Arthur Flores2 said:Not really.
It's a good thing that God tests who's trash...
Then why bother creating trash in the first place?
To fill Hell with it forever? Is there a lack of entertainment in Heaven?
Otherwise, we'd spend eternity living next to a pile of garbage that God just decided to mask the stench of...
Well, you'll be living "next to a pile of garbage" too if you believe in eternal Hell. St. Fool says the blessed in Heaven spend their time staring down at the damned in Hell, feeling happy about their suffering—even if they're their own kids. So yeah, you'll spend all eternity right next to that "trash" of men and women.
Question for you...
🙂
1. Would you want to live for all eternity next to someone who, if God tested them with free will, wouldn't just assault your family, but wouldn't even feel a shred of regret for doing it?
a.) Living forever next to something you can never escape sounds like a total nightmare to me. I'd rather just vanish in an instant or melt into something else than stare at God for eternity.
b.) Why does someone choose to commit such an act? Maybe because "God gave them" a broken brain lacking empathy, some degenerate DNA... Or maybe the Devil talked them into it? Jesus couldn't change his heart, but surely he could change someone else's? Still, it's a pretty powerful angel fighting and gambling against God. lol
I don't get where people get the idea that there are people among us so purely evil that they deserve eternal torture. It's a monstrous way to think.
Not really.
It's a good thing that God tests who's trash...
Then why bother creating trash in the first place?
To fill Hell with it forever? Is there a lack of entertainment in Heaven?
Otherwise, we'd spend eternity living next to a pile of garbage that God just decided to mask the stench of...
Well, you'll be living "next to a pile of garbage" too if you believe in eternal Hell. St. Fool says the blessed in Heaven spend their time staring down at the damned in Hell, feeling happy about their suffering—even if they're their own kids. So yeah, you'll spend all eternity right next to that "trash" of men and women.
Question for you...
🙂
1. Would you want to live for all eternity next to someone who, if God tested them with free will, wouldn't just assault your family, but wouldn't even feel a shred of regret for doing it?
a.) Living forever next to
something you can never escape sounds like a total nightmare to me. I'd rather just vanish in an instant or melt into something else than stare at God for eternity.
b.) Why does someone choose to commit such an act? Maybe because "God gave them" a broken brain lacking empathy, some degenerate DNA... Or maybe the Devil talked them into it? Jesus couldn't change his heart, but surely he could change someone else's? Still, it's a pretty powerful angel fighting and gambling against God. lol
I don't get where people get the idea that there are people among us so purely evil that they deserve eternal torture. It's a monstrous way to think.
Well...
Then why would any trashy entity bother creating it?
To fill hell forever? Is heaven lacking entertainment?
God gives us free will specifically so we can create ourselves...
Your point only makes sense if free will actually doesn't exist...
If free will exists, your whole argument is nonsense...
It’s pretty obvious you don't believe in free will, which means you don't believe in guilt either. To you, God is responsible for everything...
Question for you...
If you claim we are just what we are because of nature or God—meaning we have zero free will—then why are you so obsessed with painting Christians as monsters?
Maybe it's just
stupid memes. I mean, you aren't even responsible for not being a
meme, since nature or God decided you wouldn't be, not you...
So, what's the actual difference between you and
Thomas the Fool?
Or between you and those crazy inquisitors?
Or between you and me?
Because if there's no free will, there's no difference. It's all just something else's doing. So why get so angry at religious fanatics...?
Why even try to influence anything with your writing if you truly believe nature dictates everything...?
You're basically stumbling around in an atheist
"illusion of meaning". You take the atheist belief in a meaningless existence and try this acrobatic maneuver to turn it into some supposed struggle for a better, more advanced world...
What kind of struggle can there be if we don't have free will...?
Just atheist acrobatic nonsense......
Anyone who doesn't believe in free will can't call for change, because that's just a contradiction and total stupidity...
Living forever without the chance to ever stop sounds like a nightmare of desolation to me.
