Exploring lesbian experimentation in your early 20s?

Peter Phillips32 said:Just wanted to jump back in here and follow up on post number 6.
It’s pretty much common knowledge that when you talk to women about their sexual fantasies, same-sex attraction pops up more often than you'd think. Honestly, we don't even have solid numbers for guys because, let's face it, most dudes aren't exactly running to a therapist or a forum to vent about their deepest thoughts and feelings—they just keep it bottled up.

As far as I'm concerned, sex is basically the ultimate level of intimacy you can reach with another human being. You've got no walls up, no defensive mechanisms running; you're just raw. Think of it this way: sex is how you truly round out a connection with someone. And look, it doesn't matter if you're hitting that level of closeness with a guy, a girl, or a whole group of people.
I mean, the whole point of having sex isn't just about making babies, so it's obviously used for way more than just reproduction.
Up until now, I haven't seen much actual criticism here, aside from the usual unhinged nonsense coming from those "holier-than-thou" types who think they're morally superior to everyone else.

If you want to look at it through a different lens—like how we control our own muscles, emotions, and thoughts—it works similarly. If you can associate the act of sex with the opposite sex in a way that triggers arousal, then sure, you can also trigger that same response with the same sex, or with both. That's essentially how you end up with hetero, homo, or bisexual orientations.
For anyone who thinks this theory sounds a bit out there, just take a second to really think about how and when sexual orientation actually develops in the first place.

A few random things to chew on:
The brain is hands down the most powerful aphrodisiac out there.
From a physiological standpoint, male nerve endings run from the base of the penis all the way through to the anus—both externally and internally.

(sarcastic) p.s.
Wondering why there seem to be more bisexual women than men? It's probably because "macho" guys are too busy playing the role of the big, tough provider who only knows how to give, never receive. They've gotta stay "strong," right?

During my own period of exploring my sexual identity, I experimented quite extensively. I also have numerous female friends who felt deeply confused about their orientation during late puberty or early adolescence; very few could claim with absolute certainty that they were strictly heterosexual, and I know for a fact that many of us fantasized about homosexual encounters. In the end, however, 99% of us reached the conclusion that a man is indispensable. 😳 To be perfectly honest, I don't know a single woman who remained in a lesbian relationship. While I cannot say for certain why this phenomenon occurs, I do know that it is by no means an uncommon occurrence.

lonegardener said:I honestly can't recall ever having dreams like these.

I never saw this coming, but I once had a dream where—completely by accident, mind you—I ended up slicing my little brother with a saber. I can still vividly recall that crushing sense of guilt... even though it wasn't intentional, it didn't make the feeling any easier to stomach.

On the other hand, I don't recall ever dreaming about having sexual contact with an unknown, LOL. It just goes to show how much those developmental phases vary... if anything, I probably moved past that stage before I was even five years old, back when I couldn't even remember my own dreams.

So, you finally picked a side, didn't you? 🙂

No. Did I actually make a claim? No. Why? Because I don't have any data on this phenomenon.😉

lonegardener said:I honestly can't recall ever having dreams like these.

I never saw this coming, but I once had a dream where—completely by accident, mind you—I ended up slicing my little brother with a saber. I can still vividly recall that crushing sense of guilt... even though it wasn't intentional, it didn't make the feeling any easier to stomach.

On the other hand, I don't recall ever dreaming about having sexual contact with an unknown, LOL. It just goes to show how much those developmental phases vary... if anything, I probably moved past that stage before I was even five years old, back when I couldn't even remember my own dreams.

So, you finally picked a side, didn't you? 🙂

Exactly.

Only two of my friends ever fantasized about being with another woman, and that was back when they were around fifteen or sixteen. One of them actually went through with it, but honestly? It wasn't exactly life-changing for her. 😁

I couldn't agree more with your take on those "developmental stages." 🙄

I don't hold any prejudice against gay people, but this idea that most individuals go through these inclinations as some sort of "developmental phase" is complete nonsense. ☕

hiddenhound3 said:During my own period of exploring my sexual identity, I experimented quite extensively. I also have numerous female friends who felt deeply confused about their orientation during late puberty or early adolescence; very few could claim with absolute certainty that they were strictly heterosexual, and I know for a fact that many of us fantasized about homosexual encounters. In the end, however, 99% of us reached the conclusion that a man is indispensable. 😳 To be perfectly honest, I don't know a single woman who remained in a lesbian relationship. While I cannot say for certain why this phenomenon occurs, I do know that it is by no means an uncommon occurrence.

