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Thomas Davis6 Thomas Davis6 Member
32 messages
joined Aug 2010
#161 ·
Jamie Jackson3 said:🙂 And I am telling you once more, it is off-topic. The focus was on quantity and pregnancy, not on social standing or respect. Everything else is merely a figment of your imagination. I have clearly stated multiple times that everything would be perfect if those two factors were removed from the equation. Perhaps try reading carefully before launching an attack.😉
My original opening post, which touches upon various points within a broader social context, includes certain generalizations where women are often the victims—such as stereotypes about driving skills or being less productive at work, or receiving less deference when serving as executives (which doesn't mean they aren't respected eventually, just that they have to prove themselves harder due to a disadvantaged starting position). However, I presented all of this satirically as a reason why being a man might be easier in our society; it was never intended as a definitive list of insurmountable struggles inherent to being a woman. I assumed my readers possessed enough intelligence to discern what I meant by "I want more respect." For me, dear, that means wanting an equal playing field and fewer prejudices. You, in a typically feminine fashion, have over-dramatized the whole thing—likely compounded by some hormonal fluctuations😁—and now you're having these outbursts. If you had the patience to actually read my posts, you wouldn't be talking such nonsense. Or perhaps you have personal issues that cause you to take my writing so personally and obsessively bring up the topic of respect. I suggest you resolve your respect issues privately, as it is quite evident you have a struggle there. I write realistically, highlighting the challenges most women lack the courage to confront and instead suppress (much like yourself).
Try looking at the situation with a bit of objectivity rather than interpreting my words so literally and shallowly. Once again, I maintain that your stance on respect is irrelevant here, as this debate centered on biological differences rather than sociological ones.
And that little mantra of yours, "respect yourself...", is lovely bedtime material.
You failed to impress me with that mantra and cheap psychology, but you did succeed in opening my eyes to one specific disadvantage of being a man: you can marry a woman like you, who creates drama out of nothing simply because she is too lazy to read and reflect.
PS: Everything I previously wrote regarding "every little thing" still stands. Look at the thread title and search for "EVERY little thing," and you will see that I am not complaining about every minor grievance—and these certainly aren't minor grievances. At least in my view, these matters are significant... and most women accepted my list without issue, except for a few prudes who dismissed them as nonsense (though I have no idea what they consider significant)...

Look, honey, I think you’re missing the point of what Ethan Thomas13 and I are actually trying to say here. It’s pretty simple: if you’ve got enough mental grit and actual character—if you’re a fully realized person—you aren't going to wish you were someone else just because you're dealing with some intense period cramps. Like, I had this killer toothache hit me last night, right? But even then, I wasn't sitting there wishing I was some other person with perfect teeth. I just wanted the pain to stop so I could pop two Advil and move on. You get what I'm getting at? If you're worried about periods or pregnancy, just handle it. If the period is too much, take some pills—adjust the dosage based on how bad it hurts, whatever. And as for pregnancy? You have a choice. If you don't want to deal with morning sickness or all that other stuff, you just decide not to have a kid. That's really it.
I honestly, I think you went way too far with those generalizations. A few points you made just make it seem like you're way too dependent on what other people think. Like, you mentioned how a man can keep his last name without being judged by society... but someone that obsessed with public opinion is never actually going to feel satisfied or truly free. I mean, who’s actually stopping you from keeping your own name if that’s what you really want? Society? Please. A normal society has actual problems to deal with; they aren't sitting around obsessing over trivial stuff that doesn't even matter. Even if someone does have an opinion, you're the boss of your own life and your own choices—and you can only really be happy if you act like it. And if you're strong enough, you wouldn't use some biological "limitations" (as you put it) as an excuse to rather be a man. To a woman who's actually figured herself out, that stuff is nothing compared to the happiness of just fully embracing her femininity. Get it? 😁
Jamie Jackson3 Jamie Jackson3 Member
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joined Jul 2010
#162 ·
Thomas Davis6 said:Look, honey, I think you’re missing the point of what Ethan Thomas13 and I are actually trying to say here. It’s pretty simple: if you’ve got enough mental grit and actual character—if you’re a fully realized person—you aren't going to wish you were someone else just because you're dealing with some intense period cramps. Like, I had this killer toothache hit me last night, right? But even then, I wasn't sitting there wishing I was some other person with perfect teeth. I just wanted the pain to stop so I could pop two Advil and move on. You get what I'm getting at? If you're worried about periods or pregnancy, just handle it. If the period is too much, take some pills—adjust the dosage based on how bad it hurts, whatever. And as for pregnancy? You have a choice. If you don't want to deal with morning sickness or all that other stuff, you just decide not to have a kid. That's really it.
I honestly, I think you went way too far with those generalizations. A few points you made just make it seem like you're way too dependent on what other people think. Like, you mentioned how a man can keep his last name without being judged by society... but someone that obsessed with public opinion is never actually going to feel satisfied or truly free. I mean, who’s actually stopping you from keeping your own name if that’s what you really want? Society? Please. A normal society has actual problems to deal with; they aren't sitting around obsessing over trivial stuff that doesn't even matter. Even if someone does have an opinion, you're the boss of your own life and your own choices—and you can only really be happy if you act like it. And if you're strong enough, you wouldn't use some biological "limitations" (as you put it) as an excuse to rather be a man. To a woman who's actually figured herself out, that stuff is nothing compared to the happiness of just fully embracing her femininity. Get it? 😁

You are dramatizing again instead of actually READING the thread from the beginning—reading ALL the posts (not just mine) to understand the CORE. We are discussing things REALISTICALLY, including the shortcomings and the reasons why one might want to be male for a day, a week, a month, or forever. You seem to have some serious issues since this affects you so deeply. However, I have little desire to explain myself to someone who REFUSES to understand. But fine, I will write this one last time; if you continue to pretend you don't get it and insist on your own way, so be it—I am not here to re-educate you. Let us proceed methodically.

and that is it, that if you are sufficiently strong in head and character, if you are a developed personyou WON'T desire to be someone else even when you are gripped by the most intense menstrual cramps..