This kind of intellectual hibernation when imagining heavenly pleasures comes from a desire to make Christian reality look worse than the atheist one (
merging with filthy crap, excuse me, stars)...
Why does someone choose to rape? Well, again, it's because "God gave them" a broken brain lacking certain empathy centers.
No, seriously, in some parts of the world, rapists make up 50% of the male population (
Orange Farm), while in all of South Africa, that percentage is around 25%... and let's not even talk about war conditions, or we'll have to start conjuring apocalyptic rivers of blood...
Basically, you just have to set the circumstances to see who most people around Washington, D.C. really are—people whose biggest sin is stabbing others in the back or constantly insulting and bullying everyone they meet...
I don't know where people get off thinking there are folks walking around us who are just pure evil and deserve eternal torture. It’s a monstrous way to think, I guess. Just a really twisted idea.
I know a ton of people who:
They just love talking trash. Honestly, they exist just to insult and humiliate people in the most disgusting ways possible—all just for their own sick amusement. They trample all over everyone else just to have a laugh. I guess that's just how they are.
It wouldn't even help you if you decided to starve yourself right in front of them... I guess.
They’re just so incredibly jealous of anything that actually holds value in this life. Honestly, I think they’d rather see you get run over on a highway in Chicago than see you succeed. It's pathetic, really.
This kind of human malice pops up in every era, I guess. Just look at how things went down during the Nazi era—it was basically just mass jealousy from a huge chunk of society directed right at the Jews. They were collectively targeted, and most of the German people actually backed it.)...
The absolute worst part about all of this is that look in their eyes. I mean, Jesus really nailed it when he said...
They say the eyes are the lamp of the soul. I guess that makes sense, in a way. Maybe. It’s like looking directly into someone's core, if you believe all that stuff. Or maybe it's just biology. Who knows?You can justify just about anything a person does. Maybe they were acting out of pure spite, or maybe they were just being incredibly boring. I guess that’s fine. But there is one thing you just can't defend—it's actually impossible to justify that specific look in someone's eyes. When you look at a person, you can see their entire world playing out in their head. You can read them. And when you realize someone is looking down at you like you’re some kind of lesser creature... without an ounce of love or even a shred of compassion? Yeah. That’s the worst.
If they got a second chance, I guess they wouldn't just stop at rape. They’d probably just keep torturing everyone in sight, endlessly, without ever feeling even a shred of regret for the evil they do.
People like that... I mean, they really are.
Pure evil....
When it comes to the realm of evil—whatever they're actually capable of—those people are just pure evil. Plain and simple. I guess God can try to plant a little seed of goodness in them through good people or maybe some spiritual intervention, but that’s about it. If they refuse to take it? Well, then pure evil is just going to be their fate forever. Period.
It’s not even about what they deserve, really. It’s more about where they actually belong. They belong in a world without love, but honestly, the worst of them? They belong somewhere much darker than that.
Because, let's be real, not everyone is built the same.Honestly, even after you die, you shouldn't go entertaining that offer the Devil made to Jesus regarding all the kingdoms of this world. I guess it’s just better to stay away from that kind of temptation entirely.
But without the kingdom of heaven in your heart...Honestly, I don't think just punishing them isn't enough. They really need to be punished for all eternity. Some people just straight-up deserve to suffer... I guess.
So, you live in Washington, D.C.?
Tell me which neighborhood you're talking about, because I'm pretty sure I've never even crossed paths with anyone from that part of town.
To the dwellers of hell.... ?
So, I guess you guys who actually believe in an eternal hell are just going to spend forever living "amidst a pile of garbage." According to St. Fool, the blessed folks in heaven spend their entire existence staring down at the damned in hell, watching them suffer—and they’re happy about it. Even if those people suffering happen to be their own kids. So, basically, you'll spend all of eternity stuck right next to that absolute trash heap of men and women you call people.
This is honestly great news...
God is just so good that we’re actually going to have constant oversight over this whole senseless existence out there. I guess. Maybe. It's all just too much to wrap my head around sometimes.
