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Is it possible (and even desirable) to be in two places at once?

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dustyskipper3 dustyskipper3 Active MemberOP
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#1 ·
In this morning's paper, I was reading about how scientists Dr. Saša Ceci and Dr. Dario Hrupec from the Roger Bošković Institute are challenging Dr. Davor Pavuna’s claim that "judge Zlatko can levitate according to the laws of physics," and his suggestion that he might "soon, much like Jesus, pass through walls."

Regarding judge Zlatko’s perception of reality, Dr. Hrupec—speaking as someone who views him as a charismatic and passionate believer—noted: "That is his reality, and the reality of his followers. In his own mind, he is levitating, existing here and there simultaneously. We skeptics, perhaps, cannot perceive this, but then again, who are we to blame if our minds aren't quite as open?"

Pavuna, however, counters by saying that "science is merely the poetry of living nature’s creation." When addressing testimonies of levitation and descriptions of similar paranormal events, he suggests that "Nikola Tesla understood this perfectly, as did Roger Bošković, each within the context of their own era."


As for the actual physics, I suppose there are some explanations floating around the internet. Some mention the example of Paramahansa Yogananda, who reportedly witnessed the bilocation of his teacher, a family friend and yogi named Swami Pranabananda.

The discovery of "biophotons"—this coherent light, almost like a laser, stored in and emitted by all living cells—suggests that quantum states of coherent photons at a macro level could produce resonant, collective wave effects, such as telepathy or even teleportation. Swanson mentions that the human body could be viewed as a "quantum system, with a set of quantum states vibrating together." Essentially, the human body might function as a coherent oscillatory system where every electron synchronizes with the others in a shared phase, mutually stimulating one another to vibrate. When the human body builds up a reservoir of coherent energy that takes on a spatial pattern, it increases the probability that such a structure or pattern will manifest in real life. This power of coherence and synchronization might allow for extraordinary phenomena, like people being able to teleport or exist in two places at once.

So, I guess a theoretical basis for this kind of thinking does actually exist. But it makes me wonder... why would people even want to bilocate in the first place? For telepathy or teleportation, the reason seems obvious—it saves time and makes communication or travel more efficient. But bilocation, from what I understand, happens when someone has an intense, overwhelming desire to be somewhere else. Maybe they want to be with a loved one to help them or just to see them, but they are physically stuck elsewhere due to their location or perhaps certain obligations and duties that prevent them from traveling. In that case, maybe that intense feeling creates this coherence and synchronization—this resonant quantum effect. It's as if the electron vibration triggered by that initial feeling somehow transfers via resonance to every single electron in every cell of the body, allowing the person to be in two different places at once.

😍What do you all think about that?
Douglas Mendoza52 Douglas Mendoza52 Newcomer
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#2 ·
dustyskipper3 - I can't help but wonder—what would even be the point of people trying to bilocate?

One person is stuck at the office while the other is out hitting the town... but just imagine if you could do that as a couple. I actually heard a rumor that the judge was somehow in two places at once back when he was fleeing from the seed vault near Capitol Hill.
dustyskipper3 dustyskipper3 Active MemberOP
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Douglas Mendoza52 said:dustyskipper3 - I can't help but wonder—what would even be the point of people trying to bilocate?

One person is stuck at the office while the other is out hitting the town... but just imagine if you could do that as a couple. I actually heard a rumor that the judge was somehow in two places at once back when he was fleeing from the seed vault near Capitol Hill.

True, but then he wouldn't have been able to perform under the name "Zlatko judge," so he probably used some sort of pseudonym—maybe Zlatko Crnković, working as a translator or a publisher. Or perhaps Zoran Krivić, acting as a gallery owner? Regardless, if bilocation isn't possible, maybe one could quantum tunnel through a barrier in a potential well, which might look a lot like teleportation.😍
Douglas Mendoza52 Douglas Mendoza52 Newcomer
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dustyskipper3 said:True, but then he wouldn't have been able to perform under the name "Zlatko judge," so he probably used some sort of pseudonym—maybe Zlatko Crnković, working as a translator or a publisher. Or perhaps Zoran Krivić, acting as a gallery owner? Regardless, if bilocation isn't possible, maybe one could quantum tunnel through a barrier in a potential well, which might look a lot like teleportation.😍

