate to say God just sits by watching human suffering, because the Bible says otherwise.
And yes, the book explains that all of this will eventually be wiped away in due time, so maybe it’s better if we stop judging so soon.
As for why it hasn't happened yet, or why it wasn't given in the past—that's what seems to bother you, I guess.
The answer lies in a subject you won't allow yourself to face, because it’s easier to skip the actual knowledge and just put God on trial.🙄

Jonah's Seal of Solomon
People kept coming at Him, demanding some kind of flashy sign just to prove He wasn't a fraud. Honestly, I get it—we all want the magic trick. But He didn't bite. He just looked at them and basically said that unless they see the signs right in front of their faces, nothing's going to change. It’s like looking at a masterpiece and asking for a flashlight to prove it’s real. Such a waste of time.
Some legalistic scholars and hypocrites once cornered him, demanding a sign to prove himself. He just told them straight: an evil and unfaithful generation keeps hunting for signs, but they aren't getting anything except Jonah's sign. Just like Jonah spent three days and nights inside the belly of a whale, the Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights. When Judgment Day comes, the people of Nineveh are going to stand up alongside this generation and condemn them, because they actually listened to Jonah’s preaching—and look, there's something even greater here than Jonah. Even the Queen of the South will rise up at the Judgment to condemn this generation, because she traveled from the ends of the earth just to hear Solomon's wisdom, and yet, here is someone even greater than Solomon.

Don't think for a second I'm going to sue my Father. Your prosecutor is Moses, so who exactly do you think you're betting on? (46) Honestly, if you actually believed Moses, you'd believe me too. He was the one talking about me.If you can't even trust his letters, why on earth would you believe a word I say?

Yahweh is going to raise up a prophet from among your own people—someone just like you—so listen to him! It’s exactly what you asked for back at Horeb during that assembly, when you told Yahweh, "I'm done hearing Your voice, and I can't handle staring into that terrifying fire without dying!" Well, Yahweh actually agreed with you. He said, "They're right. I'll pick a prophet from their own ranks, just like you. I'll put my words directly into his mouth so he tells them exactly what I command." But fair warning: if anyone ignores what this prophet says in His name, they'll have to answer to Him personally.

Anthony Perez9 said:Jesus was basically the biggest show-off to ever exist.:

Jesus claims He’s actually wiser than even Solomon, the wisest guy to ever walk the earth.

"Look, I'm standing right here—I am Jesus. I've got more wisdom than Solomon, and I'm a bigger prophet than Jonah, the guy who actually convinced an entire city like Nineveh to turn back to Jehovah!" (Yeah, sure. If I were really the Son of God, I’d probably be some legendary sage performing miracles left and right.)

Jesus says that Moses was actually talking about Him.
How is everyone so dense that they can't see ME in all those Jewish scriptures? It's me, Jesus, the one everyone keeps writing about.

Moses basically just said that someone even greater than him would show up later, describing a figure who could pretty much be anyone.

Jesus is looking at this passage when he’s yelling about how people need to realize that Moses was actually talking about him all along.

So, Jesus was basically just feeding his own ego.

I’m the only one who matters—your leader, your teacher, and nothing else.

The scholars and religious elites have taken over Moses's seat. Honestly, just do what they tell you, but don't expect them to actually walk the walk—they love talking, but they won't lift a finger to help. They’ll pile heavy burdens on everyone else while they sit back and watch. It’s all just a performance for the crowd; they love the attention, the fancy titles, the front-row seats at church, and being called "Teacher" or "Rabbi" in public. But don't bother calling yourselves that. We only have one teacher, and we're all brothers. Don't even call anyone "Father" here on earth, because we only have one Father up in heaven. (And what about the Pope? Is he the Holy Father?) Just don't let people treat you like they're your leaders, because our only leader is Christ.

With an egomaniac like that, you can only expect heavy-handed copyright claims and them hoarding every bit of progress and profit... all while threatening you with literal hellfire and grinding teeth.

The Acts of Jesus. 🙄

Don't think for a second that I'm going to sue you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, whom you rely on. (46) Truly, if you believed Moses, you would believe me: for he wrote about me. (47) But if you don't believe his writings, how will you believe my words?"

"Yahweh, your God, will raise up a prophet like me from among your own people—listen to him! Just as you asked of Yahweh, your God, at Horeb on the day of the assembly, when you said, 'I don't want to hear the voice of Yahweh, my God, anymore, nor do I want to see that terrifying fire or I might die!' Then Yahweh said to me: 'They have spoken correctly. I will raise up a prophet among them like you. I will put my words in his mouth so he tells them everything I command. And if anyone fails to listen to the words that the prophet speaks in my name, he will be held accountable before me."

Maria Robinson2 said:"I am standing right here before you—Jesus. I possess wisdom greater than Solomon's; I am a prophet greater than Jonah, who turned an entire city—Nineveh—to the worship of Jehovah!" (I guess if I were the son of god, I'd also be some great wise prophet handing out signs to people.)

Jesus claims that Moses was actually talking about Him.
"How are you all so blind that you can't see ME in all the Jewish holy scriptures? IT IS I, JESUS, THE ONE THEY ARE ALL WRITING ABOUT!!"

And apparently, the mythical Moses only spoke of some future prophet even greater than himself—describing someone vague enough to be anyone.

Jesus seems to be fixated on this passage when he rants about the necessity of believing that Moses was specifically pointing to Him.

So, I suppose Jesus was just making a case for his own ego.

Only I, Jesus, am your Leader! Only I am your Teacher!

"The scribes and Pharisees sat in Moses's seat. So do and observe everything they tell you, but don't follow their actions, because they talk without doing. They tie heavy burdens onto people's shoulders but won't even lift a finger to help. They do everything just to be seen by others. In fact, they lengthen their scrolls and make their tassels longer. They love the best seats at banquets, the first chairs in synagogues, greetings in the streets, and being called 'Rabbi' by people. But you, don't let yourselves be called 'Rabbi,' since you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. Nor should you call anyone on earth 'father,' because you have one Father—the one in heaven. (Though what about the Pope—the Holy Father?) And don't let leaders call you theirs, because you have one leader—Christ.

From such egomaniacs, we can probably expect nothing more than aggressive copyright claims and the retention of all rights to goodness and progress... under threat of a fiery HELL filled with the grinding of teeth.

The Acts of Jesus. 🙄