The heavenly kingdoms. ...or maybe just about the suffering.
Hellraiser...
That’s how we’ll always be able to see exactly how much they’re struggling. I guess God is just too transparent for that; He always makes it clear that there's no such thing as excessive suffering or anything being undeserved. It's impossible for some devilish type to stand there and claim otherwise.
Man, I’m done. Honestly? I regret everything. I’ve had enough." , "
Oh man, please, no more. I'll be good, I promise."...
It just doesn't exist...
There’s just this pure wickedness that swallowed them whole and turned them straight into devils. And honestly, that malice just keeps craving evil over and over again, only to get kicked in the teeth every single time. I guess it's just how it goes.
And here we are, just watching it all unfold from the sidelines. I guess we’re just sitting back, enjoying the view, and soaking up every bit of paradise while it lasts. Maybe that's the plan.
It's like when some total piece of trash decides, out of nowhere, that they just want to smash my friend and humiliate them.
He’s just acting out because he’s jealous. And honestly? He's stronger than me. I guess.In a beautiful little twist of fate, my buddy absolutely destroyed him. We just sat there on the sidelines, smoking a joint and crushing some donuts, totally enjoying every single second of watching that idiot leader get wrecked.
And in Heaven, it’ll just be like that over and over again every single day...😍
Just wondeeeerful... 👏👏👏
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=6RGcb7alSk0...
Well...
Then why would any trashy entity bother creating it?
To fill hell forever? Is heaven lacking entertainment?
God gives us free will specifically so we can create ourselves...
Your point only makes sense if free will actually doesn't exist...
If free will exists, your whole argument is nonsense...
It’s pretty obvious you don't believe in free will, which means you don't believe in guilt either. To you, God is responsible for everything...
Question for you...
If you claim we are just what we are because of nature or God—meaning we have zero free will—then why are you so obsessed with painting Christians as monsters?
Maybe it's just
stupid memes. I mean, you aren't even responsible for not being a
meme, since nature or God decided you wouldn't be, not you...
So, what's the actual difference between you and
Thomas the Fool?
Or between you and those crazy inquisitors?
Or between you and me?
Because if there's no free will, there's no difference. It's all just something else's doing. So why get so angry at religious fanatics...?
Why even try to influence anything with your writing if you truly believe nature dictates everything...?
You're basically stumbling around in an atheist
"illusion of meaning". You take the atheist belief in a meaningless existence and try this acrobatic maneuver to turn it into some supposed struggle for a better, more advanced world...
What kind of struggle can there be if we don't have free will...?
Just atheist acrobatic nonsense......
Anyone who doesn't believe in free will can't call for change, because that's just a contradiction and total stupidity...
Living forever without the chance to ever stop sounds like a nightmare of desolation to me.
This kind of intellectual hibernation when imagining heavenly pleasures comes from a desire to make Christian reality look worse than the atheist one (
merging with filthy crap, excuse me, stars)...
Why does someone choose to rape? Well, again, it's because "God gave them" a broken brain lacking certain empathy centers.
No, seriously, in some parts of the world, rapists make up 50% of the male population (
Orange Farm), while in all of South Africa, that percentage is around 25%... and let's not even talk about war conditions, or we'll have to start conjuring apocalyptic rivers of blood...
Basically, you just have to set the circumstances to see who most people around Washington, D.C. really are—people whose biggest sin is stabbing others in the back or constantly insulting and bullying everyone they meet...
I don't know where people get off thinking there are folks walking around us who are just pure evil and deserve eternal torture. It’s a monstrous way to think, I guess. Just a really twisted idea.
I know a ton of people who:
They just love talking trash. Honestly, they exist just to insult and humiliate people in the most disgusting ways possible—all just for their own sick amusement. They trample all over everyone else just to have a laugh. I guess that's just how they are.
It wouldn't even help you if you decided to starve yourself right in front of them... I guess.
