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Animal cruelty nightmare: "They're spitting on my wife, my kids are scared to go to school, and now

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Larry Gray Larry Gray Member
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joined Apr 2013
#61 ·
brightpuma said:Look, we aren't even talking about the same thing here... there's a massive difference between carrying puppies in a SEALED bag and then claiming they suffocated by accident, versus an animal darting into the street... 🤷

Anyone attacking you because a cat ran in front of your car probably wouldn't find much support for their opinion anyway...

Look, maybe this isn't a perfect comparison, but let's look at the bigger picture: do you really think it's okay for someone to take your private info and blast the details of an accident all over Facebook as some kind of public warning, even if it was a genuine accident where an animal died despite your best intentions?

Sure, the guy put those puppies in a closed carrier, which—in my book—makes him incredibly stupid (I mean, he actually drove that same carrier back to the shelter afterward, which is just ridiculous), but does that justify broadcasting his life to everyone, labeling him an "animal abuser" and a "killer," and then turning his entire family into targets?
brightpuma brightpuma Active Member
128 messages
joined Jun 2024
#62 ·
Larry Gray said:Look, maybe this isn't a perfect comparison, but let's look at the bigger picture: do you really think it's okay for someone to take your private info and blast the details of an accident all over Facebook as some kind of public warning, even if it was a genuine accident where an animal died despite your best intentions?

Sure, the guy put those puppies in a closed carrier, which—in my book—makes him incredibly stupid (I mean, he actually drove that same carrier back to the shelter afterward, which is just ridiculous), but does that justify broadcasting his life to everyone, labeling him an "animal abuser" and a "killer," and then turning his entire family into targets?

They didn't just notify everyone; it was one person who decided to leak it to the news... 🤷 if this had stayed on Facebook, it would have been much more contained...

And as for people attacking his family, I haven't seen any of that happen yet... 🤷
What, if someone spits at a woman in front of a grocery store, do we immediately call ATJ Lucko? 🙄
Larry Gray Larry Gray Member
16 messages
joined Apr 2013
#63 ·
brightpuma said:They didn't just notify everyone; it was one person who decided to leak it to the news... 🤷 if this had stayed on Facebook, it would have been much more contained...

And as for people attacking his family, I haven't seen any of that happen yet... 🤷
What, if someone spits at a woman in front of a grocery store, do we immediately call ATJ Lucko? 🙄

It’s terrible, truly terrible
So basically, unless someone physically assaults his kids or his family, the guy has nothing to complain about? People can curse at them, insult them, threaten them, and spit on minor children who have absolutely nothing to do with this, and apparently, that doesn't merit a news story.

What are you supposed to do when a tiny little group targets you? It shouldn't matter how small the group is—you'd be devastated. And if you actually try to report it only to have a witness tell you, "I didn't see any attack," how are you supposed to feel?

I'm already sick of this thread, so I'll just leave you with this one final thought:
In America, there are genuine haters and there are animal abusers. Animal abusers are the types of people who wouldn't dream of trying to foster a puppy in a shelter, people who certainly wouldn't bother finding a better home for those dogs than what they could provide themselves, and they definitely aren't the type to donate to other dogs in that shelter. In my opinion, this guy doesn't belong in that category. Other people can call him stupid or careless, sure, but he is not one of the true animal abusers.
Frank Moore4 Frank Moore4 Active MemberOP
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joined Oct 2008
#64 ·
mestar said:He really messed up by even trying to get involved with the asylum seekers and that whole group.

Exactly what I'm saying. It’s like that old saying goes: "Don't go poking the bear if you don't want to get bitten."
Ryan Vaughn7 Ryan Vaughn7 Active Member
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#65 ·
Michael Collins76 said:I honestly thought I was talking to some modern-day Madame Bovary. I raise pigs, so I figured we were basically on the same level.

And since they already owned the dogs and this happened by accident, they should just be crucified now?
Besides, I'm not here playing trivia games.

