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The social psychology of homophobia

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Drew Bennett2 Drew Bennett2 Member
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#101 ·
Morgan Rodriguez57 said:It really would be helpful to understand the actual reasoning behind why it was removed from the list of disorders—if that removal was driven more by political maneuvering than by actual science... I mean, the article itself isn't exactly neutral, it's definitely got a bias, but there's still plenty of useful info to dig through here:

http://conservativecolloquium.wordpr...-of-disorders/

So, let's just assume for a moment that it really was a political move back in the 70s 🙄. Even so, we have learned so much more about human psychology and sexuality since then. Now that we actually account for that modern understanding, you have to wonder how it was even remotely possible for homosexuality to be listed as a disorder in the DSM in the first place?
Morgan Rodriguez57 Morgan Rodriguez57 Active Member
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#102 ·
Drew Bennett2 said:So, let's just assume for a moment that it really was a political move back in the 70s 🙄. Even so, we have learned so much more about human psychology and sexuality since then. Now that we actually account for that modern understanding, you have to wonder how it was even remotely possible for homosexuality to be listed as a disorder in the DSM in the first place?

Yeah, I think you're hitting the nail on the head regarding the whole chicken-or-the-egg situation... whether religious and cultural biases forced it onto the list, which then led to political pressure to take it off, or whatever else went down...

As for all this "new research" people talk about, I’m pretty skeptical, if I’m being honest—mostly because politics surrounding sexuality feels way more intense now than it did back in the seventies... it seems like people either avoid the topic entirely because they're afraid of stumbling onto something uncomfortable, or if something *does* get "discovered," it’s always framed in a way that pushes a specific agenda... at the end of the day, it all feels a bit disconnected from actual science, doesn't it?... anyway...
Drew Bennett2 Drew Bennett2 Member
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#103 ·
Morgan Rodriguez57 said:Yeah, I think you're hitting the nail on the head regarding the whole chicken-or-the-egg situation... whether religious and cultural biases forced it onto the list, which then led to political pressure to take it off, or whatever else went down...

As for all this "new research" people talk about, I’m pretty skeptical, if I’m being honest—mostly because politics surrounding sexuality feels way more intense now than it did back in the seventies... it seems like people either avoid the topic entirely because they're afraid of stumbling onto something uncomfortable, or if something *does* get "discovered," it’s always framed in a way that pushes a specific agenda... at the end of the day, it all feels a bit disconnected from actual science, doesn't it?... anyway...

I’m afraid you might be onto something here 😁
coppergardener13 coppergardener13 Newcomer
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#104 ·
fadedmason6 said:Are you kidding me? You're pretty much one of the top homophobes we see popping up in these threads all the time. If I felt like it, I could easily drop some of your most offensive posts right here as quotes.

Look, if I actually decided to get nasty, I’d be way more offensive than you—and coming from "your crowd." I mean, you've called people on this forum idiots and morons more times than I can count—not to mention your constant "fak offff" nonsense. And then there's superhands, who actually wished HIV on a toddler through their father... if we're really going to start digging up dirt, let's go...

I have every right to speak my mind, and honestly, I still feel that way about "all of you."
fadedmason6 fadedmason6 Member
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#105 ·
coppergardener13 said:Look, if I actually decided to get nasty, I’d be way more offensive than you—and coming from "your crowd." I mean, you've called people on this forum idiots and morons more times than I can count—not to mention your constant "fak offff" nonsense. And then there's superhands, who actually wished HIV on a toddler through their father... if we're really going to start digging up dirt, let's go...

I have every right to speak my mind, and honestly, I still feel that way about "all of you."

The fact that you're still clinging to this says everything anyone needs to know about you. Anyone with half a brain is just going to ignore you or stop taking you seriously. It's pretty pathetic, honestly.
coppergardener13 coppergardener13 Newcomer
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#106 ·
fadedmason6 said:The fact that you're still clinging to this says everything anyone needs to know about you. Anyone with half a brain is just going to ignore you or stop taking you seriously. It's pretty pathetic, honestly.

