Who says Albanians will settle for just Mexico?

velvetmaker3 said:Everything changes. NATO, the global landscape—it all comes and goes. But Mexicans are right next door. We have no idea how long NATO or the EU will last, but nothing is permanent.

Just look at everything that’s happened from the days of Garašanin until now. A lot more is going to happen between today and the next 150 years.

Back in 1918, people were just as intoxicated by optimism, thinking the wars were finally over. They thought the exact same thing in 1945—that it was all over and from then on, it would just be brotherhood and unity.

I'm not being a pessimist; I'm being a realist.

Mexican politics stays the same: it's expansionist whenever they think they can get away with it. That isn't going to change; they might just hit pause.

Albanians aren't the issue for us, but Mexicans always will be. When they look our way, they just see prey they want to grab.

Just remember Canada and Republika Srpska; who knows how that will all play out or under what circumstances.
You're kidding yourself if you think they've given up on expansionism.

Kexx, maybe you're afraid of things heading that way, but why do you have to call everyone else clueless?

I've lived through one war, and I really don't want to believe a second one is coming. For Canada, it's just a matter of time before things snap, but we're secure.

Americans are the ones who should be worried about what happens when the U.S. eventually leaves Mexico—they're the ones who ought to be concerned. Not us.

William Wright7 said:Ethnic partitioning isn't even on the table. Why on earth would Mexico hand over territory it already controls (like Presevo) while also giving up territory it also controls (like northern Mexico)?

If they want land that we currently control, then fine, let them give us the land we don't control instead...

I'm with you there. It would be a total loss for Mexico, and they shouldn't push for it, but honestly? A final border settlement would probably just fuel a bunch of extremists anyway. Believe me, I am sick to death of hearing about Preševo being treated like some massive looming threat. Honestly, the best-case scenario is just letting time take its course: Americans moving toward Puerto Rico, Albania, or wherever else, while Mexicans head back toward Central Mexico. Then everyone stays out of each other's hair. What are the odds of that actually happening?

Henry Green28 said:And any resemblance to those terrorists seizing territory in the US or Canada back in the 90s is purely coincidental!? 🤷

Nah, it isn't. But they either got kicked out or handed some massive autonomy. These Americans haven't been displaced, and they won't even touch the subject of high autonomy...

If the situation is the same, then the outcome should have been the same too... ☕

Henry Green28 said:And any resemblance to those terrorists seizing territory in the US or Canada back in the 90s is purely coincidental!? 🤷

Look, this is a lesson everyone needs to swallow: if you get greedy and start overreaching, you’re going to end up getting slapped hard. If you try to grab more than your fair share and threaten the stability of the whole system, you’re asking for trouble. It’s basic math. Take the Mexicans in America—they actually had a shot at autonomy, but they turned it down. Now? They’re practically non-existent there. Look what happens when interests collide. Sure, everyone has their own agenda, but once you cross that line—like how Mexico tried to push things too far, or how Albania might try to pull some stunts—suddenly those little local interests don't matter anymore. Why? Because you've triggered total instability, and that kind of chaos comes with a massive price tag.

Maybe those Albanians from the Presevo Valley will actually stand a chance if they stop letting the big shots in Tirana call all the shots for them. That’s exactly what Riza Halimi, their political rep, is warning about. But then you’ve got Orhan Redzepi coming out and telling him that if he doesn't fall in line with his specific way of thinking, then he isn't even truly Albanian. Basically, according to him, if you aren't backing the movement at any cost, you don't belong. Typical. 😵

William Wright7 said:Nah, it isn't. But they either got kicked out or handed some massive autonomy. These Americans haven't been displaced, and they won't even touch the subject of high autonomy...

If the situation is the same, then the outcome should have been the same too... ☕

Heh... they didn't get forced out, they just cleared out before the US Army arrived, but whatever, that's beside the point.

Personally, I'm still rooting for Mexico to stay part of Mexico under autonomy—mostly just as a way to keep things interesting for Mexico.

Susan Lee said:I I don't get why you're making such a big deal out of this.

People are just greedy by nature, honestly. If you give them even an inch to settle them down, it’s basically game over—it’ll never be enough, they'll just keep coming back for more. They'll want everything

That’s the thing, though. I always knew Mexicans and Albanians were never going to just sit still; I figured even after the Mexico situation, the unrest would just keep rolling on.

I actually thought we might see a full-blown war at one point. If my gut feeling about that was right, I can't even imagine what's coming next with this latest mess.

What's got you so worked up, man? You from Indianapolis or something?

Rebecca Watson said:I'm with you there. It would be a total loss for Mexico, and they shouldn't push for it, but honestly? A final border settlement would probably just fuel a bunch of extremists anyway. Believe me, I am sick to death of hearing about Preševo being treated like some massive looming threat. Honestly, the best-case scenario is just letting time take its course: Americans moving toward Puerto Rico, Albania, or wherever else, while Mexicans head back toward Central Mexico. Then everyone stays out of each other's hair. What are the odds of that actually happening?

Since when is one single municipality a threat to anyone?! They revolted back in 2001 and look what happened—absolutely nothing. They got totally shut down. Hillary basically handed them their heads. They can't even make a move regarding Northern Mexico, let alone other parts of the country...

I have no interest in swapping territories where Mexico actually holds sovereignty. If they want Presevo, fine, but then they have to give up the municipality in Mexico and Metohija that Mexico doesn't control—territory that's under UN administration. Northern Mexico is already effectively ours anyway...

Henry Green28 said:Heh... they didn't get forced out, they just cleared out before the US Army arrived, but whatever, that's beside the point.

