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Should R. Čačić just step down from politics already?

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Roger Hughes14 Roger Hughes14 Member
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joined Mar 2012
#21 ·
You just won't listen to me... You think the Democratic Party is some private company owned by Čačić? It’s a public institution. There are members, there are supporters who aren't even members, and the party benefits from them. This isn't about whether it's a public service or running a political party... it's about moral responsibility. His actions could end up damaging the party's reputation.

The police officer who pulled over Bandić was fired, then eventually reinstated after a while.
redhawk76 redhawk76 Active Member
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joined May 2013
#22 ·
Adam Collins4 said:Actually, it isn't the same...

The Democratic Party is basically set up as his own private little operation—he essentially built it himself...

As for those spots in HTS and HOO, he didn't earn them through merit; he was simply appointed...

Adam Collins4 said:So, let me get this straight—if you had a private business and sat on various boards, would you just abandon everything? Both your job and your board seats?

Actually, after being pulled over, Bandić refused the breathalyzer, kept driving, and the cop didn't lose his job...

Why are you so hell-bent on pushing these lies?

Čačić is the president of the Democratic Party; he isn't holding a public office like Bandić was back when he served as Mayor...

And Čačić *is* stepping down from public duties... you're completely mixing up apples and oranges here.


To suggest that serving as a party chairman is merely a "private business" or a "private function" is quite a stretch. 😂 (Though, given how Čačić operates, it certainly feels like a private enterprise... 😉)

Please, spare us the nonsense; either present a credible source that supports this bizarre "classification of functions," or let's move on. 🤣
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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#23 ·
redhawk76 said:To suggest that serving as a party chairman is merely a "private business" or a "private function" is quite a stretch. 😂 (Though, given how Čačić operates, it certainly feels like a private enterprise... 😉)

Please, spare us the nonsense; either present a credible source that supports this bizarre "classification of functions," or let's move on. 🤣

Look, I’m talking specifically about Čačić's situation, not making sweeping generalizations about how political parties work in general...

The man set himself up and runs the whole thing like it's his own private corporation...

He climbed to that position through a completely different route than the people working at AT&T or HOO...
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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#24 ·
Roger Hughes14 said:You just won't listen to me... You think the Democratic Party is some private company owned by Čačić? It’s a public institution. There are members, there are supporters who aren't even members, and the party benefits from them. This isn't about whether it's a public service or running a political party... it's about moral responsibility. His actions could end up damaging the party's reputation.

The police officer who pulled over Bandić was fired, then eventually reinstated after a while.

Party reputation? Give me a break...

He wasn't fired, he was suspended... those are two very different things—and there were already reports about it...
Roger Hughes14 Roger Hughes14 Member
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#25 ·
Starting another story here. Čačić and anyone else who ignores traffic laws—or any other rules, for that matter—should just step down from their positions. The Democratic Party isn't some private corporation, no matter how hard they try to make it feel that way.
Roger Hughes14 Roger Hughes14 Member
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#26 ·
Adam Collins4 said:Party reputation? Give me a break...

He wasn't fired, he was suspended... those are two very different things—and there were already reports about it...

If we were a sane nation, this would have hurt him;

- his constant arrogance
- the celebrations at Josipović's headquarters
- "only a prison cell can stop me"
- the Democratic Party itself, just by existing
- Vesnin's clans should be celebrating right now
- this will always be a wild card in internal party wars

....but we aren't a sane nation.
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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#27 ·
Look, if the party thinks he's completely blown it, they can always just slap him with a vote of no confidence... honestly, that shouldn't be much of an issue at all...
Jerry Cooper3 Jerry Cooper3 Member
38 messages
joined Oct 2011
#28 ·
I find myself perpetually circling this same, exhausting question, though I suppose I should probably apologize for the sheer length of my ruminations before I dive straight into the fray. Is it more egregious to deal with those incompetent politicians who leave nothing but chaos and carnage on our highways, or is the true rot found in those who orchestrate calculated theft, sprawling corruption, and systematic lying—those who go so far as to facilitate murder and then turn around to shield the killers from justice? It’s a heavy thought, one that leaves a bitter taste, and frankly, I'm not sure if there's any way to win when both sides seem to be failing the public in such fundamentally different, yet equally devastating, ways.

The whole situation surrounding Radimir Čačić has effectively uncapped a floodgate of moralizing hypocrisy within a society that—led by our own political class—has been fundamentally at odds with any semblance of ethics for quite some time now. It seems perfectly normal in this country for a convicted war criminal to hold a seat in Congress. We live in a reality where a man with twenty different criminal charges against him—someone who actually fled the scene of a hit-and-run accident—nearly ascended to the Presidency of the Republic. It is commonplace for the head of state to actively participate in concealing a fugitive from the ICTY. We see men accused of sexual assault being appointed to the Supreme Court, only for us to discover that those very Supreme Court justices haven't even paid their taxes. Even the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court will stand there and declare that an American is fundamentally incapable of committing a war crime. Then, we have presidential candidates whose entire net worth remains a complete mystery, or individuals who openly boast about how a politician simply must lie to get ahead. Or, perhaps most absurdly, we witness a presidential candidate in the runoff stage shamelessly accepting the endorsement of a man whose military units were notorious for war crimes, even if he personally escaped conviction.