I'm not that kind of guy (a Dalmatian).
And just so we're clear, humans didn't create dogs—dogs approached humans first, purely for their own benefit.
You shouldn't break laws; you should fight against things that are broken. No law is handed down from God; humans write them, and humans are naturally prone to making mistakes. Laws can change, too. That won't be the first or last time.

You're comparing apples to oranges here. People and animals aren't the same thing.

I don't really care if I'm "civilized" if a grizzly bear decides to eat me, I guess. 😕
Do you eat bacon and lamb in a "civilized" way?

If I had to choose between 100 dogs and one person, I'd probably save the person.

Thank God if that's the case. Means there might actually be some smart people left in this world. ☕

Me? If it comes down to my own dog versus a hundred people... well, I'm saving my dog.
Dennis Bailey2 Dennis Bailey2 Active Member
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joined Oct 2013
#66 ·
Larry Gray said:It’s terrible, truly terrible
So basically, unless someone physically assaults his kids or his family, the guy has nothing to complain about? People can curse at them, insult them, threaten them, and spit on minor children who have absolutely nothing to do with this, and apparently, that doesn't merit a news story.

What are you supposed to do when a tiny little group targets you? It shouldn't matter how small the group is—you'd be devastated. And if you actually try to report it only to have a witness tell you, "I didn't see any attack," how are you supposed to feel?

I'm already sick of this thread, so I'll just leave you with this one final thought:
In America, there are genuine haters and there are animal abusers. Animal abusers are the types of people who wouldn't dream of trying to foster a puppy in a shelter, people who certainly wouldn't bother finding a better home for those dogs than what they could provide themselves, and they definitely aren't the type to donate to other dogs in that shelter. In my opinion, this guy doesn't belong in that category. Other people can call him stupid or careless, sure, but he is not one of the true animal abusers.

That’s your opinion, not ours. ☕ Nobody said there's "nothing to complain about." In fact, nobody in this thread has actually defended the animal control officer's actions—even while a huge crowd tries to absolve a man who sentenced five dogs to a slow, agonizing death by suffocation in a bag just because he "made a mistake." Because he "made a mistake," five tiny creatures—brought into existence solely due to his negligence, too small to even help themselves—were crying and wailing in that bag, dying in absolute agony from lack of oxygen, limbs twitching and paws scratching, and you're telling me that man isn't an abuser? I don't know. If my father had done that and someone asked me, "Is your father an animal abuser?" it would be hard, but I'd have to say, "Yeah, he is."

Imagine if the police picked you up, threw you in a squad car, and at the end of the ride, they opened the door and found you suffocated. "Oh well, we forgot to crack a window... what now!" To the victim, it makes zero difference whether it was murder by intent or murder by negligence.

Larry Gray said:It’s terrible, truly terrible
So basically, unless someone physically assaults his kids or his family, the guy has nothing to complain about? People can curse at them, insult them, threaten them, and spit on minor children who have absolutely nothing to do with this, and apparently, that doesn't merit a news story.

What are you supposed to do when a tiny little group targets you? It shouldn't matter how small the group is—you'd be devastated. And if you actually try to report it only to have a witness tell you, "I didn't see any attack," how are you supposed to feel?

I'm already sick of this thread, so I'll just leave you with this one final thought:
In America, there are genuine haters and there are animal abusers. Animal abusers are the types of people who wouldn't dream of trying to foster a puppy in a shelter, people who certainly wouldn't bother finding a better home for those dogs than what they could provide themselves, and they definitely aren't the type to donate to other dogs in that shelter. In my opinion, this guy doesn't belong in that category. Other people can call him stupid or careless, sure, but he is not one of the true animal abusers.

It would be exactly the same as that woman at the shelter calling the police because of a violation of the Animal Welfare Act, only for the officer to snap back, "Don't screw with me over some damn dogs." ☕ The difference is, what you're describing never actually happened to this man, whereas what I am describing has happened to ME at least 20 times.

Larry Gray said:It’s terrible, truly terrible
So basically, unless someone physically assaults his kids or his family, the guy has nothing to complain about? People can curse at them, insult them, threaten them, and spit on minor children who have absolutely nothing to do with this, and apparently, that doesn't merit a news story.