I have never met a girl or a woman who has wished for that even a hundred times due to minor pains or trivialities. The comparison to toothaches also fails to hold water; when you have a toothache, you think, "Why don't I have healthy teeth like Henry Williams? I should have taken better care of them earlier, and now it hurts." And if we are going to extremes, let's consider someone paralyzed after a car accident or suffering from a tumor... by your logic, that person should never wish they could run or jump like their healthy friends, because that would show weakness?? Your definition of weakness is entirely flawed. Do work on that.

If menstruation and pregnancy bother you, then manage the period with pills—adjust the dosage based on your pain level—and as for pregnancy, YOU HAVE A CHOICE. If you don't want to endure the physical discomfort and the leakage, simply decide NOT to have a child, and that is that.

Menstruation is a vulnerability and a drawback, as no pill can help you feel completely normal; it can only dull the pain. It cannot fix the bleeding, the mood swings, the bloating, or the lack of focus (unless you intend to claim you are a "superwoman" who feels nothing). And regarding pregnancy, I DO NOT have a choice if I want to be a MOTHER and the mother of MY OWN child. Whereas men CAN achieve this WITHOUT pregnancy. Is that clear? Therefore, there is nothing wrong with saying it is EASIER and PAINLESS for men to have children because it is handed to them ready-made. That isn't a sign of weakness; it is a REALITY that you are RUNNING FROM.

I believe you’ve strayed quite far from the mark with your generalizations. Honestly, a few of your points only serve to confirm that you are far too dependent on external validation. For instance, you claim that when one is a man, they can retain their surname without facing societal judgment—as if being overly preoccupied with public opinion prevents someone from ever being truly satisfied, self-aware, or free. I have to ask: who exactly is stopping you from keeping your own name if that is what you truly desire? Society? Please. A functional society has much more pressing matters to attend to than trivialities like this. Even if someone were to offer a critique, you remain the master of your own decisions and your own life. Only by embracing that agency can one find true contentment.

Everything I wrote stands. It is all accurate, particularly regarding the surname issue. You really ought to learn how to read. Nowhere did I suggest it is impossible to keep one's maiden name while ignoring outside opinions; rather, my point was that men simply do not face these specific dilemmas or indecision in the first place. So, whether you possess self-awareness—which, judging by your tone, you clearly lack, otherwise this truth wouldn't sting so much—or you don't, a man will never encounter these particular struggles. It isn't a matter of being a "self-aware" man or not.

Furthermore, if a woman is sufficiently empowered, she won't use certain biological "limitations," as you call them, as a justification for preferring to be male. For a truly grounded woman, such things are insignificant trifles compared to the fulfillment found in embracing her femininity to its fullest extent.

Biological constraints, when coupled with social ones, are the only actual limitations and the sole reasons why being male might be easier. If you strip those away, there are no other reasons left. The fact that a woman might be strong or self-assured, or possesses everything you listed, doesn't change the reality that it would be easier for her if she had been born into a male-dominated environment. That is the subject of this discussion. We aren't talking about invincible, unstoppable women capable of saving Private Ryan; we are discussing the inherent feminine limitations that provide reasons why someone might prefer to be male on a daily, weekly, monthly, or permanent basis.
What you rambled about regarding the "truly grounded woman" belongs in a different thread. I assume even you realize that. But we can take it offline if you like. Allow me to enlighten you: a truly grounded woman who embraces her femininity does not undergo unnecessary breast augmentations, does not exploit herself, does not dress provocatively just to seek attention, does not loathe her cellulite, does not get lip fillers, does not obsess over halting the aging process, does not gossip about her friends, does not pry into the neighbor's yard, and focuses on her own life. She wears her age gracefully, dresses appropriately for any occasion—from sweatpants to evening gowns—knows how to dress well, doesn't judge others, and carries no complexes... should I continue?

In my view, a woman who argues that being male is preferable due to real, tangible constraints isn't struggling with self-awareness or femininity. Rather, the struggle lies with the woman who engages in the behaviors I just mentioned—the one who hates her body, starves herself, views marriage solely as a financial transaction, and sees other women as threats. A woman who acknowledges her limitations is a real woman, unlike the one who poisons herself with pills and pretends that a menstrual cycle isn't a limitation. She plays at being "strong" while hating her own cellulite, spending half the day grooming herself just to mimic someone else.

Do you see now how much you and your cohort have missed the point? What you are discussing has nothing to do with this topic. If you feel such a desperate need to share your theories on "strong women," I suggest you start with high schools or middle schools. That is where the future "strong" women are molded—those who swallow painkillers, birth control, and all sorts of other toxins (pills are essentially poison, by the way) while rotting away on the inside.

