The Enlightenment as a spiritual movement

John Jones3 said:Not really—I consider myself enlightened, and I haven't "ridden" anywhere.

Modern society is exactly what you described, but global peace and stability could actually stem from mass enlightenment. Just striving and devouring spiritual books is worlds apart from actually living it—that’s where people trip up—too much reading and not enough actual work on oneself. That seems to be the core issue today.

Whew!

Look, I am genuinely happy if you truly are enlightened and if you inhabit your own essence—if that is indeed who you ARE—but I have to admit that I remain skeptical. I know plenty of people who are deeply spiritual and possess an incredibly high level of self-awareness, but they didn't reach that state simply by reading spiritual books. They achieved it through decades of active, rigorous pursuit and work. Yet, not a single one of them would ever dare to claim they are enlightened. Those are powerful individuals whose mere presence provides a sense of revitalization.

I assume this also implies that you bear responsibility for those around you who are not yet enlightened. Tell me, what does it actually feel like to be enlightened?

hiddenhound3 said:Whew!

Look, I am genuinely happy if you truly are enlightened and if you inhabit your own essence—if that is indeed who you ARE—but I have to admit that I remain skeptical. I know plenty of people who are deeply spiritual and possess an incredibly high level of self-awareness, but they didn't reach that state simply by reading spiritual books. They achieved it through decades of active, rigorous pursuit and work. Yet, not a single one of them would ever dare to claim they are enlightened. Those are powerful individuals whose mere presence provides a sense of revitalization.

I assume this also implies that you bear responsibility for those around you who are not yet enlightened. Tell me, what does it actually feel like to be enlightened?

You aren't responsible for anyone—in fact, you kind of detach from everyone else; you become an observer waiting to be called upon rather than forcing yourself into the spotlight.
It was rough at first—I lost ground in every area because I couldn't handle the "enlightenment attacks"—but eventually, I adjusted.
I can say I’ve lived my whole life properly just to be enlightened, and honestly, I always was—but before those "attacks," I hit rock bottom. It’s a phase you have to pass through, I guess; everything looks bleak, you lose yourself in the daily grind, and everything feels gray, lifeless, monotonous, and boring. The world seems ugly and it's hard to be part of it—though, as they say, "the night is darkest before the dawn." Being enlightened is a state where you simply Are and nothing else—you just love your neighbor without even thinking about bad deeds, your goals are met easily, and everything you do is done with love. People sense it, so you're constantly surrounded by folks who adore you and put you on a pedestal—even if solitude would sometimes be the better move. A person who has opened their heart chakra enough to feel love as warmth in their chest is on the path. Once you master—or rather, control—all seven chakras, you're left with "levels 8 and 9." The key ones are 3, 6, and finally enlightenment at "level 9"—some claim there are 10 levels, but I don't buy that, or at least I haven't reached them yet. It isn't always wonderful being enlightened; sometimes it’s just a burden you carry, and self-doubt only intensifies—making the search for oneself feel like an impossible mission where you never quite grasp who or what you are. Still, some things are worth searching for eternally, and that's the point—you're always on the path, or as you might say, riding your own horse. I’ve received plenty of answers through visions of our existence and other invisible realms, but I still don't know who I am or where I am—maybe that's why it could be said I'm not enlightened, just like those of yours who refuse to call themselves that.👍

John Jones3 said:You aren't responsible for anyone—in fact, you kind of detach from everyone else; you become an observer waiting to be called upon rather than forcing yourself into the spotlight.
It was rough at first—I lost ground in every area because I couldn't handle the "enlightenment attacks"—but eventually, I adjusted.
I can say I’ve lived my whole life properly just to be enlightened, and honestly, I always was—but before those "attacks," I hit rock bottom. It’s a phase you have to pass through, I guess; everything looks bleak, you lose yourself in the daily grind, and everything feels gray, lifeless, monotonous, and boring. The world seems ugly and it's hard to be part of it—though, as they say, "the night is darkest before the dawn." Being enlightened is a state where you simply Are and nothing else—you just love your neighbor without even thinking about bad deeds, your goals are met easily, and everything you do is done with love. People sense it, so you're constantly surrounded by folks who adore you and put you on a pedestal—even if solitude would sometimes be the better move. A person who has opened their heart chakra enough to feel love as warmth in their chest is on the path. Once you master—or rather, control—all seven chakras, you're left with "levels 8 and 9." The key ones are 3, 6, and finally enlightenment at "level 9"—some claim there are 10 levels, but I don't buy that, or at least I haven't reached them yet. It isn't always wonderful being enlightened; sometimes it’s just a burden you carry, and self-doubt only intensifies—making the search for oneself feel like an impossible mission where you never quite grasp who or what you are. Still, some things are worth searching for eternally, and that's the point—you're always on the path, or as you might say, riding your own horse. I’ve received plenty of answers through visions of our existence and other invisible realms, but I still don't know who I am or where I am—maybe that's why it could be said I'm not enlightened, just like those of yours who refuse to call themselves that.👍

Indeed, that profound darkness of the soul. Bela Hamvas noted that he endured such a period for forty years, and he remains one of those individuals whom I perceive as truly enlightened and conscious.

I can never quite grasp who I am or what my purpose is, yet there are certain truths worth pursuing eternally; perhaps that pursuit itself constitutes enlightenment. One is always on the journey, or as you say, riding one's own horse. I have received many answers through visions regarding our existence and other unseen realms, but I still do not know who I am or where I stand. Perhaps that is precisely why it could be said that I am not enlightened, much like those of your circle who refuse to claim such a title for themselves.👍

I truly cannot say; perhaps the limitation lies within me, as I have never personally experienced enlightenment and therefore may lack the capacity to recognize an enlightened person. I have only encountered spontaneous flashes in the form of visions—extremely rare, yet invariably prophetic. While I still harbor doubts regarding your own enlightenment, that sense of bliss and undisturbed existence which you describe likely mirrors what you believe you have achieved. However, I advise caution, for the path is riddled with illusions and traps, filled with veils and mysteries waiting to be unveiled. I am aware of certain Buddhist monks who pursue their path toward enlightenment by walking under ascetic conditions for eleven years straight. Halfway through, they renounce food, water, and sleep; only those who survive may proceed, and very few among them ever reach the ultimate destination.

Once enlightenment is attained, there are no further objectives! Realization is the absolute and ultimate pinnacle, the sole purpose of existence. Everything else serves merely to feed the ego.

hiddenhound3 said:Indeed, that profound darkness of the soul. Bela Hamvas noted that he endured such a period for forty years, and he remains one of those individuals whom I perceive as truly enlightened and conscious.

I can never quite grasp who I am or what my purpose is, yet there are certain truths worth pursuing eternally; perhaps that pursuit itself constitutes enlightenment. One is always on the journey, or as you say, riding one's own horse. I have received many answers through visions regarding our existence and other unseen realms, but I still do not know who I am or where I stand. Perhaps that is precisely why it could be said that I am not enlightened, much like those of your circle who refuse to claim such a title for themselves.👍

I truly cannot say; perhaps the limitation lies within me, as I have never personally experienced enlightenment and therefore may lack the capacity to recognize an enlightened person. I have only encountered spontaneous flashes in the form of visions—extremely rare, yet invariably prophetic. While I still harbor doubts regarding your own enlightenment, that sense of bliss and undisturbed existence which you describe likely mirrors what you believe you have achieved. However, I advise caution, for the path is riddled with illusions and traps, filled with veils and mysteries waiting to be unveiled. I am aware of certain Buddhist monks who pursue their path toward enlightenment by walking under ascetic conditions for eleven years straight. Halfway through, they renounce food, water, and sleep; only those who survive may proceed, and very few among them ever reach the ultimate destination.

Once enlightenment is attained, there are no further objectives! Realization is the absolute and ultimate pinnacle, the sole purpose of existence. Everything else serves merely to feed the ego.

Forty years in the dark? Depends on how much karma you’ve racked up—whatever baggage you’re lugging from a past life, I guess. Personally, I’d build him a monument just for hanging in there without abandoning his path.

hiddenhound3 said:Indeed, that profound darkness of the soul. Bela Hamvas noted that he endured such a period for forty years, and he remains one of those individuals whom I perceive as truly enlightened and conscious.

I can never quite grasp who I am or what my purpose is, yet there are certain truths worth pursuing eternally; perhaps that pursuit itself constitutes enlightenment. One is always on the journey, or as you say, riding one's own horse. I have received many answers through visions regarding our existence and other unseen realms, but I still do not know who I am or where I stand. Perhaps that is precisely why it could be said that I am not enlightened, much like those of your circle who refuse to claim such a title for themselves.👍

I truly cannot say; perhaps the limitation lies within me, as I have never personally experienced enlightenment and therefore may lack the capacity to recognize an enlightened person. I have only encountered spontaneous flashes in the form of visions—extremely rare, yet invariably prophetic. While I still harbor doubts regarding your own enlightenment, that sense of bliss and undisturbed existence which you describe likely mirrors what you believe you have achieved. However, I advise caution, for the path is riddled with illusions and traps, filled with veils and mysteries waiting to be unveiled. I am aware of certain Buddhist monks who pursue their path toward enlightenment by walking under ascetic conditions for eleven years straight. Halfway through, they renounce food, water, and sleep; only those who survive may proceed, and very few among them ever reach the ultimate destination.