😁 😁

Maybe he was judge Zlatko. Word has it he was stuck in detention at the seed warehouse, yet simultaneously spotted over at the Capuchin...
mistyscout2 mistyscout2 Active Member
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#5 ·
For the most part, it’s just not possible. That’s basically why humans went through the trouble of inventing the television, and later on, the internet. Before all that tech existed—and really, only in certain other civilizations at the time—some people would eat all sorts of strange mushrooms and plants, and then they’d claim they were somehow in two places at once. Then again, you also had all those storytellers and bards who loved to "show" people different lands through their tales and folklore, essentially using the magic of language to guide them into entirely different worlds...
Zachary Cook2 Zachary Cook2 Active Member
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#6 ·
mistyscout2 said:For the most part, it’s just not possible. That’s basically why humans went through the trouble of inventing the television, and later on, the internet. Before all that tech existed—and really, only in certain other civilizations at the time—some people would eat all sorts of strange mushrooms and plants, and then they’d claim they were somehow in two places at once. Then again, you also had all those storytellers and bards who loved to "show" people different lands through their tales and folklore, essentially using the magic of language to guide them into entirely different worlds...

It’s possible—absolutely possible...😉
mistyscout2 mistyscout2 Active Member
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#7 ·
Zachary Cook2 said:It’s possible—absolutely possible...😉

I was speaking in general terms, mostly. I mean, unless you happen to be Jesus Christ, judge Zlatko, some high-level psychic spy from the USA, or a student at one of those advanced monasteries that nobody can actually find, even though everyone seems to know they exist somehow.
But honestly, if you feel like it's possible and you think I said it wasn't—just so you can push back against me—where are your arguments? Give me actual evidence, not just promises. And what does it even mean to "be in two places at once"? Most people are in two places at once during a normal day when they're daydreaming, scrolling through the internet, or lost in thought... but I'm talking about being there PHYSICALLY. I have my doubts.

That’s exactly why these folks are called PSYCHIC SPIES rather than PHYSICAL SPIES; it's more about extrasensory perception than any kind of physical bilocation. If someone truly believes a person can physically bilocate their entire body, then they either grew up ignoring the laws of physics or they never met them in the first place. It's the same deal as levitation. You can hop around all you want, but you aren't going to defy gravity using nothing but your mind, or whatever else, as long as you're still bound by a physical body.
dustyskipper3 dustyskipper3 Active MemberOP
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mistyscout2 said:I was speaking in general terms, mostly. I mean, unless you happen to be Jesus Christ, judge Zlatko, some high-level psychic spy from the USA, or a student at one of those advanced monasteries that nobody can actually find, even though everyone seems to know they exist somehow.
But honestly, if you feel like it's possible and you think I said it wasn't—just so you can push back against me—where are your arguments? Give me actual evidence, not just promises. And what does it even mean to "be in two places at once"? Most people are in two places at once during a normal day when they're daydreaming, scrolling through the internet, or lost in thought... but I'm talking about being there PHYSICALLY. I have my doubts.

That’s exactly why these folks are called PSYCHIC SPIES rather than PHYSICAL SPIES; it's more about extrasensory perception than any kind of physical bilocation. If someone truly believes a person can physically bilocate their entire body, then they either grew up ignoring the laws of physics or they never met them in the first place. It's the same deal as levitation. You can hop around all you want, but you aren't going to defy gravity using nothing but your mind, or whatever else, as long as you're still bound by a physical body.

The issue, I think, is that creating a physical body in another location would require an absolutely unimaginable amount of energy. I could perhaps accept that someone could be mentally in another place, or even in a way where it merely SEEMS to others that the person is physically there—like a sort of long-distance hypnosis. Or maybe some kind of quantum-tunneling holographic projection...?😕🤷
Zachary Cook2 Zachary Cook2 Active Member
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#9 ·
dustyskipper3 said:The issue, I think, is that creating a physical body in another location would require an absolutely unimaginable amount of energy. I could perhaps accept that someone could be mentally in another place, or even in a way where it merely SEEMS to others that the person is physically there—like a sort of long-distance hypnosis. Or maybe some kind of quantum-tunneling holographic projection...?😕🤷

Exactly!