What are you supposed to do when a tiny little group targets you? It shouldn't matter how small the group is—you'd be devastated. And if you actually try to report it only to have a witness tell you, "I didn't see any attack," how are you supposed to feel?

I'm already sick of this thread, so I'll just leave you with this one final thought:
In America, there are genuine haters and there are animal abusers. Animal abusers are the types of people who wouldn't dream of trying to foster a puppy in a shelter, people who certainly wouldn't bother finding a better home for those dogs than what they could provide themselves, and they definitely aren't the type to donate to other dogs in that shelter. In my opinion, this guy doesn't belong in that category. Other people can call him stupid or careless, sure, but he is not one of the true animal abusers.

I agree, but this is like trying to exonerate someone whose child suffocated in a car just because pedophiles exist. ☕
And you don't perform Domestication at a shelter. You send puppies to a shelter so other people can use taxpayer money to fix the mess an irresponsible owner made. The donation wasn't meant for "other dogs"—volunteers were simply asking for help to cover the basic cost of food for those specific pups.
Frank Moore4 Frank Moore4 Active MemberOP
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joined Oct 2008
#67 ·
Ryan Vaughn7 said:Me? If it comes down to my own dog versus a hundred people... well, I'm saving my dog.

Honestly, that pretty much sums it up. ☕
Ryan Vaughn7 Ryan Vaughn7 Active Member
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joined Jul 2009
#68 ·
Frank Moore4 said:Honestly, that pretty much sums it up. ☕

I don't want to be a hypocrite here. I actually used that sentence to show how dangerous it is to make sweeping generalizations. Most dog owners out there? They don't see their pets as anything less than family. If some massive disaster hit—just a hypothetical, of course—my priority list is pretty set. I’d grab my kids, then my wife, then my dog, and finally, myself. Everyone else is on their own. Or, if you prefer: if the house is burning down and the main hero, the leading lady, and my dog are all inside, I'm going in for the dog.
brightpuma brightpuma Active Member
128 messages
joined Jun 2024
#69 ·
Larry Gray said:It’s terrible, truly terrible
So basically, unless someone physically assaults his kids or his family, the guy has nothing to complain about? People can curse at them, insult them, threaten them, and spit on minor children who have absolutely nothing to do with this, and apparently, that doesn't merit a news story.

What are you supposed to do when a tiny little group targets you? It shouldn't matter how small the group is—you'd be devastated. And if you actually try to report it only to have a witness tell you, "I didn't see any attack," how are you supposed to feel?

I'm already sick of this thread, so I'll just leave you with this one final thought:
In America, there are genuine haters and there are animal abusers. Animal abusers are the types of people who wouldn't dream of trying to foster a puppy in a shelter, people who certainly wouldn't bother finding a better home for those dogs than what they could provide themselves, and they definitely aren't the type to donate to other dogs in that shelter. In my opinion, this guy doesn't belong in that category. Other people can call him stupid or careless, sure, but he is not one of the true animal abusers.

Been there, done that. It happened to me too. And guess what? Not a single soul lifted a finger, especially the police. Plenty of witnesses around, sure, but it didn't matter. I didn't go running to the news to cry about it; I just let it go.

As for the kids... school bullies today? They'll threaten you, insult you, swear at you. It doesn't matter if your dad is a saint or a criminal. They do it because they can. Because they're bored. It’s always been that way, and it always will be.
They messed with me back in the day because of what my father did for a living. If they want to pick on you at school, they'll find a reason. 🤷
silvertiger11 silvertiger11 Active Member
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joined Jul 2016
#70 ·
Michael Collins76 said:

You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
You don't need to bother coming out to my neck of the woods—we've already cleared out all the dogs and cats, and honestly, we just slaughter whatever other animals are left so we can actually eat them.🤣

If you don't believe me—I mean, seriously—just go ask some teachers at a local high school if they actually consider a human life to be worth more than an animal's. It's even written right there in our laws, I guess. Human dignity—it’s a big concept, I guess... maybe just something we all kind of take for granted until it isn't there.As for animal dignity—I don't think I've even heard of that being a thing.

