Why doesn't God share His knowledge?

hiddenbear3 said:Well, please try to express yourself more clearly instead of jumping back and forth like that...

Do you follow me??

You’re attempting to manipulate the conversation, but I'm afraid it simply isn't working.

Don't you realize that it doesn't matter who said what or when they said it? What actually matters are the facts—raw and unadorned, without all this unnecessary fluff.

And from where I'm sitting, it seems you aren't even familiar with the actual facts.

If you were, perhaps you would finally grasp the point I am making.

Regards,

briskotter192 said:Don't you realize that it doesn't matter who said what or when they said it? What actually matters are the facts—raw and unadorned, without all this unnecessary fluff.

And from where I'm sitting, it seems you aren't even familiar with the actual facts.

If you were, perhaps you would finally grasp the point I am making.

Regards,

You are trying to manipulate if THEN Elsa..

Just pure programming..

The "facts" you speak of..

Staying on topic here... I’m no theology expert, but this thread got my brain spinning:
Does gaining knowledge actually drive us away from God? If so, why would He even bother giving it to us if it just distances us from Him or our spiritual side?
And didn't we essentially "fall" just because we were hungry for knowledge?
Hey, Benedict XVI/Archontonis/Dalai Lama... am I totally missing the mark here?

Leo Tolstoy once observed:
To get back to the point... I’m certainly no theologian, but seeing this topic sparked a few lingering questions in my mind:
Doesn't knowledge actually distance us from God?

Not at all. If God truly exists, then seeking knowledge and uncovering the truth can only serve to draw us closer to Him.

feralwalker672 said:

Leo Tolstoy once observed:
To get back to the point... I’m certainly no theologian, but seeing this topic sparked a few lingering questions in my mind:
Doesn't knowledge actually distance us from God?

Not at all. If God truly exists, then seeking knowledge and uncovering the truth can only serve to draw us closer to Him.

Actually, it’s the exact opposite. There’s definitely a link between education and atheism—the more people actually know, the harder it is to sell them fairy tales.

The less educated someone is, the easier they are to manipulate. You see it all the time, like how religion is way more prevalent in rural areas than in big cities.

feralwalker672 said:

Leo Tolstoy once observed:
To get back to the point... I’m certainly no theologian, but seeing this topic sparked a few lingering questions in my mind:
Doesn't knowledge actually distance us from God?

Not at all. If God truly exists, then seeking knowledge and uncovering the truth can only serve to draw us closer to Him.

...I don't get it... what does knowledge have to do with truth, and how does knowing things supposedly bring us closer to God? Sure, maybe institutional spirituality—which is what this thread is actually about—suggests that, though I have no clue how, especially with all that "expulsion from Eden" nonsense... but these other vibes... let's just call them New Age... they're all about shutting down the mind... transcendence... wouldn't cutting everything else out (including knowledge) be the way to become (p)art of the One?

Alexander Price74 said:...I don't get it... what does knowledge have to do with truth, and how does knowing things supposedly bring us closer to God? Sure, maybe institutional spirituality—which is what this thread is actually about—suggests that, though I have no clue how, especially with all that "expulsion from Eden" nonsense... but these other vibes... let's just call them New Age... they're all about shutting down the mind... transcendence... wouldn't cutting everything else out (including knowledge) be the way to become (p)art of the One?

From my perspective, knowledge and truth are inextricably linked. Are you suggesting that acquiring knowledge somehow results in false claims?
According to Christian faith, Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life—meaning that grasping the truth (knowing things as they truly are) is precisely what leads one toward Jesus, and by extension, toward God.
It's clear to me that I disagree with the New Age movement; in my view, it attempts to guide a person toward God through the wrong door entirely.

Look, when it comes to knowledge, one person's expertise is just someone else's garbage. Simple as that. There's only one actual truth out there, so I wouldn't bother trying to link the two. But hey, we live in a world where everyone claims they have their own version of reality and their own path to follow. In this day and age, "truth" is basically relative—just like knowledge is. So sure, you're right. You've got your truth.

feralwalker672 said:From my perspective, knowledge and truth are inextricably linked. Are you suggesting that acquiring knowledge somehow results in false claims?
According to Christian faith, Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life—meaning that grasping the truth (knowing things as they truly are) is precisely what leads one toward Jesus, and by extension, toward God.
It's clear to me that I disagree with the New Age movement; in my view, it attempts to guide a person toward God through the wrong door entirely.

But how can you be so sure that's "wrong"? Did you actually test it out for yourself, or are you just repeating what everyone else told you? 😕

Alexander Price74 said:Staying on topic here... I’m no theology expert, but this thread got my brain spinning:
Does gaining knowledge actually drive us away from God? If so, why would He even bother giving it to us if it just distances us from Him or our spiritual side?
And didn't we essentially "fall" just because we were hungry for knowledge?
Hey, Benedict XVI/Archontonis/Dalai Lama... am I totally missing the mark here?

Ignorance is just the starting line for true understanding... humans haven't known nearly enough yet... the real books provide a roadmap for understanding nature, and an ignorant person can't even begin to grasp God

Susan Green15 said:What could possibly be the noble reasoning behind an omniscient God choosing not to share the kind of knowledge that could save millions of lives or simply make our existence less of a struggle?
During the Middle Ages, countless millions perished from the plague and various other ailments, not to mention the periods of famine caused by things like potato blight wiping out crops.
Why didn't God explain the mechanics of the plague or how to treat it, instead just watching silently as millions died, leaving us to stumble upon the cures entirely on our own?

