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Animal cruelty nightmare: "They're spitting on my wife, my kids are scared to go to school, and now

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Dennis Bailey2 said:[No content provided to rewrite.]

A valid syllogism—as precise as proper grammar.

So, nothing? Not even a flicker of movement? 🤔 For someone speaking with that much self-righteousness, you’re clearly pretty ill-informed. ☕
Look, most of the animal welfare groups out there aren't just acting alone. They’re all bundled together into this massive network of associations that handles everything from local rescues to broader advocacy—covering pretty much every species you can think of, not just the stray dogs. ☕
To be perfectly clear, what you've written here is simply untrue.

🤦

This is the classic playbook used by people who don't actually care about helping anyone—they only care about themselves. It’s a pattern of deflection. When you support animal rescues, they ask, "Why aren't you helping people instead?" When you help addicts, they claim, "Why waste resources on that loser instead of someone deserving?" If you support people living with HIV, they pivot to, "Why help those degenerates when there are honest people in need?" And if you donate to hungry kids in Africa, they whine, "Why look abroad when we have plenty of poverty right here in the States?" Strip away the moral posturing and the truth is much uglier. What they’re really saying is: "Stop spending your money on them and give it to me."

Get this through your head: helping anyone is a noble act. It doesn't matter if that person is just one individual or an entire planet. Whether someone decides to dedicate their life like Mother Teresa, fight for a local neighborhood playground, or just toss a crust of bread to a stray cat—that’s their call to make. Every person has the right to spend their time, resources, and heart however they see fit; we don't all have to follow your directives. Any one of those acts is a million times more dignified than your petty bitterness and obvious hatred for everything living and breathing.

Oh, really? They haven't? 🤔 Are you suggesting that the bitch belonging to this "responsible gentleman"—who so humbly mismanaged her—didn't produce puppies thanks to his sheer irresponsibility, negligence, and lack of care? Did the puppies just spontaneously manifest in his lap? Did his bitch just happen to get pregnant despite him being such a diligent owner? Are you trying to say someone else is responsible for these puppies instead of him? Are you claiming dogs, as a species, exist for some other reason rather than because humans bred, raised, and kept them for themselves? 🤷 Please. We are talking about a domestic dog here, not a Great White Shark. A Great White Shark exists simply because it exists. I could argue this is more like a litter of Great White pups that just happened to end up in this guy's possession. But a domestic dog breeds exclusively when we allow it, specifically because we choose to care for them, and if we don't want that to happen, then for heaven's sake, we should ensure it DOESN'T happen. ☕

Comparing a child to a dog is disgusting, I agree, but the fact remains: owning an animal carries specific responsibilities. This includes the owner's duty to manage their pet or prevent its offspring from being born. It isn't rocket science; it's simple:
a) spay or neuter the dog,
b) isolate the dog during heat cycles,
c) don't own a dog at all, if you aren't willing to deal with its offspring or commit to options A or B.
Simple enough, right?

To those commenting on the bag: there are valid federal and state regulations regarding the transport of animals, including puppies. There are also standardized crates designed for safe, risk-free transport that are mandated by law.

This isn't a question of whether the puppies are cute or not. The gentleman broke the law, and he needs to answer for it. A heavy fine and a few weeks of forced community service—ideally at a local animal shelter where he can clean up after the sick dogs of other "responsible" owners just like him—would be the ideal punishment. Maybe our "modest gentleman" would actually think twice about why all this mess exists, which is funded by taxpayer dollars: his mess is caused by the dogs produced by irresponsible owners like him.

Everyone loves to attack non-profits, but it's easy to throw stones at others. What you don't realize is that the problem is YOURS. If we didn't have irresponsible gentlemen like the one described here, there wouldn't be abandoned animals, there wouldn't be shelters, and there wouldn't be money being spent on them. If individuals took responsibility for their actions—meaning, if they properly controlled their pets' breeding—millions of dollars—about $15 million just in a city like Chicago—could be spent on building playgrounds, daycares, and schools... instead of, well, someone has to clean up dog crap.

When it comes to those overzealous animal control officers, they belong in court just as much as this guy's buddies do. Attacking people isn't the solution. The real way forward is education and forcing the government agencies to actually do their jobs. Look, I get why the rescuers are frustrated, but I am NOT justifying their behavior.

The only takeaway here is that our legal system is even more dead than those dogs were. ☕

And as for what the kids are saying to his children... honestly, kids will be kids. They always seem to hit the nail right on the head.

I know the truth hurts.

Dennis Bailey2 said:[No content provided to rewrite.]

A valid syllogism—as precise as proper grammar.

So, nothing? Not even a flicker of movement? 🤔 For someone speaking with that much self-righteousness, you’re clearly pretty ill-informed. ☕
Look, most of the animal welfare groups out there aren't just acting alone. They’re all bundled together into this massive network of associations that handles everything from local rescues to broader advocacy—covering pretty much every species you can think of, not just the stray dogs. ☕
To be perfectly clear, what you've written here is simply untrue.

🤦

This is the classic playbook used by people who don't actually care about helping anyone—they only care about themselves. It’s a pattern of deflection. When you support animal rescues, they ask, "Why aren't you helping people instead?" When you help addicts, they claim, "Why waste resources on that loser instead of someone deserving?" If you support people living with HIV, they pivot to, "Why help those degenerates when there are honest people in need?" And if you donate to hungry kids in Africa, they whine, "Why look abroad when we have plenty of poverty right here in the States?" Strip away the moral posturing and the truth is much uglier. What they’re really saying is: "Stop spending your money on them and give it to me."

Get this through your head: helping anyone is a noble act. It doesn't matter if that person is just one individual or an entire planet. Whether someone decides to dedicate their life like Mother Teresa, fight for a local neighborhood playground, or just toss a crust of bread to a stray cat—that’s their call to make. Every person has the right to spend their time, resources, and heart however they see fit; we don't all have to follow your directives. Any one of those acts is a million times more dignified than your petty bitterness and obvious hatred for everything living and breathing.

Oh, really? They haven't? 🤔 Are you suggesting that the bitch belonging to this "responsible gentleman"—who so humbly mismanaged her—didn't produce puppies thanks to his sheer irresponsibility, negligence, and lack of care? Did the puppies just spontaneously manifest in his lap? Did his bitch just happen to get pregnant despite him being such a diligent owner? Are you trying to say someone else is responsible for these puppies instead of him? Are you claiming dogs, as a species, exist for some other reason rather than because humans bred, raised, and kept them for themselves? 🤷 Please. We are talking about a domestic dog here, not a Great White Shark. A Great White Shark exists simply because it exists. I could argue this is more like a litter of Great White pups that just happened to end up in this guy's possession. But a domestic dog breeds exclusively when we allow it, specifically because we choose to care for them, and if we don't want that to happen, then for heaven's sake, we should ensure it DOESN'T happen. ☕

Comparing a child to a dog is disgusting, I agree, but the fact remains: owning an animal carries specific responsibilities. This includes the owner's duty to manage their pet or prevent its offspring from being born. It isn't rocket science; it's simple:
a) spay or neuter the dog,
b) isolate the dog during heat cycles,
c) don't own a dog at all, if you aren't willing to deal with its offspring or commit to options A or B.
Simple enough, right?

To those commenting on the bag: there are valid federal and state regulations regarding the transport of animals, including puppies. There are also standardized crates designed for safe, risk-free transport that are mandated by law.

This isn't a question of whether the puppies are cute or not. The gentleman broke the law, and he needs to answer for it. A heavy fine and a few weeks of forced community service—ideally at a local animal shelter where he can clean up after the sick dogs of other "responsible" owners just like him—would be the ideal punishment. Maybe our "modest gentleman" would actually think twice about why all this mess exists, which is funded by taxpayer dollars: his mess is caused by the dogs produced by irresponsible owners like him.

Everyone loves to attack non-profits, but it's easy to throw stones at others. What you don't realize is that the problem is YOURS. If we didn't have irresponsible gentlemen like the one described here, there wouldn't be abandoned animals, there wouldn't be shelters, and there wouldn't be money being spent on them. If individuals took responsibility for their actions—meaning, if they properly controlled their pets' breeding—millions of dollars—about $15 million just in a city like Chicago—could be spent on building playgrounds, daycares, and schools... instead of, well, someone has to clean up dog crap.

When it comes to those overzealous animal control officers, they belong in court just as much as this guy's buddies do. Attacking people isn't the solution. The real way forward is education and forcing the government agencies to actually do their jobs. Look, I get why the rescuers are frustrated, but I am NOT justifying their behavior.

The only takeaway here is that our legal system is even more dead than those dogs were. ☕

And as for what the kids are saying to his children... honestly, kids will be kids. They always seem to hit the nail right on the head.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.
Dennis Bailey2 said:[No content provided to rewrite.]

A valid syllogism—as precise as proper grammar.

So, nothing? Not even a flicker of movement? 🤔 For someone speaking with that much self-righteousness, you’re clearly pretty ill-informed. ☕
Look, most of the animal welfare groups out there aren't just acting alone. They’re all bundled together into this massive network of associations that handles everything from local rescues to broader advocacy—covering pretty much every species you can think of, not just the stray dogs. ☕
To be perfectly clear, what you've written here is simply untrue.

🤦

This is the classic playbook used by people who don't actually care about helping anyone—they only care about themselves. It’s a pattern of deflection. When you support animal rescues, they ask, "Why aren't you helping people instead?" When you help addicts, they claim, "Why waste resources on that loser instead of someone deserving?" If you support people living with HIV, they pivot to, "Why help those degenerates when there are honest people in need?" And if you donate to hungry kids in Africa, they whine, "Why look abroad when we have plenty of poverty right here in the States?" Strip away the moral posturing and the truth is much uglier. What they’re really saying is: "Stop spending your money on them and give it to me."

Get this through your head: helping anyone is a noble act. It doesn't matter if that person is just one individual or an entire planet. Whether someone decides to dedicate their life like Mother Teresa, fight for a local neighborhood playground, or just toss a crust of bread to a stray cat—that’s their call to make. Every person has the right to spend their time, resources, and heart however they see fit; we don't all have to follow your directives. Any one of those acts is a million times more dignified than your petty bitterness and obvious hatred for everything living and breathing.

Oh, really? They haven't? 🤔 Are you suggesting that the bitch belonging to this "responsible gentleman"—who so humbly mismanaged her—didn't produce puppies thanks to his sheer irresponsibility, negligence, and lack of care? Did the puppies just spontaneously manifest in his lap? Did his bitch just happen to get pregnant despite him being such a diligent owner? Are you trying to say someone else is responsible for these puppies instead of him? Are you claiming dogs, as a species, exist for some other reason rather than because humans bred, raised, and kept them for themselves? 🤷 Please. We are talking about a domestic dog here, not a Great White Shark. A Great White Shark exists simply because it exists. I could argue this is more like a litter of Great White pups that just happened to end up in this guy's possession. But a domestic dog breeds exclusively when we allow it, specifically because we choose to care for them, and if we don't want that to happen, then for heaven's sake, we should ensure it DOESN'T happen. ☕

Comparing a child to a dog is disgusting, I agree, but the fact remains: owning an animal carries specific responsibilities. This includes the owner's duty to manage their pet or prevent its offspring from being born. It isn't rocket science; it's simple:
a) spay or neuter the dog,
b) isolate the dog during heat cycles,
c) don't own a dog at all, if you aren't willing to deal with its offspring or commit to options A or B.
Simple enough, right?

To those commenting on the bag: there are valid federal and state regulations regarding the transport of animals, including puppies. There are also standardized crates designed for safe, risk-free transport that are mandated by law.

This isn't a question of whether the puppies are cute or not. The gentleman broke the law, and he needs to answer for it. A heavy fine and a few weeks of forced community service—ideally at a local animal shelter where he can clean up after the sick dogs of other "responsible" owners just like him—would be the ideal punishment. Maybe our "modest gentleman" would actually think twice about why all this mess exists, which is funded by taxpayer dollars: his mess is caused by the dogs produced by irresponsible owners like him.

Everyone loves to attack non-profits, but it's easy to throw stones at others. What you don't realize is that the problem is YOURS. If we didn't have irresponsible gentlemen like the one described here, there wouldn't be abandoned animals, there wouldn't be shelters, and there wouldn't be money being spent on them. If individuals took responsibility for their actions—meaning, if they properly controlled their pets' breeding—millions of dollars—about $15 million just in a city like Chicago—could be spent on building playgrounds, daycares, and schools... instead of, well, someone has to clean up dog crap.

When it comes to those overzealous animal control officers, they belong in court just as much as this guy's buddies do. Attacking people isn't the solution. The real way forward is education and forcing the government agencies to actually do their jobs. Look, I get why the rescuers are frustrated, but I am NOT justifying their behavior.

The only takeaway here is that our legal system is even more dead than those dogs were. ☕

And as for what the kids are saying to his children... honestly, kids will be kids. They always seem to hit the nail right on the head.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕
Dennis Bailey2 said:[No content provided to rewrite.]

A valid syllogism—as precise as proper grammar.

So, nothing? Not even a flicker of movement? 🤔 For someone speaking with that much self-righteousness, you’re clearly pretty ill-informed. ☕
Look, most of the animal welfare groups out there aren't just acting alone. They’re all bundled together into this massive network of associations that handles everything from local rescues to broader advocacy—covering pretty much every species you can think of, not just the stray dogs. ☕
To be perfectly clear, what you've written here is simply untrue.

🤦

This is the classic playbook used by people who don't actually care about helping anyone—they only care about themselves. It’s a pattern of deflection. When you support animal rescues, they ask, "Why aren't you helping people instead?" When you help addicts, they claim, "Why waste resources on that loser instead of someone deserving?" If you support people living with HIV, they pivot to, "Why help those degenerates when there are honest people in need?" And if you donate to hungry kids in Africa, they whine, "Why look abroad when we have plenty of poverty right here in the States?" Strip away the moral posturing and the truth is much uglier. What they’re really saying is: "Stop spending your money on them and give it to me."

Get this through your head: helping anyone is a noble act. It doesn't matter if that person is just one individual or an entire planet. Whether someone decides to dedicate their life like Mother Teresa, fight for a local neighborhood playground, or just toss a crust of bread to a stray cat—that’s their call to make. Every person has the right to spend their time, resources, and heart however they see fit; we don't all have to follow your directives. Any one of those acts is a million times more dignified than your petty bitterness and obvious hatred for everything living and breathing.

Oh, really? They haven't? 🤔 Are you suggesting that the bitch belonging to this "responsible gentleman"—who so humbly mismanaged her—didn't produce puppies thanks to his sheer irresponsibility, negligence, and lack of care? Did the puppies just spontaneously manifest in his lap? Did his bitch just happen to get pregnant despite him being such a diligent owner? Are you trying to say someone else is responsible for these puppies instead of him? Are you claiming dogs, as a species, exist for some other reason rather than because humans bred, raised, and kept them for themselves? 🤷 Please. We are talking about a domestic dog here, not a Great White Shark. A Great White Shark exists simply because it exists. I could argue this is more like a litter of Great White pups that just happened to end up in this guy's possession. But a domestic dog breeds exclusively when we allow it, specifically because we choose to care for them, and if we don't want that to happen, then for heaven's sake, we should ensure it DOESN'T happen. ☕

Comparing a child to a dog is disgusting, I agree, but the fact remains: owning an animal carries specific responsibilities. This includes the owner's duty to manage their pet or prevent its offspring from being born. It isn't rocket science; it's simple:
a) spay or neuter the dog,
b) isolate the dog during heat cycles,
c) don't own a dog at all, if you aren't willing to deal with its offspring or commit to options A or B.
Simple enough, right?

To those commenting on the bag: there are valid federal and state regulations regarding the transport of animals, including puppies. There are also standardized crates designed for safe, risk-free transport that are mandated by law.

This isn't a question of whether the puppies are cute or not. The gentleman broke the law, and he needs to answer for it. A heavy fine and a few weeks of forced community service—ideally at a local animal shelter where he can clean up after the sick dogs of other "responsible" owners just like him—would be the ideal punishment. Maybe our "modest gentleman" would actually think twice about why all this mess exists, which is funded by taxpayer dollars: his mess is caused by the dogs produced by irresponsible owners like him.

Everyone loves to attack non-profits, but it's easy to throw stones at others. What you don't realize is that the problem is YOURS. If we didn't have irresponsible gentlemen like the one described here, there wouldn't be abandoned animals, there wouldn't be shelters, and there wouldn't be money being spent on them. If individuals took responsibility for their actions—meaning, if they properly controlled their pets' breeding—millions of dollars—about $15 million just in a city like Chicago—could be spent on building playgrounds, daycares, and schools... instead of, well, someone has to clean up dog crap.

When it comes to those overzealous animal control officers, they belong in court just as much as this guy's buddies do. Attacking people isn't the solution. The real way forward is education and forcing the government agencies to actually do their jobs. Look, I get why the rescuers are frustrated, but I am NOT justifying their behavior.

The only takeaway here is that our legal system is even more dead than those dogs were. ☕

And as for what the kids are saying to his children... honestly, kids will be kids. They always seem to hit the nail right on the head.

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Dennis Bailey2 said:[No content provided to rewrite.]

A valid syllogism—as precise as proper grammar.

So, nothing? Not even a flicker of movement? 🤔 For someone speaking with that much self-righteousness, you’re clearly pretty ill-informed. ☕
Look, most of the animal welfare groups out there aren't just acting alone. They’re all bundled together into this massive network of associations that handles everything from local rescues to broader advocacy—covering pretty much every species you can think of, not just the stray dogs. ☕
To be perfectly clear, what you've written here is simply untrue.

🤦

This is the classic playbook used by people who don't actually care about helping anyone—they only care about themselves. It’s a pattern of deflection. When you support animal rescues, they ask, "Why aren't you helping people instead?" When you help addicts, they claim, "Why waste resources on that loser instead of someone deserving?" If you support people living with HIV, they pivot to, "Why help those degenerates when there are honest people in need?" And if you donate to hungry kids in Africa, they whine, "Why look abroad when we have plenty of poverty right here in the States?" Strip away the moral posturing and the truth is much uglier. What they’re really saying is: "Stop spending your money on them and give it to me."

Get this through your head: helping anyone is a noble act. It doesn't matter if that person is just one individual or an entire planet. Whether someone decides to dedicate their life like Mother Teresa, fight for a local neighborhood playground, or just toss a crust of bread to a stray cat—that’s their call to make. Every person has the right to spend their time, resources, and heart however they see fit; we don't all have to follow your directives. Any one of those acts is a million times more dignified than your petty bitterness and obvious hatred for everything living and breathing.