By the way, the only thing I took away from your post is that you don't understand anything at all, and certainly that what you are saying is irrelevant to this discussion.☕
The only thing I would hope you grasp from my words is that acknowledging the truth and reality is not a sign of weakness; it is a sign of strength.
Those who flee from the truth are the weak ones, hiding behind hollow platitudes about "strong women." I suggest that next time you step outside, you try looking for actual strong women... you might just find one.
You are far too entrenched in your own little dogmas to ever concede that I am correct, even though deep down, you know I am.
Thomas Davis6 Thomas Davis6 Member
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joined Aug 2010
#163 ·
Jamie Jackson3 said:You are dramatizing again instead of actually READING the thread from the beginning—reading ALL the posts (not just mine) to understand the CORE. We are discussing things REALISTICALLY, including the shortcomings and the reasons why one might want to be male for a day, a week, a month, or forever. You seem to have some serious issues since this affects you so deeply. However, I have little desire to explain myself to someone who REFUSES to understand. But fine, I will write this one last time; if you continue to pretend you don't get it and insist on your own way, so be it—I am not here to re-educate you. Let us proceed methodically.

and that is it, that if you are sufficiently strong in head and character, if you are a developed personyou WON'T desire to be someone else even when you are gripped by the most intense menstrual cramps..

I have never met a girl or a woman who has wished for that even a hundred times due to minor pains or trivialities. The comparison to toothaches also fails to hold water; when you have a toothache, you think, "Why don't I have healthy teeth like Henry Williams? I should have taken better care of them earlier, and now it hurts." And if we are going to extremes, let's consider someone paralyzed after a car accident or suffering from a tumor... by your logic, that person should never wish they could run or jump like their healthy friends, because that would show weakness?? Your definition of weakness is entirely flawed. Do work on that.

If menstruation and pregnancy bother you, then manage the period with pills—adjust the dosage based on your pain level—and as for pregnancy, YOU HAVE A CHOICE. If you don't want to endure the physical discomfort and the leakage, simply decide NOT to have a child, and that is that.

Menstruation is a vulnerability and a drawback, as no pill can help you feel completely normal; it can only dull the pain. It cannot fix the bleeding, the mood swings, the bloating, or the lack of focus (unless you intend to claim you are a "superwoman" who feels nothing). And regarding pregnancy, I DO NOT have a choice if I want to be a MOTHER and the mother of MY OWN child. Whereas men CAN achieve this WITHOUT pregnancy. Is that clear? Therefore, there is nothing wrong with saying it is EASIER and PAINLESS for men to have children because it is handed to them ready-made. That isn't a sign of weakness; it is a REALITY that you are RUNNING FROM.

I believe you’ve strayed quite far from the mark with your generalizations. Honestly, a few of your points only serve to confirm that you are far too dependent on external validation. For instance, you claim that when one is a man, they can retain their surname without facing societal judgment—as if being overly preoccupied with public opinion prevents someone from ever being truly satisfied, self-aware, or free. I have to ask: who exactly is stopping you from keeping your own name if that is what you truly desire? Society? Please. A functional society has much more pressing matters to attend to than trivialities like this. Even if someone were to offer a critique, you remain the master of your own decisions and your own life. Only by embracing that agency can one find true contentment.

Everything I wrote stands. It is all accurate, particularly regarding the surname issue. You really ought to learn how to read. Nowhere did I suggest it is impossible to keep one's maiden name while ignoring outside opinions; rather, my point was that men simply do not face these specific dilemmas or indecision in the first place. So, whether you possess self-awareness—which, judging by your tone, you clearly lack, otherwise this truth wouldn't sting so much—or you don't, a man will never encounter these particular struggles. It isn't a matter of being a "self-aware" man or not.

Furthermore, if a woman is sufficiently empowered, she won't use certain biological "limitations," as you call them, as a justification for preferring to be male. For a truly grounded woman, such things are insignificant trifles compared to the fulfillment found in embracing her femininity to its fullest extent.

Biological constraints, when coupled with social ones, are the only actual limitations and the sole reasons why being male might be easier. If you strip those away, there are no other reasons left. The fact that a woman might be strong or self-assured, or possesses everything you listed, doesn't change the reality that it would be easier for her if she had been born into a male-dominated environment. That is the subject of this discussion. We aren't talking about invincible, unstoppable women capable of saving Private Ryan; we are discussing the inherent feminine limitations that provide reasons why someone might prefer to be male on a daily, weekly, monthly, or permanent basis.
What you rambled about regarding the "truly grounded woman" belongs in a different thread. I assume even you realize that. But we can take it offline if you like. Allow me to enlighten you: a truly grounded woman who embraces her femininity does not undergo unnecessary breast augmentations, does not exploit herself, does not dress provocatively just to seek attention, does not loathe her cellulite, does not get lip fillers, does not obsess over halting the aging process, does not gossip about her friends, does not pry into the neighbor's yard, and focuses on her own life. She wears her age gracefully, dresses appropriately for any occasion—from sweatpants to evening gowns—knows how to dress well, doesn't judge others, and carries no complexes... should I continue?

In my view, a woman who argues that being male is preferable due to real, tangible constraints isn't struggling with self-awareness or femininity. Rather, the struggle lies with the woman who engages in the behaviors I just mentioned—the one who hates her body, starves herself, views marriage solely as a financial transaction, and sees other women as threats. A woman who acknowledges her limitations is a real woman, unlike the one who poisons herself with pills and pretends that a menstrual cycle isn't a limitation. She plays at being "strong" while hating her own cellulite, spending half the day grooming herself just to mimic someone else.

Do you see now how much you and your cohort have missed the point? What you are discussing has nothing to do with this topic. If you feel such a desperate need to share your theories on "strong women," I suggest you start with high schools or middle schools. That is where the future "strong" women are molded—those who swallow painkillers, birth control, and all sorts of other toxins (pills are essentially poison, by the way) while rotting away on the inside.