They’re just so incredibly jealous of anything that actually holds value in this life. Honestly, I think they’d rather see you get run over on a highway in Chicago than see you succeed. It's pathetic, really.
This kind of human malice pops up in every era, I guess. Just look at how things went down during the Nazi era—it was basically just mass jealousy from a huge chunk of society directed right at the Jews. They were collectively targeted, and most of the German people actually backed it.)...
The absolute worst part about all of this is that look in their eyes. I mean, Jesus really nailed it when he said...
They say the eyes are the lamp of the soul. I guess that makes sense, in a way. Maybe. It’s like looking directly into someone's core, if you believe all that stuff. Or maybe it's just biology. Who knows?You can justify just about anything a person does. Maybe they were acting out of pure spite, or maybe they were just being incredibly boring. I guess that’s fine. But there is one thing you just can't defend—it's actually impossible to justify that specific look in someone's eyes. When you look at a person, you can see their entire world playing out in their head. You can read them. And when you realize someone is looking down at you like you’re some kind of lesser creature... without an ounce of love or even a shred of compassion? Yeah. That’s the worst.
If they got a second chance, I guess they wouldn't just stop at rape. They’d probably just keep torturing everyone in sight, endlessly, without ever feeling even a shred of regret for the evil they do.
People like that... I mean, they really are.
Pure evil....
When it comes to the realm of evil—whatever they're actually capable of—those people are just pure evil. Plain and simple. I guess God can try to plant a little seed of goodness in them through good people or maybe some spiritual intervention, but that’s about it. If they refuse to take it? Well, then pure evil is just going to be their fate forever. Period.
It’s not even about what they deserve, really. It’s more about where they actually belong. They belong in a world without love, but honestly, the worst of them? They belong somewhere much darker than that.
Because, let's be real, not everyone is built the same.Honestly, even after you die, you shouldn't go entertaining that offer the Devil made to Jesus regarding all the kingdoms of this world. I guess it’s just better to stay away from that kind of temptation entirely.
But without the kingdom of heaven in your heart...Honestly, I don't think just punishing them isn't enough. They really need to be punished for all eternity. Some people just straight-up deserve to suffer... I guess.
So, you live in Washington, D.C.?
Tell me which neighborhood you're talking about, because I'm pretty sure I've never even crossed paths with anyone from that part of town.
To the dwellers of hell.... ?
So, I guess you guys who actually believe in an eternal hell are just going to spend forever living "amidst a pile of garbage." According to St. Fool, the blessed folks in heaven spend their entire existence staring down at the damned in hell, watching them suffer—and they’re happy about it. Even if those people suffering happen to be their own kids. So, basically, you'll spend all of eternity stuck right next to that absolute trash heap of men and women you call people.
This is honestly great news...
God is just so good that we’re actually going to have constant oversight over this whole senseless existence out there. I guess. Maybe. It's all just too much to wrap my head around sometimes.
The heavenly kingdoms. ...or maybe just about the suffering.
Hellraiser...
That’s how we’ll always be able to see exactly how much they’re struggling. I guess God is just too transparent for that; He always makes it clear that there's no such thing as excessive suffering or anything being undeserved. It's impossible for some devilish type to stand there and claim otherwise.
Man, I’m done. Honestly? I regret everything. I’ve had enough." , "
Oh man, please, no more. I'll be good, I promise."...
It just doesn't exist...
There’s just this pure wickedness that swallowed them whole and turned them straight into devils. And honestly, that malice just keeps craving evil over and over again, only to get kicked in the teeth every single time. I guess it's just how it goes.
And here we are, just watching it all unfold from the sidelines. I guess we’re just sitting back, enjoying the view, and soaking up every bit of paradise while it lasts. Maybe that's the plan.
It's like when some total piece of trash decides, out of nowhere, that they just want to smash my friend and humiliate them.
He’s just acting out because he’s jealous. And honestly? He's stronger than me. I guess.In a beautiful little twist of fate, my buddy absolutely destroyed him. We just sat there on the sidelines, smoking a joint and crushing some donuts, totally enjoying every single second of watching that idiot leader get wrecked.
