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Should R. Čačić just step down from politics already?

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Charles Martin2 Charles Martin2 Active Member
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#221 ·

Cacic caused the deaths of two people
manslaughter should be on the table here
everyone in public office needs to resign immediately
plus he needs to lose his driver's license for good
he's a danger on the road
a car in hands like that is basically a weapon!
darkfox5 darkfox5 Member
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#222 ·
Charles Martin2 said:

Cacic caused the deaths of two people
manslaughter should be on the table here
everyone in public office needs to resign immediately
plus he needs to lose his driver's license for good
he's a danger on the road
a car in hands like that is basically a weapon!

...and honestly, there isn't much else to say about it. 🙂
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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#223 ·
Charles Martin2 said:

Cacic caused the deaths of two people
manslaughter should be on the table here
everyone in public office needs to resign immediately
plus he needs to lose his driver's license for good
he's a danger on the road
a car in hands like that is basically a weapon!

He'll face trial for a fatal traffic accident—that's how they usually phrase it in the legal system, I think, or something close to that...

He actually submitted his resignation for part of his duties, but it was rejected... what's your take on that?

And the verdict will likely include a driving ban, which usually runs anywhere from two to five years...
granitemarlin77 granitemarlin77 Active Member
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#224 ·
Charles Martin2 said:

Cacic caused the deaths of two people
manslaughter should be on the table here
everyone in public office needs to resign immediately
plus he needs to lose his driver's license for good
he's a danger on the road
a car in hands like that is basically a weapon!

Short and sweet.👍
aside from the typos.☕
Scott Cox28 Scott Cox28 Newcomer
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#225 ·
By now, we should have established that the car from Canada didn't hit a guardrail first and swerve into Čačić, nor was it reversing into Čačić's vehicle. Essentially, Čačić caused the accident that claimed two lives. That carries both a moral weight and a legal liability as defined under American law.
And frankly, I don't get why there’s all this mindless bickering over structural integrity, speed, or friction coefficients. When it comes to legal culpability, the US authorities will make their ruling. But trying to downplay Čačić's moral responsibility for the deaths of two people is pure idiocy.
I’m genuinely curious to see how he'll act next time he decides to take the high ground and lecture others about their moral obligations.
The resignation is a complete joke. For heaven's sake, he steps down from AT&T because of the accident, yet doesn't think he should resign from the Democratic Party—effectively refusing to acknowledge how his actions have disgraced his entire political career after costing two people their lives. Now I see why he only quit at AT&T. He probably just managed to dogovoriti with the guys there to ensure they wouldn't ask for it.
What a piece of work.
bluerider63 bluerider63 Regular
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#226 ·
Scott Cox28 said:By now, we should have established that the car from Canada didn't hit a guardrail first and swerve into Čačić, nor was it reversing into Čačić's vehicle. Essentially, Čačić caused the accident that claimed two lives. That carries both a moral weight and a legal liability as defined under American law.
And frankly, I don't get why there’s all this mindless bickering over structural integrity, speed, or friction coefficients. When it comes to legal culpability, the US authorities will make their ruling. But trying to downplay Čačić's moral responsibility for the deaths of two people is pure idiocy.
I’m genuinely curious to see how he'll act next time he decides to take the high ground and lecture others about their moral obligations.
The resignation is a complete joke. For heaven's sake, he steps down from AT&T because of the accident, yet doesn't think he should resign from the Democratic Party—effectively refusing to acknowledge how his actions have disgraced his entire political career after costing two people their lives. Now I see why he only quit at AT&T. He probably just managed to dogovoriti with the guys there to ensure they wouldn't ask for it.
What a piece of work.

Then you go ahead and explain to me how someone can be held "morally responsible" if there wasn't even an intention to do it in the first place?
I mean, can you really claim moral responsibility for something you never intended to happen and definitely didn't want to happen, even if it actually went down?
Nicole Murphy Nicole Murphy Newcomer
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#227 ·
It’s obvious why he stepped down from his role at AT&T—he actually feels some sense of moral responsibility there. But when it comes to leading the Democratic Party? He couldn't care less. 🤷
Jonathan Williams46 Jonathan Williams46 Newcomer
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#228 ·
Man, Čačić... who even cares about him? The guy's loaded. He’s sitting on nearly 100 million euros, so why would he give a damn about us? If he doesn't end up behind bars now, he definitely will later for how much he ripped everyone off.
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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#229 ·
Nicole Murphy said:It’s obvious why he stepped down from his role at AT&T—he actually feels some sense of moral responsibility there. But when it comes to leading the Democratic Party? He couldn't care less. 🤷

That resignation is going to become permanent—basically automatic—once the courts in Canada kick off their legal proceedings against him. In other words, the moment the indictment actually hits the table...
Nicole Murphy Nicole Murphy Newcomer
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#230 ·
Look, this isn't about whether Čačić wants to step down; it’s about what the courts decide. If that happens, he can't hide behind some "moral responsibility" excuse for his resignation.

Cacic caused the deaths of two people.
That's basically manslaughter at this point.
He needs to resign from every single public position he holds.
And he definitely needs to lose his driver's license.
The guy is a legitimate danger on the road.
A car in the hands of someone like him is nothing short of a lethal weapon!

Amen!
Scott Cox28 Scott Cox28 Newcomer
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#231 ·
bluerider63 said:Then you go ahead and explain to me how someone can be held "morally responsible" if there wasn't even an intention to do it in the first place?
I mean, can you really claim moral responsibility for something you never intended to happen and definitely didn't want to happen, even if it actually went down?

