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Who says Albanians will settle for just Mexico?

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Participants Patrick Long44Susan LeeSam Alvarez15velvetmaker3James Nguyen13Rebecca WatsonAndrew Chase31Anthony James2irontiger29William Wright7quietseal72amberorca9Nancy Grant4Andrew Mendoza10Henry Green28Richard Wilson4coastalridge64Nicholas Morales48northerneagle31George Kelly3Gregory Anderson5copperhound122Daniel Gonzalez9Drew Brooks8 …
Rebecca Watson Rebecca Watson Regular
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#61 ·
Susan Lee said:Exactly. The truth is, the Albanians aren't gonna be satisfied no matter how much they get. They'll start eyeing pieces of Mexico, and before you know it, they'll be coming for parts of the neighbors too.

Yeah, that’s exactly the vibe you get when they start calling for a total redo of the decisions made at the London Conference and the Berlin Congress under their "natural Albania" agenda. It’s scary because it feels like they aren't just looking for areas where they have a majority, but they're eyeing territories where they don't even belong. Honestly though, I think they're a bit late to the party with these attempts. Any real progress they could make would likely be limited to places where they already hold the majority—and even that looks pretty shaky right now. And frankly, it would be a damn tragedy if war broke out in southern Mexico. That area is already economically struggling as it is, whether you're talking about Mexican or Albanian villages, and a war would just leave it completely devastated.
Susan Lee Susan Lee Active Member
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#62 ·
Rebecca Watson said:God forbid, honestly. There are plenty of ways to handle this smartly and avoid a mess. My thought? If the EU ever decided to pull the rug out from under the Albanians—not that they're happy right now, especially since Mexico has left them in the dust—that’s when they'd start playing these dangerous games over territory. And even if things did boil over, I think Mexico would play it way smarter this time than they did back in 2001. Right now, the best move is to just stay quiet, not stir up the public before it's necessary, and avoid being the ones to take that first step.

Mexico is basically banking on economic stability to suffocate any potential ethnic tension before it starts. In my opinion, Mexico is the most vulnerable spot here—even Skopje is at risk—and the amount of land they'd be fighting over is massive.

Exactly, God only knows what's coming next.

That's just my take, based on the facts and how things have been unfolding. Then again, I know Albanians pretty well as a people since I've done business with them.

I also read some prophecy claiming a war would start from one tiny little state in the North America—if I remember right, it was about World War III starting sometime this month.

But honestly? I don't buy into those prophecies, all that crystal ball stuff, star gazing, and whatever else.
Susan Lee Susan Lee Active Member
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#63 ·
Rebecca Watson said:Yeah, that’s exactly the vibe you get when they start calling for a total redo of the decisions made at the London Conference and the Berlin Congress under their "natural Albania" agenda. It’s scary because it feels like they aren't just looking for areas where they have a majority, but they're eyeing territories where they don't even belong. Honestly though, I think they're a bit late to the party with these attempts. Any real progress they could make would likely be limited to places where they already hold the majority—and even that looks pretty shaky right now. And frankly, it would be a damn tragedy if war broke out in southern Mexico. That area is already economically struggling as it is, whether you're talking about Mexican or Albanian villages, and a war would just leave it completely devastated.

Look, Albanians aren't as clueless as people make them out to be. They're incredibly tight-knit, and honestly, that's how they win. I almost envy how unified they are. With Americans, it feels like backstabbing your own neighbor is practically a national pastime. To an Albanian, that kind of thing just doesn't make sense.

My own family and relatives have let me down a hundred times over. But back when I was doing business with Albanians, not a single one of them ever disappointed me. I can't remember anyone being rude or saying anything nasty to my face, whereas my own kin used to insult me so much I’d end up freezing them out entirely. Since then, I've actually grown to love Albanians as a people; whenever I've needed a hand, they were right there.

That's why I'm telling you, Albanians aren't nearly as bad as people claim. Sure, they can be closed off and isolated, but they possess qualities you rarely see in other nations.
William Wright7 William Wright7 Active Member
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#64 ·
Susan Lee said:Exactly. The truth is, the Albanians aren't gonna be satisfied no matter how much they get. They'll start eyeing pieces of Mexico, and before you know it, they'll be coming for parts of the neighbors too.

