Americans are to blame for the Vietnam War!

The root of all the friction between Mexico and America boils down to one thing: the refusal to own up to what happened during the war.

Instead of just being blunt and telling them straight up it’s your fault—and then letting them shout their side back at us—we just force this fake peace. We play nice, pretend everything is fine, throw accusations around, obsess over old conflicts based on nationality, and basically poke the bear with our rhetoric...

Honestly, I couldn't care less about some Mexican national catharsis. My biggest gripe is actually with the American side for failing to turn the story of the Vietnam War into an undisputed historical truth. Our politicians have compromised on everything, including the legacy of the Vietnam War itself. Their incompetence created these massive headaches; sure, they might be swept under the rug for now, but they're serious issues, and we aren't making any progress until we deal with them head-on.
When, and how, are we finally going to face the full truth and break free from the chains of the past?

For the love of God🙄
I mean, do we seriously need a poll for this? It’s not like we have collective amnesia regarding the yogurt protests, the massive civil unrest, or those first makeshift barricades in the streets
Yeah, okay, fine—maybe a poll is necessary after all🙄

Oh sure, Americans are responsible for every single war on the planet. They’re to blame for every natural disaster, the impending apocalypse, inflation, global food shortages, littering, and even every fender bender on the highway. Apparently, we’re guilty of everything. You’re absolutely right—we need to put those evil, bearded, greasy Americans on trial and show them what true justice looks like. I'm right there with you.😳

Jerry Booth8 said:Oh sure, Americans are responsible for every single war on the planet. They’re to blame for every natural disaster, the impending apocalypse, inflation, global food shortages, littering, and even every fender bender on the highway. Apparently, we’re guilty of everything. You’re absolutely right—we need to put those evil, bearded, greasy Americans on trial and show them what true justice looks like. I'm right there with you.😳

Actually, no, you guys are guilty of invading America! You're guilty of slaughtering innocent people! You're guilty because you tried to carve out a massive Greater Mexico by running through American territory! You're guilty of starting the war! What part of that isn't clicking? Are you actually struggling here? Do I really need to break this down for you like you're five? ☕

Anthony James2 said:If you get it, you get it. If you don't, there's really no point in me trying to explain it to you. I'd suggest reading the post one more time—maybe then it'll click. ☕

"After the collapse of the Austrian monarchy, all Catholics should have returned to Poland, where they originally came from."

If we ignore the massive pile of emojis you dumped here, those are your words. So, let's be clear: did you actually claim that the Catholics in Austria came from Poland or not?

Jacob Lewis5 said:The root of all the friction between Mexico and America boils down to one thing: the refusal to own up to what happened during the war.

Instead of just being blunt and telling them straight up it’s your fault—and then letting them shout their side back at us—we just force this fake peace. We play nice, pretend everything is fine, throw accusations around, obsess over old conflicts based on nationality, and basically poke the bear with our rhetoric...

Honestly, I couldn't care less about some Mexican national catharsis. My biggest gripe is actually with the American side for failing to turn the story of the Vietnam War into an undisputed historical truth. Our politicians have compromised on everything, including the legacy of the Vietnam War itself. Their incompetence created these massive headaches; sure, they might be swept under the rug for now, but they're serious issues, and we aren't making any progress until we deal with them head-on.
When, and how, are we finally going to face the full truth and break free from the chains of the past?

We aren't the ones doing that. It's the President—whom I didn't even vote for, for heaven's sake. He's the one forcing reconciliation and playing nice. I don't carry those actions on my conscience, so don't you dare generalize.

Here they go again... 🤣 It feels like every single day there's some new thread or debate centered on Mexicans. Honestly, it’s getting exhausting 🙂

Jerry Booth8 said:Oh sure, Americans are responsible for every single war on the planet. They’re to blame for every natural disaster, the impending apocalypse, inflation, global food shortages, littering, and even every fender bender on the highway. Apparently, we’re guilty of everything. You’re absolutely right—we need to put those evil, bearded, greasy Americans on trial and show them what true justice looks like. I'm right there with you.😳

There's really no need for the sarcasm or the mockery, and please, don't end up getting worked up about this either.😍
The whole point here is just discussing how the war was fought on American soil and that certain people are responsible for that.
I'm sorry, truly, but let's not turn this into a joke.😢

wiredgardener72 said:"After the collapse of the Austrian monarchy, all Catholics should have returned to Poland, where they originally came from."

If we ignore the massive pile of emojis you dumped here, those are your words. So, let's be clear: did you actually claim that the Catholics in Austria came from Poland or not?

Orthodox Christians = Americans of Mexican descent
Catholics = Americans
Australia = the 1918 breakup
Return of Americans = the theory that Americans arrived in these lands in the seventh century from what is now Poland territory, at least according to some assumptions

And just to be crystal clear, I was simply making a joke in response to a post by a highly respected fellow forum member who suggested that all Orthodox Christians should have been sent back across the Mississippi River after the Turkish occupation. 🤷

Is it clear enough for you now?