And in Heaven, it’ll just be like that over and over again every single day...😍
Just wondeeeerful... 👏👏👏
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=6RGcb7alSk0...
Inconsistent with the Tao? So you think God just implants an evil chip in people.
Your point only makes sense if free will doesn't actually exist...
Not really. That's just a theological construct.
It’s obvious you don't believe in free will, and therefore not in guilt. You blame God for everything...
If it existed, or if we could even say anything about Him. The idea that God is to blame is senseless. There’s no culprit, and the whole question is moot.
Question for you...
🙂
If you claim we were created this way by nature or God—meaning we have no free will—then why do you keep trying to demonize Christians?
I never demonize them. I'm just pointing out a monstrous book, monstrous ideas, and a monstrous conception of God.
So we're just stupid memes. And you aren't even responsible for not being a meme, because nature or God decided you weren't one, not you...
We're more than just memes.
So what's the difference between you and Thomas the Fool?
Or between you and those crazy inquisitors?
Or between you and me?
Depends on how you look at it. At some level, there isn't one. But that's "higher mathematics."
Because if there's no free will, there's no difference. Everything is just predetermined by someone else. Why bother getting angry at crazy religious people then...?
Why try so hard to influence things through your writing if you believe nature determines everything?
What’s the point of waving your hands when there's a mosquito buzzing in your ear? Just a reflex?
You're basically just rolling around in some atheist "illusion of meaning". You take the atheist belief in a meaningless existence and try to pull off this acrobatic stunt where you turn it into a struggle for a better, more advanced world...
I mean, what else is left for us? 🤷
How can there be any kind of struggle if we don't even have free will...?
Someone who doesn't believe in free will can't advocate for any kind of change, because that’s just a contradiction and total nonsense...
A mosquito buzzes, you swat at it. What's the big deal?
This kind of intellectual hibernation, while imagining heavenly pleasures, is driven by a desire to make Christian reality look worse than the atheist one (merging with disgusting crap, excuse me, stars)...
The stars aren't "disgusting crap." Show some respect to your celestial parents. 🙄
Nah, in some parts of the world, rapists commit crimes against 50% of the male population (Orange Farm) during peaceful times, while in all of South Africa, that percentage is about 25%... and let's not even get into wartime conditions, unless we want to start summoning apocalyptic rivers of blood...
Let's be real. Disease and brutal poverty are ravaging the human race. There are more mental illnesses than physical ones.
So, all you need to do is set up the circumstances to see who most people around Washington, D.C. really are—people whose biggest sin is stabbing others in the back or constantly insulting and bullying everyone else...
But why is someone malicious and violent? Isn't it mostly in the genes? A lack of empathy.
I know plenty of people who:
1. just screw over others, insulting and humiliating people in the worst ways just for their own amusement. They trample on people just for kicks...
Maybe they have high blood pressure, or someone stepped on their toes, or they've got nervous guts, an ulcer, or maybe their wife won't let them?
2. they wouldn't even help you if you were starving right in front of them...
Help is always a welcome surprise. I’m not out here begging anyone for a hand.
3. they’re so jealous of anything with actual value that they’d rather just take you out on the street (this kind of human malice pops up in every era—take the Nazi era, for example, where mass jealousy from a huge chunk of society was aimed at Jews, who were collectively targeted and supported by most Germans)...
Yeah. There's something deeply broken in a lot of people...
4. the absolute worst part is the look in their eyes. Jesus said it best when He said "the eyes are the lamp of the soul". You can excuse almost anything else a person does—cruelty, boredom, whatever. But that look? It’s impossible to justify. You can read an entire universe inside someone's head through their gaze. And when you see someone looking down at you like you're some lesser creature, totally devoid of love or empathy...
True. I still believe in the Man with the spark in his eye. It's depressing, though not necessarily sad, to see how much that light has faded, especially in the younger generation. Everyone seems so numb... and yet, look around! Existence itself is a miracle.
