All-day school schedules

A few organizations and associations finally weighed in on the online consultation, and not a single comment was positive 😛
Today, the American Mathematical Society, the Freedom From Religion Foundation, various teachers' unions, and even parent groups have submitted their stances 👍

It will be interesting to see if they actually listen to any of it

I mean, does anyone else remember that other public debate in the States where we got flooded with like 3,000 comments, and maybe—if you’re being really generous—like 0.1% of them were actually positive?

I've seen them at all levels—projects, sales, key accounts, office roles, operations. Most people are pulling in around $1,600 to $2,200 a month after taxes. Honestly, calling someone a "manager" is often just semantics. Like, a sub-manager at a big retailer might be called a regional manager, which pays maybe $10k-$$4000 a year. At the end of the day, a team lead is basically just a junior management role. In most companies, you don't hit director-level status until you're well past level 20.

So, I guess Galactic is right. Making $2,000 a month in the private sector usually means you're in a pretty solid management spot (unless you're in tech, which is its own universe entirely). Salaries in the public sector are even lower, so to hit that $2,000 net mark at a place like HP, you’d probably need to be in a serious director position—for instance, the CEO might only be making around $3,000.

Teachers are definitely underpaid, especially considering they're responsible for shaping entire future generations.

Sarah Hall53 said:I mean, does anyone else remember that other public debate in the States where we got flooded with like 3,000 comments, and maybe—if you’re being really generous—like 0.1% of them were actually positive?

Great. Next up: double salaries, shorter hours for teachers, segregating all kids with special needs into separate facilities, and banning parents from even getting close. I bet we'd still see 3,000 supportive comments.

Paul Davis2 said:Exactly what this reform proposal is aiming for. Five times the salary? And no prep work at home? I have to wonder, though—what kind of school ignores all the paperwork? Who handles the grading and assessments? Is this woman working in New York City?

How can you be so well-versed in this reform and defend it so stubbornly?

No, seriously—let them work forty hours a week straight in the classroom, buying all their own supplies and teaching tools out of pocket, then triple their paperwork load and dump every single kid into one room—from the absolute geniuses to the ones who can barely hold a conversation. Just make sure the classroom is as colorful as possible, shove at least thirty-three kids into one space, and go ahead and post the teacher's home address and private cell number on the school website so they can be harassed any time of the day or night. Then I'm sure everything will be just peachy, productivity will skyrocket, and our education system will be absolutely flawless!

Sarah Hall53 said:I mean, does anyone else remember that other public debate in the States where we got flooded with like 3,000 comments, and maybe—if you’re being really generous—like 0.1% of them were actually positive?

Seriously, they already hit 3,000? Wow.

jadetinker85 said:How can you be so well-versed in this reform and defend it so stubbornly?

I’ve honestly had to stop myself a few times lately and think, "Steve, is that really you?"

Paul Davis2 said:Exactly what this reform proposal is aiming for. Five times the salary? And no prep work at home? I have to wonder, though—what kind of school ignores all the paperwork? Who handles the grading and assessments? Is this woman working in New York City?

I think you're missing the point here—I specifically said there isn't any admin work left. Sure, they prep for class, but there aren't those endless spreadsheets to fill out just to customize lesson plans, or clicking through boxes to log absences, or checking off excuses, or archiving consent forms, or writing and filing Markov's descriptive comments for three years... (honestly, there AREN'T even grades, period. It's just feedback sent to parents four times a year, and then the actual grades go to external evaluators annually)...

jadetinker85 said:Seriously, they already hit 3,000? Wow.

Not quite there yet—it's sitting at 2,500 right now—but honestly, seeing as we've had about 700 comments pour in just over the last 24 hours, I’m feeling pretty optimistic that we'll be knocking on the door of 3,000 by the end of the day.

Sarah Hall53 said:I think you're missing the point here—I specifically said there isn't any admin work left. Sure, they prep for class, but there aren't those endless spreadsheets to fill out just to customize lesson plans, or clicking through boxes to log absences, or checking off excuses, or archiving consent forms, or writing and filing Markov's descriptive comments for three years... (honestly, there AREN'T even grades, period. It's just feedback sent to parents four times a year, and then the actual grades go to external evaluators annually)...

Honestly, if you hate your job this much, maybe working in education isn't the right path for you.

jadetinker85 said:How can you be so well-versed in this reform and defend it so stubbornly?

I've read the document myself.

Paul Davis2 said:Honestly, if you hate your job this much, maybe working in education isn't the right path for you.

Yeah, okay—I "hate" my job because I can't stand all the pointless paperwork that seems to exist just for the sake of existing... which, by the way, doesn't mean I shouldn't be working in a classroom with students. 😍
I totally see where you're coming from, though. Your logic is perfectly clear. 😵

Sarah Hall53 said:I’ve honestly had to stop myself a few times lately and think, "Steve, is that really you?"

Classic Steve.

Sarah Hall53 said:Yeah, okay—I "hate" my job because I can't stand all the pointless paperwork that seems to exist just for the sake of existing... which, by the way, doesn't mean I shouldn't be working in a classroom with students. 😍
I totally see where you're coming from, though. Your logic is perfectly clear. 😵

Maybe you just need a change of scenery—maybe it’s the principal at your school. In mine, teachers basically just plug in generic grades provided by the textbook publishers, occasionally throwing in some baseless commentary about a kid's "potential" just for fun. Even the lesson plans are just cookie-cutter stuff from the publishers. The kids end up carrying around their own
permission slips at the start of the year, with a note saying one signature covers every single project, research assignment, and art class.

What do you mean, "your school"? Like, are we talking about where your kids go, or are you actually teaching, counseling, or running the place as a principal?

Kenneth Garcia9 said:What do you mean, "your school"? Like, are we talking about where your kids go, or are you actually teaching, counseling, or running the place as a principal?

I actually worked at that school before, and now my kids go there. I’m working at a different one currently—so, naturally, there are differences from one school to the next.

Paul Davis2 said:I actually worked at that school before, and now my kids go there. I’m working at a different one currently—so, naturally, there are differences from one school to the next.

So you’re fine with IT staff and after-school program workers getting laid off while elementary teachers are stuck on an 8 to 3:30 grind? You think it's okay that things like classroom management, extra stipends, and prep time are just lumped under "miscellaneous duties," or that monitoring duty during lunch breaks counts for absolutely nothing?
And don't even get me started on music academies, sports clubs, or the kids whose parents are working the afternoon shifts.

Seriously, jadetinker85, she wasn't even in your class—what are you even talking about?
If I had to take a wild guess, though... she’d probably be working in the front office, maybe in administration or accounting, or possibly some kind of specialized support staff.

Sarah Hall53 said:Seriously, jadetinker85, she wasn't even in your class—what are you even talking about?
If I had to take a wild guess, though... she’d probably be working in the front office, maybe in administration or accounting, or possibly some kind of specialized support staff.

I don't doubt that for a second. 😉 Probably the front office.