Should R. Čačić just step down from politics already?

I'm not really looking to dwell on the accident. I mean, stuff like that happens to anyone—it's just life—but still...

But seriously though...? Go on, finish what you were saying.

The sheer coldness and inhumanity of this man is shocking. He feels enough responsibility to step down from his role at the tennis association, yet he shows zero accountability within his political party. And don't even get me started on how his campaign staff was out celebrating just a day or two after the first accident victim passed away while the second was still fighting for their life. It leads you to believe that the only thing that could actually force him out of office would be some kind of legal indictment. In that regard, he isn't any different from the usual criminals you see all over America... or anywhere else in the world.

Being a member or holding an office within the TS is one thing, but being part of the actual party is a completely different ballgame...

It's just like being part of the HOO...

It’s obvious, it’s the same guy. This is about moral responsibility, regardless of whatever title he holds. The fact that he was celebrating in Barack Obama's campaign headquarters just proves there isn't a single thing he won't calculate for his own benefit.

I don't know much about Radomir Cacic, but looking at this from a principle standpoint: no, that’s no reason for someone to just walk away from politics. If he was reckless and caused an accident, he should face whatever legal penalties are on the books, but that doesn't mean he loses his civil or political rights.
Using that same logic, this could happen to any driver tomorrow. Someone cuts you off, you lose focus for a split second, or maybe you're speeding a little—which, judging by the discussions on this forum, seems to be the standard way people drive on our highways—and then what? Does that mean you lose your career, get branded a villain, and force yourself into exile?
From what I’ve heard, Cacic has a habit of driving fast and has been in a few accidents before (correct me if I'm wrong). If that's true, it's simply a sign that his license should have been revoked a long time ago due to aggressive driving.
Let me remind everyone that this isn't the first time we've seen famous public figures involved in fatal accidents. We've seen singers, musicians, athletes, and people from all walks of life. They all kept doing their jobs. A car accident, by definition, doesn't make Cacic a bad person; it just makes him a bad driver, something someone else should have addressed a long time ago.

Which type of politician is more destructive: those who create chaos on our roads, or those who orchestrate systemic theft, deep-rooted corruption, calculated deception, and even the protection of murderers?

shadowbison15 said:I don't know much about Radomir Cacic, but looking at this from a principle standpoint: no, that’s no reason for someone to just walk away from politics. If he was reckless and caused an accident, he should face whatever legal penalties are on the books, but that doesn't mean he loses his civil or political rights.
Using that same logic, this could happen to any driver tomorrow. Someone cuts you off, you lose focus for a split second, or maybe you're speeding a little—which, judging by the discussions on this forum, seems to be the standard way people drive on our highways—and then what? Does that mean you lose your career, get branded a villain, and force yourself into exile?
From what I’ve heard, Cacic has a habit of driving fast and has been in a few accidents before (correct me if I'm wrong). If that's true, it's simply a sign that his license should have been revoked a long time ago due to aggressive driving.
Let me remind everyone that this isn't the first time we've seen famous public figures involved in fatal accidents. We've seen singers, musicians, athletes, and people from all walks of life. They all kept doing their jobs. A car accident, by definition, doesn't make Cacic a bad person; it just makes him a bad driver, something someone else should have addressed a long time ago.

Where does it end? Let's say we take that bolded part into account, and Cacic gets some kind of "penalty." Are we going to tolerate him if he keeps killing people in the future? George W. Bush lost his standing because of how he legally attacked and killed people in Iraq.
His behavior in this situation shows how little he values human life or feels any solidarity with the families of the victims. I believe those families could clearly see his celebration during the results reception, so there was no way any of Cacic's condolences or apologies would have meant anything.

Kevin Gonzalez79 said:Which type of politician is more destructive: those who create chaos on our roads, or those who orchestrate systemic theft, deep-rooted corruption, calculated deception, and even the protection of murderers?

Are you talking about R. Čačić?
You probably wanted Bandić's resignation when he drove drunk, and I think he should have stepped down. He was drunk behind the wheel, while Čačić drives too fast; the end result could be the same... dead people.
Čičin-Šainka tried to run over police officers, and nothing happened...

I honestly don't see how a car accident has anything to do with someone's political career; they're two completely different worlds. He even pointed out that back when he was working in Barack Obama's administration, the focus was strictly on property damage since nobody had died yet.
As far as moral responsibility goes, you can't really hold someone accountable if there wasn't any intent behind it—he definitely didn't go out looking to take anyone's life.
So, there's really no reason why he shouldn't just get back to his job like he was doing before, and we'll just have to let the court decide what happens regarding the accident.

bluerider63 said:I honestly don't see how a car accident has anything to do with someone's political career; they're two completely different worlds. He even pointed out that back when he was working in Barack Obama's administration, the focus was strictly on property damage since nobody had died yet.
As far as moral responsibility goes, you can't really hold someone accountable if there wasn't any intent behind it—he definitely didn't go out looking to take anyone's life.
So, there's really no reason why he shouldn't just get back to his job like he was doing before, and we'll just have to let the court decide what happens regarding the accident.

Then he lied. One person died, and another was dying.

Roger Hughes14 said:Are you talking about R. Čačić?
You probably wanted Bandić's resignation when he drove drunk, and I think he should have stepped down. He was drunk behind the wheel, while Čačić drives too fast; the end result could be the same... dead people.
Čičin-Šainka tried to run over police officers, and nothing happened...