Once enlightenment is attained, there are no further objectives! Realization is the absolute and ultimate pinnacle, the sole purpose of existence. Everything else serves merely to feed the ego.

I doubt it even more than you do—but facts suggest otherwise. Those Buddhist monks aren't really working on spirituality, because an isolated person can't engage with the world and reach true enlightenment. Their love is unexpressed; nobody actually feels loved by it.

hiddenhound3 said:Indeed, that profound darkness of the soul. Bela Hamvas noted that he endured such a period for forty years, and he remains one of those individuals whom I perceive as truly enlightened and conscious.

I can never quite grasp who I am or what my purpose is, yet there are certain truths worth pursuing eternally; perhaps that pursuit itself constitutes enlightenment. One is always on the journey, or as you say, riding one's own horse. I have received many answers through visions regarding our existence and other unseen realms, but I still do not know who I am or where I stand. Perhaps that is precisely why it could be said that I am not enlightened, much like those of your circle who refuse to claim such a title for themselves.👍

I truly cannot say; perhaps the limitation lies within me, as I have never personally experienced enlightenment and therefore may lack the capacity to recognize an enlightened person. I have only encountered spontaneous flashes in the form of visions—extremely rare, yet invariably prophetic. While I still harbor doubts regarding your own enlightenment, that sense of bliss and undisturbed existence which you describe likely mirrors what you believe you have achieved. However, I advise caution, for the path is riddled with illusions and traps, filled with veils and mysteries waiting to be unveiled. I am aware of certain Buddhist monks who pursue their path toward enlightenment by walking under ascetic conditions for eleven years straight. Halfway through, they renounce food, water, and sleep; only those who survive may proceed, and very few among them ever reach the ultimate destination.

Once enlightenment is attained, there are no further objectives! Realization is the absolute and ultimate pinnacle, the sole purpose of existence. Everything else serves merely to feed the ego.

Enlightenment happens before realization, and no, you aren't "done" once you're enlightened—it's just that the ego becomes a lot more subtle.

hiddenhound3 said:Whew!

Look, I am genuinely happy if you truly are enlightened and if you inhabit your own essence—if that is indeed who you ARE—but I have to admit that I remain skeptical. I know plenty of people who are deeply spiritual and possess an incredibly high level of self-awareness, but they didn't reach that state simply by reading spiritual books. They achieved it through decades of active, rigorous pursuit and work. Yet, not a single one of them would ever dare to claim they are enlightened. Those are powerful individuals whose mere presence provides a sense of revitalization.

I assume this also implies that you bear responsibility for those around you who are not yet enlightened. Tell me, what does it actually feel like to be enlightened?

There’s something seriously refreshing about this perspective. No matter how powerful a person thinks they are, we can't possibly grasp the full scale of reality—we're just seeing tiny fragments of the bigger picture through our own limited lenses. So, instead of constantly hunting for better glasses to sharpen the view, wouldn't it be way smarter to just find a way to ditch the prescription altogether?

John Jones3 said:Not really—I consider myself enlightened, and I haven't "ridden" anywhere.

Modern society is exactly what you described, but global peace and stability could actually stem from mass enlightenment. Just striving and devouring spiritual books is worlds apart from actually living it—that’s where people trip up—too much reading and not enough actual work on oneself. That seems to be the core issue today.

So, you’re basically out here acting like you’ve reached total enlightenment or something!
If you’ve already reached enlightenment, then why even bring it up?

wearyhawk83 said:There’s something seriously refreshing about this perspective. No matter how powerful a person thinks they are, we can't possibly grasp the full scale of reality—we're just seeing tiny fragments of the bigger picture through our own limited lenses. So, instead of constantly hunting for better glasses to sharpen the view, wouldn't it be way smarter to just find a way to ditch the prescription altogether?

So, you’re basically out here acting like you’ve reached total enlightenment or something!
If you’ve already reached enlightenment, then why even bring it up?

I don't think I need anyone's permission to mention it—it just came up naturally during the debate, which, let's be honest, is what this whole discussion is about anyway.

John Jones3 said:I don't think I need anyone's permission to mention it—it just came up naturally during the debate, which, let's be honest, is what this whole discussion is about anyway.

Look, knowledge, enlightenment, and all that good stuff aren't contagious diseases you can just pass along to someone else. It's more like a level of personal growth that only the individual can actually achieve themselves. There's nothing to "give" because everything is already there.

If you've actually reached enlightenment, you'd know that. Your whole focus should be on the truth of unity—helping others clear the fog from their own eyes so they can finally see themselves instead of just staring at you.
That way, you wouldn't be wasting breath on useless talk that just makes people recoil from what you're saying. When you speak, you naturally create a divide between yourself and your listener, even though you should know deep down that those distinctions don't even exist.

The people who really get it use methods that bridge gaps rather than creating them.

If you’re going to claim people should focus on themselves instead of me while simultaneously preaching about Oneness, you’re basically lying to yourself—there is no distinction between us in Oneness. We are all one, which means my experience is yours too, provided you actually open yourself up enough to learn from it. There isn't some arbitrary distance between me and anyone else here; I'm just sharing what I've lived through, though apparently, hearing someone's actual experience is an issue for you. Would it be better if we spent ten posts beating around the bush instead of just using plain English to say how things work? It really is that simple—you open the heart chakra (the third is the easiest starting point), then gradually move through the sixth, then all seven, and the path just unfolds without needing some rigid manual.

John Jones3 said:Not really—I consider myself enlightened, and I haven't "ridden" anywhere.

Modern society is exactly what you described, but global peace and stability could actually stem from mass enlightenment. Just striving and devouring spiritual books is worlds apart from actually living it—that’s where people trip up—too much reading and not enough actual work on oneself. That seems to be the core issue today.

So, if you're basically declaring yourself enlightened, then I guess that means your whole journey toward enlightenment is pretty much wrapped up, right? I mean, we’ve definitely talked a ton about what enlightenment actually looks like, but honestly, there's just so much noise out there, so I figured I'd dig up one of my older posts where I was rambling on about those two different types of enlightenment. If any of that stuff resonates with you, or if you feel like you've already tapped into it, then maybe—just maybe—you've finally made it.

So, I was just sitting here thinking about it, and I guess there are basically three main things you really need to pull off reaching enlightenment, right? It’s kind of a big deal, I mean, it's everything, but if you break it down, it feels like there are these core requirements that just have to be met first...

I mean, I guess you could say it’s like being totally wrapped up in some kind of big, beautiful humanistic idea, you know? Like, just being completely devoted to that whole vibe of human potential and stuff. It’s a bit of a trip when you really think about it, maybe even a little overwhelming sometimes, but there's something just so incredibly uplifting about it all, I suppose.
So, I was just sitting here thinking about how we all struggle to get our nervous systems actually working the way they’re supposed to, you know? Like, reaching that state of perfect functioning where everything just flows... it feels like such a massive goal sometimes, I guess. It's kind of wild when you think about it, because our nerves are basically the electrical wiring for everything we do, and if that's off, everything else feels a little bit wonky, maybe. I feel like we spend so much time focusing on other stuff, but if you can just get that internal circuitry balanced out, life might actually feel a whole lot smoother, or at least that's my theory, anyway. It's a big undertaking, for sure, but man, imagine how much better things would be if we could just hit that sweet spot of total neurological harmony.
So, I was just sitting here thinking about how anyone can actually go about reaching those top-tier, like, totally wild paranormal and spiritual powers, you know? It’s kind of a trip when you really get into it, I guess, but there’s definitely a path toward tapping into that whole realm of high-level spiritual energy if you're looking for it.

I guess when you finally hit that point, a person's aura just becomes, like, perfectly pure or whatever. And honestly, I don't think you even have to be aware that this goal exists just to reach enlightenment; it’s kind of wild when you think about it. Like, so many different types of people—you've got your scientists, writers, artists, all those deep religious thinkers, and just general intellectuals—they’ve all reached enlightenment without ever even realizing there was such a thing. They just lived their lives, focusing on positive thoughts and doing good work, which eventually brought their aura into that pure state, and I suppose that's really the whole prerequisite for hitting enlightenment in the first place.

I mean, I guess you could say that when people actually hit that level of enlightenment, things start changing in a really, really massive way, you know? It’s not just some little tweak here or there, but like, a total overhaul of their entire existence, I suppose. Everything shifts.