The most popular female politician in the country was just stripped of an apartment that served as the tragic backdrop for her own family's heartbreak. The Department of Justice maintains everything was done strictly by the book, but I find myself wondering—is legality even remotely synonymous with morality? Then you have the newly elected President, who seemingly leveraged his newfound position to be among the very first to collect on claims from that failed savings bank. Once again, they tell us it was perfectly legal, yet one cannot help but question if it was truly just. We see former Prime Ministers and Vice Presidents allegedly playing fast and loose with shares in ExxonMobil and Kraft Heinz; the Department of Justice insists no laws were broken, but where does that leave our sense of ethics? It is the same pattern with the former Secretary of Transportation, Božidar Kalmeta, who escapes any criminal liability for the lives lost in that horrific train wreck, but what of his moral responsibility for the sheer negligence permitted under his watch?

In this country, we find ourselves erecting monuments to a first President who went out and purchased a massive estate on Nazorov Avenue just twenty-four hours before the legislation banning such moves actually took effect. Technically, he played it by the book, but one has to wonder about the underlying morality of the situation. And really, was it even ethical for our very first President—if we consider his actions to be "legal," as Smiljko Sokol would put it—to remain silent regarding that $30,000 surplus sitting untouched in a Chase account?

A decade ago, this entire nation was practically shaking in its boots over that whole "we are all Mirko Norac" sentiment—you know, the rallying cry for a man who was essentially a fugitive from justice, a war criminal who personally took civilian lives, and a commander who actively incited murder. And, if you want the truly twisted icing on the cake, he even caused a massive car accident and managed to use his political connections to sweep the whole thing under the rug. So, I find myself wondering, does a country with that kind of blood on its hands really have any right to sit up and lecture us about moral responsibility regarding Radimir Čačić? Does it actually possess the standing to act all high and mighty about his decision to stay in politics following his own traffic incident? It feels somewhat hypocritical, doesn't it?

It is truly fascinating, if somewhat exhausting, to observe how much America struggles to stomach the fact that a man who was involved in a tragic traffic accident resulting in two fatalities can still maintain a presence in the political arena. It seems we find this deeply offensive, yet, in a display of staggering hypocrisy that I find myself struggling to reconcile, the public remains perfectly comfortable with those in power—those holding the reins of the government, no less—who make a conscious, calculated choice to lie, to steal, and to flagrantly violate the law. We tolerate individuals who deliberately cover up their tracks and go so far as to romanticize murderers, dressing them up in the lofty titles of party "visionaries," all while actively assisting convicted war criminals in evading the reach of justice.

And now comes the inevitable wave of self-appointed critics, moralists, and those tiresome little busybodies who want to purge him from the political arena entirely. It’s truly exhausting to watch. They are attempting to castigate a man who actually demonstrated exactly how a public figure—or frankly, any individual with a shred of respect for the rule of law—is supposed to conduct themselves when things go sideways. He didn't vanish into thin air; he stayed at the scene of the accident, he was completely transparent about what transpired, he expressed genuine regret, and he explicitly stated that he would abide by whatever the court decides. Look, the fact remains that he technically broke the law, but let’s be clear: at no point did he act as if he were somehow untouchable or attempt to play games with the legal system. He showed accountability, which is more than I can say for the endless parade of American politicians, Supreme Court justices, and other high-ranking public officials we see constantly dodging responsibility. There is a massive difference between making a mistake and believing you are above the law, and it seems the moralizing crowd is too blinded by their own indignation to tell them apart.

Unlike those other individuals, Radimir Čačić is prepared to accept legal accountability, though strictly for matters that have absolutely nothing to do with his official public duties. He hasn't committed any illegal acts while serving in his political capacity; rather, he has simply fallen victim to something that could—or perhaps has already—happened to any one of us. And because of that, he will be held responsible. There is even the very real possibility that he might face prison time. He may well carry that stigma for the remainder of his political career, but at that point, he will ultimately have to answer to the voters and to the judgment of his own party.

Ultimately, I believe Čačić should have his driver's license revoked for life, but we shouldn't be demanding he vanish from politics forever over an incident that, frankly, has very little to do with his political career. Should a schoolteacher who causes a fatal accident involving pedestrians be forced to abandon her vocation forever simply because she set a poor example? Or perhaps we should expect a doctor who delivers a misdiagnosis, amputates the wrong limb, or even accidentally causes a patient's death, to walk away from medicine entirely?

In a nation where politicians flee from criminal accountability, let alone moral responsibility, the real question we face is whom we choose to trust: the politician who willfully flouts the law while in office, or the individual who committed a tragic violation behind the wheel? The loss of two lives is an absolute tragedy, and that weight will sit upon the soul of whoever is responsible, but it is—perhaps even more heinous—to witness the ordering of killings, the cover-ups facilitated by political power, the sponsorship of crimes from a podium, or the pervasive rot of corruption, criminality, and the systematic deception of the public. But above all else, the most egregious sin is hypocrisy.