What makes you think that's how it works?
Are you not morally responsible for the consequences of your actions?
Shouldn't you feel a sense of moral weight if your actions result in the death of two people? Sure, the legal system determines whether you are legally liable, but moral responsibility isn't just some carbon copy of a courtroom verdict.
And this logic you're pushing—this "am I morally responsible if I did something I didn't mean to, oh well, it happened" routine—that isn't just a question of ethics; it’s a legal one too. Have you ever heard of involuntary manslaughter? You aren't just morally at fault; you're legally on the hook.
Your moral code is certainly an interesting one.
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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#232 ·
Nicole Murphy said:Look, this isn't about whether Čačić wants to step down; it’s about what the courts decide. If that happens, he can't hide behind some "moral responsibility" excuse for his resignation.

Cacic caused the deaths of two people.
That's basically manslaughter at this point.
He needs to resign from every single public position he holds.
And he definitely needs to lose his driver's license.
The guy is a legitimate danger on the road.
A car in the hands of someone like him is nothing short of a lethal weapon!

Amen!

nope, the court decision doesn't change a thing... a judge can't actually force him to step down...

Charles Martin2, is that you?>
Nicole Murphy Nicole Murphy Newcomer
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#233 ·
Look, I'm not saying it's a direct court matter—that’s out of their jurisdiction—but an irrevocable resignation would be the inevitable fallout here.

It wasn't Vito, it was someone else. 😁
Charles Martin2 Charles Martin2 Active Member
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#234 ·
granitemarlin77 said:Short and sweet.👍
aside from the typos.☕


If there are any, they're just spelling errors!
I get the participant thing, but he's not even an attendee!😁
Someone needs to clear this up for me!


Scott Cox28 said:By now, we should have established that the car from Canada didn't hit a guardrail first and swerve into Čačić, nor was it reversing into Čačić's vehicle. Essentially, Čačić caused the accident that claimed two lives. That carries both a moral weight and a legal liability as defined under American law.
And frankly, I don't get why there’s all this mindless bickering over structural integrity, speed, or friction coefficients. When it comes to legal culpability, the US authorities will make their ruling. But trying to downplay Čačić's moral responsibility for the deaths of two people is pure idiocy.
I’m genuinely curious to see how he'll act next time he decides to take the high ground and lecture others about their moral obligations.
The resignation is a complete joke. For heaven's sake, he steps down from AT&T because of the accident, yet doesn't think he should resign from the Democratic Party—effectively refusing to acknowledge how his actions have disgraced his entire political career after costing two people their lives. Now I see why he only quit at AT&T. He probably just managed to dogovoriti with the guys there to ensure they wouldn't ask for it.
What a piece of work.


The guy who won't even give an irrevocable resignation!!!
He's too scared to lead, ever since Vlasta wanted to screw over Bandic
and especially after Jadranka zezniti Sanders!!
Imagine what Vesna ucini Cacica
if he actually tried to be a leader in HNS!!!
She'd make him pay for "all these years"!!


bluerider63 said:Then you go ahead and explain to me how someone can be held "morally responsible" if there wasn't even an intention to do it in the first place?
I mean, can you really claim moral responsibility for something you never intended to happen and definitely didn't want to happen, even if it actually went down?


It's not just moral—it's manslaughter!!

The guy who lectures everyone and acts like some big-shot international statesman
should have stepped down permanently before anyone even found out!!!
Charles Martin2 Charles Martin2 Active Member
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#235 ·
Nicole Murphy said:Look, I'm not saying it's a direct court matter—that’s out of their jurisdiction—but an irrevocable resignation would be the inevitable fallout here.

It wasn't Vito, it was someone else. 😁


Is that my line
just some cash for me!!

🙂
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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#236 ·
Nicole Murphy said:Look, I'm not saying it's a direct court matter—that’s out of their jurisdiction—but an irrevocable resignation would be the inevitable fallout here.

It wasn't Vito, it was someone else. 😁

If I'm remembering the sports law correctly, anyone facing criminal charges is automatically stripped of their positions...
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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#237 ·
Charles Martin2 said:

Is that my line
just some cash for me!!

🙂

Nope—it’s not. The guy didn't even bother to quote you properly; he just did a lazy copy-paste of your post with a few tweaks, making it look like the words were yours...

Though, honestly, maybe they are... I mean, you popped up right after I asked my question... highly suspicious...
Charles Martin2 Charles Martin2 Active Member
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#238 ·
granitemarlin77 said:Since it's legal jargon, you'd say "induce under..."
Participant (participant), lethally (lethally).
Mr. President😁, maybe watch the spelling and grammar a bit.
Either way, I’m basically signing off on your post.☕


"Consciousness" works too!
As an American, I say lethally!
Cacic is a participant, so what can you do!

I'm signing off on my own post too!!
Charles Martin2 Charles Martin2 Active Member
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#239 ·

How can anyone trust Cacic when he's constantly spinning yarns!?

mistycrane19 mistycrane19 Active Member
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#240 ·
restlessfox5 said:I'm not really looking to dwell on the accident. I mean, stuff like that happens to anyone—it's just life—but still...

First post here.
I finished my studies at the USSR and I know enough to realize things don't just "happen" by chance.
Vehicle movement depends on the weather, not engine power. It’s pathetic, but until laws actually get enforced, Čačić and his band of killers will keep roaming our streets.

So, you killed someone?
- You know exactly where you'll be for the next 40 years minimum. That's how it works in the USA. Sure, we're in Europe, but that doesn't mean we can't borrow a few ideas from the US Judiciary.

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if he gets off with a mere fine, and then eventually Čačić sues Canada for emotional distress...👎

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