The truth is—and I guess this is just my take—that guy and his family are suffering because of these basically helpless animals... since we've been stripping away their natural instincts for centuries now. Maybe it's just how things are.

Thanks for the lesson, though I think you missed a spot. We basically learn this in elementary school—humans only ever domesticated livestock to get something out of them, like meat, milk, or eggs... you know, practical stuff—not just to have them sitting around as decor. To me, pet dogs are just completely unnecessary animals to have cluttering up a house. Not only do they kind of ruin the whole vibe of human comfort, but they also lose those raw instincts that would actually help them survive if things ever got real. Anything artificial is just... distorted, I guess. I tend to value natural things.

What am I even supposed to do about my pet???
That’s some pretty twisted thinking—I guess. Animals should have their own freedom, just like I have mine. If they can't survive on their own, then maybe they shouldn't be living at all.

You just don't seem to get it—that you can't exactly weigh a human life against an animal's, I guess.
Look, it’s just the plain truth—people and animals end up eating each other!

The bottom line here is that a person shouldn't have to suffer because of an animal. To me, that's just not okay.☕
They said the exact same thing back in ancient Rome when they first established liability for killing a slave.
Back then, he was considered nothing more than property.

Ah, standards. It's funny how much they shift over time. 🙂
Ryan Gomez4 Ryan Gomez4 Active Member
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joined Feb 2013
#71 ·
"We give dogs our free time, a spot to call home, and all the extra love we can spare. In return, they give us everything they are. It’s easily the best deal humans have ever made."
M. Facklam
Kate James11 Kate James11 Member
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joined Jun 2010
#72 ·
Larry Gray said:This whole thing is incredibly tragic, but honestly, I find myself siding with the guy in the article.
Look, he did something stupid and reckless that led to those puppies dying, sure. He claims it was just a freak accident and says he’s sorry, but here’s the kicker: his wife committed an equally dumb and negligent act that resulted in the deaths of her own husband and children, yet she can't even bring herself to admit she was wrong. Personally, people like that terrify me—those who feel the need to be "right" no matter how much collateral damage they cause to everyone else.
Now, let's be real, we don't have the full story here. Maybe she's just fed up with seeing guys get away with way worse things, and she wanted to make an example out of this situation to send a message to others.
But what happens if this becomes the new standard? What if one of us has a similar freak accident—say, a cat darts out in front of my car and I just can't slam on the brakes in time—and some vet or a nosy neighbor catches it on video? Suddenly, I'm trending on Facebook as some monster who cares more about getting to work on time than protecting animals on the road. It feels fundamentally wrong that they get to stand there and say, "I stand by my actions! I didn't mean to run over the kittens, but it happened," while their reputation stays spotless and my entire family gets dragged through the mud.

That’s why I’ve seen people intentionally floor the gas when they see a cat in the street—people who, frankly, deserve whatever comes their way.
Carol Diaz Carol Diaz Member
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joined Apr 2008
#73 ·
A true animal🤣

Dennis Bailey2 said:I know the truth hurts.


Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
And here we go again. I’m out here calling them out on the global stage for being loud, aggressive, and frankly, just plain obnoxious. They were throwing stones at fishermen and even doused some kids dressed in cow-print outfits just to make a point about slaughtering cattle. Clearly, we're the bad guys here. I'll be sure to tell them they're more than welcome to come visit your neck of the woods... 😍

