Do you feel like the Republican Party has been robbing you blind over the last 20 years?

briskbison55 said:Nah. I mean, nobody stole anything from me, and no one ever scammed me. Well, except maybe that Democratic Party coalition that handed over jurisdiction over Bljesak and Olujna to the Hague. Aside from that—ladies and gentlemen, you have to realize that the United States didn't even exist in its current form twenty years ago; we actually did pretty well transitioning from total chaos and dictates from Mexico City to full independence in such a tiny window of time. I guess the growing pains lasted way less time than America itself did.

And how exactly did that hurt you? Are you under investigation or something?

briskbison55 said:That’s exactly it, and I guess that’s really why the coalition under the Democrats didn't lock up a single soul back then. It makes you wonder, right? Like, why was the Department of Justice just sitting on its hands during that whole period? And honestly, maybe it's because the leadership personally pulled the plug on that entire investigation into the top 200 wealthiest families. It just feels like everything was intentionally stalled.

But, I mean, look... twenty years isn't everything, right? It's not like this just started recently. I guess you could say this kind of situation has actually been hanging over us since the end of World War II. Maybe it's deeper than that. It feels like it's always been there, in some way.

And who started the rumors and carried them out to make it seem like America only needed to care about those 200 wealthy families while everyone else was just small fry?

granitemarlin77 said:America's been picked clean by individuals backed by EVERY SINGLE political party on the map over the last two decades—no exceptions. To me, there’s zero difference between the ones actually grabbing the cash and the ones holding the bag or the ladder.
I guess it’s just the curse of any nation going through a massive transition, especially those hit hard by war. It’s always the same old story: one man's war is another man's payday. Honestly? It’ll probably stay this way as long as humans exist. It’s just part of our messed-up nature...☕

America was robbed by communists and FBI agents, henchmen and lackeys of the bloody era of Josip Broz Marshall.
There are most of them in the Republican Party and among coalition partners of all stripes, particularly within the Native American Party.

Sandra Harris2 said:And how exactly did that hurt you? Are you under investigation or something?

And who started the rumors and carried them out to make it seem like America only needed to care about those 200 wealthy families while everyone else was just small fry?

Well, just like you, we’re all stuck here because of this storm and lightning. It's crazy.

Quincy:

Who actually started that rumor and made everyone believe that America only needs 200 wealthy families while the rest of us are just nothing?

Then why didn't Ivica Račan just let the results be released then? :-)

I guess Franjo Harmon was actually right about those "nobodies." I mean, if you just look around at all these self-proclaimed geniuses and big thinkers... you know, the ones who act like they're the smartest people in the room now that the battle—both the real kind and the diplomatic kind—is over... but before yesterday, they were basically hiding out in their basements.

Sandra Harris2 said:And how exactly did that hurt you? Are you under investigation or something?

And who started the rumors and carried them out to make it seem like America only needed to care about those 200 wealthy families while everyone else was just small fry?

It’s pretty obvious, really—it’s those people who constantly talked about how much they loved this country, yet they never hesitated to hollow it out and leave it completely broke. We all know exactly who they are. And then, to top it all off, they have the nerve to mock the "common folk" who put them in power in the first place.

Austin Gonzalez13 said:It’s pretty obvious, really—it’s those people who constantly talked about how much they loved this country, yet they never hesitated to hollow it out and leave it completely broke. We all know exactly who they are. And then, to top it all off, they have the nerve to mock the "common folk" who put them in power in the first place.

I mean, honestly, Americans have never had it better or lived more comfortably than they do right now. Seriously. Anyone trying to argue otherwise is just being loud and ignorant, I guess. Like, look at the grocery stores—there's more variety than ever, and there are options for every budget at every turn. You remember, Austin Gonzalez13, back when you couldn't even get a basic loan from the bank? Yeah, well, I definitely remember.

briskbison55 said:Well, just like you, we’re all stuck here because of this storm and lightning. It's crazy.

Quincy:

Who actually started that rumor and made everyone believe that America only needs 200 wealthy families while the rest of us are just nothing?