Nothing is so sacred that it can't be replaced. Even drug Marshall. 😬

I'd argue the same applies to the cock... I mean, what is it really? Just some cylindrical object. Why should it be considered "irreplaceable"? There are plenty of vibrators out there that simulate both the shape and the sensation perfectly.

Basically, it's total bullshit. 🙂

Alex Patel96 said:No. Did I actually make a claim? No. Why? Because I don't have any data on this phenomenon.😉

🙂

User A made one unverified claim. User B made another.

You just echoed User B. Why choose User B instead of User A?

Let's not play games here. I'm fairly certain our collective IQ is higher than the number of shoes in this room. 🤷

lonegardener said:Nothing is so sacred that it can't be replaced. Even drug Marshall. 😬

I'd argue the same applies to the cock... I mean, what is it really? Just some cylindrical object. Why should it be considered "irreplaceable"? There are plenty of vibrators out there that simulate both the shape and the sensation perfectly.

Basically, it's total bullshit. 🙂

I am not being untruthful; rather, I am simply attempting to convey that such instances are far from rare. My intention was to address the underlying motivations behind these experiments—whether they stem from pure curiosity, a search for sexual identity, or a desire to push the boundaries of how one perceives sexuality. From what I have observed through personal experience, rather than just reading textbooks, the vast majority of cases eventually settle back into a conventional pattern.

Alex Patel96 said:Did you even read this thread from the start?😕 I wasn't actually making any claims myself. The two people before me were just bickering over whether it was a majority or not. So... you completely missed the point.☕

Didn't miss it—just applied your "logic" to some other scenarios.

lonegardener said:🙂

User A made one unverified claim. User B made another.

You just echoed User B. Why choose User B instead of User A?

Let's not play games here. I'm fairly certain our collective IQ is higher than the number of shoes in this room. 🤷

Some guy made a baseless, stupid claim. Then SS jumped in and, instead of pointing out how unfounded it was, just threw out her own opinion as if she's some kind of authority. It's just as stubborn and narrow-minded as his.

Neither that guy, nor her, nor I have any business making those kinds of judgments.

hiddenhound3 said:I am not being untruthful; rather, I am simply attempting to convey that such instances are far from rare. My intention was to address the underlying motivations behind these experiments—whether they stem from pure curiosity, a search for sexual identity, or a desire to push the boundaries of how one perceives sexuality. From what I have observed through personal experience, rather than just reading textbooks, the vast majority of cases eventually settle back into a conventional pattern.

Hold on, you missed my point... of course it's not a rare phenomenon. I never claimed it was. In fact, I know it's quite common. (Though I am curious what "rare" means to you).

But you definitely missed the mark with that idea that "a dick is irreplaceable." That is simply not true. Just ask slywolf45, for instance. 😬 It is incredibly easy to replace one thing with something else.

Honestly, I'd rather not say what I think about a girl who would choose me over another woman just because she thinks "a dick is irreplaceable." I’d probably just hand her the most expensive vibrator on the market and say, "Here, this will serve you just fine." 😬 😈 🤣

Alex Patel96 said:Some guy made a baseless, stupid claim. Then SS jumped in and, instead of pointing out how unfounded it was, just threw out her own opinion as if she's some kind of authority. It's just as stubborn and narrow-minded as his.

Neither that guy, nor her, nor I have any business making those kinds of judgments.

I already covered that in middle school biology, but no matter how you look at it, the fact remains that you echoed her while completely ignoring his post. There isn't really any other reason for that besides what I already mentioned. Look, you know it and I know it—there’s no reason to be stubborn. Having an opinion isn't a "sin." I'm just stating a fact.

slywolf45 said:You think just because two people didn't say anything, that's the whole story.😉

Look, it doesn't matter how close you are or how much you trust someone—some things stay buried. Just because they don't share doesn't mean there's nothing there.

So, just because someone keeps their mouth shut, you're gonna assume they're fantasizing about the exact same stuff you are?

Edward Wilson82 said:Didn't miss it—just applied your "logic" to some other scenarios.

Give me a break. It’s obvious you’re actually upset about something else entirely. 😉

slywolf45 said:You think only two of them told you.😉

Don't get it twisted—no matter how good or close people are, there are certain things you just don't tell anyone. Not a soul.

