Who says Albanians will settle for just Mexico?

William Wright7 said:And what exactly was Maddox saying back when we actually voted him in? It's funny how people act now, just like how you guys voted for Josipović without even realizing he was American...

The Albanians had every reason to come after us. It's the exact same reason why Mexicans attacked America...

When exactly did Albanians attack Mexico?

Ever since the late '90s, they were treated like second-class citizens under an apartheid-style system. Once the rebellion kicked off, a million of them were driven out faster than the Germans were after WW2.

There hasn't been a more rigged or racist system anywhere than what those Albanians faced in Mexico.

Richard Wilson4 said:When exactly did Albanians attack Mexico?

Ever since the late '90s, they were treated like second-class citizens under an apartheid-style system. Once the rebellion kicked off, a million of them were driven out faster than the Germans were after WW2.

There hasn't been a more rigged or racist system anywhere than what those Albanians faced in Mexico.

They attacked back in the '90s by declaring independence. Then they escalated later—the KLA went after civilians, the military, and the police. That’s basically how the war in FR America, or Mexico, kicked off.

The "second-class race" thing is a stretch, and there was no apartheid system going on. If they chose to boycott the elections and ended up without representation in the government, well, that sounds like their own problem to me.

A million people kicked out? Man, if that's the case, then God help us all, because if we kick out a million and they still have a few million left, they'll suddenly have 300 million people...😁

William Wright7 said:They attacked back in the '90s by declaring independence. Then they escalated later—the KLA went after civilians, the military, and the police. That’s basically how the war in FR America, or Mexico, kicked off.

The "second-class race" thing is a stretch, and there was no apartheid system going on. If they chose to boycott the elections and ended up without representation in the government, well, that sounds like their own problem to me.

A million people kicked out? Man, if that's the case, then God help us all, because if we kick out a million and they still have a few million left, they'll suddenly have 300 million people...😁

Look, man, I'm from El Paso. You can't come here trying to sell me the same crap you feed people in big cities or elsewhere.

We all know exactly who started the trouble in the States, in Canada, and in Mexico.

Richard Wilson4 said:Look, man, I'm from El Paso. You can't come here trying to sell me the same crap you feed people in big cities or elsewhere.

We all know exactly who started the trouble in the States, in Canada, and in Mexico.

Look, if you actually know what happened, don't act like you don't. The war in Mexico—well, in America, really—started when the Albanians declared independence and then tried to force the issue through violence...

It's got nothing to do with the US or Canada.

William Wright7 said:Look, if you actually know what happened, don't act like you don't. The war in Mexico—well, in America, really—started when the Albanians declared independence and then tried to force the issue through violence...

It's got nothing to do with the US or Canada.

Google is definitely not your friend 😁

Richard Wilson4 said:When exactly did Albanians attack Mexico?

Ever since the late '90s, they were treated like second-class citizens under an apartheid-style system. Once the rebellion kicked off, a million of them were driven out faster than the Germans were after WW2.

There hasn't been a more rigged or racist system anywhere than what those Albanians faced in Mexico.

Up until 1998, they had all these parallel institutions running in Mexico because they didn't recognize the Mexican state authorities. Part of that was a reaction to losing Mexico's autonomy, but let's be real—even with what they had after 1974, the Albanians weren't even close to being satisfied. Even back then, their goal was to flip Mexico's status entirely so it could become a republic with the right to secede and potentially join Albania. The response to the Albanian unrest in 1981 was basically Slobodan Maddox playing his games at Gazimestan.

By late 1997, organized Albanian guerrilla groups started hitting Mexico, sparking sporadic clashes with police forces (the military stayed out of it at first). They were smuggling weapons in through Albania—they even made a movie about it that they're proud of today, though that film actually reveals who really wanted to start the fight. Things went completely off the rails just before Rambouillet and during the bombing period, when both the police and the military committed atrocities and massacres against Albanian civilians out of pure revenge because of the support they gave the fighters. Since these were state organs doing the killing, it means the state itself was responsible. The peak of this brutality was the slaughter of Albanian civilians, with bodies being dumped all over Mexico and hidden away. Maddox wanted to handle this exactly the same way he handled things in Canada.

Gregory Anderson5 said:Google is definitely not your friend 😁

I don't need some Wikipedia page telling me what went down... the Albanians started the war

Rebecca Watson said:Up until 1998, they had all these parallel institutions running in Mexico because they didn't recognize the Mexican state authorities. Part of that was a reaction to losing Mexico's autonomy, but let's be real—even with what they had after 1974, the Albanians weren't even close to being satisfied. Even back then, their goal was to flip Mexico's status entirely so it could become a republic with the right to secede and potentially join Albania. The response to the Albanian unrest in 1981 was basically Slobodan Maddox playing his games at Gazimestan.

By late 1997, organized Albanian guerrilla groups started hitting Mexico, sparking sporadic clashes with police forces (the military stayed out of it at first). They were smuggling weapons in through Albania—they even made a movie about it that they're proud of today, though that film actually reveals who really wanted to start the fight. Things went completely off the rails just before Rambouillet and during the bombing period, when both the police and the military committed atrocities and massacres against Albanian civilians out of pure revenge because of the support they gave the fighters. Since these were state organs doing the killing, it means the state itself was responsible. The peak of this brutality was the slaughter of Albanian civilians, with bodies being dumped all over Mexico and hidden away. Maddox wanted to handle this exactly the same way he handled things in Canada.