Then why didn't Ivica Račan just let the results be released then? :-)

I guess Franjo Harmon was actually right about those "nobodies." I mean, if you just look around at all these self-proclaimed geniuses and big thinkers... you know, the ones who act like they're the smartest people in the room now that the battle—both the real kind and the diplomatic kind—is over... but before yesterday, they were basically hiding out in their basements.

Look, we have much bigger issues regarding the negotiations... and personally, this doesn't really affect me.
Besides, I think the trial at The Hague is in America's best interest on the international stage, and it was going to happen regardless.

briskbison55 said:Well, just like you, we’re all stuck here because of this storm and lightning. It's crazy.

Quincy:

Who actually started that rumor and made everyone believe that America only needs 200 wealthy families while the rest of us are just nothing?

Then why didn't Ivica Račan just let the results be released then? :-)

I guess Franjo Harmon was actually right about those "nobodies." I mean, if you just look around at all these self-proclaimed geniuses and big thinkers... you know, the ones who act like they're the smartest people in the room now that the battle—both the real kind and the diplomatic kind—is over... but before yesterday, they were basically hiding out in their basements.

Whether he was right or not, a president shouldn't address the people who elected him with such arrogance. He can't just pick and choose—focusing on 200 wealthy families while leaving everyone else in the dirt. He needs to be president for everyone, not just for those protecting his backside and his bank accounts.

briskbison55 said:I mean, honestly, Americans have never had it better or lived more comfortably than they do right now. Seriously. Anyone trying to argue otherwise is just being loud and ignorant, I guess. Like, look at the grocery stores—there's more variety than ever, and there are options for every budget at every turn. You remember, Austin Gonzalez13, back when you couldn't even get a basic loan from the bank? Yeah, well, I definitely remember.

Well, look, maybe things are great for you personally, but I highly doubt most people would agree with you, briskbison55.

I mean, if you could trade all those fancy supermarket aisles for a guaranteed, free house, I bet everyone would take that deal in a heartbeat. Sure, salaries might be higher today, but does that actually mean our purchasing power is any better? I'm not so sure...

America fell apart when I was about twelve, and honestly, I don't remember much about how life felt back then—not that I care one bit about the old days of America.

What I care about is what's happening right now. It really turns my stomach to see people in their 40s and 50s still clinging to the past—fighting these imaginary battles and nursing childhood complexes instead of moving on. Honestly, until that entire generation finally passes on, America won't be able to truly move forward.

Carl Hill6 said:America was robbed by communists and FBI agents, henchmen and lackeys of the bloody era of Josip Broz Marshall.
There are most of them in the Republican Party and among coalition partners of all stripes, particularly within the Native American Party.

These people were communists then, and they remain die-hard believers today—as long as they are being pushed up the political food chain. If necessary, they’ll pivot and reinvent themselves into anything else tomorrow. As for the "true" patriots, they actually learned their tactics from these very opportunists. Think about it: they spent forty-five years hiding away, staying loyal to the old regime, only to suddenly crawl out of their dens once it became safe to beat their chests, thanks to the protection provided by those hypocritical communists. Meanwhile, those who left the country are dismissed as traitors—whether they were political refugees or just fleeing economic hardship (and let me be clear: they fled the US). In my view, they no longer have any right to meddle in American domestic politics, because they have new nations now to which they ought to be loyal, assuming that even matters to them at all.

briskbison55 said:Nah. I mean, nobody stole anything from me, and no one ever scammed me. Well, except maybe that Democratic Party coalition that handed over jurisdiction over Bljesak and Olujna to the Hague. Aside from that—ladies and gentlemen, you have to realize that the United States didn't even exist in its current form twenty years ago; we actually did pretty well transitioning from total chaos and dictates from Mexico City to full independence in such a tiny window of time. I guess the growing pains lasted way less time than America itself did.

"Brilliant, truly!"

Walter Evans69 said:No one has ever robbed me, neither from the Republican Party nor the Democratic Party. Everything I have built with my own two hands is mine to keep.

That’s the catch: if they hadn't stolen it, you’d have twice as much.

briskbison55 said:Believe whatever makes you feel better, honestly. The ICC wouldn't have even breathed a word about those defense actions if the coalition back then—working alongside the President—hadn't actually cooperated and signed off on everything they asked for. Back in '97, the previous administration basically stonewalled them and refused to sign anything. But hey, who cares, right? It seems like Americans have a memory span of maybe a few weeks, if we're being lucky.