By the way, the only thing I took away from your post is that you don't understand anything at all, and certainly that what you are saying is irrelevant to this discussion.☕
The only thing I would hope you grasp from my words is that acknowledging the truth and reality is not a sign of weakness; it is a sign of strength.
Those who flee from the truth are the weak ones, hiding behind hollow platitudes about "strong women." I suggest that next time you step outside, you try looking for actual strong women... you might just find one.
You are far too entrenched in your own little dogmas to ever concede that I am correct, even though deep down, you know I am.

No, the only fact here is that you haven't understood me, period. I've embraced truth and reality in my life, so... and truth isn't the same for everyone, especially with a topic like this where things are pretty relative, honey. That's why we have voting. And seeing as there's quite a few people who are happy in their own skin, I guess thank God there are plenty of people who agree with me.
Elizabeth Newman2 Elizabeth Newman2 Member
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joined Jun 2013
#164 ·
Thomas Davis6 said:You can take these sexist, brainless theories and just toss them in the trash😁..😠just saw your post..honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if you don't have a girlfriend, wife, or fiancé, assuming you even have the guts to say this stuff to someone's face..this is just a massive load of nonsense..

So, you think labor pains aren't actually a thing—I guess you're just being optimistic? Maybe. 😂 Maybe men are more prone to certain illnesses—especially STIs, I guess. As for what I don't buy... I'm not convinced by those theories that men are inherently taller, faster, heavier, or better at jumping—like, the gap between the men's high jump record and the women's isn't exactly a slam dunk for me. And I definitely don't think they're more creative. 😂 Regarding intelligence—check out my thread "Smarter men or women." Research suggests the average male IQ is about 5 points higher than females. I guess... what were you even trying to get at? What’s the disagreement here? And honestly, what does cold, hard reality have to do with being a chauvinist?

I mean, I’d definitely tell him if he actually asked me if I wanted to be a woman—but it's not exactly a conversation starter, I guess. 😂 She’s just not going to be my type—not exactly the average I'm looking for. And honestly, searching the whole country for a soulmate feels a bit like looking for hair on a cat—pretty much impossible. You can find casual stuff anywhere these days, I guess. I don't see myself ever getting married.

Lisa Hernandez3 said:He mentioned he’s only 14—at least, that's what he wrote on another thread. I guess he's still in that stage where his opinions are definitely going to evolve as he grows up.
Let’s try to steer things back to the main topic—which option do you all prefer and why? Also, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the poll results.

Opinions shouldn't really change once you hit sixteen—or ever, I guess. Anyone who flips their stance after that isn't worth mentioning—just a total weather vane, really.
Jamie Jackson3 Jamie Jackson3 Member
24 messages
joined Jul 2010
#165 ·
Thomas Davis6 said:No, the only fact here is that you haven't understood me, period. I've embraced truth and reality in my life, so... and truth isn't the same for everyone, especially with a topic like this where things are pretty relative, honey. That's why we have voting. And seeing as there's quite a few people who are happy in their own skin, I guess thank God there are plenty of people who agree with me.

I provided you with an argument and even went to the trouble of writing out a lengthy, detailed explanation to clarify my points. If, after all that, your only response is a massive "NO" without offering any actual rebuttal, then we simply have nothing left to discuss. 🤷

At least you didn't deny the latter part concerning how REAL women feel terrible about their bodies—because you know it's true (I love being a woman, but I spend a fortune on anti-cellulite treatments, creams, surgeries, and skin tightening😁). The most ridiculous thing is when these women claim they don't do these things to please men, but rather for themselves. Then, when you ask if they are actually satisfied with themselves, they fall silent. Perhaps you are one of them. I won't dwell on it. I never viewed this topic or the poll as some sort of competition to see who could collect the most votes, nor was I acting out of hostility. Unfortunately, you seem to have taken the poll personally, as if you were running for President and every single vote is a matter of survival. To me, the poll results mean nothing. What matters are the posts from girls on this thread showing agreement and stating that I am right, without feeling the need to add anything else. Furthermore, when compiling the list, I was guided by the problems my female friends brought up—real issues they face in their daily lives as women. I believe it is vital to discuss these problems because that is the path toward improvement. Ignoring them, sweeping them under the rug, or pretending everything is fine has never solved anything.
Well, it seems I have allies too.😉
In the end, I see that it bothers you that some women dislike the sheer amount of housework and childcare and would prefer children, thus supposedly resenting men. Or that they want both a career and a family, which isn't easy for a woman, leading to more resentment toward men. They want the best of both worlds, just like men do. Some want equal pay for the same work, but they don't get it. Some wish they wouldn't be sent to job interviews only to have their potential pregnancy scrutinized, or questioned about who they are sleeping with, or pressured to delay motherhood under the threat of termination or unemployment.
These are all very real issues. I voted for the option of permanently being male, which is why I focused on the negatives of living in a female body. Had I happened to vote for the option of never being male, I would have written about the beauties of the female experience. Do you follow? All you needed to do was list the advantages (aside from seducing police officers)... for instance, I might have listed cardiovascular disease as a downside of being male (had I voted like you😁), but since I didn't, I am explaining my reasoning.
If it bothers you so much that 15% of us voted to be male, then stop looking at the poll. This is a democracy, and it is our right to vote that way.
I suggest you start a new thread about insecure girls who are dissatisfied with their appearance and weight (which is becoming increasingly common among younger generations)—those who hate themselves because they don't look like they belong on a Vogue cover and suffer from depression, bulimia, or anorexia. Perhaps your platitudes would help them. Those of us who are "down to earth" certainly don't need them.☕