I am speaking of the hypocrisy of those who excused war crimes simply because they were committed by Americans, of those who preached patriotism only to use it as a smokescreen for plunder, and of those who speak so benevolently about the morality of others while masterfully concealing their own.

Radimir Čačić is not the central figure in this broader narrative. He will answer for his actions: before the law, before the voters, and before the public eye. The truly significant figures are those who refuse to shoulder any criminal or moral responsibility whatsoever. Just as it is difficult to imagine how a man carrying the weight of two lives can continue in politics, it is even harder to fathom how those who carry the fates of us all can continue to hold office—and continue to moralize.
Roger Hughes14 Roger Hughes14 Member
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#29 ·
Jerry Cooper3 said:I find myself perpetually circling this same, exhausting question, though I suppose I should probably apologize for the sheer length of my ruminations before I dive straight into the fray. Is it more egregious to deal with those incompetent politicians who leave nothing but chaos and carnage on our highways, or is the true rot found in those who orchestrate calculated theft, sprawling corruption, and systematic lying—those who go so far as to facilitate murder and then turn around to shield the killers from justice? It’s a heavy thought, one that leaves a bitter taste, and frankly, I'm not sure if there's any way to win when both sides seem to be failing the public in such fundamentally different, yet equally devastating, ways.

The whole situation surrounding Radimir Čačić has effectively uncapped a floodgate of moralizing hypocrisy within a society that—led by our own political class—has been fundamentally at odds with any semblance of ethics for quite some time now. It seems perfectly normal in this country for a convicted war criminal to hold a seat in Congress. We live in a reality where a man with twenty different criminal charges against him—someone who actually fled the scene of a hit-and-run accident—nearly ascended to the Presidency of the Republic. It is commonplace for the head of state to actively participate in concealing a fugitive from the ICTY. We see men accused of sexual assault being appointed to the Supreme Court, only for us to discover that those very Supreme Court justices haven't even paid their taxes. Even the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court will stand there and declare that an American is fundamentally incapable of committing a war crime. Then, we have presidential candidates whose entire net worth remains a complete mystery, or individuals who openly boast about how a politician simply must lie to get ahead. Or, perhaps most absurdly, we witness a presidential candidate in the runoff stage shamelessly accepting the endorsement of a man whose military units were notorious for war crimes, even if he personally escaped conviction.

The most popular female politician in the country was just stripped of an apartment that served as the tragic backdrop for her own family's heartbreak. The Department of Justice maintains everything was done strictly by the book, but I find myself wondering—is legality even remotely synonymous with morality? Then you have the newly elected President, who seemingly leveraged his newfound position to be among the very first to collect on claims from that failed savings bank. Once again, they tell us it was perfectly legal, yet one cannot help but question if it was truly just. We see former Prime Ministers and Vice Presidents allegedly playing fast and loose with shares in ExxonMobil and Kraft Heinz; the Department of Justice insists no laws were broken, but where does that leave our sense of ethics? It is the same pattern with the former Secretary of Transportation, Božidar Kalmeta, who escapes any criminal liability for the lives lost in that horrific train wreck, but what of his moral responsibility for the sheer negligence permitted under his watch?

In this country, we find ourselves erecting monuments to a first President who went out and purchased a massive estate on Nazorov Avenue just twenty-four hours before the legislation banning such moves actually took effect. Technically, he played it by the book, but one has to wonder about the underlying morality of the situation. And really, was it even ethical for our very first President—if we consider his actions to be "legal," as Smiljko Sokol would put it—to remain silent regarding that $30,000 surplus sitting untouched in a Chase account?

A decade ago, this entire nation was practically shaking in its boots over that whole "we are all Mirko Norac" sentiment—you know, the rallying cry for a man who was essentially a fugitive from justice, a war criminal who personally took civilian lives, and a commander who actively incited murder. And, if you want the truly twisted icing on the cake, he even caused a massive car accident and managed to use his political connections to sweep the whole thing under the rug. So, I find myself wondering, does a country with that kind of blood on its hands really have any right to sit up and lecture us about moral responsibility regarding Radimir Čačić? Does it actually possess the standing to act all high and mighty about his decision to stay in politics following his own traffic incident? It feels somewhat hypocritical, doesn't it?

It is truly fascinating, if somewhat exhausting, to observe how much America struggles to stomach the fact that a man who was involved in a tragic traffic accident resulting in two fatalities can still maintain a presence in the political arena. It seems we find this deeply offensive, yet, in a display of staggering hypocrisy that I find myself struggling to reconcile, the public remains perfectly comfortable with those in power—those holding the reins of the government, no less—who make a conscious, calculated choice to lie, to steal, and to flagrantly violate the law. We tolerate individuals who deliberately cover up their tracks and go so far as to romanticize murderers, dressing them up in the lofty titles of party "visionaries," all while actively assisting convicted war criminals in evading the reach of justice.