Oh, really? They haven't? 🤔 Are you suggesting that the bitch belonging to this "responsible gentleman"—who so humbly mismanaged her—didn't produce puppies thanks to his sheer irresponsibility, negligence, and lack of care? Did the puppies just spontaneously manifest in his lap? Did his bitch just happen to get pregnant despite him being such a diligent owner? Are you trying to say someone else is responsible for these puppies instead of him? Are you claiming dogs, as a species, exist for some other reason rather than because humans bred, raised, and kept them for themselves? 🤷 Please. We are talking about a domestic dog here, not a Great White Shark. A Great White Shark exists simply because it exists. I could argue this is more like a litter of Great White pups that just happened to end up in this guy's possession. But a domestic dog breeds exclusively when we allow it, specifically because we choose to care for them, and if we don't want that to happen, then for heaven's sake, we should ensure it DOESN'T happen. ☕

Comparing a child to a dog is disgusting, I agree, but the fact remains: owning an animal carries specific responsibilities. This includes the owner's duty to manage their pet or prevent its offspring from being born. It isn't rocket science; it's simple:
a) spay or neuter the dog,
b) isolate the dog during heat cycles,
c) don't own a dog at all, if you aren't willing to deal with its offspring or commit to options A or B.
Simple enough, right?

To those commenting on the bag: there are valid federal and state regulations regarding the transport of animals, including puppies. There are also standardized crates designed for safe, risk-free transport that are mandated by law.

This isn't a question of whether the puppies are cute or not. The gentleman broke the law, and he needs to answer for it. A heavy fine and a few weeks of forced community service—ideally at a local animal shelter where he can clean up after the sick dogs of other "responsible" owners just like him—would be the ideal punishment. Maybe our "modest gentleman" would actually think twice about why all this mess exists, which is funded by taxpayer dollars: his mess is caused by the dogs produced by irresponsible owners like him.

Everyone loves to attack non-profits, but it's easy to throw stones at others. What you don't realize is that the problem is YOURS. If we didn't have irresponsible gentlemen like the one described here, there wouldn't be abandoned animals, there wouldn't be shelters, and there wouldn't be money being spent on them. If individuals took responsibility for their actions—meaning, if they properly controlled their pets' breeding—millions of dollars—about $15 million just in a city like Chicago—could be spent on building playgrounds, daycares, and schools... instead of, well, someone has to clean up dog crap.

When it comes to those overzealous animal control officers, they belong in court just as much as this guy's buddies do. Attacking people isn't the solution. The real way forward is education and forcing the government agencies to actually do their jobs. Look, I get why the rescuers are frustrated, but I am NOT justifying their behavior.

The only takeaway here is that our legal system is even more dead than those dogs were. ☕

And as for what the kids are saying to his children... honestly, kids will be kids. They always seem to hit the nail right on the head.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Dennis Bailey2 said:[No content provided to rewrite.]

A valid syllogism—as precise as proper grammar.

So, nothing? Not even a flicker of movement? 🤔 For someone speaking with that much self-righteousness, you’re clearly pretty ill-informed. ☕
Look, most of the animal welfare groups out there aren't just acting alone. They’re all bundled together into this massive network of associations that handles everything from local rescues to broader advocacy—covering pretty much every species you can think of, not just the stray dogs. ☕
To be perfectly clear, what you've written here is simply untrue.

🤦

This is the classic playbook used by people who don't actually care about helping anyone—they only care about themselves. It’s a pattern of deflection. When you support animal rescues, they ask, "Why aren't you helping people instead?" When you help addicts, they claim, "Why waste resources on that loser instead of someone deserving?" If you support people living with HIV, they pivot to, "Why help those degenerates when there are honest people in need?" And if you donate to hungry kids in Africa, they whine, "Why look abroad when we have plenty of poverty right here in the States?" Strip away the moral posturing and the truth is much uglier. What they’re really saying is: "Stop spending your money on them and give it to me."

Get this through your head: helping anyone is a noble act. It doesn't matter if that person is just one individual or an entire planet. Whether someone decides to dedicate their life like Mother Teresa, fight for a local neighborhood playground, or just toss a crust of bread to a stray cat—that’s their call to make. Every person has the right to spend their time, resources, and heart however they see fit; we don't all have to follow your directives. Any one of those acts is a million times more dignified than your petty bitterness and obvious hatred for everything living and breathing.

Oh, really? They haven't? 🤔 Are you suggesting that the bitch belonging to this "responsible gentleman"—who so humbly mismanaged her—didn't produce puppies thanks to his sheer irresponsibility, negligence, and lack of care? Did the puppies just spontaneously manifest in his lap? Did his bitch just happen to get pregnant despite him being such a diligent owner? Are you trying to say someone else is responsible for these puppies instead of him? Are you claiming dogs, as a species, exist for some other reason rather than because humans bred, raised, and kept them for themselves? 🤷 Please. We are talking about a domestic dog here, not a Great White Shark. A Great White Shark exists simply because it exists. I could argue this is more like a litter of Great White pups that just happened to end up in this guy's possession. But a domestic dog breeds exclusively when we allow it, specifically because we choose to care for them, and if we don't want that to happen, then for heaven's sake, we should ensure it DOESN'T happen. ☕

Comparing a child to a dog is disgusting, I agree, but the fact remains: owning an animal carries specific responsibilities. This includes the owner's duty to manage their pet or prevent its offspring from being born. It isn't rocket science; it's simple:
a) spay or neuter the dog,
b) isolate the dog during heat cycles,
c) don't own a dog at all, if you aren't willing to deal with its offspring or commit to options A or B.
Simple enough, right?

To those commenting on the bag: there are valid federal and state regulations regarding the transport of animals, including puppies. There are also standardized crates designed for safe, risk-free transport that are mandated by law.

This isn't a question of whether the puppies are cute or not. The gentleman broke the law, and he needs to answer for it. A heavy fine and a few weeks of forced community service—ideally at a local animal shelter where he can clean up after the sick dogs of other "responsible" owners just like him—would be the ideal punishment. Maybe our "modest gentleman" would actually think twice about why all this mess exists, which is funded by taxpayer dollars: his mess is caused by the dogs produced by irresponsible owners like him.

Everyone loves to attack non-profits, but it's easy to throw stones at others. What you don't realize is that the problem is YOURS. If we didn't have irresponsible gentlemen like the one described here, there wouldn't be abandoned animals, there wouldn't be shelters, and there wouldn't be money being spent on them. If individuals took responsibility for their actions—meaning, if they properly controlled their pets' breeding—millions of dollars—about $15 million just in a city like Chicago—could be spent on building playgrounds, daycares, and schools... instead of, well, someone has to clean up dog crap.

When it comes to those overzealous animal control officers, they belong in court just as much as this guy's buddies do. Attacking people isn't the solution. The real way forward is education and forcing the government agencies to actually do their jobs. Look, I get why the rescuers are frustrated, but I am NOT justifying their behavior.

The only takeaway here is that our legal system is even more dead than those dogs were. ☕

And as for what the kids are saying to his children... honestly, kids will be kids. They always seem to hit the nail right on the head.

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

Dennis Bailey2 said:[No content provided to rewrite.]

A valid syllogism—as precise as proper grammar.

So, nothing? Not even a flicker of movement? 🤔 For someone speaking with that much self-righteousness, you’re clearly pretty ill-informed. ☕
Look, most of the animal welfare groups out there aren't just acting alone. They’re all bundled together into this massive network of associations that handles everything from local rescues to broader advocacy—covering pretty much every species you can think of, not just the stray dogs. ☕
To be perfectly clear, what you've written here is simply untrue.

🤦

This is the classic playbook used by people who don't actually care about helping anyone—they only care about themselves. It’s a pattern of deflection. When you support animal rescues, they ask, "Why aren't you helping people instead?" When you help addicts, they claim, "Why waste resources on that loser instead of someone deserving?" If you support people living with HIV, they pivot to, "Why help those degenerates when there are honest people in need?" And if you donate to hungry kids in Africa, they whine, "Why look abroad when we have plenty of poverty right here in the States?" Strip away the moral posturing and the truth is much uglier. What they’re really saying is: "Stop spending your money on them and give it to me."

Get this through your head: helping anyone is a noble act. It doesn't matter if that person is just one individual or an entire planet. Whether someone decides to dedicate their life like Mother Teresa, fight for a local neighborhood playground, or just toss a crust of bread to a stray cat—that’s their call to make. Every person has the right to spend their time, resources, and heart however they see fit; we don't all have to follow your directives. Any one of those acts is a million times more dignified than your petty bitterness and obvious hatred for everything living and breathing.

Oh, really? They haven't? 🤔 Are you suggesting that the bitch belonging to this "responsible gentleman"—who so humbly mismanaged her—didn't produce puppies thanks to his sheer irresponsibility, negligence, and lack of care? Did the puppies just spontaneously manifest in his lap? Did his bitch just happen to get pregnant despite him being such a diligent owner? Are you trying to say someone else is responsible for these puppies instead of him? Are you claiming dogs, as a species, exist for some other reason rather than because humans bred, raised, and kept them for themselves? 🤷 Please. We are talking about a domestic dog here, not a Great White Shark. A Great White Shark exists simply because it exists. I could argue this is more like a litter of Great White pups that just happened to end up in this guy's possession. But a domestic dog breeds exclusively when we allow it, specifically because we choose to care for them, and if we don't want that to happen, then for heaven's sake, we should ensure it DOESN'T happen. ☕

Comparing a child to a dog is disgusting, I agree, but the fact remains: owning an animal carries specific responsibilities. This includes the owner's duty to manage their pet or prevent its offspring from being born. It isn't rocket science; it's simple:
a) spay or neuter the dog,
b) isolate the dog during heat cycles,
c) don't own a dog at all, if you aren't willing to deal with its offspring or commit to options A or B.
Simple enough, right?

To those commenting on the bag: there are valid federal and state regulations regarding the transport of animals, including puppies. There are also standardized crates designed for safe, risk-free transport that are mandated by law.

This isn't a question of whether the puppies are cute or not. The gentleman broke the law, and he needs to answer for it. A heavy fine and a few weeks of forced community service—ideally at a local animal shelter where he can clean up after the sick dogs of other "responsible" owners just like him—would be the ideal punishment. Maybe our "modest gentleman" would actually think twice about why all this mess exists, which is funded by taxpayer dollars: his mess is caused by the dogs produced by irresponsible owners like him.

Everyone loves to attack non-profits, but it's easy to throw stones at others. What you don't realize is that the problem is YOURS. If we didn't have irresponsible gentlemen like the one described here, there wouldn't be abandoned animals, there wouldn't be shelters, and there wouldn't be money being spent on them. If individuals took responsibility for their actions—meaning, if they properly controlled their pets' breeding—millions of dollars—about $15 million just in a city like Chicago—could be spent on building playgrounds, daycares, and schools... instead of, well, someone has to clean up dog crap.

When it comes to those overzealous animal control officers, they belong in court just as much as this guy's buddies do. Attacking people isn't the solution. The real way forward is education and forcing the government agencies to actually do their jobs. Look, I get why the rescuers are frustrated, but I am NOT justifying their behavior.

The only takeaway here is that our legal system is even more dead than those dogs were. ☕

And as for what the kids are saying to his children... honestly, kids will be kids. They always seem to hit the nail right on the head.

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Dennis Bailey2 Dennis Bailey2 Active Member
76 messages
joined Oct 2013
#42 ·

Michael Collins76 said:

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
And here we go again. I’m out here calling them out on the global stage for being loud, aggressive, and frankly, just plain obnoxious. They were throwing stones at fishermen and even doused some kids dressed in cow-print outfits just to make a point about slaughtering cattle. Clearly, we're the bad guys here. I'll be sure to tell them they're more than welcome to come visit your neck of the woods... 😍


Michael Collins76 said:

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Why? 🤷 Does this logic still hold up? Is it always "white men matter more than...", "Americans matter more than...", or "heterosexuals matter more than..."? Where do we draw the line? Is a surgeon inherently worth more than a newborn baby? A local from the Midwest? Exactly where is that boundary where one life becomes more sacred than another? Is a serial killer truly more valuable than a search-and-rescue dog digging survivors out of earthquake rubble? Ah, those delicious little moral dilemmas... ☕
Cut the demagoguery. This isn't some American anthem.

Michael Collins76 said:

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
How exactly does that work? At the expense of real people.Let’s be clear about what happened here. We are talking about a man who ran an irresponsible backyard breeding operation and tried to dump the entire burden onto you. I know it might not look that way on the surface, but think about it. The money you pay in taxes goes toward funding resources like food for animals just like these. In the end, his little scheme failed—not because of any grand plan, but because his dogs ended up dead. They needed to breathe, for God's sake, and he simply forgot they did.
So, what now? He screwed up. Fine. Let's just forgive him and all chip in a few thousand bucks in a couple of months once he actually delivers. Next. Dump it in a shelter and let those idiots from the network of associations deal with it.
Once they fix one thing, they’ll just roll out the next mandate. Then it's a domino effect—the neighbor follows suit, then the guy next door, and before you know it, we're all working ourselves to death like idiots just to foot the bill for their dog disposal fees.
It’s not even about some grand debate over humanity toward dogs right now. It’s simpler than that. We're talking about preventing a total free-for-all where animals tear each other apart, leaving carcasses scattered everywhere. If we actually followed standard US sanitary protocols—you know, to ensure you don't catch some nasty disease from rotting remains because your human ego makes you think you're invincible—it would cost a fortune. That's the bottom line.
Well, I’m not footing the bill.

Michael Collins76 said:

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Let me give you a little lesson instead: domesticated animals exist ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY because of human intervention. Their ecological niches DO NOT EXIST, and not a single one of those animals WOULD HAVE SURVIVED without human involvement. They CANNOT survive on their own in the wild because they were created through a process called ARTIFICIAL SELECTION. For example, dairy cows were bred specifically for milking, and they actually SUFFER from INFLAMMATION if they aren't milked daily. There's your "education." This is basic stuff taught in elementary school.

Michael Collins76 said:

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Domesticated animals don't belong to the true natural world. Since human egoism has broken something, it leaves it to human responsibility to fix what was created. Look, just as you—as a responsible member of society—have to take care of yourself, your family, your car, your house, your trash, and clean up your own crap, you also have to take care of your animal. It shouldn't matter if it's a shark or some retarded dog. If you own a dog, you pick up its shit and you handle its puppies, because you'll be the one answering for it if I step in its mess or if its pups get in my way. Is that clear? Crystal. If you don't like it, there's a simple solution: don't own a dog.
Would you tolerate that guy dumping his wrecked car in your driveway? Or would you expect some non-profit organization to clean it up using your tax dollars and pay for the hauling and recycling? No? Well, for God's sake, why would you tolerate him dumping his litter of puppies in your yard? Or expect that your tax money should fund an association to deal with those pups?
I know the answer: because you think everything will just work itself out and nobody will care.
Fine, but where does a lunatic leave the carcasses? By the side of the road? Tossed in the river? Where are kids going to catch diseases? Where will flies from dead dogs end up—on people's tables and food? How shortsighted can you be!?

Michael Collins76 said:

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Yes, honey, there is—it’s just enforced by the exact same people who pushed through those animal protection laws while puppies were literally dying in bags. They just make sure to "protect" themselves enough so they don't accidentally end up doing their actual jobs. ☕
I could be rude and suggest that these workers shouldn't even need anything from the factory—in a pure, natural world they’d just be running through fields hunting and gathering food, free from human ego trips like money, housing, TVs, or clothes... though, who knows, maybe the factory owners share more of your worldview.

Michael Collins76 said:

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Laws are either enforced or they aren't. As long as certain people are treated as more equal than others under the law, we're stuck, my friend. It's sad you can't see that.
And at the core of this whole thing, dogs aren't more important than people.
It comes down to social responsibility—specifically, the responsibility to take care of your own dog's puppies at your own expense and according to the law, instead of dumping them on society. And society is made of people.
placidranger placidranger Regular
339 messages
joined Sep 2004
#43 ·
Frank Moore4 said:This is just another textbook example of how inhumane these self-proclaimed animal rights activists can be. Honestly, half of them probably haven't even walked a dog on a leash, let alone handled actual farm work or livestock. They claim they’re "protecting" animals, but they’d happily step over a human being to do it.

Unfortunately, this is just more evidence of how twisted these Western "liberal values" have become. It’s honestly shameful that our local police aren't stepping in to deal with people like this and filing formal criminal charges for their threats and harassment. At this point, we probably need the courts—and maybe a psychiatric evaluation—to get a handle on them.

Look, I’ll give you this: activism has definitely crossed a line, but it's obvious the community isn't okay with puppies being killed. We aren't talking about some organized group harassing an innocent guy who "accidentally" dropped a bag of shelter puppies into the river. This is about kids and regular people you run into every day—and whether or not they’re actually as innocent as they claim to be.
Michael Collins76 Michael Collins76 Newcomer
9 messages
joined Oct 2011
#44 ·
Dennis Bailey2 said:I know the truth hurts.


Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
And here we go again. I’m out here calling them out on the global stage for being loud, aggressive, and frankly, just plain obnoxious. They were throwing stones at fishermen and even doused some kids dressed in cow-print outfits just to make a point about slaughtering cattle. Clearly, we're the bad guys here. I'll be sure to tell them they're more than welcome to come visit your neck of the woods... 😍

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Why? 🤷 Does this logic still hold up? Is it always "white men matter more than...", "Americans matter more than...", or "heterosexuals matter more than..."? Where do we draw the line? Is a surgeon inherently worth more than a newborn baby? A local from the Midwest? Exactly where is that boundary where one life becomes more sacred than another? Is a serial killer truly more valuable than a search-and-rescue dog digging survivors out of earthquake rubble? Ah, those delicious little moral dilemmas... ☕
Cut the demagoguery. This isn't some American anthem.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
How exactly does that work? At the expense of real people.Let’s be clear about what happened here. We are talking about a man who ran an irresponsible backyard breeding operation and tried to dump the entire burden onto you. I know it might not look that way on the surface, but think about it. The money you pay in taxes goes toward funding resources like food for animals just like these. In the end, his little scheme failed—not because of any grand plan, but because his dogs ended up dead. They needed to breathe, for God's sake, and he simply forgot they did.
So, what now? He screwed up. Fine. Let's just forgive him and all chip in a few thousand bucks in a couple of months once he actually delivers. Next. Dump it in a shelter and let those idiots from the network of associations deal with it.
Once they fix one thing, they’ll just roll out the next mandate. Then it's a domino effect—the neighbor follows suit, then the guy next door, and before you know it, we're all working ourselves to death like idiots just to foot the bill for their dog disposal fees.
It’s not even about some grand debate over humanity toward dogs right now. It’s simpler than that. We're talking about preventing a total free-for-all where animals tear each other apart, leaving carcasses scattered everywhere. If we actually followed standard US sanitary protocols—you know, to ensure you don't catch some nasty disease from rotting remains because your human ego makes you think you're invincible—it would cost a fortune. That's the bottom line.
Well, I’m not footing the bill.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Let me give you a little lesson instead: domesticated animals exist ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY because of human intervention. Their ecological niches DO NOT EXIST, and not a single one of those animals WOULD HAVE SURVIVED without human involvement. They CANNOT survive on their own in the wild because they were created through a process called ARTIFICIAL SELECTION. For example, dairy cows were bred specifically for milking, and they actually SUFFER from INFLAMMATION if they aren't milked daily. There's your "education." This is basic stuff taught in elementary school.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Domesticated animals don't belong to the true natural world. Since human egoism has broken something, it leaves it to human responsibility to fix what was created. Look, just as you—as a responsible member of society—have to take care of yourself, your family, your car, your house, your trash, and clean up your own crap, you also have to take care of your animal. It shouldn't matter if it's a shark or some retarded dog. If you own a dog, you pick up its shit and you handle its puppies, because you'll be the one answering for it if I step in its mess or if its pups get in my way. Is that clear? Crystal. If you don't like it, there's a simple solution: don't own a dog.
Would you tolerate that guy dumping his wrecked car in your driveway? Or would you expect some non-profit organization to clean it up using your tax dollars and pay for the hauling and recycling? No? Well, for God's sake, why would you tolerate him dumping his litter of puppies in your yard? Or expect that your tax money should fund an association to deal with those pups?
I know the answer: because you think everything will just work itself out and nobody will care.
Fine, but where does a lunatic leave the carcasses? By the side of the road? Tossed in the river? Where are kids going to catch diseases? Where will flies from dead dogs end up—on people's tables and food? How shortsighted can you be!?