You could potentially take your energetic double and turn it into a material one—basically being in two places at once. The catch? That new version could never be quite as "dense" as your actual physical body, because—as mentioned—that takes a massive surge of energy. But it could be, say, 90% as real as the original here in the physical realm, effectively letting you exist in two spots simultaneously.

And I’m not just throwing out some half-baked theory or rambling aimlessly...

It's a long story involving high-level art, deep knowledge, and serious skill. You can't just wing this...

👍
Nancy Harris6 Nancy Harris6 Member
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#10 ·
Zachary Cook2 said:Exactly!

You could potentially take your energetic double and turn it into a material one—basically being in two places at once. The catch? That new version could never be quite as "dense" as your actual physical body, because—as mentioned—that takes a massive surge of energy. But it could be, say, 90% as real as the original here in the physical realm, effectively letting you exist in two spots simultaneously.

And I’m not just throwing out some half-baked theory or rambling aimlessly...

It's a long story involving high-level art, deep knowledge, and serious skill. You can't just wing this...

👍

Please, give us a few pointers on what you actually mean.

Are you referring to shamans, Hermeticism, or perhaps...🤔
Mark Torres14 Mark Torres14 Regular
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#11 ·
Zachary Cook2 said:Exactly!

You could potentially take your energetic double and turn it into a material one—basically being in two places at once. The catch? That new version could never be quite as "dense" as your actual physical body, because—as mentioned—that takes a massive surge of energy. But it could be, say, 90% as real as the original here in the physical realm, effectively letting you exist in two spots simultaneously.

And I’m not just throwing out some half-baked theory or rambling aimlessly...

It's a long story involving high-level art, deep knowledge, and serious skill. You can't just wing this...

👍

The ancient Egyptians claimed it all started with a void where God Ptah emerged onto land, and that’s where they built their shrine in Memphis. Naturally, other temples throughout Upper and Lower Egypt claimed that same spot where God Ptah appeared within their own territories, building countless shrines there too. The Egyptians were diligent about offering sacrifices at every single one of those sites; they didn't see any contradiction in the idea that one being could emerge in multiple places at once.

Since the logic of one entity existing in several different places at once totally trips me up, I’m looking to an expert to give me that "long story, high art, and all that deep knowledge and skill."🙂
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Mark Torres14 said:The ancient Egyptians claimed it all started with a void where God Ptah emerged onto land, and that’s where they built their shrine in Memphis. Naturally, other temples throughout Upper and Lower Egypt claimed that same spot where God Ptah appeared within their own territories, building countless shrines there too. The Egyptians were diligent about offering sacrifices at every single one of those sites; they didn't see any contradiction in the idea that one being could emerge in multiple places at once.

Since the logic of one entity existing in several different places at once totally trips me up, I’m looking to an expert to give me that "long story, high art, and all that deep knowledge and skill."🙂

Well, if that doesn't sit right with you, maybe he just moved into another dimension. And what was that you said about Ptah being from Memphis? The only guy I know who was actually from Memphis is Elvis Presley... Graceland, Memphis, Tennessee. Granted, he didn't exactly emerge from water, but rather from East Tupelo, which is in Mississippi, and honestly, you aren't going to find a bigger river than that; it’s even more significant than the Nile.

But then again, there are plenty of rivers in Tennessee too—take the massive Tennessee River, for instance, which used to be known as the Cherokee River. As for cities, you've got Nashville, Knoxville, and then Chattanooga, which inspired that old Chattanooga Choo-Choo song from the Dixieland era by Glenn Miller.

Maybe we are dealing with a being that didn't just manifest in multiple places (both in Egypt and in Tennessee), but also across different points in time. If we look at the similarities:

Ptah:

image

Elvis Presley:

image

Ptah was also a deity characterized by artistic and creative inclinations, since the world itself came into being through his word. He was quite particular about style, too, wearing tight clothing wrapped around his legs like a mummy. Beyond that, he was a god of resurrection within the trinity of Ptah-Sokar-Osiris, which is why people often draw comparisons between Osiris and Jesus, and so on.