Greetings,
Ethan Thomas13 Ethan Thomas13 Newcomer
7 messages
joined Aug 2010
#166 ·
@Elizabeth Newman2, you’re acting like a total kid, and honestly, your writing style gives you away immediately. Of course you'll eventually change your tune once you realize that insulting women isn't exactly a winning strategy for getting any attention. Only a complete moron—or someone who's already dead inside—stays stuck in their ways forever. Don't take this personally, though; given how young you are, nobody's actually expecting much maturity yet.
Ethan Thomas13 Ethan Thomas13 Newcomer
7 messages
joined Aug 2010
#167 ·
@Jamie Jackson3 Why even bother changing your handle to UnluckyStar? It’s like you're desperately trying to prove there’s nothing more important than being a woman. It’s pathetic... honestly just sad.
You’re totally losing the plot in these replies—one minute you're claiming those reasons are vital, and the next you're dismissing them as shallow stereotypes...
And let's get one thing straight: true biological injustice isn't a woman having the choice to have kids or not; it's when she actually wants them but can't.
Sure, giving birth is way harder than just making a kid, but it's a massive milestone. It's the day people celebrate as their birthday, and an entire human life unfolds from the moment of birth until the end!
The fact that your old man made you? You don't even know, and frankly, you don't care.
Henry Williams Henry Williams Member
24 messages
joined Sep 2010
#168 ·
Elizabeth Newman2 said:So, you think labor pains aren't actually a thing—I guess you're just being optimistic? Maybe. 😂 Maybe men are more prone to certain illnesses—especially STIs, I guess. As for what I don't buy... I'm not convinced by those theories that men are inherently taller, faster, heavier, or better at jumping—like, the gap between the men's high jump record and the women's isn't exactly a slam dunk for me. And I definitely don't think they're more creative. 😂 Regarding intelligence—check out my thread "Smarter men or women." Research suggests the average male IQ is about 5 points higher than females. I guess... what were you even trying to get at? What’s the disagreement here? And honestly, what does cold, hard reality have to do with being a chauvinist?

I mean, I’d definitely tell him if he actually asked me if I wanted to be a woman—but it's not exactly a conversation starter, I guess. 😂 She’s just not going to be my type—not exactly the average I'm looking for. And honestly, searching the whole country for a soulmate feels a bit like looking for hair on a cat—pretty much impossible. You can find casual stuff anywhere these days, I guess. I don't see myself ever getting married.

Opinions shouldn't really change once you hit sixteen—or ever, I guess. Anyone who flips their stance after that isn't worth mentioning—just a total weather vane, really.

Wait, what? I've honestly never heard anyone say that before.
Jamie Jackson3 Jamie Jackson3 Member
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joined Jul 2010
#169 ·
Elizabeth Newman2 said:So, you think labor pains aren't actually a thing—I guess you're just being optimistic? Maybe. 😂 Maybe men are more prone to certain illnesses—especially STIs, I guess. As for what I don't buy... I'm not convinced by those theories that men are inherently taller, faster, heavier, or better at jumping—like, the gap between the men's high jump record and the women's isn't exactly a slam dunk for me. And I definitely don't think they're more creative. 😂 Regarding intelligence—check out my thread "Smarter men or women." Research suggests the average male IQ is about 5 points higher than females. I guess... what were you even trying to get at? What’s the disagreement here? And honestly, what does cold, hard reality have to do with being a chauvinist?

I mean, I’d definitely tell him if he actually asked me if I wanted to be a woman—but it's not exactly a conversation starter, I guess. 😂 She’s just not going to be my type—not exactly the average I'm looking for. And honestly, searching the whole country for a soulmate feels a bit like looking for hair on a cat—pretty much impossible. You can find casual stuff anywhere these days, I guess. I don't see myself ever getting married.

Opinions shouldn't really change once you hit sixteen—or ever, I guess. Anyone who flips their stance after that isn't worth mentioning—just a total weather vane, really.

Well, you’re missing the mark. Men are indeed more susceptible to certain types of ailments, while women face different risks. It’s a fact that women deal with more reproductive health issues, whereas men see higher rates of cardiovascular disease. If you bother to look at the CDC statistics, the mortality differences between the sexes become quite clear. And honestly, the idea that men are taller, faster, or more athletic isn't some sort of inherent advantage. You likely have a friend who is taller and faster than you, and you aren't exactly pining to swap places with them. There is always someone faster and stronger. Should a Chinese person be envious of an African person because they are taller or more athletic? What if they were half-Chinese or Inuit? Ultimately, it doesn't matter. Frankly, I couldn't care less who is physically superior to me. Even if I were a man, I wouldn't lose sleep over the fact that Mark from 8th grade runs a faster mile...
Regarding creativity, the notion that men are generally more creative is fundamentally flawed. Creativity is defined in countless ways; it depends entirely on one's mental freedom and capacity for visualization. Since there are various forms of creativity, you could argue that men might excel in spatial or technical areas, but to generalize is a massive reach—creativity is far too broad a concept for such sweeping statements. And what "research" are we talking about? Do you actually understand what constitutes legitimate scientific research and how it's conducted? Nowadays, anyone can whip up a pseudo-study and call it a day.
Furthermore, there are multiple types of intelligence (even though most people only focus on mathematical ability), so you really need to specify which type was being tested. Have you ever actually taken an intelligence test? Perhaps a Mensa exam? If so, try to recall the diversity of the tasks; each one was designed to probe a specific facet of intellect. Viewed through that lens, we can conclude that women often outperform men on certain types of cognitive tests, while men may edge ahead on others. Therefore, claiming men are simply "more intelligent" is a logical fallacy. Besides, even if that were true, it hardly makes being male an advantage over being female. What if you were a brilliant woman only to find yourself reincarnated in the body of an unintelligent man who can't solve a basic algebraic equation? You haven't gained anything from that trade.
Since you seem to be struggling with the concept of intelligence, allow me to provide some clarity.😁
http://www.testovi.info/

This site might be particularly useful for you; it can help you identify which specific type of intelligence aligns best with your own profile.
http://www.lifehack.org/articles/com...ence-type.html
And a little more reading on the various types of intelligence.
http://ezinearticles.com/?IQ-Measure...ence&id=401409

Once you digest this, it becomes painfully obvious that intelligence isn't some inherent justification for being male. Nobody is perfect, and there isn't a single body out there that was granted a flawless brain by default.