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Yes, honey, there is—it’s just enforced by the exact same people who pushed through those animal protection laws while puppies were literally dying in bags. They just make sure to "protect" themselves enough so they don't accidentally end up doing their actual jobs. ☕
I could be rude and suggest that these workers shouldn't even need anything from the factory—in a pure, natural world they’d just be running through fields hunting and gathering food, free from human ego trips like money, housing, TVs, or clothes... though, who knows, maybe the factory owners share more of your worldview.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Laws are either enforced or they aren't. As long as certain people are treated as more equal than others under the law, we're stuck, my friend. It's sad you can't see that.
And at the core of this whole thing, dogs aren't more important than people.
It comes down to social responsibility—specifically, the responsibility to take care of your own dog's puppies at your own expense and according to the law, instead of dumping them on society. And society is made of people.
You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

Dennis Bailey2 said:I know the truth hurts.


Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
And here we go again. I’m out here calling them out on the global stage for being loud, aggressive, and frankly, just plain obnoxious. They were throwing stones at fishermen and even doused some kids dressed in cow-print outfits just to make a point about slaughtering cattle. Clearly, we're the bad guys here. I'll be sure to tell them they're more than welcome to come visit your neck of the woods... 😍

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Why? 🤷 Does this logic still hold up? Is it always "white men matter more than...", "Americans matter more than...", or "heterosexuals matter more than..."? Where do we draw the line? Is a surgeon inherently worth more than a newborn baby? A local from the Midwest? Exactly where is that boundary where one life becomes more sacred than another? Is a serial killer truly more valuable than a search-and-rescue dog digging survivors out of earthquake rubble? Ah, those delicious little moral dilemmas... ☕
Cut the demagoguery. This isn't some American anthem.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
How exactly does that work? At the expense of real people.Let’s be clear about what happened here. We are talking about a man who ran an irresponsible backyard breeding operation and tried to dump the entire burden onto you. I know it might not look that way on the surface, but think about it. The money you pay in taxes goes toward funding resources like food for animals just like these. In the end, his little scheme failed—not because of any grand plan, but because his dogs ended up dead. They needed to breathe, for God's sake, and he simply forgot they did.
So, what now? He screwed up. Fine. Let's just forgive him and all chip in a few thousand bucks in a couple of months once he actually delivers. Next. Dump it in a shelter and let those idiots from the network of associations deal with it.
Once they fix one thing, they’ll just roll out the next mandate. Then it's a domino effect—the neighbor follows suit, then the guy next door, and before you know it, we're all working ourselves to death like idiots just to foot the bill for their dog disposal fees.
It’s not even about some grand debate over humanity toward dogs right now. It’s simpler than that. We're talking about preventing a total free-for-all where animals tear each other apart, leaving carcasses scattered everywhere. If we actually followed standard US sanitary protocols—you know, to ensure you don't catch some nasty disease from rotting remains because your human ego makes you think you're invincible—it would cost a fortune. That's the bottom line.
Well, I’m not footing the bill.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Let me give you a little lesson instead: domesticated animals exist ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY because of human intervention. Their ecological niches DO NOT EXIST, and not a single one of those animals WOULD HAVE SURVIVED without human involvement. They CANNOT survive on their own in the wild because they were created through a process called ARTIFICIAL SELECTION. For example, dairy cows were bred specifically for milking, and they actually SUFFER from INFLAMMATION if they aren't milked daily. There's your "education." This is basic stuff taught in elementary school.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Domesticated animals don't belong to the true natural world. Since human egoism has broken something, it leaves it to human responsibility to fix what was created. Look, just as you—as a responsible member of society—have to take care of yourself, your family, your car, your house, your trash, and clean up your own crap, you also have to take care of your animal. It shouldn't matter if it's a shark or some retarded dog. If you own a dog, you pick up its shit and you handle its puppies, because you'll be the one answering for it if I step in its mess or if its pups get in my way. Is that clear? Crystal. If you don't like it, there's a simple solution: don't own a dog.
Would you tolerate that guy dumping his wrecked car in your driveway? Or would you expect some non-profit organization to clean it up using your tax dollars and pay for the hauling and recycling? No? Well, for God's sake, why would you tolerate him dumping his litter of puppies in your yard? Or expect that your tax money should fund an association to deal with those pups?
I know the answer: because you think everything will just work itself out and nobody will care.
Fine, but where does a lunatic leave the carcasses? By the side of the road? Tossed in the river? Where are kids going to catch diseases? Where will flies from dead dogs end up—on people's tables and food? How shortsighted can you be!?

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Yes, honey, there is—it’s just enforced by the exact same people who pushed through those animal protection laws while puppies were literally dying in bags. They just make sure to "protect" themselves enough so they don't accidentally end up doing their actual jobs. ☕
I could be rude and suggest that these workers shouldn't even need anything from the factory—in a pure, natural world they’d just be running through fields hunting and gathering food, free from human ego trips like money, housing, TVs, or clothes... though, who knows, maybe the factory owners share more of your worldview.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Laws are either enforced or they aren't. As long as certain people are treated as more equal than others under the law, we're stuck, my friend. It's sad you can't see that.
And at the core of this whole thing, dogs aren't more important than people.
It comes down to social responsibility—specifically, the responsibility to take care of your own dog's puppies at your own expense and according to the law, instead of dumping them on society. And society is made of people.
If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

Dennis Bailey2 said:I know the truth hurts.


Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
And here we go again. I’m out here calling them out on the global stage for being loud, aggressive, and frankly, just plain obnoxious. They were throwing stones at fishermen and even doused some kids dressed in cow-print outfits just to make a point about slaughtering cattle. Clearly, we're the bad guys here. I'll be sure to tell them they're more than welcome to come visit your neck of the woods... 😍

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Why? 🤷 Does this logic still hold up? Is it always "white men matter more than...", "Americans matter more than...", or "heterosexuals matter more than..."? Where do we draw the line? Is a surgeon inherently worth more than a newborn baby? A local from the Midwest? Exactly where is that boundary where one life becomes more sacred than another? Is a serial killer truly more valuable than a search-and-rescue dog digging survivors out of earthquake rubble? Ah, those delicious little moral dilemmas... ☕
Cut the demagoguery. This isn't some American anthem.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
How exactly does that work? At the expense of real people.Let’s be clear about what happened here. We are talking about a man who ran an irresponsible backyard breeding operation and tried to dump the entire burden onto you. I know it might not look that way on the surface, but think about it. The money you pay in taxes goes toward funding resources like food for animals just like these. In the end, his little scheme failed—not because of any grand plan, but because his dogs ended up dead. They needed to breathe, for God's sake, and he simply forgot they did.
So, what now? He screwed up. Fine. Let's just forgive him and all chip in a few thousand bucks in a couple of months once he actually delivers. Next. Dump it in a shelter and let those idiots from the network of associations deal with it.
Once they fix one thing, they’ll just roll out the next mandate. Then it's a domino effect—the neighbor follows suit, then the guy next door, and before you know it, we're all working ourselves to death like idiots just to foot the bill for their dog disposal fees.
It’s not even about some grand debate over humanity toward dogs right now. It’s simpler than that. We're talking about preventing a total free-for-all where animals tear each other apart, leaving carcasses scattered everywhere. If we actually followed standard US sanitary protocols—you know, to ensure you don't catch some nasty disease from rotting remains because your human ego makes you think you're invincible—it would cost a fortune. That's the bottom line.
Well, I’m not footing the bill.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Let me give you a little lesson instead: domesticated animals exist ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY because of human intervention. Their ecological niches DO NOT EXIST, and not a single one of those animals WOULD HAVE SURVIVED without human involvement. They CANNOT survive on their own in the wild because they were created through a process called ARTIFICIAL SELECTION. For example, dairy cows were bred specifically for milking, and they actually SUFFER from INFLAMMATION if they aren't milked daily. There's your "education." This is basic stuff taught in elementary school.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Domesticated animals don't belong to the true natural world. Since human egoism has broken something, it leaves it to human responsibility to fix what was created. Look, just as you—as a responsible member of society—have to take care of yourself, your family, your car, your house, your trash, and clean up your own crap, you also have to take care of your animal. It shouldn't matter if it's a shark or some retarded dog. If you own a dog, you pick up its shit and you handle its puppies, because you'll be the one answering for it if I step in its mess or if its pups get in my way. Is that clear? Crystal. If you don't like it, there's a simple solution: don't own a dog.
Would you tolerate that guy dumping his wrecked car in your driveway? Or would you expect some non-profit organization to clean it up using your tax dollars and pay for the hauling and recycling? No? Well, for God's sake, why would you tolerate him dumping his litter of puppies in your yard? Or expect that your tax money should fund an association to deal with those pups?
I know the answer: because you think everything will just work itself out and nobody will care.
Fine, but where does a lunatic leave the carcasses? By the side of the road? Tossed in the river? Where are kids going to catch diseases? Where will flies from dead dogs end up—on people's tables and food? How shortsighted can you be!?

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Yes, honey, there is—it’s just enforced by the exact same people who pushed through those animal protection laws while puppies were literally dying in bags. They just make sure to "protect" themselves enough so they don't accidentally end up doing their actual jobs. ☕
I could be rude and suggest that these workers shouldn't even need anything from the factory—in a pure, natural world they’d just be running through fields hunting and gathering food, free from human ego trips like money, housing, TVs, or clothes... though, who knows, maybe the factory owners share more of your worldview.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Laws are either enforced or they aren't. As long as certain people are treated as more equal than others under the law, we're stuck, my friend. It's sad you can't see that.
And at the core of this whole thing, dogs aren't more important than people.
It comes down to social responsibility—specifically, the responsibility to take care of your own dog's puppies at your own expense and according to the law, instead of dumping them on society. And society is made of people.
The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.
Dennis Bailey2 said:I know the truth hurts.


Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
And here we go again. I’m out here calling them out on the global stage for being loud, aggressive, and frankly, just plain obnoxious. They were throwing stones at fishermen and even doused some kids dressed in cow-print outfits just to make a point about slaughtering cattle. Clearly, we're the bad guys here. I'll be sure to tell them they're more than welcome to come visit your neck of the woods... 😍

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Why? 🤷 Does this logic still hold up? Is it always "white men matter more than...", "Americans matter more than...", or "heterosexuals matter more than..."? Where do we draw the line? Is a surgeon inherently worth more than a newborn baby? A local from the Midwest? Exactly where is that boundary where one life becomes more sacred than another? Is a serial killer truly more valuable than a search-and-rescue dog digging survivors out of earthquake rubble? Ah, those delicious little moral dilemmas... ☕
Cut the demagoguery. This isn't some American anthem.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
How exactly does that work? At the expense of real people.Let’s be clear about what happened here. We are talking about a man who ran an irresponsible backyard breeding operation and tried to dump the entire burden onto you. I know it might not look that way on the surface, but think about it. The money you pay in taxes goes toward funding resources like food for animals just like these. In the end, his little scheme failed—not because of any grand plan, but because his dogs ended up dead. They needed to breathe, for God's sake, and he simply forgot they did.
So, what now? He screwed up. Fine. Let's just forgive him and all chip in a few thousand bucks in a couple of months once he actually delivers. Next. Dump it in a shelter and let those idiots from the network of associations deal with it.
Once they fix one thing, they’ll just roll out the next mandate. Then it's a domino effect—the neighbor follows suit, then the guy next door, and before you know it, we're all working ourselves to death like idiots just to foot the bill for their dog disposal fees.
It’s not even about some grand debate over humanity toward dogs right now. It’s simpler than that. We're talking about preventing a total free-for-all where animals tear each other apart, leaving carcasses scattered everywhere. If we actually followed standard US sanitary protocols—you know, to ensure you don't catch some nasty disease from rotting remains because your human ego makes you think you're invincible—it would cost a fortune. That's the bottom line.
Well, I’m not footing the bill.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Let me give you a little lesson instead: domesticated animals exist ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY because of human intervention. Their ecological niches DO NOT EXIST, and not a single one of those animals WOULD HAVE SURVIVED without human involvement. They CANNOT survive on their own in the wild because they were created through a process called ARTIFICIAL SELECTION. For example, dairy cows were bred specifically for milking, and they actually SUFFER from INFLAMMATION if they aren't milked daily. There's your "education." This is basic stuff taught in elementary school.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Domesticated animals don't belong to the true natural world. Since human egoism has broken something, it leaves it to human responsibility to fix what was created. Look, just as you—as a responsible member of society—have to take care of yourself, your family, your car, your house, your trash, and clean up your own crap, you also have to take care of your animal. It shouldn't matter if it's a shark or some retarded dog. If you own a dog, you pick up its shit and you handle its puppies, because you'll be the one answering for it if I step in its mess or if its pups get in my way. Is that clear? Crystal. If you don't like it, there's a simple solution: don't own a dog.
Would you tolerate that guy dumping his wrecked car in your driveway? Or would you expect some non-profit organization to clean it up using your tax dollars and pay for the hauling and recycling? No? Well, for God's sake, why would you tolerate him dumping his litter of puppies in your yard? Or expect that your tax money should fund an association to deal with those pups?
I know the answer: because you think everything will just work itself out and nobody will care.
Fine, but where does a lunatic leave the carcasses? By the side of the road? Tossed in the river? Where are kids going to catch diseases? Where will flies from dead dogs end up—on people's tables and food? How shortsighted can you be!?

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Yes, honey, there is—it’s just enforced by the exact same people who pushed through those animal protection laws while puppies were literally dying in bags. They just make sure to "protect" themselves enough so they don't accidentally end up doing their actual jobs. ☕
I could be rude and suggest that these workers shouldn't even need anything from the factory—in a pure, natural world they’d just be running through fields hunting and gathering food, free from human ego trips like money, housing, TVs, or clothes... though, who knows, maybe the factory owners share more of your worldview.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Laws are either enforced or they aren't. As long as certain people are treated as more equal than others under the law, we're stuck, my friend. It's sad you can't see that.
And at the core of this whole thing, dogs aren't more important than people.
It comes down to social responsibility—specifically, the responsibility to take care of your own dog's puppies at your own expense and according to the law, instead of dumping them on society. And society is made of people.
Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

Dennis Bailey2 said:I know the truth hurts.


Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
And here we go again. I’m out here calling them out on the global stage for being loud, aggressive, and frankly, just plain obnoxious. They were throwing stones at fishermen and even doused some kids dressed in cow-print outfits just to make a point about slaughtering cattle. Clearly, we're the bad guys here. I'll be sure to tell them they're more than welcome to come visit your neck of the woods... 😍

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Why? 🤷 Does this logic still hold up? Is it always "white men matter more than...", "Americans matter more than...", or "heterosexuals matter more than..."? Where do we draw the line? Is a surgeon inherently worth more than a newborn baby? A local from the Midwest? Exactly where is that boundary where one life becomes more sacred than another? Is a serial killer truly more valuable than a search-and-rescue dog digging survivors out of earthquake rubble? Ah, those delicious little moral dilemmas... ☕
Cut the demagoguery. This isn't some American anthem.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
How exactly does that work? At the expense of real people.Let’s be clear about what happened here. We are talking about a man who ran an irresponsible backyard breeding operation and tried to dump the entire burden onto you. I know it might not look that way on the surface, but think about it. The money you pay in taxes goes toward funding resources like food for animals just like these. In the end, his little scheme failed—not because of any grand plan, but because his dogs ended up dead. They needed to breathe, for God's sake, and he simply forgot they did.
So, what now? He screwed up. Fine. Let's just forgive him and all chip in a few thousand bucks in a couple of months once he actually delivers. Next. Dump it in a shelter and let those idiots from the network of associations deal with it.
Once they fix one thing, they’ll just roll out the next mandate. Then it's a domino effect—the neighbor follows suit, then the guy next door, and before you know it, we're all working ourselves to death like idiots just to foot the bill for their dog disposal fees.
It’s not even about some grand debate over humanity toward dogs right now. It’s simpler than that. We're talking about preventing a total free-for-all where animals tear each other apart, leaving carcasses scattered everywhere. If we actually followed standard US sanitary protocols—you know, to ensure you don't catch some nasty disease from rotting remains because your human ego makes you think you're invincible—it would cost a fortune. That's the bottom line.
Well, I’m not footing the bill.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Let me give you a little lesson instead: domesticated animals exist ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY because of human intervention. Their ecological niches DO NOT EXIST, and not a single one of those animals WOULD HAVE SURVIVED without human involvement. They CANNOT survive on their own in the wild because they were created through a process called ARTIFICIAL SELECTION. For example, dairy cows were bred specifically for milking, and they actually SUFFER from INFLAMMATION if they aren't milked daily. There's your "education." This is basic stuff taught in elementary school.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Domesticated animals don't belong to the true natural world. Since human egoism has broken something, it leaves it to human responsibility to fix what was created. Look, just as you—as a responsible member of society—have to take care of yourself, your family, your car, your house, your trash, and clean up your own crap, you also have to take care of your animal. It shouldn't matter if it's a shark or some retarded dog. If you own a dog, you pick up its shit and you handle its puppies, because you'll be the one answering for it if I step in its mess or if its pups get in my way. Is that clear? Crystal. If you don't like it, there's a simple solution: don't own a dog.
Would you tolerate that guy dumping his wrecked car in your driveway? Or would you expect some non-profit organization to clean it up using your tax dollars and pay for the hauling and recycling? No? Well, for God's sake, why would you tolerate him dumping his litter of puppies in your yard? Or expect that your tax money should fund an association to deal with those pups?
I know the answer: because you think everything will just work itself out and nobody will care.
Fine, but where does a lunatic leave the carcasses? By the side of the road? Tossed in the river? Where are kids going to catch diseases? Where will flies from dead dogs end up—on people's tables and food? How shortsighted can you be!?

