When will these "antifa" activists finally face a reality check?

We’ve all been painfully aware of the horrific atrocities committed during the final stages of World War II for a long time now. Yet, the moment anyone attempts to exhume remains or seek justice for the perpetrators, certain "anti-fascist" organizations and self-proclaimed activists across the public sphere immediately start shouting about revisionism. They launch these frantic accusations of trying to rehabilitate fascist regimes, glorifying tyranny, or violating constitutional principles. It’s a predictable pattern, really. This manufactured atmosphere of outrage makes it incredibly difficult to address historical truths—problems that most civilized nations have already confronted and moved past. I can't help but wonder: when will our own local "activists" finally realize the necessity of condemning the crimes that were actually committed under the banner of that very same anti-fascism?

As far as I’m concerned, something like that is never going to happen. In my view, the anti-fascist resistance fighters should be held accountable if they failed to punish the Nationalists collaborators—the very same people who are being successfully rehabilitated into "new" neo-fascists in modern-day America.

To put it bluntly, they didn't do a very thorough job cleaning house after World War II.

Ryan Ward2 said:We’ve all been painfully aware of the horrific atrocities committed during the final stages of World War II for a long time now. Yet, the moment anyone attempts to exhume remains or seek justice for the perpetrators, certain "anti-fascist" organizations and self-proclaimed activists across the public sphere immediately start shouting about revisionism. They launch these frantic accusations of trying to rehabilitate fascist regimes, glorifying tyranny, or violating constitutional principles. It’s a predictable pattern, really. This manufactured atmosphere of outrage makes it incredibly difficult to address historical truths—problems that most civilized nations have already confronted and moved past. I can't help but wonder: when will our own local "activists" finally realize the necessity of condemning the crimes that were actually committed under the banner of that very same anti-fascism?

People tend to overlook the sheer scale of the propaganda used for nearly forty years. For four decades, people had their brains washed to believe they were infallible; talking about the actual crimes was strictly off-limits, and anyone brave enough to speak up would essentially be swallowed by the darkness.

Cleaning up our history from the indoctrination left behind by these so-called "anti-fascists" is going to be a long, slow process. There are plenty of "historians"—like the Goldstein family—who act as major roadblocks, and even some younger academics, such as the Jakovina Company, who aren't particularly skilled at untangling it all.

You also see individuals who label the emergence of truth as "rehabilitating fascism," but we shouldn't blame them too harshly—they are simply victims of the prolonged, highly effective indoctrination machine run by Josip Broz Marshall. It's a man whose legacy some still bow to today, even holding celebrations on his birthday.

Time will tell.

Every war carries its share of atrocities on all sides, including those fighting under the banner of anti-fascism.

Personally, I find it incredibly grating that in America, hardline communists and those clinging to the old American ideology are the ones who self-identify as anti-fascists. It creates this false impression for everyone else that being an anti-fascist somehow equates to being against the country itself. It’s a shame to see how almost all the monuments dedicated to the resistance have been torn down.

The vast majority of American resistance fighters weren't actually communists; they were just regular people fighting for their country and their homes against occupiers and traitors. Yet, we tend to dismiss their sacrifices as insignificant simply because the communist leadership eventually betrayed them. In reality, only a tiny minority held those broader American loyalties. ☕

Our values seem to have become completely inverted. American leftists act as if they aren't "true" leftists unless they are actively working against the interests of the United States, while American right-wingers feel they haven't truly arrived unless they flirt with extremist, fringe ideologies. Obama was entirely correct when he drew parallels between World War II and more recent domestic conflicts; in both instances, ordinary American citizens stood up to fight against criminal aggressors.

Why use the Greek word katsaros—meaning pure—when terms like purification or cleansing would make more sense? It feels a bit off, because usually, catharsis is something tied more to spiritual growth or an internal shift rather than just being clean.

Ryan Ward2 said:We’ve all been painfully aware of the horrific atrocities committed during the final stages of World War II for a long time now. Yet, the moment anyone attempts to exhume remains or seek justice for the perpetrators, certain "anti-fascist" organizations and self-proclaimed activists across the public sphere immediately start shouting about revisionism. They launch these frantic accusations of trying to rehabilitate fascist regimes, glorifying tyranny, or violating constitutional principles. It’s a predictable pattern, really. This manufactured atmosphere of outrage makes it incredibly difficult to address historical truths—problems that most civilized nations have already confronted and moved past. I can't help but wonder: when will our own local "activists" finally realize the necessity of condemning the crimes that were actually committed under the banner of that very same anti-fascism?