Pathetic, really.🤷
fadedmason6 fadedmason6 Member
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#107 ·
coppergardener13 said:Pathetic, really.🤷

If it's pathetic for me to point out that you're still using plural pronouns like "they" or "them" when talking about gay people... then fine. 🤣
Daniel Wilson5 Daniel Wilson5 Active MemberOP
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#108 ·
Morgan Rodriguez57 said:It really would be helpful to understand the actual reasoning behind why it was removed from the list of disorders—if that removal was driven more by political maneuvering than by actual science... I mean, the article itself isn't exactly neutral, it's definitely got a bias, but there's still plenty of useful info to dig through here:

http://conservativecolloquium.wordpr...-of-disorders/

The best part of that link is the "Conservative" label. I mean, what else could you expect from a site that identifies as such?☕ Aside from ignoring it entirely...
Daniel Wilson5 Daniel Wilson5 Active MemberOP
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#109 ·
Drew Bennett2 said:So, let's just assume for a moment that it really was a political move back in the 70s 🙄. Even so, we have learned so much more about human psychology and sexuality since then. Now that we actually account for that modern understanding, you have to wonder how it was even remotely possible for homosexuality to be listed as a disorder in the DSM in the first place?

Because before the 70s, no psychiatrist gave a damn, but once they finally found their backbone after the 70s, that's how the whole thing shifted. They realized there was no point in hiding the truth anymore... so let's just throw some flowers on it and call it a day 😍
Daniel Wilson5 Daniel Wilson5 Active MemberOP
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#110 ·
MeaCulpa said:Yeah... You get cast aside by a narrow-minded society, and then I’m stuck sucking up to bigots just to finish my degree🙂

Man, worst case scenario😂
coppergardener19 coppergardener19 Newcomer
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#111 ·
Daniel Wilson5 said:You hit the nail right on the head, my friend!😂😂

Honestly, I think I'm turning into a lesbian. 😳 ☕
Daniel Wilson5 Daniel Wilson5 Active MemberOP
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#112 ·
Welcome to actual paradise!!!!😍
Jerry Bennett5 Jerry Bennett5 Newcomer
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#113 ·
Interesting choice of words—using "pushing," talking about us versus them, that whole "silent majority" bit. And then there’s that saying (I’ll paraphrase it here) that evil wins simply because good people—or whatever they call themselves, this "silent majority"—just sit on their hands and do nothing...
By "evil," I mean those aggressive behaviors meant to hurt people in any way possible (basically, homophobia)

At the end of the day, there are plenty of folks who aren't part of this "silent majority," and honestly, if the majority feels so strongly, they can just log off (to put it politely)
Tyler Myers Tyler Myers Newcomer
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#114 ·
It seems to me that people identifying as homosexual haven't actually come to terms with their own sexual orientation yet, so they demand that every single member of society shower them with validation. They expect 100% unwavering support just to feel 100% certain that the path they’ve chosen is the right one. For anyone who disagrees—or even for those who are simply indifferent—they immediately reach for labels like "homophobe" as a way to discredit them. In the subconscious of these individuals, the label "homophobe" functions as a psychological shield: "My orientation must be valid, because look at that guy opposing it; he isn't a normal citizen, he's just some primitive homophobe. Therefore, I am perfectly fine, and the problem lies entirely with him." That is where this need for labeling comes from; it provides them with a sense of comfort.

In my view, the internal turmoil experienced by homosexuals shouldn't be the responsibility of society to fix; rather, they ought to resolve those issues through their own conscience or whatever personal introspection they require.

Personally, I couldn't care less about who sleeps with whom. I don't have an issue with parades either; in fact, if participating in them helps these individuals feel more comfortable with themselves, then you have my support.

But what truly irritates me is when a mob of people starts running around screaming "fascist" or "white supremacist" at anyone who refuses to give them the specific reaction they are craving.