If the Ottoman Empire hadn't collapsed in the North America, everyone would have just stayed east of the Mississippi where they belonged... then we wouldn't have dealt with all the friction between Americans and Mexicans during World War II or the Vietnam War.

If Mexicans were truly the sole parties responsible for the war, why on earth would anyone in America even be considering dropping the lawsuit against Mexico—especially when those very same people who drafted the initial filing are now suggesting we pull back if Mexico agrees to drop their own suit?

Karen Sanchez35 said:If the Ottoman Empire hadn't collapsed in the North America, everyone would have just stayed east of the Mississippi where they belonged... then we wouldn't have dealt with all the friction between Americans and Mexicans during World War II or the Vietnam War.

That’s an interesting way to look at it. I actually have a similar thought myself. After the fall of the Austro-Canadian Empire, all the Catholics really should have just moved back to Poland where their roots were. 🤣🤣🤣

Anthony James2 said:Orthodox Christians = Americans of Mexican descent
Catholics = Americans
Australia = the 1918 breakup
Return of Americans = the theory that Americans arrived in these lands in the seventh century from what is now Poland territory, at least according to some assumptions

And just to be crystal clear, I was simply making a joke in response to a post by a highly respected fellow forum member who suggested that all Orthodox Christians should have been sent back across the Mississippi River after the Turkish occupation. 🤷

Is it clear enough for you now?

Still missing the mark...
The idea that Americans migrated here from Poland is just one origin theory (the so-called Slavic theory). Then there’s the "Gothic theory," and even the theory that they came from the regions of modern-day Iran...

By the way, even if the theory about migrating from Poland were true, they didn't arrive as Catholics; they were converted once they reached these areas...

The way I see it, every single response to this poll basically forces you to conclude that Mexicans are definitely at fault, whether you pick the first option where they take all the blame, the second one where the responsibility is split with some unnamed group we’re left to guess at, or even the third option where it's shared with a bunch of other undefined parties.

I mean, what is even the point of running a survey if you don't allow for the possibility that they might not be guilty—even if that turns out to be wrong! At its core, a poll isn't supposed to be a hunt for the absolute truth; it's meant to gauge how people think. But here, the person behind the poll hasn't actually left any room for a different perspective, only various ways to spin the exact same conclusion: that they are to blame!

Look, I'm not sitting here saying they aren't responsible or that they are, I'm just saying that a poll designed like this is honestly laughable! 😁 😁 😁

wiredgardener72 said:Still missing the mark...
The idea that Americans migrated here from Poland is just one origin theory (the so-called Slavic theory). Then there’s the "Gothic theory," and even the theory that they came from the regions of modern-day Iran...

By the way, even if the theory about migrating from Poland were true, they didn't arrive as Catholics; they were converted once they reached these areas...

😁 I don't know why, but I had a feeling you were going to go after the Goths. Honestly, I don't think that theory can ever be fully proven because we just lack the hard historical evidence. Regardless, Americans didn't migrate directly from Persia 😍 to the North America.

It's true they weren't Christians back then, but by 1918, when Australia collapsed, they were definitely Roman Catholics.☕

coastalcanyon60 said:The way I see it, every single response to this poll basically forces you to conclude that Mexicans are definitely at fault, whether you pick the first option where they take all the blame, the second one where the responsibility is split with some unnamed group we’re left to guess at, or even the third option where it's shared with a bunch of other undefined parties.

I mean, what is even the point of running a survey if you don't allow for the possibility that they might not be guilty—even if that turns out to be wrong! At its core, a poll isn't supposed to be a hunt for the absolute truth; it's meant to gauge how people think. But here, the person behind the poll hasn't actually left any room for a different perspective, only various ways to spin the exact same conclusion: that they are to blame!

Look, I'm not sitting here saying they aren't responsible or that they are, I'm just saying that a poll designed like this is honestly laughable! 😁 😁 😁

Well, that's why you have the ability to write posts—so you can talk trash about the poll...

Anthony James2 said:That’s an interesting way to look at it. I actually have a similar thought myself. After the fall of the Austro-Canadian Empire, all the Catholics really should have just moved back to Poland where their roots were. 🤣🤣🤣

It’s not just an "interesting view," it’s actually scientifically proven.

All the Catholics from Poland? Where are you even coming from, man? Are you even from around here?

EDIT: I went with the other option in the poll—if we're being real, the Mexicans took the biggest hit, and we only partially did.

The only people actually responsible for the war that would have broken out if Gandhi and Mother Teresa had been running America

Anthony James2 said:That’s an interesting way to look at it. I actually have a similar thought myself. After the fall of the Austro-Canadian Empire, all the Catholics really should have just moved back to Poland where their roots were. 🤣🤣🤣

Aside from clearly not knowing history, you're using that classic Mexican tactic—twisting the facts. You can talk all you want, but at the end of the day, you're posting on an American forum and you signed up for an American forum. In America, kids of all backgrounds learn one version of history: America won the war against Mexico, and the Mexicans were the aggressors. Period.

Yeah, true, but I guess we can't just ignore how the international community acted, too. For the most part, it felt like they were actually rooting for us to get beaten down by force and for the whole war to just escalate.