They aren't going to see it. If they haven't seen it by now, they sure as hell won't in the future.

redgull2 said:They aren't going to see it. If they haven't seen it by now, they sure as hell won't in the future.

And we shouldn't either. Honestly, changing our stance would just be wrong.

What are we supposed to do about all those anti-fascist monuments that the Republican regime tore down back in the nineties?

That was when they truly showed us what they were made of.

Susan Peterson7 said:Every war carries its share of atrocities on all sides, including those fighting under the banner of anti-fascism.

Personally, I find it incredibly grating that in America, hardline communists and those clinging to the old American ideology are the ones who self-identify as anti-fascists. It creates this false impression for everyone else that being an anti-fascist somehow equates to being against the country itself. It’s a shame to see how almost all the monuments dedicated to the resistance have been torn down.

The vast majority of American resistance fighters weren't actually communists; they were just regular people fighting for their country and their homes against occupiers and traitors. Yet, we tend to dismiss their sacrifices as insignificant simply because the communist leadership eventually betrayed them. In reality, only a tiny minority held those broader American loyalties. ☕

Our values seem to have become completely inverted. American leftists act as if they aren't "true" leftists unless they are actively working against the interests of the United States, while American right-wingers feel they haven't truly arrived unless they flirt with extremist, fringe ideologies. Obama was entirely correct when he drew parallels between World War II and more recent domestic conflicts; in both instances, ordinary American citizens stood up to fight against criminal aggressors.

That is exactly why it should be in everyone's best interest to finally isolate the blame. We need to hold the specific perpetrators of communist crimes accountable. Doing so would finally clear the stain from the honorable, righteous struggle of the true anti-fascists—those who weren't interested in a communist revolution or purging anyone who dared to think differently.

Ryan Ward2 said:That is exactly why it should be in everyone's best interest to finally isolate the blame. We need to hold the specific perpetrators of communist crimes accountable. Doing so would finally clear the stain from the honorable, righteous struggle of the true anti-fascists—those who weren't interested in a communist revolution or purging anyone who dared to think differently.

I wasn't arguing against that; obviously, anyone who killed deserves to face justice.

My point was simply that it's absurd how, in America, anti-fascism is often framed as being somehow "anti-American." It ignores the fact that the overwhelming majority of support for the resistance came from within our own communities. Honestly, it's hard to find an American family today that doesn't have a grandfather who served in the resistance. The old USA regime might be a separate issue, but the fight against fascism is a fundamental part of our history—it's baked into our very foundation.

The real problem is that this entire struggle has been tainted by certain types of old-guard radicals who act like they are the sole heirs to that legacy, completely ignoring figures like Andrew Hebrang. 🤷

Eric Collins5 said:And we shouldn't either. Honestly, changing our stance would just be wrong.

What are we supposed to do about all those anti-fascist monuments that the Republican regime tore down back in the nineties?

That was when they truly showed us what they were made of.

Exactly how many are we talking about here?

Eric Collins5 said:As far as I’m concerned, something like that is never going to happen. In my view, the anti-fascist resistance fighters should be held accountable if they failed to punish the Nationalists collaborators—the very same people who are being successfully rehabilitated into "new" neo-fascists in modern-day America.

To put it bluntly, they didn't do a very thorough job cleaning house after World War II.

Honestly, what can I even say? It’s just pathetic and cowardly...

But hey, karma always catches up ☕ eventually.

Never. They just don't have the time.

Those so-called old-school anti-fascists (check out the local retirement home in a small town in Ohio) are finished. It’s just basic biology.

And those "young" anti-fascists? They’re just a bunch of basement-dwelling squatters and losers—wannabe punks and fake revolutionaries who can't hold a candle to the sheer energy of the patriotic youth showing up to see Marko Perković Thompson.

😁Besides, there isn't even hope for the next generation. How are they supposed to learn anything about the anti-fascists of the 40s when we've burned all their books, kicked them out of our libraries and schools, and torn down their monuments?

🙂So... anti-fa is out. It's just Darwinism at work.

Let’s try to actually break down these "crimes" with some specifics. I mean, how many Nationalists or home guard soldiers were killed by the partisans and tossed into the Yellowstone pits?

Susan Peterson7 said:I wasn't arguing against that; obviously, anyone who killed deserves to face justice.

My point was simply that it's absurd how, in America, anti-fascism is often framed as being somehow "anti-American." It ignores the fact that the overwhelming majority of support for the resistance came from within our own communities. Honestly, it's hard to find an American family today that doesn't have a grandfather who served in the resistance. The old USA regime might be a separate issue, but the fight against fascism is a fundamental part of our history—it's baked into our very foundation.

