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Why doesn't God share His knowledge?

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Harold Doyle3 Harold Doyle3 Active Member
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#81 ·
Susan Green15 said:What could possibly be the noble reasoning behind an omniscient God choosing not to share the kind of knowledge that could save millions of lives or simply make our existence less of a struggle?
During the Middle Ages, countless millions perished from the plague and various other ailments, not to mention the periods of famine caused by things like potato blight wiping out crops.
Why didn't God explain the mechanics of the plague or how to treat it, instead just watching silently as millions died, leaving us to stumble upon the cures entirely on our own?

Why do people continue to praise Jesus for miraculous healings rather than criticizing him for using his knowledge and abilities for his own promotion and glory, instead of teaching humanity medicine so we could actually heal ourselves—both in greater numbers and long after his passing?


An Eastern (and somewhat Christian)

If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day; if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime.
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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#82 ·
Harold Doyle3 said:An Eastern (and somewhat Christian)

If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day; if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime.

"Well, if you just beat him over the head, you get the fish and solve your problems instantly... but you know how that goes." That's just common sense, really!
electricranger16 electricranger16 Member
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#83 ·
Why doesn't God just share His knowledge?

🤣🤣 Look, look... it’s not like knowledge is some loaf of bread you can just slice up and say "here you go." Truth is, you're already drowning in it. It really just comes down to whether or not you actually want to open your eyes and see it...
Harold Doyle3 Harold Doyle3 Active Member
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#84 ·
wearyowl29 said:"Well, if you just beat him over the head, you get the fish and solve your problems instantly... but you know how that goes." That's just common sense, really!

If I'm actually capable of giving him a beating, then I've already got someone out there catching the fish for me... even more universal, if you ask me.
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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#85 ·
Harold Doyle3 said:If I'm actually capable of giving him a beating, then I've already got someone out there catching the fish for me... even more universal, if you ask me.

Oh, absolutely! But you’ve got to sell him on the idea first... and honestly, what better cover could you ask for than divine intervention? It’s such an easy shortcut straight into the worlds of high-stakes marketing and politics.
Brenda Cook4 Brenda Cook4 Regular
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#86 ·
Susan Green15 said:What could possibly be the noble reasoning behind an omniscient God choosing not to share the kind of knowledge that could save millions of lives or simply make our existence less of a struggle?
During the Middle Ages, countless millions perished from the plague and various other ailments, not to mention the periods of famine caused by things like potato blight wiping out crops.
Why didn't God explain the mechanics of the plague or how to treat it, instead just watching silently as millions died, leaving us to stumble upon the cures entirely on our own?

Why do people continue to praise Jesus for miraculous healings rather than criticizing him for using his knowledge and abilities for his own promotion and glory, instead of teaching humanity medicine so we could actually heal ourselves—both in greater numbers and long after his passing?

It’s actually quite simple: God can't exactly "share knowledge" when the people who put those books together didn't have any idea what they were talking about in the first place.
Susan Green15 Susan Green15 MemberOP
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#87 ·
Harold Doyle3 said:An Eastern (and somewhat Christian)

If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day; if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime.

That is precisely my point. Jesus could have simply healed someone (given them the fish) instead of forcing them to acquire the knowledge to heal themselves (teaching them how to fish).
If you encounter a starving person and choose to lecture them on fishing techniques rather than just handing over a meal, they’re going to die from sheer exhaustion before they even manage to cast a net into the water.
Similarly, if a person is suffering from a plague, they might very well pass away before they can master the science of their own recovery.

So, if God designed the curriculum such that millions must perish before we grasp the answers, I find that concept anything but noble. Imagine if you sent your child to an American school where there were 30 students in a class, yet you knew through certain experience that only two would make it to eighth grade because the learning process is so brutal that the mortality rate is staggering. If God intended for us to figure out how to cure a plague on our own rather than explaining it directly, then the fact that millions have died during that trial-and-error phase suggests to me that there is a fundamental flaw in this God and his methodology for imparting knowledge.
Brian Campbell3 Brian Campbell3 Newcomer
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#88 ·
Jesus told her, "I am the resurrection and the life. Anyone who believes in me will live, even if they die." Honestly, isn't God's whole point to make sure we get that eternal life instead of just dragging out these few decades we spend wandering around on Earth? It's like, the consequences of sin, sickness, and food shortages have to actually play out so we can see what happens when we drift away from God. And let's be real, God is trying to heal us from something way more lethal than any disease or famine you'll find in the States—He's targeting the worst fallout of sin, which is selfishness. Because unless we're cured of that specific sickness, how are we supposed to live with God forever?
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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#89 ·
Brian Campbell3 said:Jesus told her, "I am the resurrection and the life. Anyone who believes in me will live, even if they die." Honestly, isn't God's whole point to make sure we get that eternal life instead of just dragging out these few decades we spend wandering around on Earth? It's like, the consequences of sin, sickness, and food shortages have to actually play out so we can see what happens when we drift away from God. And let's be real, God is trying to heal us from something way more lethal than any disease or famine you'll find in the States—He's targeting the worst fallout of sin, which is selfishness. Because unless we're cured of that specific sickness, how are we supposed to live with God forever?