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Yes, honey, there is—it’s just enforced by the exact same people who pushed through those animal protection laws while puppies were literally dying in bags. They just make sure to "protect" themselves enough so they don't accidentally end up doing their actual jobs. ☕
I could be rude and suggest that these workers shouldn't even need anything from the factory—in a pure, natural world they’d just be running through fields hunting and gathering food, free from human ego trips like money, housing, TVs, or clothes... though, who knows, maybe the factory owners share more of your worldview.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Laws are either enforced or they aren't. As long as certain people are treated as more equal than others under the law, we're stuck, my friend. It's sad you can't see that.
And at the core of this whole thing, dogs aren't more important than people.
It comes down to social responsibility—specifically, the responsibility to take care of your own dog's puppies at your own expense and according to the law, instead of dumping them on society. And society is made of people.
What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

Dennis Bailey2 said:I know the truth hurts.


Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
And here we go again. I’m out here calling them out on the global stage for being loud, aggressive, and frankly, just plain obnoxious. They were throwing stones at fishermen and even doused some kids dressed in cow-print outfits just to make a point about slaughtering cattle. Clearly, we're the bad guys here. I'll be sure to tell them they're more than welcome to come visit your neck of the woods... 😍

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Why? 🤷 Does this logic still hold up? Is it always "white men matter more than...", "Americans matter more than...", or "heterosexuals matter more than..."? Where do we draw the line? Is a surgeon inherently worth more than a newborn baby? A local from the Midwest? Exactly where is that boundary where one life becomes more sacred than another? Is a serial killer truly more valuable than a search-and-rescue dog digging survivors out of earthquake rubble? Ah, those delicious little moral dilemmas... ☕
Cut the demagoguery. This isn't some American anthem.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
How exactly does that work? At the expense of real people.Let’s be clear about what happened here. We are talking about a man who ran an irresponsible backyard breeding operation and tried to dump the entire burden onto you. I know it might not look that way on the surface, but think about it. The money you pay in taxes goes toward funding resources like food for animals just like these. In the end, his little scheme failed—not because of any grand plan, but because his dogs ended up dead. They needed to breathe, for God's sake, and he simply forgot they did.
So, what now? He screwed up. Fine. Let's just forgive him and all chip in a few thousand bucks in a couple of months once he actually delivers. Next. Dump it in a shelter and let those idiots from the network of associations deal with it.
Once they fix one thing, they’ll just roll out the next mandate. Then it's a domino effect—the neighbor follows suit, then the guy next door, and before you know it, we're all working ourselves to death like idiots just to foot the bill for their dog disposal fees.
It’s not even about some grand debate over humanity toward dogs right now. It’s simpler than that. We're talking about preventing a total free-for-all where animals tear each other apart, leaving carcasses scattered everywhere. If we actually followed standard US sanitary protocols—you know, to ensure you don't catch some nasty disease from rotting remains because your human ego makes you think you're invincible—it would cost a fortune. That's the bottom line.
Well, I’m not footing the bill.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Let me give you a little lesson instead: domesticated animals exist ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY because of human intervention. Their ecological niches DO NOT EXIST, and not a single one of those animals WOULD HAVE SURVIVED without human involvement. They CANNOT survive on their own in the wild because they were created through a process called ARTIFICIAL SELECTION. For example, dairy cows were bred specifically for milking, and they actually SUFFER from INFLAMMATION if they aren't milked daily. There's your "education." This is basic stuff taught in elementary school.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Domesticated animals don't belong to the true natural world. Since human egoism has broken something, it leaves it to human responsibility to fix what was created. Look, just as you—as a responsible member of society—have to take care of yourself, your family, your car, your house, your trash, and clean up your own crap, you also have to take care of your animal. It shouldn't matter if it's a shark or some retarded dog. If you own a dog, you pick up its shit and you handle its puppies, because you'll be the one answering for it if I step in its mess or if its pups get in my way. Is that clear? Crystal. If you don't like it, there's a simple solution: don't own a dog.
Would you tolerate that guy dumping his wrecked car in your driveway? Or would you expect some non-profit organization to clean it up using your tax dollars and pay for the hauling and recycling? No? Well, for God's sake, why would you tolerate him dumping his litter of puppies in your yard? Or expect that your tax money should fund an association to deal with those pups?
I know the answer: because you think everything will just work itself out and nobody will care.
Fine, but where does a lunatic leave the carcasses? By the side of the road? Tossed in the river? Where are kids going to catch diseases? Where will flies from dead dogs end up—on people's tables and food? How shortsighted can you be!?

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Yes, honey, there is—it’s just enforced by the exact same people who pushed through those animal protection laws while puppies were literally dying in bags. They just make sure to "protect" themselves enough so they don't accidentally end up doing their actual jobs. ☕
I could be rude and suggest that these workers shouldn't even need anything from the factory—in a pure, natural world they’d just be running through fields hunting and gathering food, free from human ego trips like money, housing, TVs, or clothes... though, who knows, maybe the factory owners share more of your worldview.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Laws are either enforced or they aren't. As long as certain people are treated as more equal than others under the law, we're stuck, my friend. It's sad you can't see that.
And at the core of this whole thing, dogs aren't more important than people.
It comes down to social responsibility—specifically, the responsibility to take care of your own dog's puppies at your own expense and according to the law, instead of dumping them on society. And society is made of people.
You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

Dennis Bailey2 said:I know the truth hurts.


Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
And here we go again. I’m out here calling them out on the global stage for being loud, aggressive, and frankly, just plain obnoxious. They were throwing stones at fishermen and even doused some kids dressed in cow-print outfits just to make a point about slaughtering cattle. Clearly, we're the bad guys here. I'll be sure to tell them they're more than welcome to come visit your neck of the woods... 😍

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Why? 🤷 Does this logic still hold up? Is it always "white men matter more than...", "Americans matter more than...", or "heterosexuals matter more than..."? Where do we draw the line? Is a surgeon inherently worth more than a newborn baby? A local from the Midwest? Exactly where is that boundary where one life becomes more sacred than another? Is a serial killer truly more valuable than a search-and-rescue dog digging survivors out of earthquake rubble? Ah, those delicious little moral dilemmas... ☕
Cut the demagoguery. This isn't some American anthem.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
How exactly does that work? At the expense of real people.Let’s be clear about what happened here. We are talking about a man who ran an irresponsible backyard breeding operation and tried to dump the entire burden onto you. I know it might not look that way on the surface, but think about it. The money you pay in taxes goes toward funding resources like food for animals just like these. In the end, his little scheme failed—not because of any grand plan, but because his dogs ended up dead. They needed to breathe, for God's sake, and he simply forgot they did.
So, what now? He screwed up. Fine. Let's just forgive him and all chip in a few thousand bucks in a couple of months once he actually delivers. Next. Dump it in a shelter and let those idiots from the network of associations deal with it.
Once they fix one thing, they’ll just roll out the next mandate. Then it's a domino effect—the neighbor follows suit, then the guy next door, and before you know it, we're all working ourselves to death like idiots just to foot the bill for their dog disposal fees.
It’s not even about some grand debate over humanity toward dogs right now. It’s simpler than that. We're talking about preventing a total free-for-all where animals tear each other apart, leaving carcasses scattered everywhere. If we actually followed standard US sanitary protocols—you know, to ensure you don't catch some nasty disease from rotting remains because your human ego makes you think you're invincible—it would cost a fortune. That's the bottom line.
Well, I’m not footing the bill.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Let me give you a little lesson instead: domesticated animals exist ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY because of human intervention. Their ecological niches DO NOT EXIST, and not a single one of those animals WOULD HAVE SURVIVED without human involvement. They CANNOT survive on their own in the wild because they were created through a process called ARTIFICIAL SELECTION. For example, dairy cows were bred specifically for milking, and they actually SUFFER from INFLAMMATION if they aren't milked daily. There's your "education." This is basic stuff taught in elementary school.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Domesticated animals don't belong to the true natural world. Since human egoism has broken something, it leaves it to human responsibility to fix what was created. Look, just as you—as a responsible member of society—have to take care of yourself, your family, your car, your house, your trash, and clean up your own crap, you also have to take care of your animal. It shouldn't matter if it's a shark or some retarded dog. If you own a dog, you pick up its shit and you handle its puppies, because you'll be the one answering for it if I step in its mess or if its pups get in my way. Is that clear? Crystal. If you don't like it, there's a simple solution: don't own a dog.
Would you tolerate that guy dumping his wrecked car in your driveway? Or would you expect some non-profit organization to clean it up using your tax dollars and pay for the hauling and recycling? No? Well, for God's sake, why would you tolerate him dumping his litter of puppies in your yard? Or expect that your tax money should fund an association to deal with those pups?
I know the answer: because you think everything will just work itself out and nobody will care.
Fine, but where does a lunatic leave the carcasses? By the side of the road? Tossed in the river? Where are kids going to catch diseases? Where will flies from dead dogs end up—on people's tables and food? How shortsighted can you be!?

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Yes, honey, there is—it’s just enforced by the exact same people who pushed through those animal protection laws while puppies were literally dying in bags. They just make sure to "protect" themselves enough so they don't accidentally end up doing their actual jobs. ☕
I could be rude and suggest that these workers shouldn't even need anything from the factory—in a pure, natural world they’d just be running through fields hunting and gathering food, free from human ego trips like money, housing, TVs, or clothes... though, who knows, maybe the factory owners share more of your worldview.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Laws are either enforced or they aren't. As long as certain people are treated as more equal than others under the law, we're stuck, my friend. It's sad you can't see that.
And at the core of this whole thing, dogs aren't more important than people.
It comes down to social responsibility—specifically, the responsibility to take care of your own dog's puppies at your own expense and according to the law, instead of dumping them on society. And society is made of people.
The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
Dennis Bailey2 Dennis Bailey2 Active Member
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Michael Collins76 said:

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
I’m a teacher at a high-end prep school. I hold a doctorate. To be blunt, I don't exactly view rural elementary school teachers as the pinnacle of moral authority. It’s a good thing you didn't send me to work in some tiny town in the middle of nowhere. 🤣 It’s a heavy moral dilemma, plain and simple. You're looking at the death of an innocent animal, paired with making life uncomfortable for some guy who clearly can't handle the consequences of his own actions. It's messy.

Michael Collins76 said:

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
No, they’re suffering because of their own negligence and sheer lack of responsibility. That’s where your perception is off. They had every right to choose NOT to own dogs and NOT to put themselves in that position in the first place.
Look, I’ve never personally been in a position where I had to get rid of an entire litter of puppies. Want to take a guess as to why? 🤷

Michael Collins76 said:

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
Let me guess. You’re from the coast? Just more typical Appalachian demagoguery. 🤣 Jokes aside, I can't get behind this mountain of nonsense. For whatever reason, people bred these animals to be useful—to guard property, protect the community, provide heat, pull carts, assist in hunting, help with search and rescue, guide the blind, and so on. There's a whole world out there beyond Appalachia. That said, I can certainly agree with one thing: if you feel like a dog, a cat, or a horse is an inconvenience to you, then you're entitled to hold that view. Choosing not to have a pet isn't a lack of empathy. It’s a matter of logistics. People act like if you don't own a dog or a cat, you’re somehow cold or disconnected from nature. That’s nonsense. Owning an animal is a massive commitment of time, money, and mental energy. It’s like buying a house or starting a small business—you don't just "get" one on a whim. You have to consider the overhead. Between the premium kibble, the unexpected vet bills, and the constant upkeep, it becomes a permanent line item in your budget. Then there's the lifestyle constraint. If you want to travel to Chicago for a weekend or take a spontaneous road trip through the Rockies, you can't exactly just leave a creature alone in an apartment. I see people treating pets like accessories, only to realize later they aren't prepared for the reality of the responsibility. I prefer my freedom. I like being able to walk out my front door without checking if a living thing needs something from me first. There is nothing wrong with opting out of that cycle. It’s about knowing your limits and respecting the weight of the commitment..
Look, you don't have the right to violate the Constitution of the United States.
If you don't like it here, then pack your bags and move. 🤷

Michael Collins76 said:

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
Look, I don't give a damn about the drama, but if you’re in possession of her, then do your job and handle things strictly by the Constitution of the United States. Or better yet, make sure you never had her in the first place. 😬

Michael Collins76 said:

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
I disagree. Following that logic would mean we should just let everyone working at the factory gates fend for themselves and starve. They aren't capable of surviving on their own without some level of societal support. ☕ Besides, the factory owner is the one who let them loose. 😍
He just snapped. He actually yelled it out loud: "What do my employees have to do with my business anyway?"

Your logic is incredibly flimsy. What about people with severe cognitive impairments? Are we supposed to just let them roam free without any oversight?

Michael Collins76 said:

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
Look, unlike any other creature out there, humans are supposed to be humane—civilized. You clearly haven't reached that level yet. Personally, I take pride in being able to pinpoint the exact line that separates me from your average dog. It’s a distinction you obviously can't make. 😬
When it comes to comparing the "value" of a life, we’re back to square one: it all boils down to perception. To me, my dog—who is a full-fledged member of my family—holds far more inherent value than someone like Josef Fritzl or Charles Manson. A human being's worth isn't some fixed metric; it's based on... Humanity.If a person acts in a way that makes them question their own humanity, they’ve already cast doubt on the very value of their life.

Look, those are some heavy accusations, man. Nobody is making death threats here; people are just making his life a little difficult. He's acting like a jerk? Fine, let him deal with it. What am I supposed to do about it? When I park illegally, I pay the fine. Sometimes I push someone's buttons and they take a wrench to my car. That guy with the wrench is the one committing a crime, but we can't start valuing a car's resale price over a human life. You make your own choices—you live with the consequences. Period.

Michael Collins76 said:

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
No, he isn't going to face consequences for the sake of an animal. He's facing them because he broke the law and acted irresponsibly, uncivilized, and inhuman—essentially, his behavior was completely unacceptable to society. I see why you're defending him, though; you two are cut from the same cloth. 😍

And frankly, from what I can see, he hasn't even "suffered" yet.

Edit:
I think your fundamental misunderstanding of my position stems from the idea that I'm against "killing dogs." You're trying to bait some "crazy animal lover" with cheap provocations, but you're missing the mark. I am against breaking the law and refusing to hold individuals accountable. I am also against a public that is too willing to excuse people for their own actions. Under the Constitution of the United States, the law treats a dog much like a car: just as you're responsible for cleaning up the wreckage of an unwanted vehicle, you are responsible for an unwanted animal. As long as you follow the law and aren't making it my problem, you have total freedom...
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#46 ·
Dennis Bailey2 said:

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
I’m a teacher at a high-end prep school. I hold a doctorate. To be blunt, I don't exactly view rural elementary school teachers as the pinnacle of moral authority. It’s a good thing you didn't send me to work in some tiny town in the middle of nowhere. 🤣 It’s a heavy moral dilemma, plain and simple. You're looking at the death of an innocent animal, paired with making life uncomfortable for some guy who clearly can't handle the consequences of his own actions. It's messy.

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
No, they’re suffering because of their own negligence and sheer lack of responsibility. That’s where your perception is off. They had every right to choose NOT to own dogs and NOT to put themselves in that position in the first place.
Look, I’ve never personally been in a position where I had to get rid of an entire litter of puppies. Want to take a guess as to why? 🤷

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
Let me guess. You’re from the coast? Just more typical Appalachian demagoguery. 🤣 Jokes aside, I can't get behind this mountain of nonsense. For whatever reason, people bred these animals to be useful—to guard property, protect the community, provide heat, pull carts, assist in hunting, help with search and rescue, guide the blind, and so on. There's a whole world out there beyond Appalachia. That said, I can certainly agree with one thing: if you feel like a dog, a cat, or a horse is an inconvenience to you, then you're entitled to hold that view. Choosing not to have a pet isn't a lack of empathy. It’s a matter of logistics. People act like if you don't own a dog or a cat, you’re somehow cold or disconnected from nature. That’s nonsense. Owning an animal is a massive commitment of time, money, and mental energy. It’s like buying a house or starting a small business—you don't just "get" one on a whim. You have to consider the overhead. Between the premium kibble, the unexpected vet bills, and the constant upkeep, it becomes a permanent line item in your budget. Then there's the lifestyle constraint. If you want to travel to Chicago for a weekend or take a spontaneous road trip through the Rockies, you can't exactly just leave a creature alone in an apartment. I see people treating pets like accessories, only to realize later they aren't prepared for the reality of the responsibility. I prefer my freedom. I like being able to walk out my front door without checking if a living thing needs something from me first. There is nothing wrong with opting out of that cycle. It’s about knowing your limits and respecting the weight of the commitment..
Look, you don't have the right to violate the Constitution of the United States.
If you don't like it here, then pack your bags and move. 🤷

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
Look, I don't give a damn about the drama, but if you’re in possession of her, then do your job and handle things strictly by the Constitution of the United States. Or better yet, make sure you never had her in the first place. 😬

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
I disagree. Following that logic would mean we should just let everyone working at the factory gates fend for themselves and starve. They aren't capable of surviving on their own without some level of societal support. ☕ Besides, the factory owner is the one who let them loose. 😍
He just snapped. He actually yelled it out loud: "What do my employees have to do with my business anyway?"

Your logic is incredibly flimsy. What about people with severe cognitive impairments? Are we supposed to just let them roam free without any oversight?

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
Look, unlike any other creature out there, humans are supposed to be humane—civilized. You clearly haven't reached that level yet. Personally, I take pride in being able to pinpoint the exact line that separates me from your average dog. It’s a distinction you obviously can't make. 😬
When it comes to comparing the "value" of a life, we’re back to square one: it all boils down to perception. To me, my dog—who is a full-fledged member of my family—holds far more inherent value than someone like Josef Fritzl or Charles Manson. A human being's worth isn't some fixed metric; it's based on... Humanity.If a person acts in a way that makes them question their own humanity, they’ve already cast doubt on the very value of their life.

Look, those are some heavy accusations, man. Nobody is making death threats here; people are just making his life a little difficult. He's acting like a jerk? Fine, let him deal with it. What am I supposed to do about it? When I park illegally, I pay the fine. Sometimes I push someone's buttons and they take a wrench to my car. That guy with the wrench is the one committing a crime, but we can't start valuing a car's resale price over a human life. You make your own choices—you live with the consequences. Period.

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
No, he isn't going to face consequences for the sake of an animal. He's facing them because he broke the law and acted irresponsibly, uncivilized, and inhuman—essentially, his behavior was completely unacceptable to society. I see why you're defending him, though; you two are cut from the same cloth. 😍

And frankly, from what I can see, he hasn't even "suffered" yet.

Edit:
I think your fundamental misunderstanding of my position stems from the idea that I'm against "killing dogs." You're trying to bait some "crazy animal lover" with cheap provocations, but you're missing the mark. I am against breaking the law and refusing to hold individuals accountable. I am also against a public that is too willing to excuse people for their own actions. Under the Constitution of the United States, the law treats a dog much like a car: just as you're responsible for cleaning up the wreckage of an unwanted vehicle, you are responsible for an unwanted animal. As long as you follow the law and aren't making it my problem, you have total freedom...
I honestly thought I was talking to some modern-day Madame Bovary. I raise pigs, so I figured we were basically on the same level.