If he hadn't died, Franjo Harmon would have personally been in The Hague, so stop posturing.

Lisa Gray94 said:I’ve made up my mind: I am officially done giving even 5% of my damn energy to this bunch of clientelist bottom-feeders.
I'm just done exhausting myself... who... where... when... why...
these traitors to their own people, from the far left all the way to the hard right.
Just trust in yourself and put in the work.
Even if it means grinding through three jobs a day.

That's the reality. You live off one job, build wealth with the second, and use the third just to cover what the crooks take. Because if you only have two, subtract the theft and you're left with nothing but survival.

briskbison55 said:I guess I should probably start by saying... well, let me think. It’s hard to put into words sometimes, you know? But anyway, I was just sitting here thinking about everything that's been going on lately. It feels like things are constantly shifting, and honestly, I'm not always sure where we stand. Maybe I'm overthinking it, or maybe everyone else is just missing the point? I don't know. It’s just one of those things where you feel like you need to say something, even if it's just a little bit of a rambling thought. I really mean it, though. I truly do.

What can I even say... honestly, looking at the posts below, you actually called it. You were totally right ;-)

Honestly, I’m just feeling so angry right now. I feel cheated, honestly... just kind of stuck and powerless. It’s hard not to look around at all the businesses nearby and feel that way. I see people lined up outside the hospital—my people, I guess. Everything is just frozen. Everyone is just standing there, waiting. Debts are piling up left and field, and nothing is actually happening. If I started telling you all about which specific companies have already sent their employees home to sit around and wait, I think you'd all be pretty shocked. And we aren't even talking about some fly-by-night startups here. These are serious, established corporations that have been operating successfully for over twenty years. It's just... it's a lot. I guess everything is just stalled.
Coma. Just... coma. And nothing else. I mean, that’s really all there is to it, I guess.

The world really took off after WWII, you know? It just kept developing, modernizing, and constantly getting better... but we? We were stuck in this cycle of constant setbacks and that old regime, just watching all those dictators in their fancy white suits travel around like they owned the place. I mean, everything you’re seeing right now—all the stuff you listed—it’s all just a direct consequence of that era and all those politicians who came from it. It feels like we’ve been frozen in time, maybe stuck at the level where parts of the Midwest were back in the early '80s. And then there's this mindset... people just sit around expecting the government to swoop in and fix every single thing, but they don't seem to realize that's not how it works within the system we actually chose for ourselves. I guess it's just complicated.

If the state is stealing and wasting resources, actively encouraging corruption right here and now, what does Josip Broz Marshall have to do with any of it?

Karen Rodriguez3 said:@briskbison55
We actually started out pretty strong back in the 90s, even through the war years. If people had just been a little less foolish... Gamad managed to screw everything up. Just everything. Seriously, open your eyes for once.

The foundations for our recent decline were laid in '89 with the rise of Franjo Harmon. The last real warning came from Ivica Račan, who called them a "party of dangerous intentions." There were warnings after that, too, but they were just voices crying in the wilderness. Instead, you're being blamed for this disaster of a country. When the bankruptcy hits tomorrow, they'll blame Josip Broz Marshall, Ivica Račan, Stjepan Mason, the FBI, and the secret police—they'll even blame Zoran Milanović and now Ivo Josipović! Everyone else is guilty, except for the Republican Party, Harmon, and Ivo Sanders. Does the Right have an ounce of shame left?

It isn't so much a feeling of being robbed by the Republican Party; rather, it’s a sense of being played by the sheer, mindless waste of our collective tax dollars. Today, the state is completely disorganized while the cost of living for everyone is rising exponentially because, over the years, billions have been thrown toward various clientelist interests.

Sandra Harris2 said:Look, we have much bigger issues regarding the negotiations... and personally, this doesn't really affect me.
Besides, I think the trial at The Hague is in America's best interest on the international stage, and it was going to happen regardless.