As for the chauvinism... allow me to address that.
Your tone toward women is incredibly patronizing. You seem to have forgotten the fundamental biological reality: you were brought into this world through them. Anything emerging from a woman is, by definition, her product. By disparaging women, you are effectively insulting your own existence and the very woman who gave you life.😍

Furthermore, your claims lack any semblance of realism. You adopt this aggressive, primal posture—insisting, as you do, that men possess a 5 percent edge in intelligence—yet you clearly understand nothing about how intellect actually works. Being a man comes with plenty of inherent advantages; you don't need to fabricate arbitrary ones just to prove a point. This obsession with intelligence suggests you haven't bothered to reflect or even inform yourself; you’re simply shouting into the void for the sake of an argument. That is a poor way to carry oneself, and it certainly doesn't demonstrate the intelligence of a true 😉man. It is far too much posturing and far too little substance.☕
My focus remained on characteristics that apply universally to the sexes. For instance, men do not experience menstruation. Regardless of what kind of man I might be, I won't have that. You, however, are fixated on unverified insinuations that wouldn't define the entire male gender even if they were accurate. What does height or IQ actually mean to my identity as a man? I could grow up to be exactly my current height, and I could certainly end up being even more foolish than I am now. Do you follow? You could turn out brilliant or dim-witted; there is a vast spectrum. It is illogical to claim that height or intelligence defines my maleness when there is absolutely no guarantee that I will end up taller or smarter than I am as a female.
There... I suppose I've rambled a bit.
Jamie Jackson3 Jamie Jackson3 Member
24 messages
joined Jul 2010
#170 ·
Ethan Thomas13 said:@Jamie Jackson3 Why even bother changing your handle to UnluckyStar? It’s like you're desperately trying to prove there’s nothing more important than being a woman. It’s pathetic... honestly just sad.
You’re totally losing the plot in these replies—one minute you're claiming those reasons are vital, and the next you're dismissing them as shallow stereotypes...
And let's get one thing straight: true biological injustice isn't a woman having the choice to have kids or not; it's when she actually wants them but can't.
Sure, giving birth is way harder than just making a kid, but it's a massive milestone. It's the day people celebrate as their birthday, and an entire human life unfolds from the moment of birth until the end!
The fact that your old man made you? You don't even know, and frankly, you don't care.

Well, fine, but even as a father, you will celebrate when your child is born. Personally, I don't think that moment would be any less significant if I were a man; it wouldn't be "normal" for a man to experience that without feeling it's something special. I stated that it is an injustice that a woman must undergo childbirth if she wants a child while a man does not. I wasn't referring to biological injustice in terms of infertility, as that affects everyone equally, regardless of gender. Unfortunately, there is a rising number of men facing infertility due to low sperm quality nowadays, so they aren't exempt from that reality either.
I am not attempting to prove anything; my goal is simply to point things out and provide arguments. I haven't been peddling nonsense like "women are dim" or "men are brilliant"; I am discussing actual issues. My intention is to make women aware so they aren't taken advantage of—for instance, during job interviews—and to ensure their human rights, such as freedom, employment, and motherhood, are not violated. I am not losing my thread in these posts. On the contrary, I have clarified everything. At the start, I specified what the focus was (the core deficiencies) and what was intended as satire or stereotype. Now, she claims these are lesser problems, which is why I oscillate between mockery and serious commentary; they are secondary in my posts, and most importantly, they are solvable. Those who want to understand will grasp it immediately and perhaps laugh at the satirical parts that might lean on stereotypes, though there is a kernel of truth in that humor. Our neighbors in Canada are masters at wrapping uncomfortable truths in comedy. I see no reason why we shouldn't do the same.
Both you and your colleague have failed to grasp a single one of my posts because you are both busy projecting your own narratives onto them. I am telling you (I repeat) that if you want, go ahead and start a separate thread about girls who love their femininity but hate their bodies, and write your slogans there.
If nothing else, you'll eventually realize this when life gives you a reality check.😉
Susan Lewis2 Susan Lewis2 Member
23 messages
joined Oct 2009
#171 ·
Here is an example of a study conducted here in the USA—though I suppose it isn't much of a surprise, since we see similar patterns domestically too; I recall even President Obama addressing this very issue on national television just a few months back. In my estimation, these represent the most glaring injustices one faces when navigating life as a woman.
I suppose one could bring up arguments regarding maternity leave or childbirth, and while those issues certainly bother me, I suspect one eventually just accepts them as part of the female experience.
However, when you see such blatant discrimination at the executive level in what is supposed to be the 21st century—where you possess identical qualifications and hold the exact same position as a man, yet receive significantly lower pay simply because of your gender—it really forces you to consider whether being male offers a distinct advantage from a purely financial perspective.
In today's climate, where wealth and earnings are so central to our existence, it’s hard to ignore; education is becoming increasingly accessible across the country, whereas things have always been structured differently elsewhere. Women drive cars now, too, and they aren't just sticking to some tiny subcompact like a vintage Volkswagen Beetle just because they're women.
It seems clear that societal norms in the modern West have shifted, yet this remains a critical issue that we must continue to fight against as time moves forward.
I am reasonably certain that things will eventually balance out, but perhaps not within our own lifetime—or so the experts seem to suggest.
Elizabeth Newman2 Elizabeth Newman2 Member
18 messages
joined Jun 2013
#172 ·
Jamie Jackson3 said:Well, you’re missing the mark. Men are indeed more susceptible to certain types of ailments, while women face different risks. It’s a fact that women deal with more reproductive health issues, whereas men see higher rates of cardiovascular disease. If you bother to look at the CDC statistics, the mortality differences between the sexes become quite clear. And honestly, the idea that men are taller, faster, or more athletic isn't some sort of inherent advantage. You likely have a friend who is taller and faster than you, and you aren't exactly pining to swap places with them. There is always someone faster and stronger. Should a Chinese person be envious of an African person because they are taller or more athletic? What if they were half-Chinese or Inuit? Ultimately, it doesn't matter. Frankly, I couldn't care less who is physically superior to me. Even if I were a man, I wouldn't lose sleep over the fact that Mark from 8th grade runs a faster mile...
Regarding creativity, the notion that men are generally more creative is fundamentally flawed. Creativity is defined in countless ways; it depends entirely on one's mental freedom and capacity for visualization. Since there are various forms of creativity, you could argue that men might excel in spatial or technical areas, but to generalize is a massive reach—creativity is far too broad a concept for such sweeping statements. And what "research" are we talking about? Do you actually understand what constitutes legitimate scientific research and how it's conducted? Nowadays, anyone can whip up a pseudo-study and call it a day.
Furthermore, there are multiple types of intelligence (even though most people only focus on mathematical ability), so you really need to specify which type was being tested. Have you ever actually taken an intelligence test? Perhaps a Mensa exam? If so, try to recall the diversity of the tasks; each one was designed to probe a specific facet of intellect. Viewed through that lens, we can conclude that women often outperform men on certain types of cognitive tests, while men may edge ahead on others. Therefore, claiming men are simply "more intelligent" is a logical fallacy. Besides, even if that were true, it hardly makes being male an advantage over being female. What if you were a brilliant woman only to find yourself reincarnated in the body of an unintelligent man who can't solve a basic algebraic equation? You haven't gained anything from that trade.
Since you seem to be struggling with the concept of intelligence, allow me to provide some clarity.😁
http://www.testovi.info/