It reminds me of a period about 20 years ago here in the States, when another organized group would go around on pilgrimages and rallies shouting the exact same slogans. And we all know how that ended...
mistymason1 mistymason1 Member
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#115 ·
I guess there isn't much to say here. Just sitting by. mistymason1 says:
Treating homophobia. Maybe.
Homophobia: basically an absence of love for one's own gender, which leads to hating those feelings in others. It’s this belief that one specific type of love is inherently superior and, therefore, should be the dominant standard. I guess.
Audre Lorde

Taking this definition seriously would be a joke. But honestly, it points directly toward a specific trend in certain activist circles: heterophobia.

Some people—whether they're gay or not—might never get it. Or maybe they already do. Most straight people aren't actually homophobic; it’s more that they just view being gay as this "abnormal" thing that needs to be tolerated. I guess.

Let's lay all the cards on the table and see what happens:

Is homophobia defined by viewing homosexuality as "abnormal"—as in, a deviation from the standard rule or a supposed dysfunction of sexual drive whose origin remains unknown (maybe psychological, maybe hormonal, maybe genetic)—while simultaneously believing it’s improper to point out that abnormality? I suppose some might argue that people should just be left alone. In this view, forcing anyone to change their behavior is wrong, yet any mention of it—or even suggesting someone might want to try pursuing the opposite sex if they're open to it—is treated as scandalous or blasphemous by activists. Maybe.

Is it homophobic to think that gay people can be incredibly selfish toward their straight families? I mean, they rarely seem to try and grasp how this realization hits a parent—especially if they're an only child. It’s a massive shock for any mom or dad. I guess you have to wonder how they can just shrug it off or act like there's nothing to regret when they're so quick to claim everything is "normal."

Is it actually homophobia to disagree with the idea of same-sex couples entering "marriage," if you define marriage strictly as a union between a man and a woman? I mean, they can manage their legal rights through the Same-sex marriage law. If there’s an issue with how that law is written, they can just advocate for changes there. I guess it seems a bit much to claim someone is being discriminated against simply because they can't enter a marriage. Maybe.

Is it homophobic to deny assisted reproduction to any healthy, fertile individual, regardless of whether they're gay, bisexual, or straight? And what about allowing the sale or donation of gametes without the donor being tied to parental responsibilities? I guess that's the question.

Is it homophobic to say I don't want to participate in Pride, or that the whole thing feels a bit exhibitionist?

Tyler Myers said:It seems to me that people identifying as homosexual haven't actually come to terms with their own sexual orientation yet, so they demand that every single member of society shower them with validation. They expect 100% unwavering support just to feel 100% certain that the path they’ve chosen is the right one. For anyone who disagrees—or even for those who are simply indifferent—they immediately reach for labels like "homophobe" as a way to discredit them. In the subconscious of these individuals, the label "homophobe" functions as a psychological shield: "My orientation must be valid, because look at that guy opposing it; he isn't a normal citizen, he's just some primitive homophobe. Therefore, I am perfectly fine, and the problem lies entirely with him." That is where this need for labeling comes from; it provides them with a sense of comfort.

In my view, the internal turmoil experienced by homosexuals shouldn't be the responsibility of society to fix; rather, they ought to resolve those issues through their own conscience or whatever personal introspection they require.

Personally, I couldn't care less about who sleeps with whom. I don't have an issue with parades either; in fact, if participating in them helps these individuals feel more comfortable with themselves, then you have my support.

But what truly irritates me is when a mob of people starts running around screaming "fascist" or "white supremacist" at anyone who refuses to give them the specific reaction they are craving.

It reminds me of a period about 20 years ago here in the States, when another organized group would go around on pilgrimages and rallies shouting the exact same slogans. And we all know how that ended...

Not everyone. But I’d say a certain segment, for sure. Especially women. I don't know why, but it just seems to me that women are often way more aggressive and agile when it comes to their "activism" compared to men. It leads me to a conclusion—unscientific, obviously—that female homosexuality or bisexuality might be more psychological than biological. You can see that aggression right here on this forum. I shared my own experience regarding a shift in orientation from homosexual to bisexual, practically even toward heterosexual, on another thread once. I ended up getting attacked for it. People were questioning how I could even write something like that, or how a homosexual person could possibly become heterosexual or bisexual.

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