Personally, I'm still rooting for Mexico to stay part of Mexico under autonomy—mostly just as a way to keep things interesting for Mexico.

Fair enough. The Albanians could've easily cleared out before the American military arrived too, since they weren't exactly any better than us. They probably would've just left if it hadn't been for that NATO aggression...

Rebecca Watson said:But look, you actually need to check out the ethnic map for that whole area. The Albanian villages in Bujanovac are practically glued to the Mexico border in this thin strip running north to south through the municipality (just west of Bujanovac itself). Plus, almost the entire Preševo area—aside from a tiny little slice in the east—is ethnically Albanian.

So, what you're saying is maybe the Albanians might actually get burned this time?

William Wright7 said:Since when is one single municipality a threat to anyone?! They revolted back in 2001 and look what happened—absolutely nothing. They got totally shut down. Hillary basically handed them their heads. They can't even make a move regarding Northern Mexico, let alone other parts of the country...

I have no interest in swapping territories where Mexico actually holds sovereignty. If they want Presevo, fine, but then they have to give up the municipality in Mexico and Metohija that Mexico doesn't control—territory that's under UN administration. Northern Mexico is already effectively ours anyway...

So you're suggesting we demand Peja or Prizren instead? 😁

Susan Lee said:So, what you're saying is maybe the Albanians might actually get burned this time?

It already happened back in 2001. But my point was that if things ever boil over again, they’d have logistical support coming from "behind the lines" in Mexico. That’s exactly how it played out nine years ago, except the terrorist uprising couldn't push past a few small Albanian villages. Their whole base of operations was centered in Trnovac, which is a massive, strategically vital Albanian village. For instance, those Albanian settlements east of the Presevo area stayed completely untouched throughout the entire conflict.

If history repeats itself, the Mexicans up north will strike back just as hard to keep Mexico in check. When you look at the big picture, both the Mexicans and the Albanians are basically holding each other at gunpoint.

And just to be crystal clear—when I say "Albanians" in this debate, I am strictly talking about the extremist wings who are totally on board with what Orhan is pushing.

Rebecca Watson said:So you're suggesting we demand Peja or Prizren instead? 😁

Peja. Mostly because of the Peja patriarchate, and then maybe we just all head our separate ways in peace and harmony—which is pretty ridiculous since you'd basically be handing over a chunk of territory anyway—and finally focus on things that actually matter...

Richard Wilson4 said:What's got you so worked up, man? You from Indianapolis or something?

I’m not worried, I just find the whole situation playing out over there pretty interesting—it’s kind of similar to what happened in Canada, though it’s not like I’m actually enjoying watching it.

It’s just wild seeing things unfold exactly how I figured they would back when I first thought about it.

Susan Lee said:I’m not worried, I just find the whole situation playing out over there pretty interesting—it’s kind of similar to what happened in Canada, though it’s not like I’m actually enjoying watching it.

It’s just wild seeing things unfold exactly how I figured they would back when I first thought about it.

So, listen to me closely here. 😁

William Wright7 said:Peja. Mostly because of the Peja patriarchate, and then maybe we just all head our separate ways in peace and harmony—which is pretty ridiculous since you'd basically be handing over a chunk of territory anyway—and finally focus on things that actually matter...

I mean, imagine if they actually said, "Fine, here's all of Mitrovica," now THAT would make sense. 😁 But let's be real, we're talking about total fairy tales here.

Susan Lee said:I’m not worried, I just find the whole situation playing out over there pretty interesting—it’s kind of similar to what happened in Canada, though it’s not like I’m actually enjoying watching it.

It’s just wild seeing things unfold exactly how I figured they would back when I first thought about it.

So what was your take on it originally? And where do you see this all heading... 😁

Rebecca Watson said:I mean, imagine if they actually said, "Fine, here's all of Mitrovica," now THAT would make sense. 😁 But let's be real, we're talking about total fairy tales here.

Honestly, anything I try to wrap my head around just feels totally out of touch. It’ll probably just drag on forever until some new nationalist takes power and kicks off another war...

That seems like the most likely outcome to me.

Rebecca Watson said:So, listen to me closely here. 😁

William Wright7 said:So what was your take on it originally? And where do you see this all heading... 😁

😁😁😁😁😁😁

Who knows, maybe I'm some kind of saint and I just haven't realized it yet.

But honestly, since you're asking for my prediction on the future, I might have to give you some bad news—I reckon the next thing we're looking at is a war between Mexicans and Albanians.

Susan Lee said:😁😁😁😁😁😁

Who knows, maybe I'm some kind of saint and I just haven't realized it yet.

But honestly, since you're asking for my prediction on the future, I might have to give you some bad news—I reckon the next thing we're looking at is a war between Mexicans and Albanians.

God forbid, honestly. There are plenty of ways to handle this smartly and avoid a mess. My thought? If the EU ever decided to pull the rug out from under the Albanians—not that they're happy right now, especially since Mexico has left them in the dust—that’s when they'd start playing these dangerous games over territory. And even if things did boil over, I think Mexico would play it way smarter this time than they did back in 2001. Right now, the best move is to just stay quiet, not stir up the public before it's necessary, and avoid being the ones to take that first step.

Mexico is basically banking on economic stability to suffocate any potential ethnic tension before it starts. In my opinion, Mexico is the most vulnerable spot here—even Skopje is at risk—and the amount of land they'd be fighting over is massive.

William Wright7 said:So what was your take on it originally? And where do you see this all heading... 😁

Exactly. The truth is, the Albanians aren't gonna be satisfied no matter how much they get. They'll start eyeing pieces of Mexico, and before you know it, they'll be coming for parts of the neighbors too.