I mean, if you look at it from a purely physical standpoint, it’s like your whole body just gets this massive surge of life, you know? Like, everything starts revitalizing all at once, and I guess you could say you actually start feeling younger again, which is pretty wild. Your physical capabilities just kind of skyrocket, and maybe even those nagging chronic issues you've been dealing with just sort of back off and disappear. You end up feeling totally tireless, almost like you have endless energy, and honestly, you probably won't even need more than two or three hours of sleep a night because you're just so wired and ready to go.
I guess you could say that from a purely psychic standpoint, you eventually hit this really calm, almost blissful headspace, mostly because all those irrational fears and constant worries just kind of evaporate when you start seeing things coming before they actually happen, which I suppose basically eliminates any chance of being caught off guard by anything at all.
So, when you start looking at how much someone's paranormal abilities can actually shift, man, the changes are honestly pretty massive, I guess. Like, once someone reaches enlightenment, they aren't just seeing things differently—they’re clearly seeing the past and the future all at once, and they can basically pinpoint exactly why someone is sick and what kind of energy work is needed to fix it. It’s wild. And then there’s all these different powers that pop up depending on what a person is naturally tuned into—you know, like reading minds, seeing stuff from miles away, telekinesis, even levitation, or just having this deep, intuitive grasp on how all energy works (though, to be fair, sometimes even the enlightened folks don't fully realize just how much they can actually do). I mean, if you think about it, the whole reason they have such incredible wisdom and insight is probably because they're constantly tapping into those continuous connections with spiritual beings and that big, unified field... you know, the Creator.
I mean, when you look at what they’re actually capable of doing, there really isn't anything that's beyond their grasp, I guess. Like, they basically have a handle on everything from a total mastery of how the human body works and the deep complexities of the psyche, all the way down to fixing massive economic headaches or figuring out how to scale up food production. They could probably even influence the masses in a good way, maybe boosting tolerance between different groups and nations, which would go a long way toward actually securing some peace in the world, if you know what I mean.

I guess the whole point of being an enlightened person—if you can even call it that, maybe I'm overthinking it—is really about making the absolute most of those new abilities you've picked up, you know? It’s like, once you see the light, you kind of have this duty to step up and help push human civilization forward, because at the end of the day, the ultimate goal has to be getting as many people as possible onto the path of the Creator. I mean, that's just how I see it, anyway. Because honestly, if we don't do that, then all the hope the Creator has for us, along with all that intense effort spiritual beings poured into a person to get them there, plus all our own hard work... well, it wouldn't really bear any fruit, would it? It would all just kind of go to waste, which would be a real shame.

I mean, I guess this kind of applies to that whole "mainstream" version of enlightenment that everyone seems to think is the only way to go, you know? Like, there's this one specific path people always point to and act like it’s the absolute gold standard, but honestly, it feels like such a narrow view of things if you really stop to think about it for a second.

So, I was just sitting here thinking about how there are basically two main ways or paths you can take toward enlightenment, and honestly, the whole thing really comes down to the specific route you decide to wander down. There’s that one path everyone seems to talk about all the time, you know? It's probably the most famous one, especially since it's what you see being pushed by all those Eastern religions and philosophical traditions over in Asia, where they basically frame it as the "correct" or standard way to reach that enlightened state.

So, I guess if you look at how they approach things, their whole path toward enlightenment is really more of an inward journey, right? It’s all about finding that deep spiritual peace, just being totally relaxed and blissful, and basically scrubbing away any negative thoughts or anything else that might mess with that inner quiet. Then, once you’ve got that peace, it kind of clears the way for this super pure aura and aligns your own thoughts with the will of the Creator, which I think is what finally opens the door to those high-level paranormal abilities. But here's the thing—it seems like when these enlightened folks use their intention or desire to manifest stuff, they're tapping into these spiritual energies that stay sort of tucked away in the background. It's almost like they're hidden from people who are just looking to grab some power for themselves without actually bothering to study the energy or the mechanics behind how it all works. So, in my opinion, it's like they were definitely utilizing certain effects or possibilities, but they weren't really "controlling" the energies in a technical sense, you know? They weren't exactly managing the flow or engaging in deep contact with the energies or testing out all their extra potential... they were just letting it happen.

So, there's this second kind of enlightenment, which I guess is actually pretty rare—maybe only happens in like 10% of cases? It’s this totally different vibe where you're just completely wide open to the universe and all those energy possibilities out there, which basically lets someone fully soak up and utilize every bit of energetic potential available. Usually, the folks who end up hitting this specific type of enlightenment are the ones who already have this deep thirst or a real affinity for exploring those kinds of phenomena.

The outward stuff you see with this version isn't quite as obvious as it is with the more common type, I suppose. For starters, you don't really get that total, perfect stillness or bliss—you know, that whole Nirvana thing—and some of those classic traits like reading minds or spontaneously seeing auras might be way more subtle or even missing entirely compared to the mainstream version. But then again, some things are super similar in both types, like how physical traits might gradually revert back to how a thirty-five-year-old looks, or just having this incredibly sharp grasp on economics, politics, or whatever science the person is actually into.

I mean, if there's a "better side" to this second type, it's probably the amazing potential for further growth because these people are so tuned into spiritual energies and they actually figure out how to use them—not just to grab power, but to help solve or ease certain big global issues that they care about. Most of the time, though, this kind of work goes totally unnoticed by everyone else since they usually just do it quietly in the background.

Anyway, I guess the actual quality of the enlightenment itself is pretty much equal in both cases.

Here is how the Hermeticists describe the state of enlightenment:

ETERNAL VIGILANCE

To truly survive such an experience, one must master sleep—not merely as a symbolic concept, but in its most literal sense. Nighttime slumber can be viewed as that specific density within Matter which must be thinned out so that the inner Light might shine through, much like the Apuleian 'Sun that shines in the middle of the night.' In this way, we naturally achieve a state of 'separation' every single night, a process that philosophers strive to perfect. As I have noted previously, we cannot simply drift; we must act with intention to witness this transformation, behaving as if we are the very cause of our own becoming, rather than succumbing to diminished and weakened states of consciousness.

Julius Evola

or perhaps Corpus Hermeticum:

The body’s sleep became the soul’s lucidity; even while my eyes were closed, they beheld the Truth.

Gregory Jackson said:So, if you're basically declaring yourself enlightened, then I guess that means your whole journey toward enlightenment is pretty much wrapped up, right? I mean, we’ve definitely talked a ton about what enlightenment actually looks like, but honestly, there's just so much noise out there, so I figured I'd dig up one of my older posts where I was rambling on about those two different types of enlightenment. If any of that stuff resonates with you, or if you feel like you've already tapped into it, then maybe—just maybe—you've finally made it.

So, I was just sitting here thinking about it, and I guess there are basically three main things you really need to pull off reaching enlightenment, right? It’s kind of a big deal, I mean, it's everything, but if you break it down, it feels like there are these core requirements that just have to be met first...

I mean, I guess you could say it’s like being totally wrapped up in some kind of big, beautiful humanistic idea, you know? Like, just being completely devoted to that whole vibe of human potential and stuff. It’s a bit of a trip when you really think about it, maybe even a little overwhelming sometimes, but there's something just so incredibly uplifting about it all, I suppose.
So, I was just sitting here thinking about how we all struggle to get our nervous systems actually working the way they’re supposed to, you know? Like, reaching that state of perfect functioning where everything just flows... it feels like such a massive goal sometimes, I guess. It's kind of wild when you think about it, because our nerves are basically the electrical wiring for everything we do, and if that's off, everything else feels a little bit wonky, maybe. I feel like we spend so much time focusing on other stuff, but if you can just get that internal circuitry balanced out, life might actually feel a whole lot smoother, or at least that's my theory, anyway. It's a big undertaking, for sure, but man, imagine how much better things would be if we could just hit that sweet spot of total neurological harmony.
So, I was just sitting here thinking about how anyone can actually go about reaching those top-tier, like, totally wild paranormal and spiritual powers, you know? It’s kind of a trip when you really get into it, I guess, but there’s definitely a path toward tapping into that whole realm of high-level spiritual energy if you're looking for it.

I guess when you finally hit that point, a person's aura just becomes, like, perfectly pure or whatever. And honestly, I don't think you even have to be aware that this goal exists just to reach enlightenment; it’s kind of wild when you think about it. Like, so many different types of people—you've got your scientists, writers, artists, all those deep religious thinkers, and just general intellectuals—they’ve all reached enlightenment without ever even realizing there was such a thing. They just lived their lives, focusing on positive thoughts and doing good work, which eventually brought their aura into that pure state, and I suppose that's really the whole prerequisite for hitting enlightenment in the first place.

I mean, I guess you could say that when people actually hit that level of enlightenment, things start changing in a really, really massive way, you know? It’s not just some little tweak here or there, but like, a total overhaul of their entire existence, I suppose. Everything shifts.