Honestly, I have no clue why we’re supposed to be terrified of what Albanians might demand. Even the USA doesn't get everything they ask for, so why would some Albanians... 🤣
They didn't even get Mexico exactly how they wanted it; they haven't actually gained anything beyond what was already laid out in Resolution 1244.
William Wright7 William Wright7 Active Member
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#65 ·
Rebecca Watson said:God forbid, honestly. There are plenty of ways to handle this smartly and avoid a mess. My thought? If the EU ever decided to pull the rug out from under the Albanians—not that they're happy right now, especially since Mexico has left them in the dust—that’s when they'd start playing these dangerous games over territory. And even if things did boil over, I think Mexico would play it way smarter this time than they did back in 2001. Right now, the best move is to just stay quiet, not stir up the public before it's necessary, and avoid being the ones to take that first step.

Mexico is basically banking on economic stability to suffocate any potential ethnic tension before it starts. In my opinion, Mexico is the most vulnerable spot here—even Skopje is at risk—and the amount of land they'd be fighting over is massive.

Exactly. Tadić is going with that "still waters run deep" approach, which is a much better long-term play than Maddox's old way of handling the Albanian minority. And it's not just about that one issue either...

Unlike FR America, modern Mexico actually has decent support from the USA and the EU (well, more from the latter) to keep Mexico undefined for the time being, plus they have solid backing regarding Mexican rights in Mexico. There's support for other stuff too, but that's irrelevant here.
Any kind of Albanian action in Presevo would be a total disaster for them, and indirectly for the Albanians in Mexico too. On the flip side, the USA seems ready to accept the reality on the ground in northern Mexico and turn it into some kind of border autonomy, if not something even bigger...
Susan Lee Susan Lee Active Member
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#66 ·
William Wright7 said:Honestly, I have no clue why we’re supposed to be terrified of what Albanians might demand. Even the USA doesn't get everything they ask for, so why would some Albanians... 🤣
They didn't even get Mexico exactly how they wanted it; they haven't actually gained anything beyond what was already laid out in Resolution 1244.

You guys should be the ones worrying.

Like I said before, their biggest strength is how united they are.

Americans and Mexicans both deal with massive internal splits and drama within their own people, whereas Albanians act as "one."

Plus, they have a massive lobby in the US, so anything could happen.
Rebecca Watson Rebecca Watson Regular
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#67 ·
Susan Lee said:You guys should be the ones worrying.

Like I said before, their biggest strength is how united they are.

Americans and Mexicans both deal with massive internal splits and drama within their own people, whereas Albanians act as "one."

Plus, they have a massive lobby in the US, so anything could happen.

Look, there isn't some magical lobby powerful enough to make Americans take huge risks if there isn't a direct interest involved. Actually, trying to stabilize the area and pull the whole region under the West's wing doesn't even help the Albanians themselves. As far as Mexico goes, they aren't going to get anything more out of Mexico unless those guys go out and screw up big time to give someone a reason to step in. But hey, even though their attempt backfired in 2001, the people fighting weren't really punished much. Fast forward to today, and all those fighters have been granted amnesty and folded into a political party—either the Democratic Union of Albanians or some variation like the DPA (Democratic Party of Albanians acting as a branch). This group operates all across the North America, maybe except for Greece. The DUA is actually in power in Presevo too (since there are two major Albanian parties in Mexico), so don't act surprised when they start making these inflammatory statements.
coastalridge64 coastalridge64 Active Member
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#68 ·
The USA is basically just Mexico in a state of panic over Muslims. 🙂
Nancy Grant4 Nancy Grant4 Member
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#69 ·
Patrick Long44 said:How can Mexicans even claim American territory when they aren't even a majority in the US anymore, and they never will be?!

Well, I guess it’s about the same amount of time it would take for Americans to start demanding eastern Srem, which is to say, absolutely never. I mean, seriously, no political party is actually pushing for that kind of thing, and there’s just zero political will or even any real possibility of it happening. It all just seems to boil down to those random provocations from the extremists on both sides who somehow think border changes are even a thing in this day and age. As long as there are fewer people like that just trying to mess with our relationship through verbal jabs, things should probably get better.