Dennis Bailey2 said:

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
I’m a teacher at a high-end prep school. I hold a doctorate. To be blunt, I don't exactly view rural elementary school teachers as the pinnacle of moral authority. It’s a good thing you didn't send me to work in some tiny town in the middle of nowhere. 🤣 It’s a heavy moral dilemma, plain and simple. You're looking at the death of an innocent animal, paired with making life uncomfortable for some guy who clearly can't handle the consequences of his own actions. It's messy.

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
No, they’re suffering because of their own negligence and sheer lack of responsibility. That’s where your perception is off. They had every right to choose NOT to own dogs and NOT to put themselves in that position in the first place.
Look, I’ve never personally been in a position where I had to get rid of an entire litter of puppies. Want to take a guess as to why? 🤷

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
Let me guess. You’re from the coast? Just more typical Appalachian demagoguery. 🤣 Jokes aside, I can't get behind this mountain of nonsense. For whatever reason, people bred these animals to be useful—to guard property, protect the community, provide heat, pull carts, assist in hunting, help with search and rescue, guide the blind, and so on. There's a whole world out there beyond Appalachia. That said, I can certainly agree with one thing: if you feel like a dog, a cat, or a horse is an inconvenience to you, then you're entitled to hold that view. Choosing not to have a pet isn't a lack of empathy. It’s a matter of logistics. People act like if you don't own a dog or a cat, you’re somehow cold or disconnected from nature. That’s nonsense. Owning an animal is a massive commitment of time, money, and mental energy. It’s like buying a house or starting a small business—you don't just "get" one on a whim. You have to consider the overhead. Between the premium kibble, the unexpected vet bills, and the constant upkeep, it becomes a permanent line item in your budget. Then there's the lifestyle constraint. If you want to travel to Chicago for a weekend or take a spontaneous road trip through the Rockies, you can't exactly just leave a creature alone in an apartment. I see people treating pets like accessories, only to realize later they aren't prepared for the reality of the responsibility. I prefer my freedom. I like being able to walk out my front door without checking if a living thing needs something from me first. There is nothing wrong with opting out of that cycle. It’s about knowing your limits and respecting the weight of the commitment..
Look, you don't have the right to violate the Constitution of the United States.
If you don't like it here, then pack your bags and move. 🤷

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
Look, I don't give a damn about the drama, but if you’re in possession of her, then do your job and handle things strictly by the Constitution of the United States. Or better yet, make sure you never had her in the first place. 😬

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
I disagree. Following that logic would mean we should just let everyone working at the factory gates fend for themselves and starve. They aren't capable of surviving on their own without some level of societal support. ☕ Besides, the factory owner is the one who let them loose. 😍
He just snapped. He actually yelled it out loud: "What do my employees have to do with my business anyway?"

Your logic is incredibly flimsy. What about people with severe cognitive impairments? Are we supposed to just let them roam free without any oversight?

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
Look, unlike any other creature out there, humans are supposed to be humane—civilized. You clearly haven't reached that level yet. Personally, I take pride in being able to pinpoint the exact line that separates me from your average dog. It’s a distinction you obviously can't make. 😬
When it comes to comparing the "value" of a life, we’re back to square one: it all boils down to perception. To me, my dog—who is a full-fledged member of my family—holds far more inherent value than someone like Josef Fritzl or Charles Manson. A human being's worth isn't some fixed metric; it's based on... Humanity.If a person acts in a way that makes them question their own humanity, they’ve already cast doubt on the very value of their life.

Look, those are some heavy accusations, man. Nobody is making death threats here; people are just making his life a little difficult. He's acting like a jerk? Fine, let him deal with it. What am I supposed to do about it? When I park illegally, I pay the fine. Sometimes I push someone's buttons and they take a wrench to my car. That guy with the wrench is the one committing a crime, but we can't start valuing a car's resale price over a human life. You make your own choices—you live with the consequences. Period.

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
No, he isn't going to face consequences for the sake of an animal. He's facing them because he broke the law and acted irresponsibly, uncivilized, and inhuman—essentially, his behavior was completely unacceptable to society. I see why you're defending him, though; you two are cut from the same cloth. 😍

And frankly, from what I can see, he hasn't even "suffered" yet.

Edit:
I think your fundamental misunderstanding of my position stems from the idea that I'm against "killing dogs." You're trying to bait some "crazy animal lover" with cheap provocations, but you're missing the mark. I am against breaking the law and refusing to hold individuals accountable. I am also against a public that is too willing to excuse people for their own actions. Under the Constitution of the United States, the law treats a dog much like a car: just as you're responsible for cleaning up the wreckage of an unwanted vehicle, you are responsible for an unwanted animal. As long as you follow the law and aren't making it my problem, you have total freedom...
And since they already owned the dogs and this happened by accident, they should just be crucified now?
Besides, I'm not here playing trivia games.

Dennis Bailey2 said:

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
I’m a teacher at a high-end prep school. I hold a doctorate. To be blunt, I don't exactly view rural elementary school teachers as the pinnacle of moral authority. It’s a good thing you didn't send me to work in some tiny town in the middle of nowhere. 🤣 It’s a heavy moral dilemma, plain and simple. You're looking at the death of an innocent animal, paired with making life uncomfortable for some guy who clearly can't handle the consequences of his own actions. It's messy.

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
No, they’re suffering because of their own negligence and sheer lack of responsibility. That’s where your perception is off. They had every right to choose NOT to own dogs and NOT to put themselves in that position in the first place.
Look, I’ve never personally been in a position where I had to get rid of an entire litter of puppies. Want to take a guess as to why? 🤷

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
Let me guess. You’re from the coast? Just more typical Appalachian demagoguery. 🤣 Jokes aside, I can't get behind this mountain of nonsense. For whatever reason, people bred these animals to be useful—to guard property, protect the community, provide heat, pull carts, assist in hunting, help with search and rescue, guide the blind, and so on. There's a whole world out there beyond Appalachia. That said, I can certainly agree with one thing: if you feel like a dog, a cat, or a horse is an inconvenience to you, then you're entitled to hold that view. Choosing not to have a pet isn't a lack of empathy. It’s a matter of logistics. People act like if you don't own a dog or a cat, you’re somehow cold or disconnected from nature. That’s nonsense. Owning an animal is a massive commitment of time, money, and mental energy. It’s like buying a house or starting a small business—you don't just "get" one on a whim. You have to consider the overhead. Between the premium kibble, the unexpected vet bills, and the constant upkeep, it becomes a permanent line item in your budget. Then there's the lifestyle constraint. If you want to travel to Chicago for a weekend or take a spontaneous road trip through the Rockies, you can't exactly just leave a creature alone in an apartment. I see people treating pets like accessories, only to realize later they aren't prepared for the reality of the responsibility. I prefer my freedom. I like being able to walk out my front door without checking if a living thing needs something from me first. There is nothing wrong with opting out of that cycle. It’s about knowing your limits and respecting the weight of the commitment..
Look, you don't have the right to violate the Constitution of the United States.
If you don't like it here, then pack your bags and move. 🤷

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
Look, I don't give a damn about the drama, but if you’re in possession of her, then do your job and handle things strictly by the Constitution of the United States. Or better yet, make sure you never had her in the first place. 😬

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
I disagree. Following that logic would mean we should just let everyone working at the factory gates fend for themselves and starve. They aren't capable of surviving on their own without some level of societal support. ☕ Besides, the factory owner is the one who let them loose. 😍
He just snapped. He actually yelled it out loud: "What do my employees have to do with my business anyway?"

Your logic is incredibly flimsy. What about people with severe cognitive impairments? Are we supposed to just let them roam free without any oversight?

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
Look, unlike any other creature out there, humans are supposed to be humane—civilized. You clearly haven't reached that level yet. Personally, I take pride in being able to pinpoint the exact line that separates me from your average dog. It’s a distinction you obviously can't make. 😬
When it comes to comparing the "value" of a life, we’re back to square one: it all boils down to perception. To me, my dog—who is a full-fledged member of my family—holds far more inherent value than someone like Josef Fritzl or Charles Manson. A human being's worth isn't some fixed metric; it's based on... Humanity.If a person acts in a way that makes them question their own humanity, they’ve already cast doubt on the very value of their life.

Look, those are some heavy accusations, man. Nobody is making death threats here; people are just making his life a little difficult. He's acting like a jerk? Fine, let him deal with it. What am I supposed to do about it? When I park illegally, I pay the fine. Sometimes I push someone's buttons and they take a wrench to my car. That guy with the wrench is the one committing a crime, but we can't start valuing a car's resale price over a human life. You make your own choices—you live with the consequences. Period.

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
No, he isn't going to face consequences for the sake of an animal. He's facing them because he broke the law and acted irresponsibly, uncivilized, and inhuman—essentially, his behavior was completely unacceptable to society. I see why you're defending him, though; you two are cut from the same cloth. 😍

And frankly, from what I can see, he hasn't even "suffered" yet.

Edit:
I think your fundamental misunderstanding of my position stems from the idea that I'm against "killing dogs." You're trying to bait some "crazy animal lover" with cheap provocations, but you're missing the mark. I am against breaking the law and refusing to hold individuals accountable. I am also against a public that is too willing to excuse people for their own actions. Under the Constitution of the United States, the law treats a dog much like a car: just as you're responsible for cleaning up the wreckage of an unwanted vehicle, you are responsible for an unwanted animal. As long as you follow the law and aren't making it my problem, you have total freedom...
I'm not that kind of guy (a Dalmatian).
And just so we're clear, humans didn't create dogs—dogs approached humans first, purely for their own benefit.
You shouldn't break laws; you should fight against things that are broken. No law is handed down from God; humans write them, and humans are naturally prone to making mistakes. Laws can change, too. That won't be the first or last time.

Dennis Bailey2 said:

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
I’m a teacher at a high-end prep school. I hold a doctorate. To be blunt, I don't exactly view rural elementary school teachers as the pinnacle of moral authority. It’s a good thing you didn't send me to work in some tiny town in the middle of nowhere. 🤣 It’s a heavy moral dilemma, plain and simple. You're looking at the death of an innocent animal, paired with making life uncomfortable for some guy who clearly can't handle the consequences of his own actions. It's messy.

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
No, they’re suffering because of their own negligence and sheer lack of responsibility. That’s where your perception is off. They had every right to choose NOT to own dogs and NOT to put themselves in that position in the first place.
Look, I’ve never personally been in a position where I had to get rid of an entire litter of puppies. Want to take a guess as to why? 🤷

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
Let me guess. You’re from the coast? Just more typical Appalachian demagoguery. 🤣 Jokes aside, I can't get behind this mountain of nonsense. For whatever reason, people bred these animals to be useful—to guard property, protect the community, provide heat, pull carts, assist in hunting, help with search and rescue, guide the blind, and so on. There's a whole world out there beyond Appalachia. That said, I can certainly agree with one thing: if you feel like a dog, a cat, or a horse is an inconvenience to you, then you're entitled to hold that view. Choosing not to have a pet isn't a lack of empathy. It’s a matter of logistics. People act like if you don't own a dog or a cat, you’re somehow cold or disconnected from nature. That’s nonsense. Owning an animal is a massive commitment of time, money, and mental energy. It’s like buying a house or starting a small business—you don't just "get" one on a whim. You have to consider the overhead. Between the premium kibble, the unexpected vet bills, and the constant upkeep, it becomes a permanent line item in your budget. Then there's the lifestyle constraint. If you want to travel to Chicago for a weekend or take a spontaneous road trip through the Rockies, you can't exactly just leave a creature alone in an apartment. I see people treating pets like accessories, only to realize later they aren't prepared for the reality of the responsibility. I prefer my freedom. I like being able to walk out my front door without checking if a living thing needs something from me first. There is nothing wrong with opting out of that cycle. It’s about knowing your limits and respecting the weight of the commitment..
Look, you don't have the right to violate the Constitution of the United States.
If you don't like it here, then pack your bags and move. 🤷

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
Look, I don't give a damn about the drama, but if you’re in possession of her, then do your job and handle things strictly by the Constitution of the United States. Or better yet, make sure you never had her in the first place. 😬

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
I disagree. Following that logic would mean we should just let everyone working at the factory gates fend for themselves and starve. They aren't capable of surviving on their own without some level of societal support. ☕ Besides, the factory owner is the one who let them loose. 😍
He just snapped. He actually yelled it out loud: "What do my employees have to do with my business anyway?"

Your logic is incredibly flimsy. What about people with severe cognitive impairments? Are we supposed to just let them roam free without any oversight?

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
Look, unlike any other creature out there, humans are supposed to be humane—civilized. You clearly haven't reached that level yet. Personally, I take pride in being able to pinpoint the exact line that separates me from your average dog. It’s a distinction you obviously can't make. 😬
When it comes to comparing the "value" of a life, we’re back to square one: it all boils down to perception. To me, my dog—who is a full-fledged member of my family—holds far more inherent value than someone like Josef Fritzl or Charles Manson. A human being's worth isn't some fixed metric; it's based on... Humanity.If a person acts in a way that makes them question their own humanity, they’ve already cast doubt on the very value of their life.

Look, those are some heavy accusations, man. Nobody is making death threats here; people are just making his life a little difficult. He's acting like a jerk? Fine, let him deal with it. What am I supposed to do about it? When I park illegally, I pay the fine. Sometimes I push someone's buttons and they take a wrench to my car. That guy with the wrench is the one committing a crime, but we can't start valuing a car's resale price over a human life. You make your own choices—you live with the consequences. Period.

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
No, he isn't going to face consequences for the sake of an animal. He's facing them because he broke the law and acted irresponsibly, uncivilized, and inhuman—essentially, his behavior was completely unacceptable to society. I see why you're defending him, though; you two are cut from the same cloth. 😍

And frankly, from what I can see, he hasn't even "suffered" yet.

Edit:
I think your fundamental misunderstanding of my position stems from the idea that I'm against "killing dogs." You're trying to bait some "crazy animal lover" with cheap provocations, but you're missing the mark. I am against breaking the law and refusing to hold individuals accountable. I am also against a public that is too willing to excuse people for their own actions. Under the Constitution of the United States, the law treats a dog much like a car: just as you're responsible for cleaning up the wreckage of an unwanted vehicle, you are responsible for an unwanted animal. As long as you follow the law and aren't making it my problem, you have total freedom...
You're comparing apples to oranges here. People and animals aren't the same thing.

Dennis Bailey2 said:

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
I’m a teacher at a high-end prep school. I hold a doctorate. To be blunt, I don't exactly view rural elementary school teachers as the pinnacle of moral authority. It’s a good thing you didn't send me to work in some tiny town in the middle of nowhere. 🤣 It’s a heavy moral dilemma, plain and simple. You're looking at the death of an innocent animal, paired with making life uncomfortable for some guy who clearly can't handle the consequences of his own actions. It's messy.

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
No, they’re suffering because of their own negligence and sheer lack of responsibility. That’s where your perception is off. They had every right to choose NOT to own dogs and NOT to put themselves in that position in the first place.
Look, I’ve never personally been in a position where I had to get rid of an entire litter of puppies. Want to take a guess as to why? 🤷

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
Let me guess. You’re from the coast? Just more typical Appalachian demagoguery. 🤣 Jokes aside, I can't get behind this mountain of nonsense. For whatever reason, people bred these animals to be useful—to guard property, protect the community, provide heat, pull carts, assist in hunting, help with search and rescue, guide the blind, and so on. There's a whole world out there beyond Appalachia. That said, I can certainly agree with one thing: if you feel like a dog, a cat, or a horse is an inconvenience to you, then you're entitled to hold that view. Choosing not to have a pet isn't a lack of empathy. It’s a matter of logistics. People act like if you don't own a dog or a cat, you’re somehow cold or disconnected from nature. That’s nonsense. Owning an animal is a massive commitment of time, money, and mental energy. It’s like buying a house or starting a small business—you don't just "get" one on a whim. You have to consider the overhead. Between the premium kibble, the unexpected vet bills, and the constant upkeep, it becomes a permanent line item in your budget. Then there's the lifestyle constraint. If you want to travel to Chicago for a weekend or take a spontaneous road trip through the Rockies, you can't exactly just leave a creature alone in an apartment. I see people treating pets like accessories, only to realize later they aren't prepared for the reality of the responsibility. I prefer my freedom. I like being able to walk out my front door without checking if a living thing needs something from me first. There is nothing wrong with opting out of that cycle. It’s about knowing your limits and respecting the weight of the commitment..
Look, you don't have the right to violate the Constitution of the United States.
If you don't like it here, then pack your bags and move. 🤷

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
Look, I don't give a damn about the drama, but if you’re in possession of her, then do your job and handle things strictly by the Constitution of the United States. Or better yet, make sure you never had her in the first place. 😬

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
I disagree. Following that logic would mean we should just let everyone working at the factory gates fend for themselves and starve. They aren't capable of surviving on their own without some level of societal support. ☕ Besides, the factory owner is the one who let them loose. 😍
He just snapped. He actually yelled it out loud: "What do my employees have to do with my business anyway?"

Your logic is incredibly flimsy. What about people with severe cognitive impairments? Are we supposed to just let them roam free without any oversight?

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
Look, unlike any other creature out there, humans are supposed to be humane—civilized. You clearly haven't reached that level yet. Personally, I take pride in being able to pinpoint the exact line that separates me from your average dog. It’s a distinction you obviously can't make. 😬
When it comes to comparing the "value" of a life, we’re back to square one: it all boils down to perception. To me, my dog—who is a full-fledged member of my family—holds far more inherent value than someone like Josef Fritzl or Charles Manson. A human being's worth isn't some fixed metric; it's based on... Humanity.If a person acts in a way that makes them question their own humanity, they’ve already cast doubt on the very value of their life.

Look, those are some heavy accusations, man. Nobody is making death threats here; people are just making his life a little difficult. He's acting like a jerk? Fine, let him deal with it. What am I supposed to do about it? When I park illegally, I pay the fine. Sometimes I push someone's buttons and they take a wrench to my car. That guy with the wrench is the one committing a crime, but we can't start valuing a car's resale price over a human life. You make your own choices—you live with the consequences. Period.

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
No, he isn't going to face consequences for the sake of an animal. He's facing them because he broke the law and acted irresponsibly, uncivilized, and inhuman—essentially, his behavior was completely unacceptable to society. I see why you're defending him, though; you two are cut from the same cloth. 😍

And frankly, from what I can see, he hasn't even "suffered" yet.