This site might be particularly useful for you; it can help you identify which specific type of intelligence aligns best with your own profile.
http://www.lifehack.org/articles/com...ence-type.html
And a little more reading on the various types of intelligence.
http://ezinearticles.com/?IQ-Measure...ence&id=401409

Once you digest this, it becomes painfully obvious that intelligence isn't some inherent justification for being male. Nobody is perfect, and there isn't a single body out there that was granted a flawless brain by default.

As for the chauvinism... allow me to address that.
Your tone toward women is incredibly patronizing. You seem to have forgotten the fundamental biological reality: you were brought into this world through them. Anything emerging from a woman is, by definition, her product. By disparaging women, you are effectively insulting your own existence and the very woman who gave you life.😍

Furthermore, your claims lack any semblance of realism. You adopt this aggressive, primal posture—insisting, as you do, that men possess a 5 percent edge in intelligence—yet you clearly understand nothing about how intellect actually works. Being a man comes with plenty of inherent advantages; you don't need to fabricate arbitrary ones just to prove a point. This obsession with intelligence suggests you haven't bothered to reflect or even inform yourself; you’re simply shouting into the void for the sake of an argument. That is a poor way to carry oneself, and it certainly doesn't demonstrate the intelligence of a true 😉man. It is far too much posturing and far too little substance.☕
My focus remained on characteristics that apply universally to the sexes. For instance, men do not experience menstruation. Regardless of what kind of man I might be, I won't have that. You, however, are fixated on unverified insinuations that wouldn't define the entire male gender even if they were accurate. What does height or IQ actually mean to my identity as a man? I could grow up to be exactly my current height, and I could certainly end up being even more foolish than I am now. Do you follow? You could turn out brilliant or dim-witted; there is a vast spectrum. It is illogical to claim that height or intelligence defines my maleness when there is absolutely no guarantee that I will end up taller or smarter than I am as a female.
There... I suppose I've rambled a bit.

STDs are the absolute worst. When someone is taller, faster, or more athletic, they get a shot at incredible results in sports, and let's face it, sports is a massive business. Personally, I don't really have friends 🙂 or even need them. And sure, men are more creative—that’s worth a debate 🙄 ? I mean, men built at least 95% of everything in existence.

Extensive research shows that all this new nonsense regarding different types of intelligence is just a way to offer comfort. The harsh reality is that intelligence is hereditary, genetically determined, develops genetically until age 16, is on average higher in men, is best measured by simple IQ, and is basically set in stone.

I said all that was an average, but there's one thing that isn't average—something every woman has and no man does, which is why I'm incredibly glad I'm not a woman: childbirth pain and a higher susceptibility to certain (the worst) diseases. So, yeah, I wouldn't want to be a woman. We haven't moved from a standstill here; like I wrote, it was true then and it’ll stay true until the end of the human race.

Ethan Thomas13 said:@Elizabeth Newman2, you’re acting like a total kid, and honestly, your writing style gives you away immediately. Of course you'll eventually change your tune once you realize that insulting women isn't exactly a winning strategy for getting any attention. Only a complete moron—or someone who's already dead inside—stays stuck in their ways forever. Don't take this personally, though; given how young you are, nobody's actually expecting much maturity yet.