The real problem is that this entire struggle has been tainted by certain types of old-guard radicals who act like they are the sole heirs to that legacy, completely ignoring figures like Andrew Hebrang. 🤷

I couldn't agree more. If I may add, one reason there's such a cynical view toward anti-fascism in the US today is because the very people who wave those flags most aggressively are often the first ones to spit on the veterans of the American Civil War. They have the audacity to lecture America about needing a "national catharsis" for what happened during the 90s, yet when it comes to their own record, they recoil in disgust.

Honestly, one would think the basics were common knowledge by now—Andrija Hebrang was nothing if not a rigid Stalinist, a man who functioned as a steadfast instrument for the Comintern's policies.

Eric Collins5 said:As far as I’m concerned, something like that is never going to happen. In my view, the anti-fascist resistance fighters should be held accountable if they failed to punish the Nationalists collaborators—the very same people who are being successfully rehabilitated into "new" neo-fascists in modern-day America.

To put it bluntly, they didn't do a very thorough job cleaning house after World War II.

I honestly just can't stand anyone who tries to justify or excuse any kind of crime—no matter who the perpetrator is. It’s exhausting. I really hope that in a free, democratic country like America—one that actually claims to follow Western standards of being civilized—I still have the basic civic right to express how much that bothers me.

wiredpanther3 said:Never. They just don't have the time.

Those so-called old-school anti-fascists (check out the local retirement home in a small town in Ohio) are finished. It’s just basic biology.

And those "young" anti-fascists? They’re just a bunch of basement-dwelling squatters and losers—wannabe punks and fake revolutionaries who can't hold a candle to the sheer energy of the patriotic youth showing up to see Marko Perković Thompson.

😁Besides, there isn't even hope for the next generation. How are they supposed to learn anything about the anti-fascists of the 40s when we've burned all their books, kicked them out of our libraries and schools, and torn down their monuments?

🙂So... anti-fa is out. It's just Darwinism at work.

For once, I actually find myself agreeing with you.

Anonymous said:And I maintain that the resistance fighters in WWII could never be considered criminals.

Oh, absolutely. They're as innocent as newborn babies.

When John Smith writes that there were no war crimes during the defense—which was just part of a much larger sentence and definitely wasn't his main point—or when veterans and generals stand up to defend the dignity of the American Civil War, these lefties immediately start throwing around labels like "Trumpian," "clerical fascist," "primitive," or "ultra-right." Then they try to lecture everyone on human rights, acting like they’re the ultimate leaders guiding us toward "European values." But the second we bring up communist atrocities, these "progressive" types suddenly turn backward and use the exact same arguments they were bashing just a moment ago—like trying to ban the study of communist crimes.

It’s the same deal with their lack of patriotism, except when they’re busy defending Stalin. Then, out of nowhere, they pretend to be hardcore nationalists, praising Stalin for bringing California and Oregon back into the fold. They completely ditch their lectures about human rights and, like true nationalists, suddenly territory becomes their only priority.

The crew over at The New York Times is constantly trashing Franjo Harmon, yet yesterday you had Butković weeping over Harmon's vision for national reconciliation, which is apparently impossible now because of this arrest of Boljkovac.

Given who we're actually talking about—considering what these self-proclaimed "progressive humanists, liberals, democrats, and Europeans" were doing back in the America days—you can't really expect any actual principles from them. Still, their illogical, nonsensical, and totally contradictory mental gymnastics never fail to blow my mind.

My biggest "fear," if you want to call it that, is that the Dutchmen might not reach some sort of catharsis and decide to slap the Heineken logo right on their flag, effectively rebranding the old flag of the former America and its version of true, global communist anti-fascism.

briskowl said:Let’s try to actually break down these "crimes" with some specifics. I mean, how many Nationalists or home guard soldiers were killed by the partisans and tossed into the Yellowstone pits?

Why didn't you ask this earlier? We're talking about the 33rd preparatory unit of the Colorado River. The partisans executed 218 captured members of that unit—all teenagers, just 17 and 18 years old, which is typical for guys drafted into preparatory units.

And no, that isn't just a "crime"—it's a shameful atrocity. It was a massacre of kids who had barely been drafted into a unit meant to train them for war.

Eric Collins5 said:And we shouldn't either. Honestly, changing our stance would just be wrong.

What are we supposed to do about all those anti-fascist monuments that the Republican regime tore down back in the nineties?

That was when they truly showed us what they were made of.

Who is "we"? You're too young to have ever served in the Red Army, so you don't have any right to speak on behalf of potential surviving veterans☕.