I mean, if you look at it from a purely physical standpoint, it’s like your whole body just gets this massive surge of life, you know? Like, everything starts revitalizing all at once, and I guess you could say you actually start feeling younger again, which is pretty wild. Your physical capabilities just kind of skyrocket, and maybe even those nagging chronic issues you've been dealing with just sort of back off and disappear. You end up feeling totally tireless, almost like you have endless energy, and honestly, you probably won't even need more than two or three hours of sleep a night because you're just so wired and ready to go.
I guess you could say that from a purely psychic standpoint, you eventually hit this really calm, almost blissful headspace, mostly because all those irrational fears and constant worries just kind of evaporate when you start seeing things coming before they actually happen, which I suppose basically eliminates any chance of being caught off guard by anything at all.
So, when you start looking at how much someone's paranormal abilities can actually shift, man, the changes are honestly pretty massive, I guess. Like, once someone reaches enlightenment, they aren't just seeing things differently—they’re clearly seeing the past and the future all at once, and they can basically pinpoint exactly why someone is sick and what kind of energy work is needed to fix it. It’s wild. And then there’s all these different powers that pop up depending on what a person is naturally tuned into—you know, like reading minds, seeing stuff from miles away, telekinesis, even levitation, or just having this deep, intuitive grasp on how all energy works (though, to be fair, sometimes even the enlightened folks don't fully realize just how much they can actually do). I mean, if you think about it, the whole reason they have such incredible wisdom and insight is probably because they're constantly tapping into those continuous connections with spiritual beings and that big, unified field... you know, the Creator.
I mean, when you look at what they’re actually capable of doing, there really isn't anything that's beyond their grasp, I guess. Like, they basically have a handle on everything from a total mastery of how the human body works and the deep complexities of the psyche, all the way down to fixing massive economic headaches or figuring out how to scale up food production. They could probably even influence the masses in a good way, maybe boosting tolerance between different groups and nations, which would go a long way toward actually securing some peace in the world, if you know what I mean.

I guess the whole point of being an enlightened person—if you can even call it that, maybe I'm overthinking it—is really about making the absolute most of those new abilities you've picked up, you know? It’s like, once you see the light, you kind of have this duty to step up and help push human civilization forward, because at the end of the day, the ultimate goal has to be getting as many people as possible onto the path of the Creator. I mean, that's just how I see it, anyway. Because honestly, if we don't do that, then all the hope the Creator has for us, along with all that intense effort spiritual beings poured into a person to get them there, plus all our own hard work... well, it wouldn't really bear any fruit, would it? It would all just kind of go to waste, which would be a real shame.

I mean, I guess this kind of applies to that whole "mainstream" version of enlightenment that everyone seems to think is the only way to go, you know? Like, there's this one specific path people always point to and act like it’s the absolute gold standard, but honestly, it feels like such a narrow view of things if you really stop to think about it for a second.

So, I was just sitting here thinking about how there are basically two main ways or paths you can take toward enlightenment, and honestly, the whole thing really comes down to the specific route you decide to wander down. There’s that one path everyone seems to talk about all the time, you know? It's probably the most famous one, especially since it's what you see being pushed by all those Eastern religions and philosophical traditions over in Asia, where they basically frame it as the "correct" or standard way to reach that enlightened state.

So, I guess if you look at how they approach things, their whole path toward enlightenment is really more of an inward journey, right? It’s all about finding that deep spiritual peace, just being totally relaxed and blissful, and basically scrubbing away any negative thoughts or anything else that might mess with that inner quiet. Then, once you’ve got that peace, it kind of clears the way for this super pure aura and aligns your own thoughts with the will of the Creator, which I think is what finally opens the door to those high-level paranormal abilities. But here's the thing—it seems like when these enlightened folks use their intention or desire to manifest stuff, they're tapping into these spiritual energies that stay sort of tucked away in the background. It's almost like they're hidden from people who are just looking to grab some power for themselves without actually bothering to study the energy or the mechanics behind how it all works. So, in my opinion, it's like they were definitely utilizing certain effects or possibilities, but they weren't really "controlling" the energies in a technical sense, you know? They weren't exactly managing the flow or engaging in deep contact with the energies or testing out all their extra potential... they were just letting it happen.

So, there's this second kind of enlightenment, which I guess is actually pretty rare—maybe only happens in like 10% of cases? It’s this totally different vibe where you're just completely wide open to the universe and all those energy possibilities out there, which basically lets someone fully soak up and utilize every bit of energetic potential available. Usually, the folks who end up hitting this specific type of enlightenment are the ones who already have this deep thirst or a real affinity for exploring those kinds of phenomena.

The outward stuff you see with this version isn't quite as obvious as it is with the more common type, I suppose. For starters, you don't really get that total, perfect stillness or bliss—you know, that whole Nirvana thing—and some of those classic traits like reading minds or spontaneously seeing auras might be way more subtle or even missing entirely compared to the mainstream version. But then again, some things are super similar in both types, like how physical traits might gradually revert back to how a thirty-five-year-old looks, or just having this incredibly sharp grasp on economics, politics, or whatever science the person is actually into.

I mean, if there's a "better side" to this second type, it's probably the amazing potential for further growth because these people are so tuned into spiritual energies and they actually figure out how to use them—not just to grab power, but to help solve or ease certain big global issues that they care about. Most of the time, though, this kind of work goes totally unnoticed by everyone else since they usually just do it quietly in the background.

Anyway, I guess the actual quality of the enlightenment itself is pretty much equal in both cases.

That’s what I said—the path of an enlightened person is endless; some things are simply worth chasing forever.

Gregory Jackson said:So, if you're basically declaring yourself enlightened, then I guess that means your whole journey toward enlightenment is pretty much wrapped up, right? I mean, we’ve definitely talked a ton about what enlightenment actually looks like, but honestly, there's just so much noise out there, so I figured I'd dig up one of my older posts where I was rambling on about those two different types of enlightenment. If any of that stuff resonates with you, or if you feel like you've already tapped into it, then maybe—just maybe—you've finally made it.

So, I was just sitting here thinking about it, and I guess there are basically three main things you really need to pull off reaching enlightenment, right? It’s kind of a big deal, I mean, it's everything, but if you break it down, it feels like there are these core requirements that just have to be met first...

I mean, I guess you could say it’s like being totally wrapped up in some kind of big, beautiful humanistic idea, you know? Like, just being completely devoted to that whole vibe of human potential and stuff. It’s a bit of a trip when you really think about it, maybe even a little overwhelming sometimes, but there's something just so incredibly uplifting about it all, I suppose.
So, I was just sitting here thinking about how we all struggle to get our nervous systems actually working the way they’re supposed to, you know? Like, reaching that state of perfect functioning where everything just flows... it feels like such a massive goal sometimes, I guess. It's kind of wild when you think about it, because our nerves are basically the electrical wiring for everything we do, and if that's off, everything else feels a little bit wonky, maybe. I feel like we spend so much time focusing on other stuff, but if you can just get that internal circuitry balanced out, life might actually feel a whole lot smoother, or at least that's my theory, anyway. It's a big undertaking, for sure, but man, imagine how much better things would be if we could just hit that sweet spot of total neurological harmony.
So, I was just sitting here thinking about how anyone can actually go about reaching those top-tier, like, totally wild paranormal and spiritual powers, you know? It’s kind of a trip when you really get into it, I guess, but there’s definitely a path toward tapping into that whole realm of high-level spiritual energy if you're looking for it.

I guess when you finally hit that point, a person's aura just becomes, like, perfectly pure or whatever. And honestly, I don't think you even have to be aware that this goal exists just to reach enlightenment; it’s kind of wild when you think about it. Like, so many different types of people—you've got your scientists, writers, artists, all those deep religious thinkers, and just general intellectuals—they’ve all reached enlightenment without ever even realizing there was such a thing. They just lived their lives, focusing on positive thoughts and doing good work, which eventually brought their aura into that pure state, and I suppose that's really the whole prerequisite for hitting enlightenment in the first place.

I mean, I guess you could say that when people actually hit that level of enlightenment, things start changing in a really, really massive way, you know? It’s not just some little tweak here or there, but like, a total overhaul of their entire existence, I suppose. Everything shifts.

I mean, if you look at it from a purely physical standpoint, it’s like your whole body just gets this massive surge of life, you know? Like, everything starts revitalizing all at once, and I guess you could say you actually start feeling younger again, which is pretty wild. Your physical capabilities just kind of skyrocket, and maybe even those nagging chronic issues you've been dealing with just sort of back off and disappear. You end up feeling totally tireless, almost like you have endless energy, and honestly, you probably won't even need more than two or three hours of sleep a night because you're just so wired and ready to go.
I guess you could say that from a purely psychic standpoint, you eventually hit this really calm, almost blissful headspace, mostly because all those irrational fears and constant worries just kind of evaporate when you start seeing things coming before they actually happen, which I suppose basically eliminates any chance of being caught off guard by anything at all.
So, when you start looking at how much someone's paranormal abilities can actually shift, man, the changes are honestly pretty massive, I guess. Like, once someone reaches enlightenment, they aren't just seeing things differently—they’re clearly seeing the past and the future all at once, and they can basically pinpoint exactly why someone is sick and what kind of energy work is needed to fix it. It’s wild. And then there’s all these different powers that pop up depending on what a person is naturally tuned into—you know, like reading minds, seeing stuff from miles away, telekinesis, even levitation, or just having this deep, intuitive grasp on how all energy works (though, to be fair, sometimes even the enlightened folks don't fully realize just how much they can actually do). I mean, if you think about it, the whole reason they have such incredible wisdom and insight is probably because they're constantly tapping into those continuous connections with spiritual beings and that big, unified field... you know, the Creator.
I mean, when you look at what they’re actually capable of doing, there really isn't anything that's beyond their grasp, I guess. Like, they basically have a handle on everything from a total mastery of how the human body works and the deep complexities of the psyche, all the way down to fixing massive economic headaches or figuring out how to scale up food production. They could probably even influence the masses in a good way, maybe boosting tolerance between different groups and nations, which would go a long way toward actually securing some peace in the world, if you know what I mean.