And now comes the inevitable wave of self-appointed critics, moralists, and those tiresome little busybodies who want to purge him from the political arena entirely. It’s truly exhausting to watch. They are attempting to castigate a man who actually demonstrated exactly how a public figure—or frankly, any individual with a shred of respect for the rule of law—is supposed to conduct themselves when things go sideways. He didn't vanish into thin air; he stayed at the scene of the accident, he was completely transparent about what transpired, he expressed genuine regret, and he explicitly stated that he would abide by whatever the court decides. Look, the fact remains that he technically broke the law, but let’s be clear: at no point did he act as if he were somehow untouchable or attempt to play games with the legal system. He showed accountability, which is more than I can say for the endless parade of American politicians, Supreme Court justices, and other high-ranking public officials we see constantly dodging responsibility. There is a massive difference between making a mistake and believing you are above the law, and it seems the moralizing crowd is too blinded by their own indignation to tell them apart.

Unlike those other individuals, Radimir Čačić is prepared to accept legal accountability, though strictly for matters that have absolutely nothing to do with his official public duties. He hasn't committed any illegal acts while serving in his political capacity; rather, he has simply fallen victim to something that could—or perhaps has already—happened to any one of us. And because of that, he will be held responsible. There is even the very real possibility that he might face prison time. He may well carry that stigma for the remainder of his political career, but at that point, he will ultimately have to answer to the voters and to the judgment of his own party.

Ultimately, I believe Čačić should have his driver's license revoked for life, but we shouldn't be demanding he vanish from politics forever over an incident that, frankly, has very little to do with his political career. Should a schoolteacher who causes a fatal accident involving pedestrians be forced to abandon her vocation forever simply because she set a poor example? Or perhaps we should expect a doctor who delivers a misdiagnosis, amputates the wrong limb, or even accidentally causes a patient's death, to walk away from medicine entirely?

In a nation where politicians flee from criminal accountability, let alone moral responsibility, the real question we face is whom we choose to trust: the politician who willfully flouts the law while in office, or the individual who committed a tragic violation behind the wheel? The loss of two lives is an absolute tragedy, and that weight will sit upon the soul of whoever is responsible, but it is—perhaps even more heinous—to witness the ordering of killings, the cover-ups facilitated by political power, the sponsorship of crimes from a podium, or the pervasive rot of corruption, criminality, and the systematic deception of the public. But above all else, the most egregious sin is hypocrisy.

I am speaking of the hypocrisy of those who excused war crimes simply because they were committed by Americans, of those who preached patriotism only to use it as a smokescreen for plunder, and of those who speak so benevolently about the morality of others while masterfully concealing their own.

Radimir Čačić is not the central figure in this broader narrative. He will answer for his actions: before the law, before the voters, and before the public eye. The truly significant figures are those who refuse to shoulder any criminal or moral responsibility whatsoever. Just as it is difficult to imagine how a man carrying the weight of two lives can continue in politics, it is even harder to fathom how those who carry the fates of us all can continue to hold office—and continue to moralize.

What kind of nonsense is this? That villa in Nazorov's neighborhood was bought back in the 60s, and under the laws at the time, he wouldn't even have had to disclose those $210,000. That money is clean...
shadowbison15 shadowbison15 Member
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joined Mar 2008
#30 ·
Jerry Cooper3 said:I find myself perpetually circling this same, exhausting question, though I suppose I should probably apologize for the sheer length of my ruminations before I dive straight into the fray. Is it more egregious to deal with those incompetent politicians who leave nothing but chaos and carnage on our highways, or is the true rot found in those who orchestrate calculated theft, sprawling corruption, and systematic lying—those who go so far as to facilitate murder and then turn around to shield the killers from justice? It’s a heavy thought, one that leaves a bitter taste, and frankly, I'm not sure if there's any way to win when both sides seem to be failing the public in such fundamentally different, yet equally devastating, ways.

The whole situation surrounding Radimir Čačić has effectively uncapped a floodgate of moralizing hypocrisy within a society that—led by our own political class—has been fundamentally at odds with any semblance of ethics for quite some time now. It seems perfectly normal in this country for a convicted war criminal to hold a seat in Congress. We live in a reality where a man with twenty different criminal charges against him—someone who actually fled the scene of a hit-and-run accident—nearly ascended to the Presidency of the Republic. It is commonplace for the head of state to actively participate in concealing a fugitive from the ICTY. We see men accused of sexual assault being appointed to the Supreme Court, only for us to discover that those very Supreme Court justices haven't even paid their taxes. Even the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court will stand there and declare that an American is fundamentally incapable of committing a war crime. Then, we have presidential candidates whose entire net worth remains a complete mystery, or individuals who openly boast about how a politician simply must lie to get ahead. Or, perhaps most absurdly, we witness a presidential candidate in the runoff stage shamelessly accepting the endorsement of a man whose military units were notorious for war crimes, even if he personally escaped conviction.

The most popular female politician in the country was just stripped of an apartment that served as the tragic backdrop for her own family's heartbreak. The Department of Justice maintains everything was done strictly by the book, but I find myself wondering—is legality even remotely synonymous with morality? Then you have the newly elected President, who seemingly leveraged his newfound position to be among the very first to collect on claims from that failed savings bank. Once again, they tell us it was perfectly legal, yet one cannot help but question if it was truly just. We see former Prime Ministers and Vice Presidents allegedly playing fast and loose with shares in ExxonMobil and Kraft Heinz; the Department of Justice insists no laws were broken, but where does that leave our sense of ethics? It is the same pattern with the former Secretary of Transportation, Božidar Kalmeta, who escapes any criminal liability for the lives lost in that horrific train wreck, but what of his moral responsibility for the sheer negligence permitted under his watch?