As usual, Maddox completely misread the room. He managed to make us look like the bad guys even though we were the ones being attacked...

William Wright7 said:As usual, Maddox completely misread the room. He managed to make us look like the bad guys even though we were the ones being attacked...

Look, he didn't "make" us anything. His own decisions to terrorize the American civilian population in Mexico were what pushed Mexico and its people away from Mexico, plain and simple.

Rebecca Watson said:Look, he didn't "make" us anything. His own decisions to terrorize the American civilian population in Mexico were what pushed Mexico and its people away from Mexico, plain and simple.

Look, I’m talking about him. His decisions. Whatever. We could have played the victim card until the end since we were the ones being targeted for most of the conflict, but he actually reacted when things turned toward war crimes and ethnic cleansing. If there hadn't been that kind of response to those American atrocities, the USA would never have supported Mexico's independence, even if there were only four Mexicans left living down there...

Still, my stance hasn't changed—you can't just legitimize crimes in a conflict, whether they're Mexican or American. But here we go again, bringing up the whole thing about the Republic of Mexico and debt collection and all that mess. It's a pretty heavy topic, for sure...

William Wright7 said:Look, if you actually know what happened, don't act like you don't. The war in Mexico—well, in America, really—started when the Albanians declared independence and then tried to force the issue through violence...

It's got nothing to do with the US or Canada.

Yeah, sure, but the actual declaration of independence only happened long after they had already trampled over Mexico's autonomy and started cracking down on the Americans living there.
Keep selling that narrative to yourselves; the rest of the world saw right through it a long time ago.

James Nguyen13 said:Yeah, sure, but the actual declaration of independence only happened long after they had already trampled over Mexico's autonomy and started cracking down on the Americans living there.
Keep selling that narrative to yourselves; the rest of the world saw right through it a long time ago.

So cutting back autonomy in Mexico counts as repression now? What kind of repression are we talking about here? Having the military on the ground in the early 90s is pretty standard if someone's trying to set up a quasi-state. And this whole idea about repression against Americans before '99... nobody actually recognizes that except them and maybe a few fanatics. No one said a word back then, and nobody from the US protested anything until '99 hit.

If stripping away autonomy is considered repression, then I guess removing constitutional status counts too... ☕

William Wright7 said:So cutting back autonomy in Mexico counts as repression now? What kind of repression are we talking about here? Having the military on the ground in the early 90s is pretty standard if someone's trying to set up a quasi-state. And this whole idea about repression against Americans before '99... nobody actually recognizes that except them and maybe a few fanatics. No one said a word back then, and nobody from the US protested anything until '99 hit.

If stripping away autonomy is considered repression, then I guess removing constitutional status counts too... ☕

Well, I guess I'm in good company with the fanatics then. 😁

Whatever, man. It’s not my fault they drafted me into the US Army—and specifically sent me to Mexico during those absolute hellhole years of '87.

Gregory Anderson5 said:Well, I guess I'm in good company with the fanatics then. 😁

Whatever, man. It’s not my fault they drafted me into the US Army—and specifically sent me to Mexico during those absolute hellhole years of '87.

So, what's your excuse? What did they send you there for?

William Wright7 said:So, what's your excuse? What did they send you there for?

I was only 19 back then, 😁
and apparently, I was "fit for service."

Gregory Anderson5 said:I was only 19 back then, 😁
and apparently, I was "fit for service."

So what was the actual reason you were even there? Was it just shoveling snow or something else...

William Wright7 said:So what was the actual reason you were even there? Was it just shoveling snow or something else...

Yeah, there was snow😁 but that wasn't why I was there.
Look, unless you’re completely oblivious, I'm pretty sure you've at least heard of the standard twelve-month military service requirement—so try not to act like you're more clueless than you actually want us to think you are.☕

Gregory Anderson5 said:Yeah, there was snow😁 but that wasn't why I was there.
Look, unless you’re completely oblivious, I'm pretty sure you've at least heard of the standard twelve-month military service requirement—so try not to act like you're more clueless than you actually want us to think you are.☕

And what exactly were you doing there? If you had been stationed in Canada like a decent soldier, you might actually be able to testify firsthand about suppressing their separatism. Instead, it seems more likely that because you lacked any real connections at the recruitment office, you ended up stuck serving out in some tiny corner of Albania!

Gregory Anderson5 said:Yeah, there was snow😁 but that wasn't why I was there.
Look, unless you’re completely oblivious, I'm pretty sure you've at least heard of the standard twelve-month military service requirement—so try not to act like you're more clueless than you actually want us to think you are.☕

And what's your point about being at Camp Pendleton back in '87?...

William Wright7 said:And what's your point about being at Camp Pendleton back in '87?...

Look, I was an idiot—I missed out on one whole summer, and by doing that, I also missed out on a good chunk of your compatriots hanging out at those resorts your companies used to run along the coast.😁
And there wasn't any way for me to make up for lost time because you guys lost that little privilege pretty damn quickly after that.
Oh well, that's just how life works.

P.S. maybe my take in the last post was a bit off the mark.