I guess the whole point of being an enlightened person—if you can even call it that, maybe I'm overthinking it—is really about making the absolute most of those new abilities you've picked up, you know? It’s like, once you see the light, you kind of have this duty to step up and help push human civilization forward, because at the end of the day, the ultimate goal has to be getting as many people as possible onto the path of the Creator. I mean, that's just how I see it, anyway. Because honestly, if we don't do that, then all the hope the Creator has for us, along with all that intense effort spiritual beings poured into a person to get them there, plus all our own hard work... well, it wouldn't really bear any fruit, would it? It would all just kind of go to waste, which would be a real shame.

I mean, I guess this kind of applies to that whole "mainstream" version of enlightenment that everyone seems to think is the only way to go, you know? Like, there's this one specific path people always point to and act like it’s the absolute gold standard, but honestly, it feels like such a narrow view of things if you really stop to think about it for a second.

So, I was just sitting here thinking about how there are basically two main ways or paths you can take toward enlightenment, and honestly, the whole thing really comes down to the specific route you decide to wander down. There’s that one path everyone seems to talk about all the time, you know? It's probably the most famous one, especially since it's what you see being pushed by all those Eastern religions and philosophical traditions over in Asia, where they basically frame it as the "correct" or standard way to reach that enlightened state.

So, I guess if you look at how they approach things, their whole path toward enlightenment is really more of an inward journey, right? It’s all about finding that deep spiritual peace, just being totally relaxed and blissful, and basically scrubbing away any negative thoughts or anything else that might mess with that inner quiet. Then, once you’ve got that peace, it kind of clears the way for this super pure aura and aligns your own thoughts with the will of the Creator, which I think is what finally opens the door to those high-level paranormal abilities. But here's the thing—it seems like when these enlightened folks use their intention or desire to manifest stuff, they're tapping into these spiritual energies that stay sort of tucked away in the background. It's almost like they're hidden from people who are just looking to grab some power for themselves without actually bothering to study the energy or the mechanics behind how it all works. So, in my opinion, it's like they were definitely utilizing certain effects or possibilities, but they weren't really "controlling" the energies in a technical sense, you know? They weren't exactly managing the flow or engaging in deep contact with the energies or testing out all their extra potential... they were just letting it happen.

So, there's this second kind of enlightenment, which I guess is actually pretty rare—maybe only happens in like 10% of cases? It’s this totally different vibe where you're just completely wide open to the universe and all those energy possibilities out there, which basically lets someone fully soak up and utilize every bit of energetic potential available. Usually, the folks who end up hitting this specific type of enlightenment are the ones who already have this deep thirst or a real affinity for exploring those kinds of phenomena.

The outward stuff you see with this version isn't quite as obvious as it is with the more common type, I suppose. For starters, you don't really get that total, perfect stillness or bliss—you know, that whole Nirvana thing—and some of those classic traits like reading minds or spontaneously seeing auras might be way more subtle or even missing entirely compared to the mainstream version. But then again, some things are super similar in both types, like how physical traits might gradually revert back to how a thirty-five-year-old looks, or just having this incredibly sharp grasp on economics, politics, or whatever science the person is actually into.

I mean, if there's a "better side" to this second type, it's probably the amazing potential for further growth because these people are so tuned into spiritual energies and they actually figure out how to use them—not just to grab power, but to help solve or ease certain big global issues that they care about. Most of the time, though, this kind of work goes totally unnoticed by everyone else since they usually just do it quietly in the background.

Anyway, I guess the actual quality of the enlightenment itself is pretty much equal in both cases.

It doesn't just happen; I can see my own aura, and while it's white, it isn't perfectly pure—certain things are hard to clear out, like future illnesses or childhood complexes.

Gregory Jackson said:So, if you're basically declaring yourself enlightened, then I guess that means your whole journey toward enlightenment is pretty much wrapped up, right? I mean, we’ve definitely talked a ton about what enlightenment actually looks like, but honestly, there's just so much noise out there, so I figured I'd dig up one of my older posts where I was rambling on about those two different types of enlightenment. If any of that stuff resonates with you, or if you feel like you've already tapped into it, then maybe—just maybe—you've finally made it.

So, I was just sitting here thinking about it, and I guess there are basically three main things you really need to pull off reaching enlightenment, right? It’s kind of a big deal, I mean, it's everything, but if you break it down, it feels like there are these core requirements that just have to be met first...

I mean, I guess you could say it’s like being totally wrapped up in some kind of big, beautiful humanistic idea, you know? Like, just being completely devoted to that whole vibe of human potential and stuff. It’s a bit of a trip when you really think about it, maybe even a little overwhelming sometimes, but there's something just so incredibly uplifting about it all, I suppose.
So, I was just sitting here thinking about how we all struggle to get our nervous systems actually working the way they’re supposed to, you know? Like, reaching that state of perfect functioning where everything just flows... it feels like such a massive goal sometimes, I guess. It's kind of wild when you think about it, because our nerves are basically the electrical wiring for everything we do, and if that's off, everything else feels a little bit wonky, maybe. I feel like we spend so much time focusing on other stuff, but if you can just get that internal circuitry balanced out, life might actually feel a whole lot smoother, or at least that's my theory, anyway. It's a big undertaking, for sure, but man, imagine how much better things would be if we could just hit that sweet spot of total neurological harmony.
So, I was just sitting here thinking about how anyone can actually go about reaching those top-tier, like, totally wild paranormal and spiritual powers, you know? It’s kind of a trip when you really get into it, I guess, but there’s definitely a path toward tapping into that whole realm of high-level spiritual energy if you're looking for it.

I guess when you finally hit that point, a person's aura just becomes, like, perfectly pure or whatever. And honestly, I don't think you even have to be aware that this goal exists just to reach enlightenment; it’s kind of wild when you think about it. Like, so many different types of people—you've got your scientists, writers, artists, all those deep religious thinkers, and just general intellectuals—they’ve all reached enlightenment without ever even realizing there was such a thing. They just lived their lives, focusing on positive thoughts and doing good work, which eventually brought their aura into that pure state, and I suppose that's really the whole prerequisite for hitting enlightenment in the first place.

I mean, I guess you could say that when people actually hit that level of enlightenment, things start changing in a really, really massive way, you know? It’s not just some little tweak here or there, but like, a total overhaul of their entire existence, I suppose. Everything shifts.

I mean, if you look at it from a purely physical standpoint, it’s like your whole body just gets this massive surge of life, you know? Like, everything starts revitalizing all at once, and I guess you could say you actually start feeling younger again, which is pretty wild. Your physical capabilities just kind of skyrocket, and maybe even those nagging chronic issues you've been dealing with just sort of back off and disappear. You end up feeling totally tireless, almost like you have endless energy, and honestly, you probably won't even need more than two or three hours of sleep a night because you're just so wired and ready to go.
I guess you could say that from a purely psychic standpoint, you eventually hit this really calm, almost blissful headspace, mostly because all those irrational fears and constant worries just kind of evaporate when you start seeing things coming before they actually happen, which I suppose basically eliminates any chance of being caught off guard by anything at all.
So, when you start looking at how much someone's paranormal abilities can actually shift, man, the changes are honestly pretty massive, I guess. Like, once someone reaches enlightenment, they aren't just seeing things differently—they’re clearly seeing the past and the future all at once, and they can basically pinpoint exactly why someone is sick and what kind of energy work is needed to fix it. It’s wild. And then there’s all these different powers that pop up depending on what a person is naturally tuned into—you know, like reading minds, seeing stuff from miles away, telekinesis, even levitation, or just having this deep, intuitive grasp on how all energy works (though, to be fair, sometimes even the enlightened folks don't fully realize just how much they can actually do). I mean, if you think about it, the whole reason they have such incredible wisdom and insight is probably because they're constantly tapping into those continuous connections with spiritual beings and that big, unified field... you know, the Creator.
I mean, when you look at what they’re actually capable of doing, there really isn't anything that's beyond their grasp, I guess. Like, they basically have a handle on everything from a total mastery of how the human body works and the deep complexities of the psyche, all the way down to fixing massive economic headaches or figuring out how to scale up food production. They could probably even influence the masses in a good way, maybe boosting tolerance between different groups and nations, which would go a long way toward actually securing some peace in the world, if you know what I mean.