I'm better written than you. First off, because I actually know how to use two languages, and second, I'm more eloquent and care more about expressing myself properly in American English. Facing harsh reality isn't an insult, nor am I trying to win over some random debater 🤦 . I've changed my mind a few times, sure, but anyone doing that after the age of 16 is just flighty, and their views aren't worth mentioning since they're as unstable as they are. Once I've formed a solid opinion, I almost certainly won't be changing it.
Thomas Davis6 Thomas Davis6 Member
32 messages
joined Aug 2010
#173 ·
Susan Lewis2 said:Here is an example of a study conducted here in the USA—though I suppose it isn't much of a surprise, since we see similar patterns domestically too; I recall even President Obama addressing this very issue on national television just a few months back. In my estimation, these represent the most glaring injustices one faces when navigating life as a woman.
I suppose one could bring up arguments regarding maternity leave or childbirth, and while those issues certainly bother me, I suspect one eventually just accepts them as part of the female experience.
However, when you see such blatant discrimination at the executive level in what is supposed to be the 21st century—where you possess identical qualifications and hold the exact same position as a man, yet receive significantly lower pay simply because of your gender—it really forces you to consider whether being male offers a distinct advantage from a purely financial perspective.
In today's climate, where wealth and earnings are so central to our existence, it’s hard to ignore; education is becoming increasingly accessible across the country, whereas things have always been structured differently elsewhere. Women drive cars now, too, and they aren't just sticking to some tiny subcompact like a vintage Volkswagen Beetle just because they're women.
It seems clear that societal norms in the modern West have shifted, yet this remains a critical issue that we must continue to fight against as time moves forward.
I am reasonably certain that things will eventually balance out, but perhaps not within our own lifetime—or so the experts seem to suggest.

Yeah, Susan Lewis2, times are changing for the better...🙂..and they could change even faster if women become more empowered, independent, and self-aware—especially regarding money. And yeah, they should definitely demand their rights, because that just means they aren't letting themselves be denied the respect and justice they deserve...
BTW, Jamie Jackson3, I mentioned cardiovascular disease as one of those issues that hits men harder in an earlier post, so...
Elizabeth Newman2, you seriously need to rethink those views. I hope you grow out of them as you get older, because the way you're thinking right now? Not a good look. Your theories don't really hold water, especially when it comes to intelligence and creativity... but honestly, I don't have the energy to argue with someone acting like a teenager😁😁..so...🙂
Elizabeth Newman2 Elizabeth Newman2 Member
18 messages
joined Jun 2013
#174 ·
Thomas Davis6 said:Yeah, Susan Lewis2, times are changing for the better...🙂..and they could change even faster if women become more empowered, independent, and self-aware—especially regarding money. And yeah, they should definitely demand their rights, because that just means they aren't letting themselves be denied the respect and justice they deserve...
BTW, Jamie Jackson3, I mentioned cardiovascular disease as one of those issues that hits men harder in an earlier post, so...
Elizabeth Newman2, you seriously need to rethink those views. I hope you grow out of them as you get older, because the way you're thinking right now? Not a good look. Your theories don't really hold water, especially when it comes to intelligence and creativity... but honestly, I don't have the energy to argue with someone acting like a teenager😁😁..so...🙂

There are actually people on this planet who would argue that men aren't even more creative than women on average🙄 .
frozenfox64 frozenfox64 Newcomer
1 message
joined Jan 2011
#175 ·
"Would you ever want to see what life is like from a man's perspective?"
Yeah, sure, just so I can experience getting kicked in the butt myself. xD
Rebecca Chase5 Rebecca Chase5 Member
10 messages
joined Jan 2011
#176 ·
I could never see myself being a man. They seem so bland—unstructured, soft, and indifferent. When you really look at how men operate, they're practically handed everything on a silver platter (which might explain why they've become so complacent). Women, on the other hand, have to put in the work. We have to prove our worth, take risks, build arguments, be more ambitious, more resilient, and more driven... it's exhausting. We're constantly competing against someone... I truly believe we were chosen for the more difficult and demanding role. Women are natural leaders, and frankly, the world is failing because men refuse to let our innate leadership emerge. Men are essentially just imitating us, and whenever someone tries to mimic someone else, things inevitably go wrong.
Edward Morgan14 Edward Morgan14 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Nov 2010
#177 ·
I could never see myself as a man; I am perfectly content being a woman.👍
feralpilot0 feralpilot0 Active Member
142 messages
joined Jul 2018
#178 ·
Canada, just for a day. I’d love to see what the fuss is about—though I suspect I’d spend the entire time waddling around like some fried cowboy because of that extra weight between my legs. 😂
mellowseal27 mellowseal27 Member
24 messages
joined Apr 2015
#179 ·
Edward Morgan14 said:I could never see myself as a man; I am perfectly content being a woman.👍

Same here.
Henry Williams Henry Williams Member
24 messages
joined Sep 2010
#180 ·
Rebecca Chase5 said:I could never see myself being a man. They seem so bland—unstructured, soft, and indifferent. When you really look at how men operate, they're practically handed everything on a silver platter (which might explain why they've become so complacent). Women, on the other hand, have to put in the work. We have to prove our worth, take risks, build arguments, be more ambitious, more resilient, and more driven... it's exhausting. We're constantly competing against someone... I truly believe we were chosen for the more difficult and demanding role. Women are natural leaders, and frankly, the world is failing because men refuse to let our innate leadership emerge. Men are essentially just imitating us, and whenever someone tries to mimic someone else, things inevitably go wrong.

Wait, how exactly are men imitating us? What have we actually done for the world that makes us worth mimicking? You can barely string two coherent sentences together, yet suddenly you're "born to lead."😢

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