5. in other scenarios, they wouldn't just commit assault; they'd never stop tormenting others with their wickedness and would never feel a shred of remorse...
Sick.
People like that are pure evil...
Sick. Though honestly, plenty of them deserve to have their "career" on this Earth cut short immediately.
Quote: Within the scope of the evil they're capable of, they really are pure evil. God can only try to plant a seed of goodness through things like Lourdes or through decent people. If they don't take it, pure evil will be their fate forever...
Some religions actually feed into that evil because they encourage people to just sit still and never question their own behavior. To me, that's the biggest flaw in dogmatic religions—getting high on miracles or relying on heaven to bail you out through prayer. You should be working on yourself to actually become a decent human being.
It isn't about what they deserve, it's about where they belong. They belong in a world without love, but for the worst among them (since we aren't all equal), they shouldn't even be given the same offer the Devil gave Jesus regarding all the kingdoms of this world (Ali without the kingdom of heaven in one's heart , they really ought to be punished for all eternity. Some people just deserve the grind...
What's the point of all the world's kingdoms when we're just mortals? If we lose sight of that, we become corruptible by anything and everything. What's the purpose of suffering if it isn't meant to fix a person, or rather, help them achieve themselves?
Do you live in Washington, D.C.?
Tell me which neighborhood, since you clearly haven't run into any hell-raisers... ? |
Brooklyn! 🙂
Quote: Well, you lot who believe in eternal hell will end up living "next to a pile of trash." As St. Thomas the Fool says, the blessed in heaven spend their time staring at the damned in hell, watching them suffer, and feeling happy about it—even if those people are their own kids. So, you'll spend all eternity right next to that "trash" of yours, both men and women.
That sounds like wonderful news...
God is just so kind that we get to have a front-row seat to the meaningless existence outside the heavenly kingdom , or get to watch the misery of hell-dwellers... |
Good news is always tied to bad news, specifically the fact that an endless abyss of hell hangs over us. Have you offended the Holy Spirit? How do you even know you haven't, considering there's no forgiveness for that.
You’d need some serious faith to swallow these quotes from Thomas. You're sitting in heaven watching your own mother and daughter burn in Hell, and you're just smiling at the Lord...
That way we'll always know exactly how much they're suffering, and our transparent God will constantly show us that there's no such thing as excessive or undeserved pain, and that no resident of hell will ever say, "Man, I regret this, enough already" , "Geez, I don't want to do this anymore, I'll be good"...
So you're backing Saint Thomas Aquinas the Fool... OK. You're doing it while being fully aware of all the contradictions and the nonsense surrounding the virginity issue. I respect that. You've made a conscious choice for your faith, knowing the problems and the dogmas. Most believers wouldn't have a clue and would flee this forum immediately out of fear that their faith might waver. You managed to hold onto yours, so hats off to you. I can see I'm witnessing the strength of your belief. 😉 😁
There is only the wickedness that swallowed them and turned them into devils, and that wickedness always seeks evil anew, and always gets kicked in the teeth for it...
I don't believe in absolute evil. Just in a sickness that is curable, even if it borders on a miracle.
Meanwhile, we’re just watching from the sidelines, enjoying the absolute bliss of paradise...
Good luck! :-)
It’s like when some loser, out of nowhere, tries to bully my buddy (acting tough because he's jealous and thinks he's stronger). In a beautiful twist of fate, my friend absolutely wrecked him. We were just standing there, smoking a joint, crushing donuts, and enjoying every single second of seeing that idiot get taken down...
Violence is everywhere; it's baked into who we are. No one gets a pass. Today you're the helpless victim being humiliated, tomorrow you're the one holding the grudge and swinging back.
And in Paradise, it'll be like that every single day...😍
Gross. An entire eternity with no way to opt out.
Soooo lovely. 👏
Disgusting. It's inhuman. We’re mortal beings meant to grasp the universe and reach for the stars. We aren't some invincible, eternal Supermen or Superwomen. That's just not how we're wired.