I guess the whole point of being an enlightened person—if you can even call it that, maybe I'm overthinking it—is really about making the absolute most of those new abilities you've picked up, you know? It’s like, once you see the light, you kind of have this duty to step up and help push human civilization forward, because at the end of the day, the ultimate goal has to be getting as many people as possible onto the path of the Creator. I mean, that's just how I see it, anyway. Because honestly, if we don't do that, then all the hope the Creator has for us, along with all that intense effort spiritual beings poured into a person to get them there, plus all our own hard work... well, it wouldn't really bear any fruit, would it? It would all just kind of go to waste, which would be a real shame.

I mean, I guess this kind of applies to that whole "mainstream" version of enlightenment that everyone seems to think is the only way to go, you know? Like, there's this one specific path people always point to and act like it’s the absolute gold standard, but honestly, it feels like such a narrow view of things if you really stop to think about it for a second.

So, I was just sitting here thinking about how there are basically two main ways or paths you can take toward enlightenment, and honestly, the whole thing really comes down to the specific route you decide to wander down. There’s that one path everyone seems to talk about all the time, you know? It's probably the most famous one, especially since it's what you see being pushed by all those Eastern religions and philosophical traditions over in Asia, where they basically frame it as the "correct" or standard way to reach that enlightened state.

So, I guess if you look at how they approach things, their whole path toward enlightenment is really more of an inward journey, right? It’s all about finding that deep spiritual peace, just being totally relaxed and blissful, and basically scrubbing away any negative thoughts or anything else that might mess with that inner quiet. Then, once you’ve got that peace, it kind of clears the way for this super pure aura and aligns your own thoughts with the will of the Creator, which I think is what finally opens the door to those high-level paranormal abilities. But here's the thing—it seems like when these enlightened folks use their intention or desire to manifest stuff, they're tapping into these spiritual energies that stay sort of tucked away in the background. It's almost like they're hidden from people who are just looking to grab some power for themselves without actually bothering to study the energy or the mechanics behind how it all works. So, in my opinion, it's like they were definitely utilizing certain effects or possibilities, but they weren't really "controlling" the energies in a technical sense, you know? They weren't exactly managing the flow or engaging in deep contact with the energies or testing out all their extra potential... they were just letting it happen.

So, there's this second kind of enlightenment, which I guess is actually pretty rare—maybe only happens in like 10% of cases? It’s this totally different vibe where you're just completely wide open to the universe and all those energy possibilities out there, which basically lets someone fully soak up and utilize every bit of energetic potential available. Usually, the folks who end up hitting this specific type of enlightenment are the ones who already have this deep thirst or a real affinity for exploring those kinds of phenomena.

The outward stuff you see with this version isn't quite as obvious as it is with the more common type, I suppose. For starters, you don't really get that total, perfect stillness or bliss—you know, that whole Nirvana thing—and some of those classic traits like reading minds or spontaneously seeing auras might be way more subtle or even missing entirely compared to the mainstream version. But then again, some things are super similar in both types, like how physical traits might gradually revert back to how a thirty-five-year-old looks, or just having this incredibly sharp grasp on economics, politics, or whatever science the person is actually into.

I mean, if there's a "better side" to this second type, it's probably the amazing potential for further growth because these people are so tuned into spiritual energies and they actually figure out how to use them—not just to grab power, but to help solve or ease certain big global issues that they care about. Most of the time, though, this kind of work goes totally unnoticed by everyone else since they usually just do it quietly in the background.

Anyway, I guess the actual quality of the enlightenment itself is pretty much equal in both cases.

I already wrote this: becoming enlightened is just a way to give yourself more work—work in every sense of the word.

As for these methods of enlightenment, they're just fairy tales; you can't reach enlightenment through specific techniques like meditation, fasting, or sleep deprivation. How is someone who withdraws from the world supposed to contribute to society? That’s exactly what priests and various monks do—they retreat to their dens and try to reach enlightenment through artificial means. The best way is simply to live as a saint, and that’s it; there is no other way. You can meditate for 50 years, but if your mind is broken, you aren't going to get enlightened.

Gregory Jackson, you would be better off stepping back from just one single system or method of enlightenment; you seem to have latched onto one specific view, which leads nowhere. Half the things that your guy Lubis—or whatever his name is—says are nonsense; he just makes stuff up to stay popular. For instance, you wrote in the thread about Tesla that his glowing body was on some mountain in Greece, but who actually proved that?
How much did Tesla actually say about the light body dispersing and shifting form after death? He wouldn't claim he’s just sitting around waiting at some specific GPS coordinate—that's not how it works. From my own experience, nothing in the paranormal realm is ever strictly tied to a fixed location, whether we're talking about light bodies, orbs, or whatever else. Based on what Ljubisa says, what does a dying person's light body even look like?[/i]

John Jones3 said:That’s what I said—the path of an enlightened person is endless; some things are simply worth chasing forever.

It doesn't just happen; I can see my own aura, and while it's white, it isn't perfectly pure—certain things are hard to clear out, like future illnesses or childhood complexes.

I already wrote this: becoming enlightened is just a way to give yourself more work—work in every sense of the word.

As for these methods of enlightenment, they're just fairy tales; you can't reach enlightenment through specific techniques like meditation, fasting, or sleep deprivation. How is someone who withdraws from the world supposed to contribute to society? That’s exactly what priests and various monks do—they retreat to their dens and try to reach enlightenment through artificial means. The best way is simply to live as a saint, and that’s it; there is no other way. You can meditate for 50 years, but if your mind is broken, you aren't going to get enlightened.

Gregory Jackson, you would be better off stepping back from just one single system or method of enlightenment; you seem to have latched onto one specific view, which leads nowhere. Half the things that your guy Lubis—or whatever his name is—says are nonsense; he just makes stuff up to stay popular. For instance, you wrote in the thread about Tesla that his glowing body was on some mountain in Greece, but who actually proved that?
How much did Tesla actually say about the light body dispersing and shifting form after death? He wouldn't claim he’s just sitting around waiting at some specific GPS coordinate—that's not how it works. From my own experience, nothing in the paranormal realm is ever strictly tied to a fixed location, whether we're talking about light bodies, orbs, or whatever else. Based on what Ljubisa says, what does a dying person's light body even look like?[/i]

It's true that character acts as a limit. Someone with a solid character basically has no ceiling when it comes to growth.

I kind of feel like you're being a bit fake here, like maybe you haven't actually reached enlightenment and it's more of a wishful thought, if I'm being totally blunt. An enlightened person wouldn't really have the time to hang out on a forum, right? And that whole idea of "just living like a saint" is actually the hardest part and is what leads to enlightenment. That's pretty much the whole spiritual story—how do you actually "live like a saint," and what does that even mean? Saying it that way makes it sound like a total piece of cake, which it definitely isn't. If it were that easy, why wouldn't we all be enlightened by now? Also, I guess there are multiple paths that lead to those two types of states, but there are as many paths as there are people. Neither Ljubisa nor Daskalos nor Jesus nor Muhammad can go on the journey for us, and there are so many wrong turns that anyone can take, even an enlightened person.

Now, meditation isn't some artificial path to enlightenment if you actually understand what meditation is and what's happening during it and why you're doing it in the first place. For example, a bunch of hermits in Kajlas's caves reached enlightenment without ever stepping foot outside. Who knows how many people in monasteries or other kinds of isolation have done the same throughout history. I think you might be mixing up what happens *after* enlightenment. Once you're there, staying isolated would be a huge mistake, but I don't want to get too carried away rambling about that again. An enlightened person needs to use their new abilities to help humanity. Otherwise, they just end up cycling back into society with all the incarnated folks...

John Jones3 said:That’s what I said—the path of an enlightened person is endless; some things are simply worth chasing forever.

It doesn't just happen; I can see my own aura, and while it's white, it isn't perfectly pure—certain things are hard to clear out, like future illnesses or childhood complexes.

I already wrote this: becoming enlightened is just a way to give yourself more work—work in every sense of the word.

As for these methods of enlightenment, they're just fairy tales; you can't reach enlightenment through specific techniques like meditation, fasting, or sleep deprivation. How is someone who withdraws from the world supposed to contribute to society? That’s exactly what priests and various monks do—they retreat to their dens and try to reach enlightenment through artificial means. The best way is simply to live as a saint, and that’s it; there is no other way. You can meditate for 50 years, but if your mind is broken, you aren't going to get enlightened.