Oh boy... so you're saying there was no eternal life before 33 A.D.? That everything just ended at death?
What kind of God is so cruel that He divides His creation into those who lived before 33 and those after, and only focuses on one tiny corner of the globe???

Talk about arrogance...
Brian Campbell3 Brian Campbell3 Newcomer
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#90 ·
wearyowl29 said:Oh boy... so you're saying there was no eternal life before 33 A.D.? That everything just ended at death?
What kind of God is so cruel that He divides His creation into those who lived before 33 and those after, and only focuses on one tiny corner of the globe???

Talk about arrogance...

'So then, just as through the trespass of one man judgment came upon all people, so through the righteousness of one man's act the justification that leads to life comes to all people.' Basically, what I'm saying is everyone—from the very first person to the absolute last—is going to find salvation through Jesus. God's the one who controls the clock, after all.
electricranger16 electricranger16 Member
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#91 ·
Brian Campbell3 said:'So then, just as through the trespass of one man judgment came upon all people, so through the righteousness of one man's act the justification that leads to life comes to all people.' Basically, what I'm saying is everyone—from the very first person to the absolute last—is going to find salvation through Jesus. God's the one who controls the clock, after all.

I don't buy it. God isn't anything special in that regard. He can't exactly be the master of time when he isn't even time itself. Time just moves right past him... it doesn't matter.
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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#92 ·
Brian Campbell3 said:'So then, just as through the trespass of one man judgment came upon all people, so through the righteousness of one man's act the justification that leads to life comes to all people.' Basically, what I'm saying is everyone—from the very first person to the absolute last—is going to find salvation through Jesus. God's the one who controls the clock, after all.

I don't know about that. People will be saved by their own actions, not by some commissar version of Christ.
electricranger16 electricranger16 Member
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#93 ·
wearyowl29 said:I don't know about that. People will be saved by their own actions, not by some commissar version of Christ.

So you're saying we won't be saved by our deeds OR by Jesus? I don't get it. Maybe it's because you're already saved just as you are, and you just need to open your eyes to the truth.
Jesus is wonderful, truly wonderful—a brilliant example to follow. I LOVE YOU, JESUS !!!!!!! with all my heart!!!
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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electricranger16 said:So you're saying we won't be saved by our deeds OR by Jesus? I don't get it. Maybe it's because you're already saved just as you are, and you just need to open your eyes to the truth.
Jesus is wonderful, truly wonderful—a brilliant example to follow. I LOVE YOU, JESUS !!!!!!! with all my heart!!!

You have to be kidding me... right?
electricranger16 electricranger16 Member
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#95 ·
wearyowl29 said:You have to be kidding me... right?

No, you aren't saved by your works. You just aren't. You're already saved—that's the truth, plain and simple.
You could basically do whatever you want and you'd still be saved. That’s the whole point. That’s all the wisdom or truth you'll ever need. Whether you want to believe it or not...
what do you think about "Commissioner Jesus"? I mean, you clearly haven't grasped a single thing about him... you're sleeping on the job. WAKE UP!
Alex Martin2 Alex Martin2 Newcomer
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#96 ·
Probably because we’d end up becoming gods ourselves.
Ronald Nelson2 Ronald Nelson2 Member
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#97 ·
Nancy Wilson2 said:It is that specific condition where one is born entirely oblivious to their true origins within the higher spheres—born into a world saturated with individuals in much the same state. They are disconnected from the Source. From infancy, they are fed guilt and shame; they are indoctrinated with nonsense, essentially being conditioned to destroy the very life that is, on the highest scale, sovereign. One spends an entire lifetime in this particular state of consciousness, only to be cycled back here upon death because the necessary lessons were never truly mastered. Therefore, for me, Satan is simply the state of consciousness inhabited by any life force that has become severed from its own essence.