Sure, there's a chance they didn't actually say anything like that. But does that mean they weren't thinking it? 😉

I used to think people were blowing things out of proportion whenever they claimed that a massive number of women fantasize about or experiment with the same sex.
My internal monologue was basically, "Come on now, how could I possibly know even one person who has felt that way?"🙄

But then, once I finally came out as a lesbian, the floodgates opened. I started receiving all sorts of unexpected confessions—and what really caught me off guard was that these weren't just coming from other women, but from men too (though, granted, in much smaller numbers).
As the years crawl by 🧐, it’s becoming increasingly obvious that there are plenty of women who have at least entertained those thoughts, if not acted on them. And I'm not even talking about people who identify as bisexual; I mean women who firmly consider themselves "textbook" heterosexuals.
Some of them weren't even close friends of mine; they just felt safe enough to unburden themselves to someone who would actually understand—someone who wouldn't recoil or judge them, but someone who was already "in the loop."

lonegardener said:Hold on, you missed my point... of course it's not a rare phenomenon. I never claimed it was. In fact, I know it's quite common. (Though I am curious what "rare" means to you).

But you definitely missed the mark with that idea that "a dick is irreplaceable." That is simply not true. Just ask slywolf45, for instance. 😬 It is incredibly easy to replace one thing with something else.

Honestly, I'd rather not say what I think about a girl who would choose me over another woman just because she thinks "a dick is irreplaceable." I’d probably just hand her the most expensive vibrator on the market and say, "Here, this will serve you just fine." 😬 😈 🤣

I already covered that in middle school biology, but no matter how you look at it, the fact remains that you echoed her while completely ignoring his post. There isn't really any other reason for that besides what I already mentioned. Look, you know it and I know it—there’s no reason to be stubborn. Having an opinion isn't a "sin." I'm just stating a fact.

Those women—and I include myself in that group 😁—have reached that conclusion based on their own personal experiences. Obviously, slywolf45 holds a different perspective, but that is a matter of individual intimacy; what carries weight for one person does not necessarily apply to another. Wouldn't you agree? 😉

Edward Wilson82 said:So, just because someone keeps their mouth shut, you're gonna assume they're fantasizing about the exact same stuff you are?

Look, I'm a lesbian.
I don't really do much fantasizing; I prefer to actually live my life.

Go back and read my previous post.

hiddenhound3 said:Those women—and I include myself in that group 😁—have reached that conclusion based on their own personal experiences. Obviously, slywolf45 holds a different perspective, but that is a matter of individual intimacy; what carries weight for one person does not necessarily apply to another. Wouldn't you agree? 😉

What exactly am I seeing differently?🤷

Sean Cruz said:Sure, there's a chance they didn't actually say anything like that. But does that mean they weren't thinking it? 😉

No, but it doesn't mean they weren't either. 😉
You pick up on a lot more things when you're right in the thick of it—if that's even how you'd put it. You hear way more than you do when you're straight.😉

slywolf45 said:What exactly am I seeing differently?🤷

No, but it doesn't mean they weren't either. 😉
You pick up on a lot more things when you're right in the thick of it—if that's even how you'd put it. You hear way more than you do when you're straight.😉

Honestly, I really don't have the energy to summarize everything right now... lonegardener and I were discussing this quite extensively, so you should probably just check out the thread starting from post 34.

I'm not judging, just curious about your logic—how did you end up coming out as a lesbian, slywolf45?
What's the upside?

slywolf45 said:What exactly am I seeing differently?🤷

No, but it doesn't mean they weren't either. 😉
You pick up on a lot more things when you're right in the thick of it—if that's even how you'd put it. You hear way more than you do when you're straight.😉

You’ve got a skewed perspective simply because you’re right in the thick of it.

Most people aren't actually at the center of everything. In other words, your conclusions are being drawn from a statistically insignificant sample size.

Sure, there are plenty of them. But let's be honest—that term "plenty" is pretty vague. It could mean anything.

hiddenhound3 said:Those women—and I include myself in that group 😁—have reached that conclusion based on their own personal experiences. Obviously, slywolf45 holds a different perspective, but that is a matter of individual intimacy; what carries weight for one person does not necessarily apply to another. Wouldn't you agree? 😉

You missed the mark again, honestly. 🤷 It’s not like it's completely worthless. I'm not saying it lacks any significance at all. 🤣Of course, that's a pretty interesting tool. 🙂 Look, that’s definitely not the only reason a woman would be straight. For crying out loud, I feel like I have to spell everything out for you.

hollowtinker18 said:I'm not judging, just curious about your logic—how did you end up coming out as a lesbian, slywolf45?
What's the upside?

There isn't an interpretation to be made. It simply is what it is.
I don't bother with endless psychological breakdowns or trying to keep up with whatever the latest studies from Harvard or Stanford are claiming.
It’s just my reality. I have absolutely no clue how I got here, and frankly, I'm not looking for a roadmap.

What's the upside?

The "advantage" of being a lesbian?
🤣🤣
I'm not sure I follow the logic behind that question.🤷😁