Gregory Jackson, you would be better off stepping back from just one single system or method of enlightenment; you seem to have latched onto one specific view, which leads nowhere. Half the things that your guy Lubis—or whatever his name is—says are nonsense; he just makes stuff up to stay popular. For instance, you wrote in the thread about Tesla that his glowing body was on some mountain in Greece, but who actually proved that?
How much did Tesla actually say about the light body dispersing and shifting form after death? He wouldn't claim he’s just sitting around waiting at some specific GPS coordinate—that's not how it works. From my own experience, nothing in the paranormal realm is ever strictly tied to a fixed location, whether we're talking about light bodies, orbs, or whatever else. Based on what Ljubisa says, what does a dying person's light body even look like?[/i]

I suppose anyone striving for enlightenment can't really walk five different paths at once. You really need one main path, and I personally have maybe two or three secondary ones that just help clear the way for the primary one. I mean, I like having extra paths too, but then you end up like a guy digging shallow wells in ten different states and never actually finding water. I've gone into detail before about this "single system" thing and the experiences you gain, but I'll just keep it brief for now, though I know what I'm talking about. Connecting with energies is a pretty normal thing for you and anyone else pursuing spiritual growth, even if people aren't really aware of it. So, what's wrong with shedding light on it and knowing what you're doing, even if you only sort of know where it's leading? When you study Daskalos and Barbara Brennan and so many others, you see a ton of the same elements that Stojanovic discovered too; it's just that the methodology and the terminology are a bit different.

So, I’m basically saying this again, because it feels like it bears repeating, I guess. When someone truly reaches that peak level of enlightenment—you know, when you’ve fully developed that luminous body, or if you’re more into the mystical side of things, you might call it the "higher self"—that’s when consciousness actually transfers into this indestructible energetic structure. It’s essentially what all those religions have been trying to tell us about achieving "eternal life," though they frame it a bit differently, maybe. Now, these specific types of bodies, or conscious structures, tend to cluster around certain "power spots" across the US, and there are maybe a hundred of them or so. I think I actually did a whole long-winded post about this a while back, but yeah, we're talking places like Mount Shasta, the Vatican, Westminster Abbey over in London, the Hagia Sophia, or even Aphrodite's Beach... well, let's just say iconic sites like those. There are only a handful of these major hubs in the Western world, really. I’ve personally made the trip to most of them quite a few times, except for that one beach spot. The thing is, if you’ve actually put in the work and gotten spiritually fit, you won't have any trouble when you visit these places; you'll be able to pick up on the energetic shifts, and honestly, you might even actually see the energy moving around, if you catch my drift. You’ll probably notice that in the days following a visit, everything just feels... different. Like, your spiritual practices start clicking better, and your meditations get way deeper, too. At that point, you won't even need someone like Ljubisa to come along and explain things to you, you know?

So, when you go around asking "who actually proved that," I kind of wonder how you go about proving things to yourself, you know? Like, how do you validate what you’re seeing and feeling deep down? I mean, I guess it should be pretty obvious that you can't exactly use material evidence to prove the spiritual dimension, right? It's not like you can grab a piece of it and put it under a microscope. It’s more about witnessing energies, having these experiences that probably have endless variations, and just feeling that steady progress in your own spiritual practice as you try to, I don't know, live a life more aligned with saintly values. The whole path toward enlightenment through working with energy is such a unique journey—kind of like what you noticed in that other post—where certain laws start to reveal themselves while others just get totally demystified along the way.

I guess you could say that Tesla isn't just sitting around waiting, you know? He’s more like this spiritual entity now—or maybe even a universal body—that can basically reach out and talk to whoever he wants, whenever he feels like it. It’s kind of like how other massive enlightened figures operated, too. I mean, most people don't have a clue about this stuff because, honestly, to even pull off those kinds of connections, you have to be incredibly spiritually advanced, and you really need to establish contact with your own universal body first. There were tons of enlightened souls back in the day who probably had this ability to communicate with different planes of existence, but they might not have even realized it was an option, or maybe their interests were just focused on totally different things altogether.

So, there’s this one weird exception, though I guess it’s hard to say exactly why, but Plato isn't actually hanging out where all the heavy hitters and power players usually congregate; instead, he's just chilling near the amphitheater in that ancient city of Dion right at the foot of Mount Olympus. He actually lived there for a stretch of time, and now, well, it’s all just archaeological ruins and stuff, which is kind of wild when you think about it. It’s funny because he always had this knack for isolating himself from everyone else while he was still around, and honestly, it seems like even now, he’s still doing the exact same thing. 🙂

So, I’ve got this one totally wild story involving Tesla and Stojanovic that I just have to share, because it’s honestly kind of mind-blowing if you think about it for a second. There was this group of people practicing this specific system who actually stumbled upon these free-floating energy bodies out in some small rural town near Asheville, North Carolina—there were about eighteen of them, which isn't exactly a massive power center, but more like a specialized hub for a very specific purpose, I guess. Anyway, after one of Stojanovic's lectures, a few of them approached him and were like, "Hey, Ljubisa, we really need to talk to you about something serious." But instead of jumping right into it, he just holds up a hand and tells them to hang on a sec because he wants to play a recording first. He hits play on his dictaphone, and suddenly, they hear Stojanovic's own voice saying, "Today, a group of your seminar students will come to report a discovery..." It was wild! These guys were absolutely floored, just completely caught off guard. You see, back then, Stojanovic was basically in constant communication with Tesla through deep meditation—which, honestly, is just one more reason why meditation is such a big deal—and he was coming back from those deep, low brainwave states and just saying things out loud so he could record them later. So, technically, those were actually Tesla's words coming through. He eventually ended up writing that whole book, *Conversations with Tesla*, back in 2004, and ever since then, that little area around Asheville has become this soft spot for people who just know how much this practice helps them.

John Jones3 said:That’s what I said—the path of an enlightened person is endless; some things are simply worth chasing forever.

It doesn't just happen; I can see my own aura, and while it's white, it isn't perfectly pure—certain things are hard to clear out, like future illnesses or childhood complexes.

I already wrote this: becoming enlightened is just a way to give yourself more work—work in every sense of the word.

As for these methods of enlightenment, they're just fairy tales; you can't reach enlightenment through specific techniques like meditation, fasting, or sleep deprivation. How is someone who withdraws from the world supposed to contribute to society? That’s exactly what priests and various monks do—they retreat to their dens and try to reach enlightenment through artificial means. The best way is simply to live as a saint, and that’s it; there is no other way. You can meditate for 50 years, but if your mind is broken, you aren't going to get enlightened.

Gregory Jackson, you would be better off stepping back from just one single system or method of enlightenment; you seem to have latched onto one specific view, which leads nowhere. Half the things that your guy Lubis—or whatever his name is—says are nonsense; he just makes stuff up to stay popular. For instance, you wrote in the thread about Tesla that his glowing body was on some mountain in Greece, but who actually proved that?
How much did Tesla actually say about the light body dispersing and shifting form after death? He wouldn't claim he’s just sitting around waiting at some specific GPS coordinate—that's not how it works. From my own experience, nothing in the paranormal realm is ever strictly tied to a fixed location, whether we're talking about light bodies, orbs, or whatever else. Based on what Ljubisa says, what does a dying person's light body even look like?[/i]

So, the subtle body, both before you pass away and after, basically looks like this:

And honestly, it’s just superintelligent. I guess you could think of it as your third parent. It’s the thing that handles all those overflows, it’s responsible for your intuition, and it keeps track of everything from your previous lives, too. It kind of manages your karma and carries out your entire genetic program from the moment you're a baby until the day you die... just a really cool entity, I suppose...

And it’s totally true that nothing is limited by space, even if it isn't necessarily defined by it. I mean, there are specific places where things are located, but most of the time, that stuff can communicate without being stuck by spatial limits. You might want to look at those places as this massive external support system provided by the Creator to everyone.

Look, I’ll tell you right now—the light body of a deceased person doesn't look like that picture; it's more like a diminished orb rather than a full aura. And you're calling me a fraud? Fine, whatever—leave it at that. While we're on the subject, have you ever actually seen a "dead man" like that yourself? You don't even need to answer—it's a rhetorical question and I already know the
answer.
As for those glowing bodies clustered in certain locations, you can just chalk that up to the fairy tales told by Lubis. Those places only carry any energetic weight because people have been gathering there to pray for years.
And sure, maybe living like a saint is hard for some—and I say "some" because someone could hit enlightenment at 19 without reading a single book on the subject, while others spend years talking nonsense and stay stuck at the exact same spiritual level.

Also, how do you think an enlightened person wouldn't have time to be on a forum? You'd have to be an alien if you thought enlightenment meant being gone from the world. Even enlightened people make mistakes and take wrong turns—so they can certainly be on a forum discussing how they aren't actually enlightened. It seems nobody here is willing to accept anyone who honestly claims to be.

John Jones3 said:Look, I’ll tell you right now—the light body of a deceased person doesn't look like that picture; it's more like a diminished orb rather than a full aura. And you're calling me a fraud? Fine, whatever—leave it at that. While we're on the subject, have you ever actually seen a "dead man" like that yourself? You don't even need to answer—it's a rhetorical question and I already know the
answer.
As for those glowing bodies clustered in certain locations, you can just chalk that up to the fairy tales told by Lubis. Those places only carry any energetic weight because people have been gathering there to pray for years.
And sure, maybe living like a saint is hard for some—and I say "some" because someone could hit enlightenment at 19 without reading a single book on the subject, while others spend years talking nonsense and stay stuck at the exact same spiritual level.

