Susan Green15 said:OKIDOKI
So, from what I can gather, the conclusion is that God simply isn't handing us the knowledge required to save millions from various diseases just so we humans have something to occupy ourselves with—learning, evolving, and growing. In this view, such a God is actually quite benevolent and noble.
On the flip side, if a professional—say, a doctor—withholds knowledge that could prevent people from dying of preventable illnesses, then that individual is nothing short of a criminal.
And yet, a believer who holds both of these premises to be true simultaneously sees absolutely no contradiction in their logic, and they don't consider themselves hypocrites.
I try my absolute hardest to wrap my head around the mindset of believers, but I just cannot grasp that specific mental framework. It’s like trying to navigate through a thick fog of amorphous ideas that are poured out and tangled together in a way that defies all logic and reason. And honestly, you people never provide a concrete answer. You always dodge the point, start rambling about something completely irrelevant, and eventually, every response boils down to some parrot-like repetition: "God is good," "God is noble," "God is almighty," "It's all in the Bible," or "Just open your heart and everything will be explained."
I pose a straightforward question, and there is zero chance of receiving a rational response.
It is nothing but evasion and contradictions.
Don't let the simplicity of a question fool you. Just because someone asks something straightforward doesn't mean the answer will be. Usually, it’s quite the opposite. And when people start dragging out these long-winded, overly complicated explanations? That’s just a fancy way of dodging the point. It’s pure evasion.
A believer doesn't need to go through the exhausting process of making excuses. They aren't obligated to sit there and explain themselves, prove their worth, or offer up some long-winded justification to anyone who asks. It’s just not their job.
Even the believers don't actually have an answer to that question. They just cling to the idea that God is inherently good and noble. They hold onto this belief that there’s some grand reason why the world is such a mess, regardless of what the actual facts are telling us. It's all just faith, really. No logic, just hope.
So, you’re claiming that I’m going out of my way, using every ounce of energy I have, just to try and wrap my head around believers. Honestly? It's a bit much to suggest I'm working that hard. Maybe I am. Maybe I'm not. It’s a heavy topic, isn't it? A lot to unpack. But let's be real—I'm just trying to make sense of things. Sometimes that feels like an uphill battle.
I feel your pain. Honestly, I’ve spent half my life trying to crack the code on how women think, throwing everything I've got at the problem, but I still come up empty-handed. It's like staring at a complex equation where the variables change every five seconds. I just can't wrap my head around that particular logic. Total mystery to me.
I don't doubt their intelligence, their mental stability, or their capacity for rational thought. Not even a little bit.
Maybe one day you'll just throw in the towel too. It happens to the best of us.
If you’re looking for some basic, surface-level answer, go ask Dawkins.
When a decent magician pulls off a trick, everything seems straightforward. Your senses tell you one thing—you saw exactly what happened right in front of your eyes. You can't deny the physical reality of it. But even so, there’s this nagging feeling in the back of your mind. You know, deep down, that you're being played. You know it's an illusion, regardless of whether you have the slightest clue how they actually pulled it off.
Our whole faith is built on one simple idea: the physical laws governing our reality are absolute. They aren't suggestions. They don't bend just because we want them to. They are unbreakable.
Sure, you could argue this isn't some matter of blind faith. It’s more like a hard fact. We have never once detected a single violation of the laws of physics—nature just works the way it works. To me, that makes it a well-founded position rather than just a leap of faith.
Look, I have to admit, claiming that position is absolute is a massive stretch. It’s built on incredibly thin empirical ground. You can't just take a tiny sliver of data and act like you've uncovered some universal truth. It's just not how things work.
We only have a tiny fraction of the actual physical laws at our fingertips. It’s a joke, really. We sit here acting like we've mapped out the entire universe, convinced we've got the blueprint figured out, but we're basically just toddlers playing with blocks in a dark room. Most of what we call "science" is just us squinting through a keyhole, trying to guess what's happening on the other side. We haven't even scratched the surface.
Maybe there’s some deeper set of laws—natural laws we haven't even begun to wrap our heads around yet—that would allow for certain things to happen under specific conditions. Things that, according to every scientific principle currently available to us, are strictly impossible. It's a thought that keeps me up. We think we have the universe figured out, but we're really just scratching the surface of a much larger, much more complex reality.
What exactly governs the laws of nature? I mean, what dictates the rules that rule the universe? And where does that chain actually end? It’s a rabbit hole. If you start pulling on that thread, how deep does it go? What if the entire collection of natural laws is just... infinite? It’s enough to make your head spin.
Then anything is possible.
Here’s a hypothetical scenario where a believer isn't just some walking hypocrite, and where God actually turns out to be good and noble:
Man, it’s the same old story. Humans always want more than just paradise. We look at a perfect situation—something like the Garden of Eden—and we just can't help ourselves. We had to reach for more. It's that ancient, restless urge to be like God, you know? That whole mess with the apple and the serpent... it's baked into our DNA. We crave power we weren't meant to have.
God warned the man that he was looking at a brutal stretch of road—a true Via Dolorosa. It’s a path paved with nothing but suffering, and the kicker is that you have to walk it entirely on your own. You see, you don't become one with God by leaning on someone else's shoulder. You have to face that darkness solo.
...but I guess things are moving along somehow... God hasn't abandoned me—sometimes He sends an "imaginary friend" to play the part of a Child of God and offer some comfort.
I suppose once people finally become like God, they'll be one with Him, just like every single ounce of suffering😢 and joy🙂 encountered along the way.