In this country, we find ourselves erecting monuments to a first President who went out and purchased a massive estate on Nazorov Avenue just twenty-four hours before the legislation banning such moves actually took effect. Technically, he played it by the book, but one has to wonder about the underlying morality of the situation. And really, was it even ethical for our very first President—if we consider his actions to be "legal," as Smiljko Sokol would put it—to remain silent regarding that $30,000 surplus sitting untouched in a Chase account?

A decade ago, this entire nation was practically shaking in its boots over that whole "we are all Mirko Norac" sentiment—you know, the rallying cry for a man who was essentially a fugitive from justice, a war criminal who personally took civilian lives, and a commander who actively incited murder. And, if you want the truly twisted icing on the cake, he even caused a massive car accident and managed to use his political connections to sweep the whole thing under the rug. So, I find myself wondering, does a country with that kind of blood on its hands really have any right to sit up and lecture us about moral responsibility regarding Radimir Čačić? Does it actually possess the standing to act all high and mighty about his decision to stay in politics following his own traffic incident? It feels somewhat hypocritical, doesn't it?

It is truly fascinating, if somewhat exhausting, to observe how much America struggles to stomach the fact that a man who was involved in a tragic traffic accident resulting in two fatalities can still maintain a presence in the political arena. It seems we find this deeply offensive, yet, in a display of staggering hypocrisy that I find myself struggling to reconcile, the public remains perfectly comfortable with those in power—those holding the reins of the government, no less—who make a conscious, calculated choice to lie, to steal, and to flagrantly violate the law. We tolerate individuals who deliberately cover up their tracks and go so far as to romanticize murderers, dressing them up in the lofty titles of party "visionaries," all while actively assisting convicted war criminals in evading the reach of justice.

And now comes the inevitable wave of self-appointed critics, moralists, and those tiresome little busybodies who want to purge him from the political arena entirely. It’s truly exhausting to watch. They are attempting to castigate a man who actually demonstrated exactly how a public figure—or frankly, any individual with a shred of respect for the rule of law—is supposed to conduct themselves when things go sideways. He didn't vanish into thin air; he stayed at the scene of the accident, he was completely transparent about what transpired, he expressed genuine regret, and he explicitly stated that he would abide by whatever the court decides. Look, the fact remains that he technically broke the law, but let’s be clear: at no point did he act as if he were somehow untouchable or attempt to play games with the legal system. He showed accountability, which is more than I can say for the endless parade of American politicians, Supreme Court justices, and other high-ranking public officials we see constantly dodging responsibility. There is a massive difference between making a mistake and believing you are above the law, and it seems the moralizing crowd is too blinded by their own indignation to tell them apart.

Unlike those other individuals, Radimir Čačić is prepared to accept legal accountability, though strictly for matters that have absolutely nothing to do with his official public duties. He hasn't committed any illegal acts while serving in his political capacity; rather, he has simply fallen victim to something that could—or perhaps has already—happened to any one of us. And because of that, he will be held responsible. There is even the very real possibility that he might face prison time. He may well carry that stigma for the remainder of his political career, but at that point, he will ultimately have to answer to the voters and to the judgment of his own party.

Ultimately, I believe Čačić should have his driver's license revoked for life, but we shouldn't be demanding he vanish from politics forever over an incident that, frankly, has very little to do with his political career. Should a schoolteacher who causes a fatal accident involving pedestrians be forced to abandon her vocation forever simply because she set a poor example? Or perhaps we should expect a doctor who delivers a misdiagnosis, amputates the wrong limb, or even accidentally causes a patient's death, to walk away from medicine entirely?

In a nation where politicians flee from criminal accountability, let alone moral responsibility, the real question we face is whom we choose to trust: the politician who willfully flouts the law while in office, or the individual who committed a tragic violation behind the wheel? The loss of two lives is an absolute tragedy, and that weight will sit upon the soul of whoever is responsible, but it is—perhaps even more heinous—to witness the ordering of killings, the cover-ups facilitated by political power, the sponsorship of crimes from a podium, or the pervasive rot of corruption, criminality, and the systematic deception of the public. But above all else, the most egregious sin is hypocrisy.

I am speaking of the hypocrisy of those who excused war crimes simply because they were committed by Americans, of those who preached patriotism only to use it as a smokescreen for plunder, and of those who speak so benevolently about the morality of others while masterfully concealing their own.

Radimir Čačić is not the central figure in this broader narrative. He will answer for his actions: before the law, before the voters, and before the public eye. The truly significant figures are those who refuse to shoulder any criminal or moral responsibility whatsoever. Just as it is difficult to imagine how a man carrying the weight of two lives can continue in politics, it is even harder to fathom how those who carry the fates of us all can continue to hold office—and continue to moralize.