Edit:
I think your fundamental misunderstanding of my position stems from the idea that I'm against "killing dogs." You're trying to bait some "crazy animal lover" with cheap provocations, but you're missing the mark. I am against breaking the law and refusing to hold individuals accountable. I am also against a public that is too willing to excuse people for their own actions. Under the Constitution of the United States, the law treats a dog much like a car: just as you're responsible for cleaning up the wreckage of an unwanted vehicle, you are responsible for an unwanted animal. As long as you follow the law and aren't making it my problem, you have total freedom...
I don't really care if I'm "civilized" if a grizzly bear decides to eat me, I guess. 😕
Do you eat bacon and lamb in a "civilized" way?

Dennis Bailey2 said:

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
I’m a teacher at a high-end prep school. I hold a doctorate. To be blunt, I don't exactly view rural elementary school teachers as the pinnacle of moral authority. It’s a good thing you didn't send me to work in some tiny town in the middle of nowhere. 🤣 It’s a heavy moral dilemma, plain and simple. You're looking at the death of an innocent animal, paired with making life uncomfortable for some guy who clearly can't handle the consequences of his own actions. It's messy.

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
No, they’re suffering because of their own negligence and sheer lack of responsibility. That’s where your perception is off. They had every right to choose NOT to own dogs and NOT to put themselves in that position in the first place.
Look, I’ve never personally been in a position where I had to get rid of an entire litter of puppies. Want to take a guess as to why? 🤷

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
Let me guess. You’re from the coast? Just more typical Appalachian demagoguery. 🤣 Jokes aside, I can't get behind this mountain of nonsense. For whatever reason, people bred these animals to be useful—to guard property, protect the community, provide heat, pull carts, assist in hunting, help with search and rescue, guide the blind, and so on. There's a whole world out there beyond Appalachia. That said, I can certainly agree with one thing: if you feel like a dog, a cat, or a horse is an inconvenience to you, then you're entitled to hold that view. Choosing not to have a pet isn't a lack of empathy. It’s a matter of logistics. People act like if you don't own a dog or a cat, you’re somehow cold or disconnected from nature. That’s nonsense. Owning an animal is a massive commitment of time, money, and mental energy. It’s like buying a house or starting a small business—you don't just "get" one on a whim. You have to consider the overhead. Between the premium kibble, the unexpected vet bills, and the constant upkeep, it becomes a permanent line item in your budget. Then there's the lifestyle constraint. If you want to travel to Chicago for a weekend or take a spontaneous road trip through the Rockies, you can't exactly just leave a creature alone in an apartment. I see people treating pets like accessories, only to realize later they aren't prepared for the reality of the responsibility. I prefer my freedom. I like being able to walk out my front door without checking if a living thing needs something from me first. There is nothing wrong with opting out of that cycle. It’s about knowing your limits and respecting the weight of the commitment..
Look, you don't have the right to violate the Constitution of the United States.
If you don't like it here, then pack your bags and move. 🤷

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
Look, I don't give a damn about the drama, but if you’re in possession of her, then do your job and handle things strictly by the Constitution of the United States. Or better yet, make sure you never had her in the first place. 😬

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
I disagree. Following that logic would mean we should just let everyone working at the factory gates fend for themselves and starve. They aren't capable of surviving on their own without some level of societal support. ☕ Besides, the factory owner is the one who let them loose. 😍
He just snapped. He actually yelled it out loud: "What do my employees have to do with my business anyway?"

Your logic is incredibly flimsy. What about people with severe cognitive impairments? Are we supposed to just let them roam free without any oversight?

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
Look, unlike any other creature out there, humans are supposed to be humane—civilized. You clearly haven't reached that level yet. Personally, I take pride in being able to pinpoint the exact line that separates me from your average dog. It’s a distinction you obviously can't make. 😬
When it comes to comparing the "value" of a life, we’re back to square one: it all boils down to perception. To me, my dog—who is a full-fledged member of my family—holds far more inherent value than someone like Josef Fritzl or Charles Manson. A human being's worth isn't some fixed metric; it's based on... Humanity.If a person acts in a way that makes them question their own humanity, they’ve already cast doubt on the very value of their life.

Look, those are some heavy accusations, man. Nobody is making death threats here; people are just making his life a little difficult. He's acting like a jerk? Fine, let him deal with it. What am I supposed to do about it? When I park illegally, I pay the fine. Sometimes I push someone's buttons and they take a wrench to my car. That guy with the wrench is the one committing a crime, but we can't start valuing a car's resale price over a human life. You make your own choices—you live with the consequences. Period.

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
No, he isn't going to face consequences for the sake of an animal. He's facing them because he broke the law and acted irresponsibly, uncivilized, and inhuman—essentially, his behavior was completely unacceptable to society. I see why you're defending him, though; you two are cut from the same cloth. 😍

And frankly, from what I can see, he hasn't even "suffered" yet.

Edit:
I think your fundamental misunderstanding of my position stems from the idea that I'm against "killing dogs." You're trying to bait some "crazy animal lover" with cheap provocations, but you're missing the mark. I am against breaking the law and refusing to hold individuals accountable. I am also against a public that is too willing to excuse people for their own actions. Under the Constitution of the United States, the law treats a dog much like a car: just as you're responsible for cleaning up the wreckage of an unwanted vehicle, you are responsible for an unwanted animal. As long as you follow the law and aren't making it my problem, you have total freedom...
If I had to choose between 100 dogs and one person, I'd probably save the person.

Dennis Bailey2 said:

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
I’m a teacher at a high-end prep school. I hold a doctorate. To be blunt, I don't exactly view rural elementary school teachers as the pinnacle of moral authority. It’s a good thing you didn't send me to work in some tiny town in the middle of nowhere. 🤣 It’s a heavy moral dilemma, plain and simple. You're looking at the death of an innocent animal, paired with making life uncomfortable for some guy who clearly can't handle the consequences of his own actions. It's messy.

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
No, they’re suffering because of their own negligence and sheer lack of responsibility. That’s where your perception is off. They had every right to choose NOT to own dogs and NOT to put themselves in that position in the first place.
Look, I’ve never personally been in a position where I had to get rid of an entire litter of puppies. Want to take a guess as to why? 🤷

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
Let me guess. You’re from the coast? Just more typical Appalachian demagoguery. 🤣 Jokes aside, I can't get behind this mountain of nonsense. For whatever reason, people bred these animals to be useful—to guard property, protect the community, provide heat, pull carts, assist in hunting, help with search and rescue, guide the blind, and so on. There's a whole world out there beyond Appalachia. That said, I can certainly agree with one thing: if you feel like a dog, a cat, or a horse is an inconvenience to you, then you're entitled to hold that view. Choosing not to have a pet isn't a lack of empathy. It’s a matter of logistics. People act like if you don't own a dog or a cat, you’re somehow cold or disconnected from nature. That’s nonsense. Owning an animal is a massive commitment of time, money, and mental energy. It’s like buying a house or starting a small business—you don't just "get" one on a whim. You have to consider the overhead. Between the premium kibble, the unexpected vet bills, and the constant upkeep, it becomes a permanent line item in your budget. Then there's the lifestyle constraint. If you want to travel to Chicago for a weekend or take a spontaneous road trip through the Rockies, you can't exactly just leave a creature alone in an apartment. I see people treating pets like accessories, only to realize later they aren't prepared for the reality of the responsibility. I prefer my freedom. I like being able to walk out my front door without checking if a living thing needs something from me first. There is nothing wrong with opting out of that cycle. It’s about knowing your limits and respecting the weight of the commitment..
Look, you don't have the right to violate the Constitution of the United States.
If you don't like it here, then pack your bags and move. 🤷

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
Look, I don't give a damn about the drama, but if you’re in possession of her, then do your job and handle things strictly by the Constitution of the United States. Or better yet, make sure you never had her in the first place. 😬

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
I disagree. Following that logic would mean we should just let everyone working at the factory gates fend for themselves and starve. They aren't capable of surviving on their own without some level of societal support. ☕ Besides, the factory owner is the one who let them loose. 😍
He just snapped. He actually yelled it out loud: "What do my employees have to do with my business anyway?"

Your logic is incredibly flimsy. What about people with severe cognitive impairments? Are we supposed to just let them roam free without any oversight?

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
Look, unlike any other creature out there, humans are supposed to be humane—civilized. You clearly haven't reached that level yet. Personally, I take pride in being able to pinpoint the exact line that separates me from your average dog. It’s a distinction you obviously can't make. 😬
When it comes to comparing the "value" of a life, we’re back to square one: it all boils down to perception. To me, my dog—who is a full-fledged member of my family—holds far more inherent value than someone like Josef Fritzl or Charles Manson. A human being's worth isn't some fixed metric; it's based on... Humanity.If a person acts in a way that makes them question their own humanity, they’ve already cast doubt on the very value of their life.

Look, those are some heavy accusations, man. Nobody is making death threats here; people are just making his life a little difficult. He's acting like a jerk? Fine, let him deal with it. What am I supposed to do about it? When I park illegally, I pay the fine. Sometimes I push someone's buttons and they take a wrench to my car. That guy with the wrench is the one committing a crime, but we can't start valuing a car's resale price over a human life. You make your own choices—you live with the consequences. Period.

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
No, he isn't going to face consequences for the sake of an animal. He's facing them because he broke the law and acted irresponsibly, uncivilized, and inhuman—essentially, his behavior was completely unacceptable to society. I see why you're defending him, though; you two are cut from the same cloth. 😍

And frankly, from what I can see, he hasn't even "suffered" yet.

Edit:
I think your fundamental misunderstanding of my position stems from the idea that I'm against "killing dogs." You're trying to bait some "crazy animal lover" with cheap provocations, but you're missing the mark. I am against breaking the law and refusing to hold individuals accountable. I am also against a public that is too willing to excuse people for their own actions. Under the Constitution of the United States, the law treats a dog much like a car: just as you're responsible for cleaning up the wreckage of an unwanted vehicle, you are responsible for an unwanted animal. As long as you follow the law and aren't making it my problem, you have total freedom...
Thank God if that's the case. Means there might actually be some smart people left in this world. ☕
Paul Thomas46 Paul Thomas46 Active Member
101 messages
joined Jan 2018
#47 ·
Michael Collins76 said:I honestly thought I was talking to some modern-day Madame Bovary. I raise pigs, so I figured we were basically on the same level.

And since they already owned the dogs and this happened by accident, they should just be crucified now?
Besides, I'm not here playing trivia games.

I'm not that kind of guy (a Dalmatian).
And just so we're clear, humans didn't create dogs—dogs approached humans first, purely for their own benefit.
You shouldn't break laws; you should fight against things that are broken. No law is handed down from God; humans write them, and humans are naturally prone to making mistakes. Laws can change, too. That won't be the first or last time.

You're comparing apples to oranges here. People and animals aren't the same thing.

I don't really care if I'm "civilized" if a grizzly bear decides to eat me, I guess. 😕
Do you eat bacon and lamb in a "civilized" way?

If I had to choose between 100 dogs and one person, I'd probably save the person.

Thank God if that's the case. Means there might actually be some smart people left in this world. ☕

But what if that person happens to be a politician? 😬

To ensure society actually progresses—and stays civilized—we have to establish rules for coexistence. Animal regulations fall right into that category—just like HOA rules or traffic laws out on the highway.
We moved past the "do whatever you want" phase of civilization a long time ago. If you decide to keep animals, the responsibility for managing their breeding lies with you—much like making sure your sheep aren't wandering through a downtown plaza. It's far too easy to just let them multiply uncontrollably and then expect someone else to deal with the fallout. As if I'd want to be stuck fixing fences or cleaning up after them, too...☕
Michael Collins76 Michael Collins76 Newcomer
9 messages
joined Oct 2011
#48 ·
Paul Thomas46 said:But what if that person happens to be a politician? 😬

To ensure society actually progresses—and stays civilized—we have to establish rules for coexistence. Animal regulations fall right into that category—just like HOA rules or traffic laws out on the highway.
We moved past the "do whatever you want" phase of civilization a long time ago. If you decide to keep animals, the responsibility for managing their breeding lies with you—much like making sure your sheep aren't wandering through a downtown plaza. It's far too easy to just let them multiply uncontrollably and then expect someone else to deal with the fallout. As if I'd want to be stuck fixing fences or cleaning up after them, too...☕

I mean, honestly—is there anything more satisfying than seeing a politician get caught? Watching them rot in a federal prison later... I think that’s a pretty great way to spend an afternoon.🤣
Paul Thomas46 Paul Thomas46 Active Member
101 messages
joined Jan 2018
#49 ·
Michael Collins76 said:I mean, honestly—is there anything more satisfying than seeing a politician get caught? Watching them rot in a federal prison later... I think that’s a pretty great way to spend an afternoon.🤣

I don't know—I could probably list at least ten people right now who wouldn't just save them, but would actually set those hundred dogs loose on them instead...😁
Michael Collins76 Michael Collins76 Newcomer
9 messages
joined Oct 2011
#50 ·
I guess I should probably add my two cents here—though I'm hardly an expert. Maybe just a thought.
Paul Thomas46 said:I don't know—I could probably list at least ten people right now who wouldn't just save them, but would actually set those hundred dogs loose on them instead...😁

I mean, honestly—the dogs would probably just tear them apart, and then my coworker would... well, you know. I guess I'll just stick to my usual routine—nothing too crazy—but maybe things will shift eventually. Or they won't. Who knows? She’s pretty mad at you—I guess.
I mean, I’d probably just force ten of them to eat 100 dogs—it would be pretty interesting, I guess.😂
Dennis Bailey2 Dennis Bailey2 Active Member
76 messages
joined Oct 2013
#51 ·
Michael Collins76 said:I honestly thought I was talking to some modern-day Madame Bovary. I raise pigs, so I figured we were basically on the same level.

And since they already owned the dogs and this happened by accident, they should just be crucified now?
Besides, I'm not here playing trivia games.

I'm not that kind of guy (a Dalmatian).
And just so we're clear, humans didn't create dogs—dogs approached humans first, purely for their own benefit.
You shouldn't break laws; you should fight against things that are broken. No law is handed down from God; humans write them, and humans are naturally prone to making mistakes. Laws can change, too. That won't be the first or last time.

You're comparing apples to oranges here. People and animals aren't the same thing.

I don't really care if I'm "civilized" if a grizzly bear decides to eat me, I guess. 😕
Do you eat bacon and lamb in a "civilized" way?

If I had to choose between 100 dogs and one person, I'd probably save the person.

Thank God if that's the case. Means there might actually be some smart people left in this world. ☕

I don't get it—are you trying to insult me by calling me a hillbilly? Look, I am a country guy, though I don't work livestock, so being insulted for being a farmer actually stings a bit.
But we aren't on the same level, and we never will be. I respect life; you just respect your own backside.

Michael Collins76 said:I honestly thought I was talking to some modern-day Madame Bovary. I raise pigs, so I figured we were basically on the same level.

And since they already owned the dogs and this happened by accident, they should just be crucified now?
Besides, I'm not here playing trivia games.

I'm not that kind of guy (a Dalmatian).
And just so we're clear, humans didn't create dogs—dogs approached humans first, purely for their own benefit.
You shouldn't break laws; you should fight against things that are broken. No law is handed down from God; humans write them, and humans are naturally prone to making mistakes. Laws can change, too. That won't be the first or last time.

You're comparing apples to oranges here. People and animals aren't the same thing.

I don't really care if I'm "civilized" if a grizzly bear decides to eat me, I guess. 😕
Do you eat bacon and lamb in a "civilized" way?

If I had to choose between 100 dogs and one person, I'd probably save the person.

Thank God if that's the case. Means there might actually be some smart people left in this world. ☕

Unfortunately, mistakes have consequences. That's fine; otherwise, people wouldn't learn from them. It seems to me others will be a little more careful next time while their cattle are being driven! 😂 And maybe a few others will think twice.

Michael Collins76 said:I honestly thought I was talking to some modern-day Madame Bovary. I raise pigs, so I figured we were basically on the same level.

And since they already owned the dogs and this happened by accident, they should just be crucified now?
Besides, I'm not here playing trivia games.

I'm not that kind of guy (a Dalmatian).
And just so we're clear, humans didn't create dogs—dogs approached humans first, purely for their own benefit.
You shouldn't break laws; you should fight against things that are broken. No law is handed down from God; humans write them, and humans are naturally prone to making mistakes. Laws can change, too. That won't be the first or last time.

You're comparing apples to oranges here. People and animals aren't the same thing.

I don't really care if I'm "civilized" if a grizzly bear decides to eat me, I guess. 😕
Do you eat bacon and lamb in a "civilized" way?

If I had to choose between 100 dogs and one person, I'd probably save the person.

Thank God if that's the case. Means there might actually be some smart people left in this world. ☕

And humans accepted them because...? 😬
Don't give me that: the point remains—if you have a dog, take care of it according to the law. A dog, a hamster, a bear, a pig—it doesn't matter. If it's YOURS, it is YOUR concern and YOUR responsibility.
It's unbelievable how nobody here wants to take any responsibility.

Michael Collins76 said:I honestly thought I was talking to some modern-day Madame Bovary. I raise pigs, so I figured we were basically on the same level.

And since they already owned the dogs and this happened by accident, they should just be crucified now?
Besides, I'm not here playing trivia games.

I'm not that kind of guy (a Dalmatian).
And just so we're clear, humans didn't create dogs—dogs approached humans first, purely for their own benefit.
You shouldn't break laws; you should fight against things that are broken. No law is handed down from God; humans write them, and humans are naturally prone to making mistakes. Laws can change, too. That won't be the first or last time.

You're comparing apples to oranges here. People and animals aren't the same thing.

I don't really care if I'm "civilized" if a grizzly bear decides to eat me, I guess. 😕
Do you eat bacon and lamb in a "civilized" way?

If I had to choose between 100 dogs and one person, I'd probably save the person.

Thank God if that's the case. Means there might actually be some smart people left in this world. ☕

I completely agree; the law is terrible. If the minimum penalty for unauthorized breeding and dealing with dogs were $40 $0.00 and 200 hours of community service, and if it were actually enforced, a bottom-feeder like this guy would be reformed in no time.

Michael Collins76 said:I honestly thought I was talking to some modern-day Madame Bovary. I raise pigs, so I figured we were basically on the same level.

And since they already owned the dogs and this happened by accident, they should just be crucified now?
Besides, I'm not here playing trivia games.

I'm not that kind of guy (a Dalmatian).
And just so we're clear, humans didn't create dogs—dogs approached humans first, purely for their own benefit.
You shouldn't break laws; you should fight against things that are broken. No law is handed down from God; humans write them, and humans are naturally prone to making mistakes. Laws can change, too. That won't be the first or last time.

You're comparing apples to oranges here. People and animals aren't the same thing.

I don't really care if I'm "civilized" if a grizzly bear decides to eat me, I guess. 😕
Do you eat bacon and lamb in a "civilized" way?

If I had to choose between 100 dogs and one person, I'd probably save the person.

Thank God if that's the case. Means there might actually be some smart people left in this world. ☕

And you’re comparing things that aren't comparable too—dying in agony versus a bit of annoyance. No one is blaming you for that logic. But humans and animals aren't two separate categories, man. We're primates.😍
Michael Collins76 said:I honestly thought I was talking to some modern-day Madame Bovary. I raise pigs, so I figured we were basically on the same level.