Also, how do you think an enlightened person wouldn't have time to be on a forum? You'd have to be an alien if you thought enlightenment meant being gone from the world. Even enlightened people make mistakes and take wrong turns—so they can certainly be on a forum discussing how they aren't actually enlightened. It seems nobody here is willing to accept anyone who honestly claims to be.

So, I guess I didn't actually give you the whole story, did I? There were really two different threads going on about this, but you're trying to squeeze everything into one single post, which is probably a bit much, I suppose. Anyway, the thing is, a celestial body is its own thing—we're talking these massive, spherical shapes glowing with this intense golden-yellow light that could be absolutely enormous, like, impossibly huge. Meanwhile, us folks who are still stuck in the middle of an incarnation, we range from being tiny little specks to maybe six feet tall, and honestly, I feel like that physical scale is actually a pretty decent way to tell how much someone has grown spiritually, if that makes any sense.

So, it might feel that way to some people, but I guess we aren't actually a single unified body or anything like that. If we don't reach enlightenment, then once we pass away, things just kind of branch off in different directions, maybe? Like, if someone dies without ever really waking up spiritually, they don't exactly transition into a collective body that moves on to take over a new life or whatever—it’s more like their consciousness just keeps drifting within this specific slice of the aura that doesn't break down. It’s made of this what you might call white bioenergy, which I think makes up about 10% of the whole aura structure. We end up heading off into these specific zones, sort of energetic realms or something, but the tricky part is that you aren't living forever, even though you live for a really, really long time. Those orbs people claim to see? Well, those are probably just those "souls" of the departed or some other weird energetic phenomena, and honestly, there's a ton of that stuff out there. I mean, only the truly enlightened ones who have managed to fully develop themselves get to move forward into that collective body to live eternally.

So, I see you’re really getting into that whole seeing orbs and all that mystical stuff, which is cool, I guess. Honestly, I’ve had my own brushes with energy too—like that one time I saw this super vivid screen of symbols just floating right in front of my eyes and everything. But, if I’m being totally real with you, I kind of view those things as minor distractions, you know? Like, they aren't bad or anything, but they can sort of pull you away from the actual goal, which is reaching true enlightenment. To me, being able to feel energetic shifts is more like a little nudge or a confirmation that you're actually heading in the right direction rather than some massive, life-changing milestone, since anyone can pretty much tap into that if they put in a bit of practice. It's kind of like when you try out some deep meditative breathing or those rhythmic spiritual exercises you might find in a yoga studio in San Francisco; you don't really sit there wondering if Ljubisa or some other guy made the whole thing up, because once you're in the zone, your body just takes over, and your hands and feet start moving to their own rhythm while you're caught in this huge, overwhelming fountain of energy. At the end of the day, I totally agree with you that your own personal experience is the only thing that really matters.

John Jones3 said:Look, I’ll tell you right now—the light body of a deceased person doesn't look like that picture; it's more like a diminished orb rather than a full aura. And you're calling me a fraud? Fine, whatever—leave it at that. While we're on the subject, have you ever actually seen a "dead man" like that yourself? You don't even need to answer—it's a rhetorical question and I already know the
answer.
As for those glowing bodies clustered in certain locations, you can just chalk that up to the fairy tales told by Lubis. Those places only carry any energetic weight because people have been gathering there to pray for years.
And sure, maybe living like a saint is hard for some—and I say "some" because someone could hit enlightenment at 19 without reading a single book on the subject, while others spend years talking nonsense and stay stuck at the exact same spiritual level.

Also, how do you think an enlightened person wouldn't have time to be on a forum? You'd have to be an alien if you thought enlightenment meant being gone from the world. Even enlightened people make mistakes and take wrong turns—so they can certainly be on a forum discussing how they aren't actually enlightened. It seems nobody here is willing to accept anyone who honestly claims to be.

So, that’s exactly what I’m getting at here. You’re out here claiming to be all enlightened and stuff, but honestly, you seem pretty worked up and ego-driven to me, which is kind of funny, I guess. If we actually went by those standards of yours, half the people hanging out on this forum would be considered fully awakened, wouldn't they? Maybe. It just seems like a bit much, you know?

So, I personally know three enlightened souls and maybe one guy who’s getting pretty close, I guess. There are really only three of them, even though I know a huge crowd of people who dabble in spirituality. Some actually do the work, while others just kind of... pretend to "do" it, if you know what I mean. Back in my younger days, I was definitely one of those people who was just "playing" at it. Believe me, none of the real ones have the spare time to even lift their heads from all their spiritual and worldly responsibilities, let alone spend their days trying to convince strangers on some internet forum that they’re enlightened and checking all the boxes. And honestly, none of them would ever go around calling themselves enlightened. You can just tell by their abilities and that sense of purity they carry—you know, judging by the fruits of their labor and all that. They don't exactly jump out at you, either; you might only catch a glimpse of how different they are when you're actually hanging out with them, but even then, you’d probably just chalk it up to their personality rather than enlightenment. I think the sooner someone shakes off the delusion of proclaiming themselves enlightened, the faster they’ll actually progress. Because once you think you’ve hit the finish line, there’s nowhere left to go.

The road to enlightenment is a long one, and we're talking decades here. Sure, there might be exceptions where someone hits a temporary state of enlightenment, but that’s super rare and usually gets mixed up with just having a sudden insight or a momentary understanding of the nature of reality—after which you just sink back into the darkness again.

Places of power are often churches or temples, but honestly, they aren't always. Places like Sedona that have small elements of power are often just ordinary fields. Like, Aphrodite's beach is just a beach, there isn't anything special around it, and the pyramids near Giza aren't religious sites, yet they still have all those energy fields. Even the old airport in Bangkok isn't a religious site, but it is a Major Manifestation point. These MM points have three specific, incredibly strong energy fields that set them apart from places like Sedona.
It’s true that churches are energetically powerful because of the prayers of the believers, but an inexperienced person shouldn't confuse that with a true place of power. Right now, I know about a dozen people across several different cities who are following this path and are able to observe energy and energy fields with extreme precision. When their visions align and match up with a specific feeling of energetic activity, well, there’s just no arguing with it, not even Ljubisa could say otherwise. I even met this group of intense people from a city like Nashville who create an energy field right in the middle of downtown through prayer. It’s still a bit small and undeveloped for now, but who knows where it’ll be in twenty years or so.

Well, you're enlightened, so you'll be the one to know what's what; I certainly won't be the one trying to convince you of anything, heaven forbid!

Look, I’ve always maintained that enlightenment is a lifelong journey—I never claimed to be "done" with self-work. The core markers of enlightenment are present in my life, and that’s all I’m saying. Nothing more, nothing less. 👍

Am I actually allowed to become enlightened? 😁

fadedskipper52 said:Am I actually allowed to become enlightened? 😁

Oh, come on, I'm sure the Immortal will let you through. Honestly, though, am I really going to be the only unilluminated person left on this whole forum!?

John Jones3 said:Look, I’ve always maintained that enlightenment is a lifelong journey—I never claimed to be "done" with self-work. The core markers of enlightenment are present in my life, and that’s all I’m saying. Nothing more, nothing less. 👍

Well, okay, I guess those are just signs of significant spiritual growth, whereas enlightenment is more like the (almost) absolute peak of that whole process. And if you ask me, this entire conversation isn't even about actual enlightenment, it's more about the idea of being enlightened, but hey, I guess we kind of wandered off track...

Gregory Jackson said:Oh, come on, I'm sure the Immortal will let you through. Honestly, though, am I really going to be the only unilluminated person left on this whole forum!?

Who can blame you while you're still on your journey?😍

Grandma says, "As you think, so you become." So, isn't it better to just believe you are enlightened?

Gregory Jackson said:Oh, come on, I'm sure the Immortal will let you through. Honestly, though, am I really going to be the only unilluminated person left on this whole forum!?

So, I hear some blind guy claiming you need a permit for enlightenment—so apparently, you’re officially enlightened on this forum now. But seriously, how do we actually measure that? Is enlightenment just a scale where your light body hits 70%, 80%, or 90%? And what happens to the folks who hit 99%—does the Creator just look the other way for that final 1%?

Look, I’m not kidding—I see auras, I "communicate" with orbs, and I frequently feel my heart chakra overflowing with love. I move through life acting out of pure compassion toward everything and everyone. Sometimes I’ll just hug a pillow, thinking about how we are all One—how this random pillow is neither more nor less significant than I am—and I’ll just pour myself into it until my heart is full again. So, how do I know if I've actually reached enlightenment? I'd say I have. As for whether my light body has expanded by 80% or 90%, I'll leave that to the experts—though I highly doubt spirituality can be quantified, much like trying to map spiritual growth on a graph the way Mr. Ljubo stojka does.

I think that claim—that enlightenment marks the near end of development—is pretty much a joke. Almost.The hard part is still ahead once you start mastering those spiritual powers—they have a nasty habit of sabotaging you.