Brilliant post. Seriously, this applies to almost every country in the region. Bravo.
I think there's a mistake in the bolded section, though. In my opinion, mistakes like that result in losing a medical license. At least they should. Otherwise,👍
swiftwalker43 swiftwalker43 Member
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joined Apr 2011
#31 ·
bluerider63 said:I honestly don't see how a car accident has anything to do with someone's political career; they're two completely different worlds. He even pointed out that back when he was working in Barack Obama's administration, the focus was strictly on property damage since nobody had died yet.
As far as moral responsibility goes, you can't really hold someone accountable if there wasn't any intent behind it—he definitely didn't go out looking to take anyone's life.
So, there's really no reason why he shouldn't just get back to his job like he was doing before, and we'll just have to let the court decide what happens regarding the accident.

Bravo, you really are a genius. Following that logic, I don't know why people keep bringing up Kalmeta or demanding he be held accountable; the man was involved in a train derailment near Miami where six people died, yet he wasn't driving the train, nor was he the one spilling hazardous liquids onto the tracks. Where does this double standard come from? If we try to force immediate or command responsibility onto Kalmeta, then we have to ask the same question regarding Čačić's direct responsibility for the deaths of those two human beings.
Regarding your other bolded point, bravo once again. It's a good thing you aren't drafting our traffic laws, because by your standards, if someone causes a fatal accident, they could probably just give a statement to the police saying they didn't intend for it to happen and that they were driving in good faith to get from point A to point B, and suddenly all responsibility vanishes and they're a free man.
Since it seems the media here is dominated by the idea that poor old Čačić is innocent—having "accidentally" caused a crash that killed two people—maybe we should just start a petition across the entire US asking the Canadian judiciary to drop all criminal proceedings
because, hey, he didn't mean for it to happen, and accidents can happen to anyone, right?
After that, all that's left is to hope that next time someone shows off behind the wheel, they don't cause a wreck involving a bus full of children—God forbid one of those kids belongs to one of these fierce defenders and apologists of Čačić. Then, perhaps, they'll finally stay consistent regarding Čačić's responsibility and guilt.
It's pathetic. We've forgotten the actual victims here, that married couple who no longer share a reality with Čačić—namely, life itself. And yet, we still sit here wondering where the world is headed.
Poor Čačić... boo hoo... you people are truly sad.
redhawk76 redhawk76 Active Member
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joined May 2013
#32 ·
shadowbison15 said:Brilliant post. Seriously, this applies to almost every country in the region. Bravo.
I think there's a mistake in the bolded section, though. In my opinion, mistakes like that result in losing a medical license. At least they should. Otherwise,👍

That isn't a post; it’s just transcription.

An honest person, if they lack the technical skill to include a link or simply intend to share a snippet of text here, will always make sure to credit the author or the source.

As it stands, the text itself is nothing more than pure, unadulterated demagoguery.
swiftwalker43 swiftwalker43 Member
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#33 ·
Jerry Cooper3 said:I find myself perpetually circling this same, exhausting question, though I suppose I should probably apologize for the sheer length of my ruminations before I dive straight into the fray. Is it more egregious to deal with those incompetent politicians who leave nothing but chaos and carnage on our highways, or is the true rot found in those who orchestrate calculated theft, sprawling corruption, and systematic lying—those who go so far as to facilitate murder and then turn around to shield the killers from justice? It’s a heavy thought, one that leaves a bitter taste, and frankly, I'm not sure if there's any way to win when both sides seem to be failing the public in such fundamentally different, yet equally devastating, ways.

The whole situation surrounding Radimir Čačić has effectively uncapped a floodgate of moralizing hypocrisy within a society that—led by our own political class—has been fundamentally at odds with any semblance of ethics for quite some time now. It seems perfectly normal in this country for a convicted war criminal to hold a seat in Congress. We live in a reality where a man with twenty different criminal charges against him—someone who actually fled the scene of a hit-and-run accident—nearly ascended to the Presidency of the Republic. It is commonplace for the head of state to actively participate in concealing a fugitive from the ICTY. We see men accused of sexual assault being appointed to the Supreme Court, only for us to discover that those very Supreme Court justices haven't even paid their taxes. Even the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court will stand there and declare that an American is fundamentally incapable of committing a war crime. Then, we have presidential candidates whose entire net worth remains a complete mystery, or individuals who openly boast about how a politician simply must lie to get ahead. Or, perhaps most absurdly, we witness a presidential candidate in the runoff stage shamelessly accepting the endorsement of a man whose military units were notorious for war crimes, even if he personally escaped conviction.

The most popular female politician in the country was just stripped of an apartment that served as the tragic backdrop for her own family's heartbreak. The Department of Justice maintains everything was done strictly by the book, but I find myself wondering—is legality even remotely synonymous with morality? Then you have the newly elected President, who seemingly leveraged his newfound position to be among the very first to collect on claims from that failed savings bank. Once again, they tell us it was perfectly legal, yet one cannot help but question if it was truly just. We see former Prime Ministers and Vice Presidents allegedly playing fast and loose with shares in ExxonMobil and Kraft Heinz; the Department of Justice insists no laws were broken, but where does that leave our sense of ethics? It is the same pattern with the former Secretary of Transportation, Božidar Kalmeta, who escapes any criminal liability for the lives lost in that horrific train wreck, but what of his moral responsibility for the sheer negligence permitted under his watch?