Whether he was right or not, a president shouldn't address the people who elected him with such arrogance. He can't just pick and choose—focusing on 200 wealthy families while leaving everyone else in the dirt. He needs to be president for everyone, not just for those protecting his backside and his bank accounts.

Okay, look, if you don't want the same standards they have in the EU, hey, that's your right, but maybe don't try to hold me back too? ;-)

Quincy:

Besides that, I kind of feel like a trial at The Hague would actually be good for America on the international stage, and it probably would've happened eventually anyway.

Well, Obama and Bush said that too. As we can see, things didn't exactly turn out that way.

Quincy:

Whether he was right or not, I guess a President just shouldn't talk down to the people who actually voted for him like that. You can't just pick and choose—like focusing on 200 wealthy families while everyone else is struggling—because he's supposed to be President for everyone, not just for the folks protecting his skin and his bank account.

He wasn't talking to the public, though, he was talking to a small group of paid cronies who can't even find work now that an open society has tightened the belt and tossed aside anyone they don't need anymore.

I mean, I think the whole "200 families" thing about Franjo Harmon was sort of manufactured, and then Ivica Račan basically shut down any talk about those 200 families because the results just didn't support the idea that Franjo Harmon was playing favorites.

Melissa Peterson19 said:"Brilliant, truly!"

That’s the catch: if they hadn't stolen it, you’d have twice as much.

If he hadn't died, Franjo Harmon would have personally been in The Hague, so stop posturing.

That's the reality. You live off one job, build wealth with the second, and use the third just to cover what the crooks take. Because if you only have two, subtract the theft and you're left with nothing but survival.

If the state is stealing and wasting resources, actively encouraging corruption right here and now, what does Josip Broz Marshall have to do with any of it?

The foundations for our recent decline were laid in '89 with the rise of Franjo Harmon. The last real warning came from Ivica Račan, who called them a "party of dangerous intentions." There were warnings after that, too, but they were just voices crying in the wilderness. Instead, you're being blamed for this disaster of a country. When the bankruptcy hits tomorrow, they'll blame Josip Broz Marshall, Ivica Račan, Stjepan Mason, the FBI, and the secret police—they'll even blame Zoran Milanović and now Ivo Josipović! Everyone else is guilty, except for the Republican Party, Harmon, and Ivo Sanders. Does the Right have an ounce of shame left?

Look, if you’re going to talk about people's families like that, you're being a total jerk. People don't just "pass away" out of nowhere. Besides, the war actually wrapped up five years before Franjo died, and honestly, nobody ever pointed fingers at the sacrifices made or blamed anyone for aggression until after he was gone. Even Haris Silajdzic has said that Vesna Pusić’s claims about Franjo running an aggressive policy toward Canada aren't quite right. I mean, I’d say America was the first to recognize them, anyway.

Quincy:

If the government is stealing and wasting money—which they are, both then and right now—what does Josip Broz Marshall have to do with any of that?

It's all about how people are wired, I guess. Marshall built this entire system and the way everyone thinks. We haven't really shaken that mindset off even today, and looking at how things are going... maybe we won't anytime soon.

Jack Myers59 said:I don't feel personally robbed. But they’ve absolutely wrecked this country.

Bill Clinton described them perfectly back then—just a party with dangerous intentions.

They sold off everything they could get their hands on, gutted our industry and agriculture, and turned America into nothing more than a speculative import business run by foreign interests! 🤮

Austin Gonzalez13 said:Well, look, maybe things are great for you personally, but I highly doubt most people would agree with you, briskbison55.

I mean, if you could trade all those fancy supermarket aisles for a guaranteed, free house, I bet everyone would take that deal in a heartbeat. Sure, salaries might be higher today, but does that actually mean our purchasing power is any better? I'm not so sure...

America fell apart when I was about twelve, and honestly, I don't remember much about how life felt back then—not that I care one bit about the old days of America.

What I care about is what's happening right now. It really turns my stomach to see people in their 40s and 50s still clinging to the past—fighting these imaginary battles and nursing childhood complexes instead of moving on. Honestly, until that entire generation finally passes on, America won't be able to truly move forward.