And it is thanks to that disconnection that we have everything you see surrounding you today.

Satan represents everything that people accept with open arms—both within themselves and in the world around them—only to die within that acceptance and be reborn, all because of things they were forced to embrace from birth. In my view, these patterns are quite obvious.

There was once a time when we were guided not by Satanic consciousness, but by the consciousness of the Creator. That is a state of being that almost none of us have ever actually experienced—love at its absolute highest level. Not the version of love we are taught from childhood, which is merely one of many manipulations and falsehoods introduced by the Lucifer Collective several millennia ago.

The primary manifestations of this Satanic consciousness are murder, suicide, hatred—everything you witness daily if you look closely enough, or even just read about it. Even the clothes you wear are products of that consciousness; the water you drink, the food you consume, the very thoughts you think... I suppose I needn't go any further.

Satan is truly the master of the human race.
A master who is worshipped through various religions and so-called "good" gods—deities who, curiously enough, possess all the hallmarks of Satanic consciousness: anger, hatred, killing, judgment, hierarchy, and so on. This serves as proof that these are all false, fabricated idols.

This is something we are all part of, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. You, as much as I, are part of Satan. The greatest resistance one can offer is to reject the ego and hatred, and instead cultivate a deeper understanding of oneself and others. Naturally, this also involves reducing our consumption of everything produced by that same system.

I agree with you. The music we listen to, the things we buy, politics... essentially, everything is under Satan's domain. Why? Because humanity sold itself to the devil, and that is why so many suffer. I am fully aware of this. We are a part of this machine, and in a way, we finance it ourselves.
But I believe in God. I pray to God, and amidst all this evil, I try my hardest to be good and to do good. And I won't give up, because my faith is unshakable.
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#98 ·
It seems to me that for many believers, rational arguments only hold water when they conveniently support their existing worldview. The moment things get murky or hit a logical paradox, they immediately retreat into calling upon a higher power, claiming that the human mind simply isn't equipped to grasp the full complexity of a divine being. There is a certain beauty in that devotion, I suppose, but there is also a profound absurdity to it. For anyone who truly values logic and reason, that is precisely where the road has to end.
Harold Doyle3 Harold Doyle3 Active Member
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#99 ·
wearyowl29 said:Oh, absolutely! But you’ve got to sell him on the idea first... and honestly, what better cover could you ask for than divine intervention? It’s such an easy shortcut straight into the worlds of high-stakes marketing and politics.

It depends.

Your whole premise assumes an atheist manipulator working on a believer. That’s one way to look at it.
If both parties are atheists, then the tactic changes: you just convince the manipulator that they actually *can* influence the target.
If the manipulator is a believer, then they’re simply converting the non-believer until the target finally "sees God."
And if everyone involved is a believer? Well, then we just call it the will of God.

But since we've brought up fish—and I mean the symbol itself—I find myself drifting back toward those old Chinese philosophies mixed with some Christian undertones.
Harold Doyle3 Harold Doyle3 Active Member
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#100 ·
Susan Green15 said:That is precisely my point. Jesus could have simply healed someone (given them the fish) instead of forcing them to acquire the knowledge to heal themselves (teaching them how to fish).
If you encounter a starving person and choose to lecture them on fishing techniques rather than just handing over a meal, they’re going to die from sheer exhaustion before they even manage to cast a net into the water.
Similarly, if a person is suffering from a plague, they might very well pass away before they can master the science of their own recovery.

So, if God designed the curriculum such that millions must perish before we grasp the answers, I find that concept anything but noble. Imagine if you sent your child to an American school where there were 30 students in a class, yet you knew through certain experience that only two would make it to eighth grade because the learning process is so brutal that the mortality rate is staggering. If God intended for us to figure out how to cure a plague on our own rather than explaining it directly, then the fact that millions have died during that trial-and-error phase suggests to me that there is a fundamental flaw in this God and his methodology for imparting knowledge.

Once man took a bite from that apple at the buffet of infinite knowledge, he grabbed life by the horns and became Bogolik.
The path we’re on is paved with suffering, much like the Stations of the Cross (notice the parallel!), but the goal—whether that's finding God or becoming one—is a journey we have to take alone.
Maybe Christians believe their version of Simon Cirenac is actually Jesus.

Note:
This is just my subjective take. This is how I personally interpret and experience things, nothing more.

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