And since they already owned the dogs and this happened by accident, they should just be crucified now?
Besides, I'm not here playing trivia games.

I'm not that kind of guy (a Dalmatian).
And just so we're clear, humans didn't create dogs—dogs approached humans first, purely for their own benefit.
You shouldn't break laws; you should fight against things that are broken. No law is handed down from God; humans write them, and humans are naturally prone to making mistakes. Laws can change, too. That won't be the first or last time.

You're comparing apples to oranges here. People and animals aren't the same thing.

I don't really care if I'm "civilized" if a grizzly bear decides to eat me, I guess. 😕
Do you eat bacon and lamb in a "civilized" way?

If I had to choose between 100 dogs and one person, I'd probably save the person.

Thank God if that's the case. Means there might actually be some smart people left in this world. ☕

That’s a fair question, but it’s irrelevant to the argument. For what it's worth, I don't eat prosciutto or lamb either, though that's also completely beside the point.
I care deeply about being humane. The moment I stop caring whether a bear eats you, or whether five dogs die in agony because some irresponsible idiot failed them, you can go ahead and turn me into bacon. I wouldn't be worth anything else.☕

Michael Collins76 said:I honestly thought I was talking to some modern-day Madame Bovary. I raise pigs, so I figured we were basically on the same level.

And since they already owned the dogs and this happened by accident, they should just be crucified now?
Besides, I'm not here playing trivia games.

I'm not that kind of guy (a Dalmatian).
And just so we're clear, humans didn't create dogs—dogs approached humans first, purely for their own benefit.
You shouldn't break laws; you should fight against things that are broken. No law is handed down from God; humans write them, and humans are naturally prone to making mistakes. Laws can change, too. That won't be the first or last time.

You're comparing apples to oranges here. People and animals aren't the same thing.

I don't really care if I'm "civilized" if a grizzly bear decides to eat me, I guess. 😕
Do you eat bacon and lamb in a "civilized" way?

If I had to choose between 100 dogs and one person, I'd probably save the person.

Thank God if that's the case. Means there might actually be some smart people left in this world. ☕

The choice you would make 🙄 doesn't give any human the right to torture or kill other living creatures against the law, nor does it justify creating those creatures just to cause them pain because someone's ego was bruised and they want nature to pay the price.
If I had to choose between one dog and 100 people who are murderers, rapists, or pedophiles... the dog would have a very good day. ☕ The idea that "human life is more valuable than animal life" only holds water if the human actually acts like a human.

Michael Collins76 said:I honestly thought I was talking to some modern-day Madame Bovary. I raise pigs, so I figured we were basically on the same level.

And since they already owned the dogs and this happened by accident, they should just be crucified now?
Besides, I'm not here playing trivia games.

I'm not that kind of guy (a Dalmatian).
And just so we're clear, humans didn't create dogs—dogs approached humans first, purely for their own benefit.
You shouldn't break laws; you should fight against things that are broken. No law is handed down from God; humans write them, and humans are naturally prone to making mistakes. Laws can change, too. That won't be the first or last time.

You're comparing apples to oranges here. People and animals aren't the same thing.

I don't really care if I'm "civilized" if a grizzly bear decides to eat me, I guess. 😕
Do you eat bacon and lamb in a "civilized" way?

If I had to choose between 100 dogs and one person, I'd probably save the person.

Thank God if that's the case. Means there might actually be some smart people left in this world. ☕

🙄
Did you actually bother reading the article, or are you just talking nonsense without any basis in reality?
Some guy spat right in front of the shop where this woman works—not at her, mind you, but in front of her business. People were giving him nasty looks, and even local kids were asking if their dads were animal abusers. Beyond being completely uncivilized, this kind of harassment is exactly what fans of any underdog sports team in a tough neighborhood have to deal with constantly.🙄
It’s absolutely horrific, truly appalling, and honestly indescribable how he barely escaped with his dignity intact!!!
The way I see it, the guy should have acted like a real man. He should have issued a public apology, admitted he messed up, had his dog fixed, and calmly explained to the kids that an accident happened, he was responsible, and he's learned his lesson. A little bit of volunteer work for a local animal shelter—helping out with walks or basic care—probably wouldn't hurt either.
But no, instead, he sent his buddies to go intimidate the animal control officers.🙄
Michael Collins76 Michael Collins76 Newcomer
9 messages
joined Oct 2011
#52 ·
Dennis Bailey2 said:I don't get it—are you trying to insult me by calling me a hillbilly? Look, I am a country guy, though I don't work livestock, so being insulted for being a farmer actually stings a bit.
But we aren't on the same level, and we never will be. I respect life; you just respect your own backside.

Unfortunately, mistakes have consequences. That's fine; otherwise, people wouldn't learn from them. It seems to me others will be a little more careful next time while their cattle are being driven! 😂 And maybe a few others will think twice.

And humans accepted them because...? 😬
Don't give me that: the point remains—if you have a dog, take care of it according to the law. A dog, a hamster, a bear, a pig—it doesn't matter. If it's YOURS, it is YOUR concern and YOUR responsibility.
It's unbelievable how nobody here wants to take any responsibility.

I completely agree; the law is terrible. If the minimum penalty for unauthorized breeding and dealing with dogs were $40 $0.00 and 200 hours of community service, and if it were actually enforced, a bottom-feeder like this guy would be reformed in no time.

And you’re comparing things that aren't comparable too—dying in agony versus a bit of annoyance. No one is blaming you for that logic. But humans and animals aren't two separate categories, man. We're primates.😍

That’s a fair question, but it’s irrelevant to the argument. For what it's worth, I don't eat prosciutto or lamb either, though that's also completely beside the point.
I care deeply about being humane. The moment I stop caring whether a bear eats you, or whether five dogs die in agony because some irresponsible idiot failed them, you can go ahead and turn me into bacon. I wouldn't be worth anything else.☕

The choice you would make 🙄 doesn't give any human the right to torture or kill other living creatures against the law, nor does it justify creating those creatures just to cause them pain because someone's ego was bruised and they want nature to pay the price.
If I had to choose between one dog and 100 people who are murderers, rapists, or pedophiles... the dog would have a very good day. ☕ The idea that "human life is more valuable than animal life" only holds water if the human actually acts like a human.

🙄
Did you actually bother reading the article, or are you just talking nonsense without any basis in reality?
Some guy spat right in front of the shop where this woman works—not at her, mind you, but in front of her business. People were giving him nasty looks, and even local kids were asking if their dads were animal abusers. Beyond being completely uncivilized, this kind of harassment is exactly what fans of any underdog sports team in a tough neighborhood have to deal with constantly.🙄
It’s absolutely horrific, truly appalling, and honestly indescribable how he barely escaped with his dignity intact!!!
The way I see it, the guy should have acted like a real man. He should have issued a public apology, admitted he messed up, had his dog fixed, and calmly explained to the kids that an accident happened, he was responsible, and he's learned his lesson. A little bit of volunteer work for a local animal shelter—helping out with walks or basic care—probably wouldn't hurt either.
But no, instead, he sent his buddies to go intimidate the animal control officers.🙄

So, I see you're out here dragging rural teachers through the mud—kind of like how everything revolved around Madame Bovary, I guess.

I guess I should probably mention—if anyone actually cares—that I saw what Michael Collins76 posted earlier. It was... interesting, I suppose. Maybe?
Dennis Bailey2 said:I don't get it—are you trying to insult me by calling me a hillbilly? Look, I am a country guy, though I don't work livestock, so being insulted for being a farmer actually stings a bit.
But we aren't on the same level, and we never will be. I respect life; you just respect your own backside.

Unfortunately, mistakes have consequences. That's fine; otherwise, people wouldn't learn from them. It seems to me others will be a little more careful next time while their cattle are being driven! 😂 And maybe a few others will think twice.

And humans accepted them because...? 😬
Don't give me that: the point remains—if you have a dog, take care of it according to the law. A dog, a hamster, a bear, a pig—it doesn't matter. If it's YOURS, it is YOUR concern and YOUR responsibility.
It's unbelievable how nobody here wants to take any responsibility.

I completely agree; the law is terrible. If the minimum penalty for unauthorized breeding and dealing with dogs were $40 $0.00 and 200 hours of community service, and if it were actually enforced, a bottom-feeder like this guy would be reformed in no time.

And you’re comparing things that aren't comparable too—dying in agony versus a bit of annoyance. No one is blaming you for that logic. But humans and animals aren't two separate categories, man. We're primates.😍

That’s a fair question, but it’s irrelevant to the argument. For what it's worth, I don't eat prosciutto or lamb either, though that's also completely beside the point.
I care deeply about being humane. The moment I stop caring whether a bear eats you, or whether five dogs die in agony because some irresponsible idiot failed them, you can go ahead and turn me into bacon. I wouldn't be worth anything else.☕

The choice you would make 🙄 doesn't give any human the right to torture or kill other living creatures against the law, nor does it justify creating those creatures just to cause them pain because someone's ego was bruised and they want nature to pay the price.
If I had to choose between one dog and 100 people who are murderers, rapists, or pedophiles... the dog would have a very good day. ☕ The idea that "human life is more valuable than animal life" only holds water if the human actually acts like a human.

🙄
Did you actually bother reading the article, or are you just talking nonsense without any basis in reality?
Some guy spat right in front of the shop where this woman works—not at her, mind you, but in front of her business. People were giving him nasty looks, and even local kids were asking if their dads were animal abusers. Beyond being completely uncivilized, this kind of harassment is exactly what fans of any underdog sports team in a tough neighborhood have to deal with constantly.🙄
It’s absolutely horrific, truly appalling, and honestly indescribable how he barely escaped with his dignity intact!!!
The way I see it, the guy should have acted like a real man. He should have issued a public apology, admitted he messed up, had his dog fixed, and calmly explained to the kids that an accident happened, he was responsible, and he's learned his lesson. A little bit of volunteer work for a local animal shelter—helping out with walks or basic care—probably wouldn't hurt either.
But no, instead, he sent his buddies to go intimidate the animal control officers.🙄

Because they messed up—I guess.

Dennis Bailey2 said:I don't get it—are you trying to insult me by calling me a hillbilly? Look, I am a country guy, though I don't work livestock, so being insulted for being a farmer actually stings a bit.
But we aren't on the same level, and we never will be. I respect life; you just respect your own backside.

Unfortunately, mistakes have consequences. That's fine; otherwise, people wouldn't learn from them. It seems to me others will be a little more careful next time while their cattle are being driven! 😂 And maybe a few others will think twice.

And humans accepted them because...? 😬
Don't give me that: the point remains—if you have a dog, take care of it according to the law. A dog, a hamster, a bear, a pig—it doesn't matter. If it's YOURS, it is YOUR concern and YOUR responsibility.
It's unbelievable how nobody here wants to take any responsibility.

I completely agree; the law is terrible. If the minimum penalty for unauthorized breeding and dealing with dogs were $40 $0.00 and 200 hours of community service, and if it were actually enforced, a bottom-feeder like this guy would be reformed in no time.

And you’re comparing things that aren't comparable too—dying in agony versus a bit of annoyance. No one is blaming you for that logic. But humans and animals aren't two separate categories, man. We're primates.😍

That’s a fair question, but it’s irrelevant to the argument. For what it's worth, I don't eat prosciutto or lamb either, though that's also completely beside the point.
I care deeply about being humane. The moment I stop caring whether a bear eats you, or whether five dogs die in agony because some irresponsible idiot failed them, you can go ahead and turn me into bacon. I wouldn't be worth anything else.☕

The choice you would make 🙄 doesn't give any human the right to torture or kill other living creatures against the law, nor does it justify creating those creatures just to cause them pain because someone's ego was bruised and they want nature to pay the price.
If I had to choose between one dog and 100 people who are murderers, rapists, or pedophiles... the dog would have a very good day. ☕ The idea that "human life is more valuable than animal life" only holds water if the human actually acts like a human.

🙄
Did you actually bother reading the article, or are you just talking nonsense without any basis in reality?
Some guy spat right in front of the shop where this woman works—not at her, mind you, but in front of her business. People were giving him nasty looks, and even local kids were asking if their dads were animal abusers. Beyond being completely uncivilized, this kind of harassment is exactly what fans of any underdog sports team in a tough neighborhood have to deal with constantly.🙄
It’s absolutely horrific, truly appalling, and honestly indescribable how he barely escaped with his dignity intact!!!
The way I see it, the guy should have acted like a real man. He should have issued a public apology, admitted he messed up, had his dog fixed, and calmly explained to the kids that an accident happened, he was responsible, and he's learned his lesson. A little bit of volunteer work for a local animal shelter—helping out with walks or basic care—probably wouldn't hurt either.
But no, instead, he sent his buddies to go intimidate the animal control officers.🙄

Don't be ridiculous. Like anyone actually cares about some flimsy little bag of lint—it’s not that deep, I guess.😂

Dennis Bailey2 said:I don't get it—are you trying to insult me by calling me a hillbilly? Look, I am a country guy, though I don't work livestock, so being insulted for being a farmer actually stings a bit.
But we aren't on the same level, and we never will be. I respect life; you just respect your own backside.

Unfortunately, mistakes have consequences. That's fine; otherwise, people wouldn't learn from them. It seems to me others will be a little more careful next time while their cattle are being driven! 😂 And maybe a few others will think twice.

And humans accepted them because...? 😬
Don't give me that: the point remains—if you have a dog, take care of it according to the law. A dog, a hamster, a bear, a pig—it doesn't matter. If it's YOURS, it is YOUR concern and YOUR responsibility.
It's unbelievable how nobody here wants to take any responsibility.

I completely agree; the law is terrible. If the minimum penalty for unauthorized breeding and dealing with dogs were $40 $0.00 and 200 hours of community service, and if it were actually enforced, a bottom-feeder like this guy would be reformed in no time.

And you’re comparing things that aren't comparable too—dying in agony versus a bit of annoyance. No one is blaming you for that logic. But humans and animals aren't two separate categories, man. We're primates.😍

That’s a fair question, but it’s irrelevant to the argument. For what it's worth, I don't eat prosciutto or lamb either, though that's also completely beside the point.
I care deeply about being humane. The moment I stop caring whether a bear eats you, or whether five dogs die in agony because some irresponsible idiot failed them, you can go ahead and turn me into bacon. I wouldn't be worth anything else.☕

The choice you would make 🙄 doesn't give any human the right to torture or kill other living creatures against the law, nor does it justify creating those creatures just to cause them pain because someone's ego was bruised and they want nature to pay the price.
If I had to choose between one dog and 100 people who are murderers, rapists, or pedophiles... the dog would have a very good day. ☕ The idea that "human life is more valuable than animal life" only holds water if the human actually acts like a human.

🙄
Did you actually bother reading the article, or are you just talking nonsense without any basis in reality?
Some guy spat right in front of the shop where this woman works—not at her, mind you, but in front of her business. People were giving him nasty looks, and even local kids were asking if their dads were animal abusers. Beyond being completely uncivilized, this kind of harassment is exactly what fans of any underdog sports team in a tough neighborhood have to deal with constantly.🙄
It’s absolutely horrific, truly appalling, and honestly indescribable how he barely escaped with his dignity intact!!!
The way I see it, the guy should have acted like a real man. He should have issued a public apology, admitted he messed up, had his dog fixed, and calmly explained to the kids that an accident happened, he was responsible, and he's learned his lesson. A little bit of volunteer work for a local animal shelter—helping out with walks or basic care—probably wouldn't hurt either.
But no, instead, he sent his buddies to go intimidate the animal control officers.🙄

...or just fight to change them. I guess.

Dennis Bailey2 said:I don't get it—are you trying to insult me by calling me a hillbilly? Look, I am a country guy, though I don't work livestock, so being insulted for being a farmer actually stings a bit.
But we aren't on the same level, and we never will be. I respect life; you just respect your own backside.

Unfortunately, mistakes have consequences. That's fine; otherwise, people wouldn't learn from them. It seems to me others will be a little more careful next time while their cattle are being driven! 😂 And maybe a few others will think twice.

And humans accepted them because...? 😬
Don't give me that: the point remains—if you have a dog, take care of it according to the law. A dog, a hamster, a bear, a pig—it doesn't matter. If it's YOURS, it is YOUR concern and YOUR responsibility.
It's unbelievable how nobody here wants to take any responsibility.

I completely agree; the law is terrible. If the minimum penalty for unauthorized breeding and dealing with dogs were $40 $0.00 and 200 hours of community service, and if it were actually enforced, a bottom-feeder like this guy would be reformed in no time.

And you’re comparing things that aren't comparable too—dying in agony versus a bit of annoyance. No one is blaming you for that logic. But humans and animals aren't two separate categories, man. We're primates.😍

That’s a fair question, but it’s irrelevant to the argument. For what it's worth, I don't eat prosciutto or lamb either, though that's also completely beside the point.
I care deeply about being humane. The moment I stop caring whether a bear eats you, or whether five dogs die in agony because some irresponsible idiot failed them, you can go ahead and turn me into bacon. I wouldn't be worth anything else.☕

The choice you would make 🙄 doesn't give any human the right to torture or kill other living creatures against the law, nor does it justify creating those creatures just to cause them pain because someone's ego was bruised and they want nature to pay the price.
If I had to choose between one dog and 100 people who are murderers, rapists, or pedophiles... the dog would have a very good day. ☕ The idea that "human life is more valuable than animal life" only holds water if the human actually acts like a human.

🙄
Did you actually bother reading the article, or are you just talking nonsense without any basis in reality?
Some guy spat right in front of the shop where this woman works—not at her, mind you, but in front of her business. People were giving him nasty looks, and even local kids were asking if their dads were animal abusers. Beyond being completely uncivilized, this kind of harassment is exactly what fans of any underdog sports team in a tough neighborhood have to deal with constantly.🙄
It’s absolutely horrific, truly appalling, and honestly indescribable how he barely escaped with his dignity intact!!!
The way I see it, the guy should have acted like a real man. He should have issued a public apology, admitted he messed up, had his dog fixed, and calmly explained to the kids that an accident happened, he was responsible, and he's learned his lesson. A little bit of volunteer work for a local animal shelter—helping out with walks or basic care—probably wouldn't hurt either.
But no, instead, he sent his buddies to go intimidate the animal control officers.🙄

It’s getting pretty obvious who I’m actually talking to here. Honestly, it feels like you haven't really evolved past the primate stage yet.😂

Dennis Bailey2 said:I don't get it—are you trying to insult me by calling me a hillbilly? Look, I am a country guy, though I don't work livestock, so being insulted for being a farmer actually stings a bit.
But we aren't on the same level, and we never will be. I respect life; you just respect your own backside.

Unfortunately, mistakes have consequences. That's fine; otherwise, people wouldn't learn from them. It seems to me others will be a little more careful next time while their cattle are being driven! 😂 And maybe a few others will think twice.