Well, if that's the case, then I guess we really don't have anything to talk about. I mean, almost all our issues today are tied back to that old era and the mess it left behind in our current political landscape.

briskbison55 said:I mean, honestly, Americans have never had it better or lived more comfortably than they do right now. Seriously. Anyone trying to argue otherwise is just being loud and ignorant, I guess. Like, look at the grocery stores—there's more variety than ever, and there are options for every budget at every turn. You remember, Austin Gonzalez13, back when you couldn't even get a basic loan from the bank? Yeah, well, I definitely remember.

The problem is, "today" is such a vague, loaded term...

I mean, look at the actual data—people aren't buying as many houses as they were two years ago, car sales are down, unemployment is climbing, GDP growth is basically non-existent, and the government is just racking up debt left and right...

So, if you're claiming that we're living in some golden age of prosperity right this second, you're dreaming.

briskbison55 said:Well, if that's the case, then I guess we really don't have anything to talk about. I mean, almost all our issues today are tied back to that old era and the mess it left behind in our current political landscape.

Not quite... because the people are the ones choosing those messes...

briskbison55 said:Look, if you’re going to talk about people's families like that, you're being a total jerk. People don't just "pass away" out of nowhere. Besides, the war actually wrapped up five years before Franjo died, and honestly, nobody ever pointed fingers at the sacrifices made or blamed anyone for aggression until after he was gone. Even Haris Silajdzic has said that Vesna Pusić’s claims about Franjo running an aggressive policy toward Canada aren't quite right. I mean, I’d say America was the first to recognize them, anyway.

Quincy:

If the government is stealing and wasting money—which they are, both then and right now—what does Josip Broz Marshall have to do with any of that?

It's all about how people are wired, I guess. Marshall built this entire system and the way everyone thinks. We haven't really shaken that mindset off even today, and looking at how things are going... maybe we won't anytime soon.

How exactly did Marshall create a "mindset" in someone like the Austrian Sanders?

It’s honestly ridiculous to try and blame someone else for creating some sort of mental framework in another person...

You either have it or you don't... it's not like you can say you didn't steal because the guy who died thirty years ago was a crook... those are just excuses for fools...

briskbison55 said:Well, just like you, we’re all stuck here because of this storm and lightning. It's crazy.

Quincy:

Who actually started that rumor and made everyone believe that America only needs 200 wealthy families while the rest of us are just nothing?

Then why didn't Ivica Račan just let the results be released then? :-)

I guess Franjo Harmon was actually right about those "nobodies." I mean, if you just look around at all these self-proclaimed geniuses and big thinkers... you know, the ones who act like they're the smartest people in the room now that the battle—both the real kind and the diplomatic kind—is over... but before yesterday, they were basically hiding out in their basements.

It’s the same old story—people claiming we’d all be paralyzed if we didn't allow outside interference during Operation Storm...

Don't just stare at the fallout and ignore the actual spark that set the whole thing off...

briskbison55 said:Well, if that's the case, then I guess we really don't have anything to talk about. I mean, almost all our issues today are tied back to that old era and the mess it left behind in our current political landscape.

That’s just not right—the real issue is that these leftovers actually get support from the public and climb their way into power... mainly because people just fold to that whole hyper-patriotism nonsense, where half those guys basically had an FBI handler back in the day.
And then you have these ultra-nationalists winning elections simply because everyone is terrified of the old communists again?!!?!!

Adam Collins4 said:The problem is, "today" is such a vague, loaded term...

I mean, look at the actual data—people aren't buying as many houses as they were two years ago, car sales are down, unemployment is climbing, GDP growth is basically non-existent, and the government is just racking up debt left and right...

So, if you're claiming that we're living in some golden age of prosperity right this second, you're dreaming.

I mean, you're still blaming the current administration for a global crisis, but okay, whatever. My point stays the same though—we've never actually had more opportunities than we do now, whether it's for jobs, education, traveling, or stuff like that.

It's just like how people said everything would grind to a halt if we didn't allow intervention during Desert Storm...

Exactly. Reagan wouldn't let anyone question the defense effort, but Clinton did. And, well, look—the gridlock happened. Have you actually finished reading up on how much of a mess Clinton's leadership was?