Hold on, Bandić was intoxicated and fled the scene of an accident, which means he willfully and intentionally broke the law. Čačić isn't... even if Čačić isn't particularly likable, in this specific instance, he has actually behaved quite correctly so far...

Roger Hughes14 said:Then he lied. One person died, and another was dying.

And how would you know that, anyway? You were there at the hospital or something?

Roger Hughes14 said:Where does it end? Let's say we take that bolded part into account, and Cacic gets some kind of "penalty." Are we going to tolerate him if he keeps killing people in the future? George W. Bush lost his standing because of how he legally attacked and killed people in Iraq.
His behavior in this situation shows how little he values human life or feels any solidarity with the families of the victims. I believe those families could clearly see his celebration during the results reception, so there was no way any of Cacic's condolences or apologies would have meant anything.

Comparing Čačić to Bush just doesn't hold water; you're oversimplifying things way too much. Čačić will likely face significant penalties, and honestly, he should probably lose his driver's license for life (though I'm not familiar with your specific laws, so I don't know if that's even an option).
As for the second point, I think Zeljko explained clearly what happened and when Čačić was actually celebrating. Plus, I could easily get behind MishkaPishka's stance.
Look, I don't know Čačić or his track record personally, but as a matter of principle, this shouldn't be enough to end a political career. Ultimately, that decision belongs solely to the voters.

Who even cares? Honestly, this is completely irrelevant. The real issue here is the scandalous double standards running through almost every media outlet out there. In Čačić's case, they’re taking it to such an extreme—running these stories about his profound repentance, the dramatic weight loss caused by grief, his period of contemplative isolation, the outpouring of support from friends, the solidarity from colleagues... it's a lot. Meanwhile, we all know how diametrically opposed the "coverage" is when it comes to other public figures, especially if they hold particularly objectionable views or come from certain backgrounds. It's common knowledge at this point. Some people call it the media octopus.

Roger Hughes14 said:It’s obvious, it’s the same guy. This is about moral responsibility, regardless of whatever title he holds. The fact that he was celebrating in Barack Obama's campaign headquarters just proves there isn't a single thing he won't calculate for his own benefit.

Actually, it isn't the same...

The Democratic Party is basically set up as his own private little operation—he essentially built it himself...

As for those spots in HTS and HOO, he didn't earn them through merit; he was simply appointed...

Roger Hughes14 said:Are you talking about R. Čačić?
You probably wanted Bandić's resignation when he drove drunk, and I think he should have stepped down. He was drunk behind the wheel, while Čačić drives too fast; the end result could be the same... dead people.
Čičin-Šainka tried to run over police officers, and nothing happened...

So, you're one of those people who thinks they can play expert on speed estimates and predicting collisions, huh?

Interesting...

Roger Hughes14 said:Then he lied. One person died, and another was dying.

And what makes you think you actually know when he found out?

You’re lying too—the second person wasn't "fading"... they had been stable and out of critical danger for quite a while, and then, just because of some complications, they passed away...

Adam Collins4 said:Actually, it isn't the same...

The Democratic Party is basically set up as his own private little operation—he essentially built it himself...

As for those spots in HTS and HOO, he didn't earn them through merit; he was simply appointed...

Look, if he cited moral responsibility when leaving one role, he should have left the others for the exact same reason. Morality isn't selective.
With that bolded part, you actually proved my point; if he didn't get there directly, he can leave the same way (via moral responsibility)...

So, you're one of those people who plays guessing games about impact speeds and collisions?

Interesting...

Oh, please, you're splitting hairs. In this situation, both sides are potential killers. Would it be right if Bandić, God forbid, ran over two people while drunk and resigned from office out of moral responsibility? That's really all there is to it.

Wait, Bandić was drunk and fled the scene of the accident, he consciously and intentionally broke the law. Čačić wasn't... Čačić might not be the most likable guy, but in this specific case, he's actually behaving correctly so far...

A police officer stopped Bandić, he didn't flee. The officer lost his job shortly after. Disgraceful.

Roger Hughes14 said:Look, if he cited moral responsibility when leaving one role, he should have left the others for the exact same reason. Morality isn't selective.
With that bolded part, you actually proved my point; if he didn't get there directly, he can leave the same way (via moral responsibility)...

So, you're one of those people who plays guessing games about impact speeds and collisions?

Interesting...

Oh, please, you're splitting hairs. In this situation, both sides are potential killers. Would it be right if Bandić, God forbid, ran over two people while drunk and resigned from office out of moral responsibility? That's really all there is to it.

Wait, Bandić was drunk and fled the scene of the accident, he consciously and intentionally broke the law. Čačić wasn't... Čačić might not be the most likable guy, but in this specific case, he's actually behaving correctly so far...

A police officer stopped Bandić, he didn't flee. The officer lost his job shortly after. Disgraceful.

So, let me get this straight—if you had a private business and sat on various boards, would you just abandon everything? Both your job and your board seats?

Actually, after being pulled over, Bandić refused the breathalyzer, kept driving, and the cop didn't lose his job...

Why are you so hell-bent on pushing these lies?

Čačić is the president of the Democratic Party; he isn't holding a public office like Bandić was back when he served as Mayor...

And Čačić *is* stepping down from public duties... you're completely mixing up apples and oranges here.