And at the end of the day, Elvis is still alive.😍
mistyscout2 mistyscout2 Active Member
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Zachary Cook2 said:Exactly!

You could potentially take your energetic double and turn it into a material one—basically being in two places at once. The catch? That new version could never be quite as "dense" as your actual physical body, because—as mentioned—that takes a massive surge of energy. But it could be, say, 90% as real as the original here in the physical realm, effectively letting you exist in two spots simultaneously.

And I’m not just throwing out some half-baked theory or rambling aimlessly...

It's a long story involving high-level art, deep knowledge, and serious skill. You can't just wing this...

👍

I don't think that would work.

Zachary Cook2 said:Exactly!

You could potentially take your energetic double and turn it into a material one—basically being in two places at once. The catch? That new version could never be quite as "dense" as your actual physical body, because—as mentioned—that takes a massive surge of energy. But it could be, say, 90% as real as the original here in the physical realm, effectively letting you exist in two spots simultaneously.

And I’m not just throwing out some half-baked theory or rambling aimlessly...

It's a long story involving high-level art, deep knowledge, and serious skill. You can't just wing this...

👍

Where's the proof?

Zachary Cook2 said:Exactly!

You could potentially take your energetic double and turn it into a material one—basically being in two places at once. The catch? That new version could never be quite as "dense" as your actual physical body, because—as mentioned—that takes a massive surge of energy. But it could be, say, 90% as real as the original here in the physical realm, effectively letting you exist in two spots simultaneously.

And I’m not just throwing out some half-baked theory or rambling aimlessly...

It's a long story involving high-level art, deep knowledge, and serious skill. You can't just wing this...

👍

How can you be so sure?
Mark Torres14 Mark Torres14 Regular
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dustyskipper3 said:Well, if that doesn't sit right with you, maybe he just moved into another dimension. And what was that you said about Ptah being from Memphis? The only guy I know who was actually from Memphis is Elvis Presley... Graceland, Memphis, Tennessee. Granted, he didn't exactly emerge from water, but rather from East Tupelo, which is in Mississippi, and honestly, you aren't going to find a bigger river than that; it’s even more significant than the Nile.

But then again, there are plenty of rivers in Tennessee too—take the massive Tennessee River, for instance, which used to be known as the Cherokee River. As for cities, you've got Nashville, Knoxville, and then Chattanooga, which inspired that old Chattanooga Choo-Choo song from the Dixieland era by Glenn Miller.

Maybe we are dealing with a being that didn't just manifest in multiple places (both in Egypt and in Tennessee), but also across different points in time. If we look at the similarities:

Ptah:

image

Elvis Presley:

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/130/009_220-273~Elvis-Presley-Posters.jpg" alt="image" loading="lazy" class="bb-img">

Ptah was also a deity characterized by artistic and creative inclinations, since the world itself came into being through his word. He was quite particular about style, too, wearing tight clothing wrapped around his legs like a mummy. Beyond that, he was a god of resurrection within the trinity of Ptah-Sokar-Osiris, which is why people often draw comparisons between Osiris and Jesus, and so on.

And at the end of the day, Elvis is still alive.😍

Maybe he’s actually here, haunting every single forum at the exact same time?😕
There are plenty of rivers in Tennessee, too. Take the massive Tennessee River—it used to be called the Cherokee River. As for cities, you've got Nashville, Knoxville, and Chattanooga, which inspired that classic Glenn Miller track, the Chattanooga Choo-Choo, back in the Dixieland days.

Man... those were the days. Here's a little blues before I get into the heavy stuff.
And finally, Elvis is still alive.😍

Wrong. The King is alive. This simply cannot die.

Let’s shift gears and get serious for a second.
Think about that Euclidean axiom from the ancient Greeks: an object can only occupy one single point in space at any given time. Even Aristotle, in his Metaphysics, argues that "the same attribute cannot both belong and not belong to the same subject at the same time," basically building on Euclid's idea that if you subtract an equal amount from an equal amount, you're left with equality.
Unlike the ancient Egyptians, who seemed perfectly fine with the idea of a being existing in multiple places simultaneously, the old Greeks would have scoffed at that. But considering how advanced Egyptian math actually was, this Greek refusal of simultaneity feels either absurd or like we're missing something huge.
Today, we see a modernized version of this through multidimensionality—like the theoretical state of an electron before measurement—or even in the young Wittgenstein's views in his Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus:
1. The world is everything that is the case.
2. The world is a totality of facts, not of things.
3. The world is determined by facts, and by the fact that these are all the facts.