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Why? 🤷 Does this logic still hold up? Is it always "white men matter more than...", "Americans matter more than...", or "heterosexuals matter more than..."? Where do we draw the line? Is a surgeon inherently worth more than a newborn baby? A local from the Midwest? Exactly where is that boundary where one life becomes more sacred than another? Is a serial killer truly more valuable than a search-and-rescue dog digging survivors out of earthquake rubble? Ah, those delicious little moral dilemmas... ☕
Cut the demagoguery. This isn't some American anthem.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
How exactly does that work? At the expense of real people.Let’s be clear about what happened here. We are talking about a man who ran an irresponsible backyard breeding operation and tried to dump the entire burden onto you. I know it might not look that way on the surface, but think about it. The money you pay in taxes goes toward funding resources like food for animals just like these. In the end, his little scheme failed—not because of any grand plan, but because his dogs ended up dead. They needed to breathe, for God's sake, and he simply forgot they did.
So, what now? He screwed up. Fine. Let's just forgive him and all chip in a few thousand bucks in a couple of months once he actually delivers. Next. Dump it in a shelter and let those idiots from the network of associations deal with it.
Once they fix one thing, they’ll just roll out the next mandate. Then it's a domino effect—the neighbor follows suit, then the guy next door, and before you know it, we're all working ourselves to death like idiots just to foot the bill for their dog disposal fees.
It’s not even about some grand debate over humanity toward dogs right now. It’s simpler than that. We're talking about preventing a total free-for-all where animals tear each other apart, leaving carcasses scattered everywhere. If we actually followed standard US sanitary protocols—you know, to ensure you don't catch some nasty disease from rotting remains because your human ego makes you think you're invincible—it would cost a fortune. That's the bottom line.
Well, I’m not footing the bill.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Let me give you a little lesson instead: domesticated animals exist ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY because of human intervention. Their ecological niches DO NOT EXIST, and not a single one of those animals WOULD HAVE SURVIVED without human involvement. They CANNOT survive on their own in the wild because they were created through a process called ARTIFICIAL SELECTION. For example, dairy cows were bred specifically for milking, and they actually SUFFER from INFLAMMATION if they aren't milked daily. There's your "education." This is basic stuff taught in elementary school.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Domesticated animals don't belong to the true natural world. Since human egoism has broken something, it leaves it to human responsibility to fix what was created. Look, just as you—as a responsible member of society—have to take care of yourself, your family, your car, your house, your trash, and clean up your own crap, you also have to take care of your animal. It shouldn't matter if it's a shark or some retarded dog. If you own a dog, you pick up its shit and you handle its puppies, because you'll be the one answering for it if I step in its mess or if its pups get in my way. Is that clear? Crystal. If you don't like it, there's a simple solution: don't own a dog.
Would you tolerate that guy dumping his wrecked car in your driveway? Or would you expect some non-profit organization to clean it up using your tax dollars and pay for the hauling and recycling? No? Well, for God's sake, why would you tolerate him dumping his litter of puppies in your yard? Or expect that your tax money should fund an association to deal with those pups?
I know the answer: because you think everything will just work itself out and nobody will care.
Fine, but where does a lunatic leave the carcasses? By the side of the road? Tossed in the river? Where are kids going to catch diseases? Where will flies from dead dogs end up—on people's tables and food? How shortsighted can you be!?

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Yes, honey, there is—it’s just enforced by the exact same people who pushed through those animal protection laws while puppies were literally dying in bags. They just make sure to "protect" themselves enough so they don't accidentally end up doing their actual jobs. ☕
I could be rude and suggest that these workers shouldn't even need anything from the factory—in a pure, natural world they’d just be running through fields hunting and gathering food, free from human ego trips like money, housing, TVs, or clothes... though, who knows, maybe the factory owners share more of your worldview.

I know the truth hurts.

Seriously, I can't even sleep because these cow and goat rights activists are being so loud.😂
In my entire life, I haven't seen anyone actually revolt against closing down slaughterhouses.

And you think you know who I am and how much I've helped???😕

Well, look at this. Humans are more important than any animal, so if someone wants to help animals, they shouldn't do it at the expense of people—which is exactly what's happening here.

Just so you know—animals were around long, long before humans ever showed up, and they certainly didn't need us to survive. Any species that couldn't figure out how to look after itself just... died out. It's called natural selection—not that I'm trying to lecture you or anything, I guess.
In the real world, animals don't exist just so we can play caretaker—and I guess humans don't exist to serve them either. It’s honestly a disgrace that human ego has messed with the natural abilities of certain species. So, really... it doesn't matter if we're talking about a Great White or some stunted house pet.☕

Is there even a law to protect those hungry, cheated people just shivering out in the cold in front of the factory?!