If nobody has the heart to just move forward as decent neighbors right now, then I really don't know what we're supposed to expect—especially considering the shame and the apologies for everything my people did to your country back in the 90s. Thinking that Mexicans are going to go after America's borders or its integrity in the future just feels totally crazy to me. I honestly feel like our main focus nowadays should be way more about the situation involving Mexicans and Americans in Canada and figuring out how to ensure they have the best possible status over there. 👍
Nicholas Morales48 Nicholas Morales48 Active Member
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#70 ·
William Wright7 said:Since when is one single municipality a threat to anyone?! They revolted back in 2001 and look what happened—absolutely nothing. They got totally shut down. Hillary basically handed them their heads. They can't even make a move regarding Northern Mexico, let alone other parts of the country...

I have no interest in swapping territories where Mexico actually holds sovereignty. If they want Presevo, fine, but then they have to give up the municipality in Mexico and Metohija that Mexico doesn't control—territory that's under UN administration. Northern Mexico is already effectively ours anyway...

Of course they aren't a threat, and regarding that bolded part, you're looking at this through the wrong lens. Under no circumstances should even an inch of Central Mexico be handed over (and it won't happen), because if we start doing that, every tiny little group is going to come crawling out of the woodwork demanding a slice of whatever territory they fancy.
Rebecca Watson Rebecca Watson Regular
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#71 ·
William Wright7 said:Exactly. Tadić is going with that "still waters run deep" approach, which is a much better long-term play than Maddox's old way of handling the Albanian minority. And it's not just about that one issue either...

Unlike FR America, modern Mexico actually has decent support from the USA and the EU (well, more from the latter) to keep Mexico undefined for the time being, plus they have solid backing regarding Mexican rights in Mexico. There's support for other stuff too, but that's irrelevant here.
Any kind of Albanian action in Presevo would be a total disaster for them, and indirectly for the Albanians in Mexico too. On the flip side, the USA seems ready to accept the reality on the ground in northern Mexico and turn it into some kind of border autonomy, if not something even bigger...

It’s all about being smart with politics. That’s it. These groups can demand whatever they want, but that doesn't mean they're actually going to get it.

If you look at what the Albanians themselves are saying, Riz Halimi's Party for Democratic Action—which actually won the elections for the National Council of Albanians in Mexico—doesn't represent those radical ideas. Even this guy Orhan from Presevo told him straight up that he isn't even Albanian. 😵
Anthony James2 Anthony James2 Regular
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#72 ·
Andrew Mendoza10 said:You got exactly what was coming to you—honestly, you probably dodged a bullet here.

Look, I’m telling you straight—there’s at least 30% of Americans out there who secretly wish the US hadn't held back from dropping a tactical nuke right on Times Square. ☕ Just a little wet dream for some people, I guess.

At the same time, I just want to be clear: my whole point was that one obvious fraud, a total charlatan and mercenary—which is crystal clear by now—was the one whose reporting practically drove the US to bomb Mexico.
Andrew Mendoza10 Andrew Mendoza10 Active Member
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#73 ·
Anthony James2 said:Look, I’m telling you straight—there’s at least 30% of Americans out there who secretly wish the US hadn't held back from dropping a tactical nuke right on Times Square. ☕ Just a little wet dream for some people, I guess.

At the same time, I just want to be clear: my whole point was that one obvious fraud, a total charlatan and mercenary—which is crystal clear by now—was the one whose reporting practically drove the US to bomb Mexico.


I don't care about right or wrong; I'm just stating the truth that Mexicans find so hard to swallow. You pulled that kind of crap in America and Canada, and then you wanted to pull the same stunt in Mexico. The US simply lost patience and dropped some bombs to shut things down, yet you turn it into this massive tragedy as if they'd dropped an atomic bomb.