Essentially, a thing emerges as a consequence of its relationship to something else. That relationship is a fact, not a physical object. If relationships are just facts, then we can explore a new logic where the same fact manifests in multiple locations at once, resulting in the creation of identical or similar objects.

Can anyone actually expand on this? I want to give this topic some real substance.
Zachary Cook2 Zachary Cook2 Active Member
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Nancy Harris6 said:Please, give us a few pointers on what you actually mean.

Are you referring to shamans, Hermeticism, or perhaps...🤔

On shamanism—there’s this great book that dives into the concept of the doppelgänger and all that knowledge...
http://www.idownloadaccess.com/check...a+download+pdf
Zachary Cook2 Zachary Cook2 Active Member
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#16 ·
mistyscout2 said:I don't think that would work.

Where's the proof?

How can you be so sure?

So you actually tried it, and that's why you know it won't work?😂

I proved it to myself—so yeah, I know!👍
mistyscout2 mistyscout2 Active Member
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#17 ·
So, you actually pulled it off? Well, if that’s true, I really do have to hand it to you. Congrats. 🙂
If you didn't, then we're all just indulging in a little bit of wishful thinking...

I'm not saying it's strictly impossible, but based on everything that is known—and everything I personally know—it just doesn't seem feasible. I’m not ruling out the possibility entirely, I’m just saying that according to the laws of physics that we can constantly verify through empirical evidence, and according to what modern science tells us, something like that is impossible, unless we're talking about the quantum level. It might be possible, but honestly, I don't know. That's why I'm asking you for more than just a "trust me, it's possible." If you won't explain how you know or give me a bit more detail, then it just feels like that old playground routine of "I know, but I'm not telling you." It comes across more like a bluff than a principled silence. 😁

Besides, the burden of proof always falls on the person making the claim. That's just the basic rule of the game. You can't really "prove" that something isn't there; something simply doesn't exist until someone proves or demonstrates that it does, one way or another.
Samuel Ortiz4 Samuel Ortiz4 Newcomer
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#18 ·
It’s totally possible. And we aren't just talking about two places—we could be looking at seven, maybe eight...☕

You really have to have a certain kind of story to pull that off.😉

Has nobody actually watched *Multiplicity*? Michael Keaton absolutely nailed it there, especially how he showed the social side of being multiplied...🤣

You guys honestly have no clue.😛
Zachary Cook2 Zachary Cook2 Active Member
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#19 ·
mistyscout2 said:So, you actually pulled it off? Well, if that’s true, I really do have to hand it to you. Congrats. 🙂
If you didn't, then we're all just indulging in a little bit of wishful thinking...

I'm not saying it's strictly impossible, but based on everything that is known—and everything I personally know—it just doesn't seem feasible. I’m not ruling out the possibility entirely, I’m just saying that according to the laws of physics that we can constantly verify through empirical evidence, and according to what modern science tells us, something like that is impossible, unless we're talking about the quantum level. It might be possible, but honestly, I don't know. That's why I'm asking you for more than just a "trust me, it's possible." If you won't explain how you know or give me a bit more detail, then it just feels like that old playground routine of "I know, but I'm not telling you." It comes across more like a bluff than a principled silence. 😁

Besides, the burden of proof always falls on the person making the claim. That's just the basic rule of the game. You can't really "prove" that something isn't there; something simply doesn't exist until someone proves or demonstrates that it does, one way or another.

Laws of physics?! Didn't this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein prove a long time ago that everything is just energy?!

Honestly, what am I even supposed to prove to you? I really can't be bothered. Believe it if you want, ignore it if you don't—do your own research, I guess. I'm not interested in wasting my time on pointless arguments...😂

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mistyscout2 mistyscout2 Active Member
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#20 ·
That’s just plain ridiculous. 😁 😁 😁

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