Why do people continue to praise Jesus for miraculous healings rather than criticizing him for using his knowledge and abilities for his own promotion and glory, instead of teaching humanity medicine so we could actually heal ourselves—both in greater numbers and long after his passing?

The insight you reach through your own struggle is far more valuable than someone simply handing you all the secrets of the universe when you don't even have the capacity to understand them!

Paul Collins7 said:The insight you reach through your own struggle is far more valuable than someone simply handing you all the secrets of the universe when you don't even have the capacity to understand them!

But is it even possible for a person to achieve true enlightenment alone?
I suspect that’s impossible—people just like to pretend they can, I guess.

Paul Collins7 said:The insight you reach through your own struggle is far more valuable than someone simply handing you all the secrets of the universe when you don't even have the capacity to understand them!

Precisely.

That is why the pursuit of learning is essential.

Best regards,

Susan Green15 said:What could possibly be the noble reasoning behind an omniscient God choosing not to share the kind of knowledge that could save millions of lives or simply make our existence less of a struggle?
During the Middle Ages, countless millions perished from the plague and various other ailments, not to mention the periods of famine caused by things like potato blight wiping out crops.
Why didn't God explain the mechanics of the plague or how to treat it, instead just watching silently as millions died, leaving us to stumble upon the cures entirely on our own?

Why do people continue to praise Jesus for miraculous healings rather than criticizing him for using his knowledge and abilities for his own promotion and glory, instead of teaching humanity medicine so we could actually heal ourselves—both in greater numbers and long after his passing?

What a ridiculous question.
Just watch The Matrix and listen to what Smith has to say.

Paul Collins7 said:The insight you reach through your own struggle is far more valuable than someone simply handing you all the secrets of the universe when you don't even have the capacity to understand them!

That’s the truth of it. But then again—why do schools even exist? It's for the transmission of knowledge, isn't it? Even Jesus could have set up his own sort of parapsychological academy. It doesn't necessarily have to be some magical fortress like Hogwarts 😁

Benjamin Taylor6 said:That’s the truth of it. But then again—why do schools even exist? It's for the transmission of knowledge, isn't it? Even Jesus could have set up his own sort of parapsychological academy. It doesn't necessarily have to be some magical fortress like Hogwarts 😁

It better be more impressive than Hogwarts! Can you imagine the chaos if people started claiming Harry Potter has more clout than Jesus just because he has a flashier castle?

Benjamin Taylor6 said:But how can you be so sure that's "wrong"? Did you actually test it out for yourself, or are you just repeating what everyone else told you? 😕

Neither.
If we accept the premise that knowledge draws us closer to the ultimate reality and that Jesus truth is our guiding light, then abandoning reason and intellectual inquiry is fundamentally the wrong approach—at best, it simply makes the journey an unnecessarily long and arduous one.

feralwalker672 said:Neither.
If we accept the premise that knowledge draws us closer to the ultimate reality and that Jesus truth is our guiding light, then abandoning reason and intellectual inquiry is fundamentally the wrong approach—at best, it simply makes the journey an unnecessarily long and arduous one.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life"—it’s a beautiful sentiment, really. But when you actually try to pin down what that means in a practical sense, people usually retreat into these tired, hollow clichés about being "good," "kind," or "polite." Sure, you can chase that through fasting, prayer, deep contemplation, or attending Mass and taking Communion every Sunday. But where does the actual intellect fit into all that? Prayer isn't going to do much for you if a plague like cholera hits, nor is it going to shield you from the madness of someone like Breivik.
And if you live in an earthquake zone, let me tell you—Christ isn't going to hold up your ceiling. You'll be relying on plenty of structural steel and high-grade concrete for that.

Benjamin Taylor6 said:"I am the way, the truth, and the life"—it’s a beautiful sentiment, really. But when you actually try to pin down what that means in a practical sense, people usually retreat into these tired, hollow clichés about being "good," "kind," or "polite." Sure, you can chase that through fasting, prayer, deep contemplation, or attending Mass and taking Communion every Sunday. But where does the actual intellect fit into all that? Prayer isn't going to do much for you if a plague like cholera hits, nor is it going to shield you from the madness of someone like Breivik.
And if you live in an earthquake zone, let me tell you—Christ isn't going to hold up your ceiling. You'll be relying on plenty of structural steel and high-grade concrete for that.

I believe you're missing the point of what Jesus was actually saying.

The "Way" means accepting your own life—carrying your cross to the very end, much like Jesus did without ever turning back.

The "Truth" signifies that He came to bear witness to the reality that God exists.

And "Life" refers to the fact that He came to grant us a life that is eternal.

Regards,

briskotter192 said:I believe you're missing the point of what Jesus was actually saying.

The "Way" means accepting your own life—carrying your cross to the very end, much like Jesus did without ever turning back.

The "Truth" signifies that He came to bear witness to the reality that God exists.

And "Life" refers to the fact that He came to grant us a life that is eternal.

Regards,

But look, that’s all just faith—it isn't actual knowledge. If we were talking about real knowledge, He would have founded some kind of academy for Astral Projection, where people could actually experience what it feels like to be out-of-body on their own terms. 😁