As soon as pets start being treated as more important than people—I guess I have to agree that our legal system is even further gone than those dogs. ☕
Laws are either enforced or they aren't. As long as certain people are treated as more equal than others under the law, we're stuck, my friend. It's sad you can't see that.
And at the core of this whole thing, dogs aren't more important than people.
It comes down to social responsibility—specifically, the responsibility to take care of your own dog's puppies at your own expense and according to the law, instead of dumping them on society. And society is made of people.
Human life is sacred. Human life holds more value than any animal. The life of a single serial killer outweighs the lives of every dog currently existing on this planet.

There are no moral dilemmas here. Animals are primitive tools and resources utilized by humans to satisfy their own needs—including the needs of lonely individuals seeking emotional companionship. To even attempt to draw a pseudo-nationalist parallel between the hierarchy of human value and our relationship with animals is nothing short of perverse.
James Mitchell11 James Mitchell11 Member
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#74 ·
Carol Diaz said:A true animal🤣


Human life is sacred. Human life holds more value than any animal. The life of a single serial killer outweighs the lives of every dog currently existing on this planet.

There are no moral dilemmas here. Animals are primitive tools and resources utilized by humans to satisfy their own needs—including the needs of lonely individuals seeking emotional companionship. To even attempt to draw a pseudo-nationalist parallel between the hierarchy of human value and our relationship with animals is nothing short of perverse.
Human life is sacred. Human life holds more value than any animal. The life of a single serial killer outweighs the lives of every dog currently existing on this planet.

There are no moral dilemmas here. Animals are primitive tools and resources utilized by humans to satisfy their own needs—including the needs of lonely individuals seeking emotional companionship. To even attempt to draw a pseudo-nationalist parallel between the hierarchy of human value and our relationship with animals is nothing short of perverse.

Are you kidding me? Or do you actually believe that? 😢
Jesse Cook4 Jesse Cook4 Member
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#75 ·
Carol Diaz said:A true animal🤣


Human life is sacred. Human life holds more value than any animal. The life of a single serial killer outweighs the lives of every dog currently existing on this planet.

There are no moral dilemmas here. Animals are primitive tools and resources utilized by humans to satisfy their own needs—including the needs of lonely individuals seeking emotional companionship. To even attempt to draw a pseudo-nationalist parallel between the hierarchy of human value and our relationship with animals is nothing short of perverse.
Human life is sacred. Human life holds more value than any animal. The life of a single serial killer outweighs the lives of every dog currently existing on this planet.

There are no moral dilemmas here. Animals are primitive tools and resources utilized by humans to satisfy their own needs—including the needs of lonely individuals seeking emotional companionship. To even attempt to draw a pseudo-nationalist parallel between the hierarchy of human value and our relationship with animals is nothing short of perverse.
Yeah, there's the core of it... some people think they're "worth more" than other animals...
It's just as valid to claim bears or squirrels are "worth more" than other animals.

Or, looking at it from the other side, that one specific human is "worth more" than all other animals—including great apes.
Take Stalin, for example. 🙂

For instance, I could personally decide I'm the most beautiful being alive and that every other creature, including other people, exists solely to "satisfy my needs." 😵

Objectively speaking, the value of any species can only be evaluated within the context of the entire ecosystem. In that sense, humans are basically just an invasive species...

The theory that humans "matter more" because we have "cultural heritage" ignores the fact that most of that "heritage" is total garbage and trivial junk. Plus, most people don't even have three clean thoughts between them. And fundamentally—as far as we know—humans are the only ones currently possessing culture.

A million years from now, or a hundred million... who knows where any species will evolve to.
Jesse Cook4 Jesse Cook4 Member
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#76 ·
the edge said:I respect different opinions and strong convictions. But honestly, if you're out in the woods hoping to run into Milan Mlađan instead of a squirrel, you've got some serious issues.