In this country, we find ourselves erecting monuments to a first President who went out and purchased a massive estate on Nazorov Avenue just twenty-four hours before the legislation banning such moves actually took effect. Technically, he played it by the book, but one has to wonder about the underlying morality of the situation. And really, was it even ethical for our very first President—if we consider his actions to be "legal," as Smiljko Sokol would put it—to remain silent regarding that $30,000 surplus sitting untouched in a Chase account?

A decade ago, this entire nation was practically shaking in its boots over that whole "we are all Mirko Norac" sentiment—you know, the rallying cry for a man who was essentially a fugitive from justice, a war criminal who personally took civilian lives, and a commander who actively incited murder. And, if you want the truly twisted icing on the cake, he even caused a massive car accident and managed to use his political connections to sweep the whole thing under the rug. So, I find myself wondering, does a country with that kind of blood on its hands really have any right to sit up and lecture us about moral responsibility regarding Radimir Čačić? Does it actually possess the standing to act all high and mighty about his decision to stay in politics following his own traffic incident? It feels somewhat hypocritical, doesn't it?

It is truly fascinating, if somewhat exhausting, to observe how much America struggles to stomach the fact that a man who was involved in a tragic traffic accident resulting in two fatalities can still maintain a presence in the political arena. It seems we find this deeply offensive, yet, in a display of staggering hypocrisy that I find myself struggling to reconcile, the public remains perfectly comfortable with those in power—those holding the reins of the government, no less—who make a conscious, calculated choice to lie, to steal, and to flagrantly violate the law. We tolerate individuals who deliberately cover up their tracks and go so far as to romanticize murderers, dressing them up in the lofty titles of party "visionaries," all while actively assisting convicted war criminals in evading the reach of justice.

And now comes the inevitable wave of self-appointed critics, moralists, and those tiresome little busybodies who want to purge him from the political arena entirely. It’s truly exhausting to watch. They are attempting to castigate a man who actually demonstrated exactly how a public figure—or frankly, any individual with a shred of respect for the rule of law—is supposed to conduct themselves when things go sideways. He didn't vanish into thin air; he stayed at the scene of the accident, he was completely transparent about what transpired, he expressed genuine regret, and he explicitly stated that he would abide by whatever the court decides. Look, the fact remains that he technically broke the law, but let’s be clear: at no point did he act as if he were somehow untouchable or attempt to play games with the legal system. He showed accountability, which is more than I can say for the endless parade of American politicians, Supreme Court justices, and other high-ranking public officials we see constantly dodging responsibility. There is a massive difference between making a mistake and believing you are above the law, and it seems the moralizing crowd is too blinded by their own indignation to tell them apart.

Unlike those other individuals, Radimir Čačić is prepared to accept legal accountability, though strictly for matters that have absolutely nothing to do with his official public duties. He hasn't committed any illegal acts while serving in his political capacity; rather, he has simply fallen victim to something that could—or perhaps has already—happened to any one of us. And because of that, he will be held responsible. There is even the very real possibility that he might face prison time. He may well carry that stigma for the remainder of his political career, but at that point, he will ultimately have to answer to the voters and to the judgment of his own party.

Ultimately, I believe Čačić should have his driver's license revoked for life, but we shouldn't be demanding he vanish from politics forever over an incident that, frankly, has very little to do with his political career. Should a schoolteacher who causes a fatal accident involving pedestrians be forced to abandon her vocation forever simply because she set a poor example? Or perhaps we should expect a doctor who delivers a misdiagnosis, amputates the wrong limb, or even accidentally causes a patient's death, to walk away from medicine entirely?

In a nation where politicians flee from criminal accountability, let alone moral responsibility, the real question we face is whom we choose to trust: the politician who willfully flouts the law while in office, or the individual who committed a tragic violation behind the wheel? The loss of two lives is an absolute tragedy, and that weight will sit upon the soul of whoever is responsible, but it is—perhaps even more heinous—to witness the ordering of killings, the cover-ups facilitated by political power, the sponsorship of crimes from a podium, or the pervasive rot of corruption, criminality, and the systematic deception of the public. But above all else, the most egregious sin is hypocrisy.

I am speaking of the hypocrisy of those who excused war crimes simply because they were committed by Americans, of those who preached patriotism only to use it as a smokescreen for plunder, and of those who speak so benevolently about the morality of others while masterfully concealing their own.

Radimir Čačić is not the central figure in this broader narrative. He will answer for his actions: before the law, before the voters, and before the public eye. The truly significant figures are those who refuse to shoulder any criminal or moral responsibility whatsoever. Just as it is difficult to imagine how a man carrying the weight of two lives can continue in politics, it is even harder to fathom how those who carry the fates of us all can continue to hold office—and continue to moralize.