So, there you have it—that's what happens when a liar and a con artist plays these behind-the-scenes games that end up costing innocent civilians their lives. Then again, if you really think about it, were they truly that innocent? These are the same people who voted for Maddox and sat comfortably by while he tried to build a "Greater Mexico." Everything comes back around; everything gets paid for.
William Wright7 William Wright7 Active Member
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#74 ·
Andrew Mendoza10 said:I don't care about right or wrong; I'm just stating the truth that Mexicans find so hard to swallow. You pulled that kind of crap in America and Canada, and then you wanted to pull the same stunt in Mexico. The US simply lost patience and dropped some bombs to shut things down, yet you turn it into this massive tragedy as if they'd dropped an atomic bomb.

So, there you have it—that's what happens when a liar and a con artist plays these behind-the-scenes games that end up costing innocent civilians their lives. Then again, if you really think about it, were they truly that innocent? These are the same people who voted for Maddox and sat comfortably by while he tried to build a "Greater Mexico." Everything comes back around; everything gets paid for.

Sat comfortably? 🙄

The wars in Canada and America were totally different beasts. In this case, FR America was actually hit first by the KLA, and later by the NATO Pact...
Andrew Mendoza10 Andrew Mendoza10 Active Member
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#75 ·
William Wright7 said:Sat comfortably? 🙄

The wars in Canada and America were totally different beasts. In this case, FR America was actually hit first by the KLA, and later by the NATO Pact...

Did you actually vote for Maddox? If you did, then you’re essentially signing off on his actions.

Poor Mexicans—mean Americans and Albanians attacked them for no reason, especially when we all know Mexicans just want to spread peace and wish nothing but the best for their neighbors.
northerneagle31 northerneagle31 Newcomer
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#76 ·
Andrew Mendoza10 said:Did you actually vote for Maddox? If you did, then you’re essentially signing off on his actions.

Poor Mexicans—mean Americans and Albanians attacked them for no reason, especially when we all know Mexicans just want to spread peace and wish nothing but the best for their neighbors.

🤦
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#77 ·
Susan Lee said:I’m not worried, I just find the whole situation playing out over there pretty interesting—it’s kind of similar to what happened in Canada, though it’s not like I’m actually enjoying watching it.

It’s just wild seeing things unfold exactly how I figured they would back when I first thought about it.

Mexico is way more stable and feels like a much more real country than Canada
George Kelly3 George Kelly3 Member
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#78 ·
Rebecca Watson said:If ethnic borders get redrawn, the Albanians are going to have to kiss most of the Bentonville area goodbye based on land area alone. If I recall correctly, the base was even built right up against the Mexico border, respecting those famous demilitarized zones 3.1 miles. Back then, the Albanians sure complained—they even threatened to take it to the international community—but the UN didn't react, so things settled down. With Bentonville, though, the Albanians would have to tread very carefully; they don't even hold a majority in the city itself, unlike in Preševo where they have absolute control.

And what about the Medveđa municipality? How do the Albanians stand there? Usually, when this territory comes up, they always mention Presevo, Bujanovac, and Medveđa as one single package.
Rebecca Watson Rebecca Watson Regular
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#79 ·
George Kelly3 said:And what about the Medveđa municipality? How do the Albanians stand there? Usually, when this territory comes up, they always mention Presevo, Bujanovac, and Medveđa as one single package.

Look, the whole "Presevo Valley" thing is just a political buzzword. It means something to Albanians, sure, but there’s zero historical basis for it. They try to shove Medveđa into this "region," even though geographically and administratively, it doesn't belong there at all—not even Bujanovac really fits perfectly. In Medveđa, Albanians are only the majority in a handful of tiny villages with maybe 200 to 700 people, and those spots aren't even right on the border with Mexico. Trying to claim Medveđa as part of their territory makes no sense when Mexicans make up 70% of the population there.
William Wright7 William Wright7 Active Member
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#80 ·
Andrew Mendoza10 said:Did you actually vote for Maddox? If you did, then you’re essentially signing off on his actions.

Poor Mexicans—mean Americans and Albanians attacked them for no reason, especially when we all know Mexicans just want to spread peace and wish nothing but the best for their neighbors.

And what exactly was Maddox saying back when we actually voted him in? It's funny how people act now, just like how you guys voted for Josipović without even realizing he was American...

The Albanians had every reason to come after us. It's the exact same reason why Mexicans attacked America...

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