Srđan Mlađan. 🙂
Ryan Gomez4 Ryan Gomez4 Active Member
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#77 ·
Jesse Cook4 said:

Human life is sacred. Human life holds more value than any animal. The life of a single serial killer outweighs the lives of every dog currently existing on this planet.

There are no moral dilemmas here. Animals are primitive tools and resources utilized by humans to satisfy their own needs—including the needs of lonely individuals seeking emotional companionship. To even attempt to draw a pseudo-nationalist parallel between the hierarchy of human value and our relationship with animals is nothing short of perverse.
Yeah, there's the core of it... some people think they're "worth more" than other animals...
It's just as valid to claim bears or squirrels are "worth more" than other animals.

Or, looking at it from the other side, that one specific human is "worth more" than all other animals—including great apes.
Take Stalin, for example. 🙂

For instance, I could personally decide I'm the most beautiful being alive and that every other creature, including other people, exists solely to "satisfy my needs." 😵

Objectively speaking, the value of any species can only be evaluated within the context of the entire ecosystem. In that sense, humans are basically just an invasive species...

The theory that humans "matter more" because we have "cultural heritage" ignores the fact that most of that "heritage" is total garbage and trivial junk. Plus, most people don't even have three clean thoughts between them. And fundamentally—as far as we know—humans are the only ones currently possessing culture.

A million years from now, or a hundred million... who knows where any species will evolve to.
I also happen to think I'm one of the most beautiful and smartest people around 😁, which is exactly why I have to be careful with other animals and help them out. It's not their fault they aren't me. 😉
Ryan Vaughn7 Ryan Vaughn7 Active Member
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#78 ·
Jesse Cook4 said:Srđan Mlađan. 🙂

To’s true, though. Milan Mlađan was actually the leading scorer in the NBA back in the late eighties. 🤣
I lost my cool.
Jerry Booth8 Jerry Booth8 Newcomer
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#79 ·
Ryan Vaughn7 said:To’s true, though. Milan Mlađan was actually the leading scorer in the NBA back in the late eighties. 🤣
I lost my cool.

In Chicago, dogs have bitten a three-year-old girl's ear and attacked a pregnant woman within just three days, potentially causing her to lose the baby.☕ In my opinion, any dog that isn't vaccinated and kept in a shelter should be sterilized or dealt with immediately via some kind of fast-track process.☕ We need to double the penalties for owners whenever their pet injures someone; right now, they get off with peanuts.☕ I don't know how things work in your part of the country, but here in the States, animal rights groups are so powerful that you almost get more sympathy for killing a dog than for hurting a person.🙂
Dennis Bailey2 Dennis Bailey2 Active Member
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#80 ·
Carol Diaz said:A true animal🤣


Human life is sacred. Human life holds more value than any animal. The life of a single serial killer outweighs the lives of every dog currently existing on this planet.

There are no moral dilemmas here. Animals are primitive tools and resources utilized by humans to satisfy their own needs—including the needs of lonely individuals seeking emotional companionship. To even attempt to draw a pseudo-nationalist parallel between the hierarchy of human value and our relationship with animals is nothing short of perverse.
Human life is sacred. Human life holds more value than any animal. The life of a single serial killer outweighs the lives of every dog currently existing on this planet.

There are no moral dilemmas here. Animals are primitive tools and resources utilized by humans to satisfy their own needs—including the needs of lonely individuals seeking emotional companionship. To even attempt to draw a pseudo-nationalist parallel between the hierarchy of human value and our relationship with animals is nothing short of perverse.
Wrong. ☕ Every life holds equal value; every life is equally "sacred." You didn't create it, so you have no right to take it away.

And my comparisons weren't an attempt to invoke Nazism; those ideologies are thousands of years younger than the sentiments I'm referencing—roughly as old as when people used to claim "The life of one serial killer is worth more than all the slaves/Black people/Asian people on this earth."
Thankfully, those eras are behind us. Yours will be too. 👍

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