And humans accepted them because...? 😬
Don't give me that: the point remains—if you have a dog, take care of it according to the law. A dog, a hamster, a bear, a pig—it doesn't matter. If it's YOURS, it is YOUR concern and YOUR responsibility.
It's unbelievable how nobody here wants to take any responsibility.

I completely agree; the law is terrible. If the minimum penalty for unauthorized breeding and dealing with dogs were $40 $0.00 and 200 hours of community service, and if it were actually enforced, a bottom-feeder like this guy would be reformed in no time.

And you’re comparing things that aren't comparable too—dying in agony versus a bit of annoyance. No one is blaming you for that logic. But humans and animals aren't two separate categories, man. We're primates.😍

That’s a fair question, but it’s irrelevant to the argument. For what it's worth, I don't eat prosciutto or lamb either, though that's also completely beside the point.
I care deeply about being humane. The moment I stop caring whether a bear eats you, or whether five dogs die in agony because some irresponsible idiot failed them, you can go ahead and turn me into bacon. I wouldn't be worth anything else.☕

The choice you would make 🙄 doesn't give any human the right to torture or kill other living creatures against the law, nor does it justify creating those creatures just to cause them pain because someone's ego was bruised and they want nature to pay the price.
If I had to choose between one dog and 100 people who are murderers, rapists, or pedophiles... the dog would have a very good day. ☕ The idea that "human life is more valuable than animal life" only holds water if the human actually acts like a human.

🙄
Did you actually bother reading the article, or are you just talking nonsense without any basis in reality?
Some guy spat right in front of the shop where this woman works—not at her, mind you, but in front of her business. People were giving him nasty looks, and even local kids were asking if their dads were animal abusers. Beyond being completely uncivilized, this kind of harassment is exactly what fans of any underdog sports team in a tough neighborhood have to deal with constantly.🙄
It’s absolutely horrific, truly appalling, and honestly indescribable how he barely escaped with his dignity intact!!!
The way I see it, the guy should have acted like a real man. He should have issued a public apology, admitted he messed up, had his dog fixed, and calmly explained to the kids that an accident happened, he was responsible, and he's learned his lesson. A little bit of volunteer work for a local animal shelter—helping out with walks or basic care—probably wouldn't hurt either.
But no, instead, he sent his buddies to go intimidate the animal control officers.🙄

If you were actually an empathetic person, people would come first, and animals second. It’s pretty clear that isn't how you operate.

Dennis Bailey2 said:I don't get it—are you trying to insult me by calling me a hillbilly? Look, I am a country guy, though I don't work livestock, so being insulted for being a farmer actually stings a bit.
But we aren't on the same level, and we never will be. I respect life; you just respect your own backside.

Unfortunately, mistakes have consequences. That's fine; otherwise, people wouldn't learn from them. It seems to me others will be a little more careful next time while their cattle are being driven! 😂 And maybe a few others will think twice.

And humans accepted them because...? 😬
Don't give me that: the point remains—if you have a dog, take care of it according to the law. A dog, a hamster, a bear, a pig—it doesn't matter. If it's YOURS, it is YOUR concern and YOUR responsibility.
It's unbelievable how nobody here wants to take any responsibility.

I completely agree; the law is terrible. If the minimum penalty for unauthorized breeding and dealing with dogs were $40 $0.00 and 200 hours of community service, and if it were actually enforced, a bottom-feeder like this guy would be reformed in no time.

And you’re comparing things that aren't comparable too—dying in agony versus a bit of annoyance. No one is blaming you for that logic. But humans and animals aren't two separate categories, man. We're primates.😍

That’s a fair question, but it’s irrelevant to the argument. For what it's worth, I don't eat prosciutto or lamb either, though that's also completely beside the point.
I care deeply about being humane. The moment I stop caring whether a bear eats you, or whether five dogs die in agony because some irresponsible idiot failed them, you can go ahead and turn me into bacon. I wouldn't be worth anything else.☕

The choice you would make 🙄 doesn't give any human the right to torture or kill other living creatures against the law, nor does it justify creating those creatures just to cause them pain because someone's ego was bruised and they want nature to pay the price.
If I had to choose between one dog and 100 people who are murderers, rapists, or pedophiles... the dog would have a very good day. ☕ The idea that "human life is more valuable than animal life" only holds water if the human actually acts like a human.

🙄
Did you actually bother reading the article, or are you just talking nonsense without any basis in reality?
Some guy spat right in front of the shop where this woman works—not at her, mind you, but in front of her business. People were giving him nasty looks, and even local kids were asking if their dads were animal abusers. Beyond being completely uncivilized, this kind of harassment is exactly what fans of any underdog sports team in a tough neighborhood have to deal with constantly.🙄
It’s absolutely horrific, truly appalling, and honestly indescribable how he barely escaped with his dignity intact!!!
The way I see it, the guy should have acted like a real man. He should have issued a public apology, admitted he messed up, had his dog fixed, and calmly explained to the kids that an accident happened, he was responsible, and he's learned his lesson. A little bit of volunteer work for a local animal shelter—helping out with walks or basic care—probably wouldn't hurt either.
But no, instead, he sent his buddies to go intimidate the animal control officers.🙄

I’d still choose to save a human without giving anyone the right to torture or kill other living creatures against the law, or to breed them just because they're hurting inside and want nature to deal with the fallout elsewhere.

Dennis Bailey2 said:I don't get it—are you trying to insult me by calling me a hillbilly? Look, I am a country guy, though I don't work livestock, so being insulted for being a farmer actually stings a bit.
But we aren't on the same level, and we never will be. I respect life; you just respect your own backside.

Unfortunately, mistakes have consequences. That's fine; otherwise, people wouldn't learn from them. It seems to me others will be a little more careful next time while their cattle are being driven! 😂 And maybe a few others will think twice.

And humans accepted them because...? 😬
Don't give me that: the point remains—if you have a dog, take care of it according to the law. A dog, a hamster, a bear, a pig—it doesn't matter. If it's YOURS, it is YOUR concern and YOUR responsibility.
It's unbelievable how nobody here wants to take any responsibility.

I completely agree; the law is terrible. If the minimum penalty for unauthorized breeding and dealing with dogs were $40 $0.00 and 200 hours of community service, and if it were actually enforced, a bottom-feeder like this guy would be reformed in no time.

And you’re comparing things that aren't comparable too—dying in agony versus a bit of annoyance. No one is blaming you for that logic. But humans and animals aren't two separate categories, man. We're primates.😍

That’s a fair question, but it’s irrelevant to the argument. For what it's worth, I don't eat prosciutto or lamb either, though that's also completely beside the point.
I care deeply about being humane. The moment I stop caring whether a bear eats you, or whether five dogs die in agony because some irresponsible idiot failed them, you can go ahead and turn me into bacon. I wouldn't be worth anything else.☕

The choice you would make 🙄 doesn't give any human the right to torture or kill other living creatures against the law, nor does it justify creating those creatures just to cause them pain because someone's ego was bruised and they want nature to pay the price.
If I had to choose between one dog and 100 people who are murderers, rapists, or pedophiles... the dog would have a very good day. ☕ The idea that "human life is more valuable than animal life" only holds water if the human actually acts like a human.

🙄
Did you actually bother reading the article, or are you just talking nonsense without any basis in reality?
Some guy spat right in front of the shop where this woman works—not at her, mind you, but in front of her business. People were giving him nasty looks, and even local kids were asking if their dads were animal abusers. Beyond being completely uncivilized, this kind of harassment is exactly what fans of any underdog sports team in a tough neighborhood have to deal with constantly.🙄
It’s absolutely horrific, truly appalling, and honestly indescribable how he barely escaped with his dignity intact!!!
The way I see it, the guy should have acted like a real man. He should have issued a public apology, admitted he messed up, had his dog fixed, and calmly explained to the kids that an accident happened, he was responsible, and he's learned his lesson. A little bit of volunteer work for a local animal shelter—helping out with walks or basic care—probably wouldn't hurt either.
But no, instead, he sent his buddies to go intimidate the animal control officers.🙄

Well, that *is* awful. Attacking a whole family over some useless, retarded little dogs?!!
Dennis Bailey2 Dennis Bailey2 Active Member
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#53 ·
To be honest... I’ve never actually read Emma Bovary. That Frenchman who wrote it just wasn't my style; he spent way too much time being cynical.

I prefer Ernest Hemingway. To borrow a line from Leone II: "Besides, it's my own fault for even bothering to talk to you people."😬

If you consider yourself a decent human being, then fine—I'll gladly accept being an unevolved primate. At least I won't have to feel ashamed of the human race because of someone like you.😍

Oh, one more thing: if a BMW and a Chevrolet Cruze were both sinking, which one would you bother saving?😂
Michael Collins76 Michael Collins76 Newcomer
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#54 ·
Dennis Bailey2 said:To be honest... I’ve never actually read Emma Bovary. That Frenchman who wrote it just wasn't my style; he spent way too much time being cynical.

I prefer Ernest Hemingway. To borrow a line from Leone II: "Besides, it's my own fault for even bothering to talk to you people."😬

If you consider yourself a decent human being, then fine—I'll gladly accept being an unevolved primate. At least I won't have to feel ashamed of the human race because of someone like you.😍

Oh, one more thing: if a BMW and a Chevrolet Cruze were both sinking, which one would you bother saving?😂

Geez, why the sudden attitude? You were the one who called me a monkey first.
Goodnight!
Dennis Bailey2 Dennis Bailey2 Active Member
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#55 ·
Michael Collins76 said:Geez, why the sudden attitude? You were the one who called me a monkey first.
Goodnight!

Well, if that's how it is, what can I say... if humans had been left to their own devices, we probably would have evolved from cats. At least then we wouldn't look this pathetic, with these floppy ears and no tails. 🤷

Just kidding. I’m done entertaining provocateurs. It's a full moon and I'm dealing with insomnia, but you're too transparent, and frankly, your debating skills are too shallow to be worth the effort. 😢

Edit:
My sincere apologies to the moderators for indulging this trolling. Please just delete this whole mess.
Michael Collins76 Michael Collins76 Newcomer
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#56 ·
Dennis Bailey2 said:Well, if that's how it is, what can I say... if humans had been left to their own devices, we probably would have evolved from cats. At least then we wouldn't look this pathetic, with these floppy ears and no tails. 🤷

Just kidding. I’m done entertaining provocateurs. It's a full moon and I'm dealing with insomnia, but you're too transparent, and frankly, your debating skills are too shallow to be worth the effort. 😢

Edit:
My sincere apologies to the moderators for indulging this trolling. Please just delete this whole mess.

Yeah, Madame Bovary, I can see from your post count just how boring I am...😛
Dennis Bailey2 said:Well, if that's how it is, what can I say... if humans had been left to their own devices, we probably would have evolved from cats. At least then we wouldn't look this pathetic, with these floppy ears and no tails. 🤷

Just kidding. I’m done entertaining provocateurs. It's a full moon and I'm dealing with insomnia, but you're too transparent, and frankly, your debating skills are too shallow to be worth the effort. 😢

Edit:
My sincere apologies to the moderators for indulging this trolling. Please just delete this whole mess.

Me too. Just delete everything, and if someone needs to get banned, go ahead and pick me—I'm used to it!😍
Larry Gray Larry Gray Member
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#57 ·
This whole thing is incredibly tragic, but honestly, I find myself siding with the guy in the article.
Look, he did something stupid and reckless that led to those puppies dying, sure. He claims it was just a freak accident and says he’s sorry, but here’s the kicker: his wife committed an equally dumb and negligent act that resulted in the deaths of her own husband and children, yet she can't even bring herself to admit she was wrong. Personally, people like that terrify me—those who feel the need to be "right" no matter how much collateral damage they cause to everyone else.
Now, let's be real, we don't have the full story here. Maybe she's just fed up with seeing guys get away with way worse things, and she wanted to make an example out of this situation to send a message to others.
But what happens if this becomes the new standard? What if one of us has a similar freak accident—say, a cat darts out in front of my car and I just can't slam on the brakes in time—and some vet or a nosy neighbor catches it on video? Suddenly, I'm trending on Facebook as some monster who cares more about getting to work on time than protecting animals on the road. It feels fundamentally wrong that they get to stand there and say, "I stand by my actions! I didn't mean to run over the kittens, but it happened," while their reputation stays spotless and my entire family gets dragged through the mud.
brightpuma brightpuma Active Member
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#58 ·
Larry Gray said:This whole thing is incredibly tragic, but honestly, I find myself siding with the guy in the article.
Look, he did something stupid and reckless that led to those puppies dying, sure. He claims it was just a freak accident and says he’s sorry, but here’s the kicker: his wife committed an equally dumb and negligent act that resulted in the deaths of her own husband and children, yet she can't even bring herself to admit she was wrong. Personally, people like that terrify me—those who feel the need to be "right" no matter how much collateral damage they cause to everyone else.
Now, let's be real, we don't have the full story here. Maybe she's just fed up with seeing guys get away with way worse things, and she wanted to make an example out of this situation to send a message to others.
But what happens if this becomes the new standard? What if one of us has a similar freak accident—say, a cat darts out in front of my car and I just can't slam on the brakes in time—and some vet or a nosy neighbor catches it on video? Suddenly, I'm trending on Facebook as some monster who cares more about getting to work on time than protecting animals on the road. It feels fundamentally wrong that they get to stand there and say, "I stand by my actions! I didn't mean to run over the kittens, but it happened," while their reputation stays spotless and my entire family gets dragged through the mud.

Look, we aren't even talking about the same thing here... there's a massive difference between carrying puppies in a SEALED bag and then claiming they suffocated by accident, versus an animal darting into the street... 🤷

Anyone attacking you because a cat ran in front of your car probably wouldn't find much support for their opinion anyway...
dustymarlin10 dustymarlin10 Active Member
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#59 ·
Frank Moore4 said:This is just another textbook example of how inhumane these self-proclaimed animal rights activists can be. Honestly, half of them probably haven't even walked a dog on a leash, let alone handled actual farm work or livestock. They claim they’re "protecting" animals, but they’d happily step over a human being to do it.

Unfortunately, this is just more evidence of how twisted these Western "liberal values" have become. It’s honestly shameful that our local police aren't stepping in to deal with people like this and filing formal criminal charges for their threats and harassment. At this point, we probably need the courts—and maybe a psychiatric evaluation—to get a handle on them.


Nah; this is actually just another example of pure cruelty toward animals.
It’s a disgrace that the police and the legal system don't go after people who torture and kill animals for no reason other than to feed some violent ego. ☕
Of course, there are laws meant to address this and punish them, but...
well, like most things, they just aren't enforced.

Your post is a textbook case of moving the goalposts.
dustymarlin10 dustymarlin10 Active Member
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#60 ·
Dennis Bailey2 said:[No content provided to rewrite.]

A valid syllogism—as precise as proper grammar.

So, nothing? Not even a flicker of movement? 🤔 For someone speaking with that much self-righteousness, you’re clearly pretty ill-informed. ☕
Look, most of the animal welfare groups out there aren't just acting alone. They’re all bundled together into this massive network of associations that handles everything from local rescues to broader advocacy—covering pretty much every species you can think of, not just the stray dogs. ☕
To be perfectly clear, what you've written here is simply untrue.

🤦

This is the classic playbook used by people who don't actually care about helping anyone—they only care about themselves. It’s a pattern of deflection. When you support animal rescues, they ask, "Why aren't you helping people instead?" When you help addicts, they claim, "Why waste resources on that loser instead of someone deserving?" If you support people living with HIV, they pivot to, "Why help those degenerates when there are honest people in need?" And if you donate to hungry kids in Africa, they whine, "Why look abroad when we have plenty of poverty right here in the States?" Strip away the moral posturing and the truth is much uglier. What they’re really saying is: "Stop spending your money on them and give it to me."

Get this through your head: helping anyone is a noble act. It doesn't matter if that person is just one individual or an entire planet. Whether someone decides to dedicate their life like Mother Teresa, fight for a local neighborhood playground, or just toss a crust of bread to a stray cat—that’s their call to make. Every person has the right to spend their time, resources, and heart however they see fit; we don't all have to follow your directives. Any one of those acts is a million times more dignified than your petty bitterness and obvious hatred for everything living and breathing.

Oh, really? They haven't? 🤔 Are you suggesting that the bitch belonging to this "responsible gentleman"—who so humbly mismanaged her—didn't produce puppies thanks to his sheer irresponsibility, negligence, and lack of care? Did the puppies just spontaneously manifest in his lap? Did his bitch just happen to get pregnant despite him being such a diligent owner? Are you trying to say someone else is responsible for these puppies instead of him? Are you claiming dogs, as a species, exist for some other reason rather than because humans bred, raised, and kept them for themselves? 🤷 Please. We are talking about a domestic dog here, not a Great White Shark. A Great White Shark exists simply because it exists. I could argue this is more like a litter of Great White pups that just happened to end up in this guy's possession. But a domestic dog breeds exclusively when we allow it, specifically because we choose to care for them, and if we don't want that to happen, then for heaven's sake, we should ensure it DOESN'T happen. ☕

Comparing a child to a dog is disgusting, I agree, but the fact remains: owning an animal carries specific responsibilities. This includes the owner's duty to manage their pet or prevent its offspring from being born. It isn't rocket science; it's simple:
a) spay or neuter the dog,
b) isolate the dog during heat cycles,
c) don't own a dog at all, if you aren't willing to deal with its offspring or commit to options A or B.
Simple enough, right?

To those commenting on the bag: there are valid federal and state regulations regarding the transport of animals, including puppies. There are also standardized crates designed for safe, risk-free transport that are mandated by law.

This isn't a question of whether the puppies are cute or not. The gentleman broke the law, and he needs to answer for it. A heavy fine and a few weeks of forced community service—ideally at a local animal shelter where he can clean up after the sick dogs of other "responsible" owners just like him—would be the ideal punishment. Maybe our "modest gentleman" would actually think twice about why all this mess exists, which is funded by taxpayer dollars: his mess is caused by the dogs produced by irresponsible owners like him.

Everyone loves to attack non-profits, but it's easy to throw stones at others. What you don't realize is that the problem is YOURS. If we didn't have irresponsible gentlemen like the one described here, there wouldn't be abandoned animals, there wouldn't be shelters, and there wouldn't be money being spent on them. If individuals took responsibility for their actions—meaning, if they properly controlled their pets' breeding—millions of dollars—about $15 million just in a city like Chicago—could be spent on building playgrounds, daycares, and schools... instead of, well, someone has to clean up dog crap.

When it comes to those overzealous animal control officers, they belong in court just as much as this guy's buddies do. Attacking people isn't the solution. The real way forward is education and forcing the government agencies to actually do their jobs. Look, I get why the rescuers are frustrated, but I am NOT justifying their behavior.

The only takeaway here is that our legal system is even more dead than those dogs were. ☕

And as for what the kids are saying to his children... honestly, kids will be kids. They always seem to hit the nail right on the head.

I second everything said here.

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