Drew Watson3 said:Jesus existed as both fully human—body and soul—and fully divine, being the Son through His spirit. A profound part of His suffering was actually His voluntary choice to forgo the chance to manifest His divinity at the very last second to save Himself, even though such a thing would have been entirely possible for Him as God; instead, He consciously chose to embrace the fullness of the human experience, surrendering every fiber of His being to the will of God the Father. This was Jesus' deliberate decision: to remain truly human until the very end, to endure everything any person would face while dying on a cross, feeling utterly abandoned by everyone, even by the Father who required this sacrifice so that we might all be saved. In those darkest, most agonizing moments, it’s only natural that any human being—including the man that Jesus was—would cry out to God and question why there was so much agony, whether it truly mattered, or why He felt so distant and forsaken from His Father, yet on the other hand, Jesus God accepted this path because He knew exactly why He was doing it...
Just poetic gymnastics without any actual logic. It’s like claiming a glass is both completely full and completely empty at the same time—saying Jesus is both fully God and fully man is just pure nonsense.
When things truly hit the fan. Of course, any guy would. Even Jesus called out to God and questioned the whole thing—asking why there had to be so much suffering, if any of it actually mattered, and why He felt so incredibly distant from His Father. But at the end of the day, Jesus God accepted it because He knew exactly why He was doing it.
You totally butchered that just to make your Jesus look good.
It’s about this:
He was hit hard by sadness and anxiety. He just told them, "My soul is..." Dead on arrival."Stay here and watch over me!" He drifted a little further away, stumbling slightly as he prayed: "Father! If it's even possible..." Just let this whole mess pass me by..
Back at it again, for the second time, heading off to pray: "Father!" If it’s just not happening. "Give me strength not to touch this drink, please God!" — just saying. Third time's a charm, I guess. Just running in circles with the same old words.
Apologists are out here working overtime trying to explain why Jesus would even consider backing out of his whole "sacrificial atonement for every intelligent being in the universe" thing. They’re basically scrambling to justify how he almost walked away from the entire reason he came to Earth.
Honestly, if you look at the facts, Jesus was probably the biggest coward to ever walk the earth. Just a total zero.
He asked God three times to spare him from the agony, even though he knew damn well that enduring a little temporary pain—nothing compared to, say, an Inquisition trial—would save all of humanity from eternal hellfire.
That guy Jesus actually said this to God:
God, I’ve got a feeling I’m about to get treated like some kind of outlaw, but please—just let me off the hook. Let me escape while billions of other people end up stuck in eternal hell. Honestly, spare me the whole crucifixion thing; I'd much rather skip that mess and let humanity take the fall instead. It kills me to think about them suffering, but if there's any way to dodge this pressure, please just let me slide.He's done that three times now.
Just a heads-up, let's hope it all ends up being God's will in the end. I mean, God is almighty, and honestly, it feels only right to wrap up Jesus' prayer with a phrase like that.
So, whether you look at Him as just a man, as God, or as some weird fusion of the two, Jesus is a total bust.
I bet everyone on this forum would accept Jesus' sacrifice in a heartbeat without all the excuses and second-guessing. I mean, for God's sake, we're talking about saving countless souls—the entire universe!