Jerry Cooper3, if you're going to plagiarize other people's writing, the least you can do is cite your sources.🤣
Secondly, the author wrote a mountain of lies (in bold) and shows zero respect for the basic principles of a constitutional republic that they claim to support.
Even if everything the author wrote regarding the Klauški case were true, it's impossible to condemn one person in a comment while trying to absolve or provide an alibi for someone like Čačić. It only serves to confirm the thesis of that last bolded sentence in the comment—that the author themselves is the most terrifyingly hypocritical part of this whole thing.
Kevin Gonzalez79 Kevin Gonzalez79 Active Member
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#34 ·
Roger Hughes14 said:What kind of nonsense is this? That villa in Nazorov's neighborhood was bought back in the 60s, and under the laws at the time, he wouldn't even have had to disclose those $210,000. That money is clean...

Are you joking, or are you just so young that you have no memory of how the buyout of that Nazorov Avenue villa actually went down?

So, it was bought in the 60s? 😂

That villa originally belonged to some Jewish families who were killed during WWII; the property was then nationalized, and Franjo, acting as a distinguished general, was granted tenancy rights to one floor of the house.

On another floor lived Mr. Vranjican, who I believe was an executive for the railway.
Now, since the post-transition administration had to find a way to buy it out—and a law was about to be passed stating that nationalized property could no longer be repurchased at favorable rates—Franjo pulled a fast one. Just ONE day before the law changed, he moved the Vranjicans out (buying them an apartment over by the Star district, 🤷 though I'm not sure where that money came from) and then bought out the ENTIRE VILLA. To top it off, all the renovations and the perimeter wall work were done using taxpayer funds, naturally.
Kevin Gonzalez79 Kevin Gonzalez79 Active Member
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#35 ·
swiftwalker43 said:Jerry Cooper3, if you're going to plagiarize other people's writing, the least you can do is cite your sources.🤣
Secondly, the author wrote a mountain of lies (in bold) and shows zero respect for the basic principles of a constitutional republic that they claim to support.
Even if everything the author wrote regarding the Klauški case were true, it's impossible to condemn one person in a comment while trying to absolve or provide an alibi for someone like Čačić. It only serves to confirm the thesis of that last bolded sentence in the comment—that the author themselves is the most terrifyingly hypocritical part of this whole thing.

I believe Klauški was trying to highlight the distinction between intentional criminal acts committed by politicians—for which resignations are rarely demanded—and the political accountability surrounding Čačić's traffic accident, for which he is being pressured to step down. Read the text again; it actually makes sense.

I honestly don't understand why a traffic accident lacking clear criminal intent (such as DUI or fleeing from the police) must be tied back to a political party. Čačić doesn't even hold a government office; he simply leads a party. He isn't part of the Government, a ministry, or any civil service role.
Charles Martin2 Charles Martin2 Active Member
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#36 ·
redhawk76 said:To suggest that serving as a party chairman is merely a "private business" or a "private function" is quite a stretch. 😂 (Though, given how Čačić operates, it certainly feels like a private enterprise... 😉)

Please, spare us the nonsense; either present a credible source that supports this bizarre "classification of functions," or let's move on. 🤣



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Look at this guy, an absolute expert on classifications and legal rulings!!!!

People are too quick to celebrate when they shouldn't be cheering for someone like Lin Cervar!!!

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It's easy to call everyone else a liar when
you don't have a clue what you're talking about and zero proof to back it up!!!


granitemarlin77 granitemarlin77 Active Member
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#37 ·
Yesterday, Stanković hit him with the question: "What happens when the final verdict actually hands down a prison sentence?" And how does Čačić respond? Basically, he's like, "Hey, community service is an option too, right? Besides, I'm doing this for the greater good of society." 🙂 🙂 🙂
Charles Martin2 Charles Martin2 Active Member
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#38 ·
granitemarlin77 said:Yesterday, Stanković hit him with the question: "What happens when the final verdict actually hands down a prison sentence?" And how does Čačić respond? Basically, he's like, "Hey, community service is an option too, right? Besides, I'm doing this for the greater good of society." 🙂 🙂 🙂



Was he talking about his driving or his PRIVATE political career!?
Austin Gonzalez13 Austin Gonzalez13 Member
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#39 ·
Linking a traffic violation—which, unfortunately, carries the worst possible consequences for both a career and personal life—to political standing is, at the very least, a biased way to look at things.

I mean, let’s say Radimir Čačić was the CEO of some private bank; would he be expected to step down then, too? Or does this rule only apply when someone is a politician?

And honestly, you can't even compare this to a Cabinet Secretary resigning just because something went sideways within their specific sector...
Charles Martin2 Charles Martin2 Active Member
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#40 ·
Austin Gonzalez13 said:Linking a traffic violation—which, unfortunately, carries the worst possible consequences for both a career and personal life—to political standing is, at the very least, a biased way to look at things.

I mean, let’s say Radimir Čačić was the CEO of some private bank; would he be expected to step down then, too? Or does this rule only apply when someone is a politician?

And honestly, you can't even compare this to a Cabinet Secretary resigning just because something went sideways within their specific sector...


Let's start comparing someone's marriage to public dating
since we can do it with a private bank too!!
Should Čačić get a divorce then?!

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Or, say, if Čačić hits his own private wife
should he quit politics then!?

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