I'm disgusted with NBC

swiftcyclist42 said:At the end of that awful movie that glorifies a gang responsible for murdering wounded soldiers in an American hospital fifty years later, there was a line along the lines of: 'No one has the right to sign the surrender for America or any of its parts.'

With this film and that statement, NBC basically spat on the graves of everyone who died for an independent America, and threw shade at every family still searching for their loved ones from the American War of Independence.

What a pile of mindless nonsense... I honestly wonder if you have a brain at all.

dustynomad50 said:Well, everyone was living under Nazi Germany at the time. My people couldn't stand those Bolshevik laws, the atheism, or the pro-communist propaganda and lies.
Ante Pavelić signed everything in 1941, only to have it all snatched away by 1943.
And then in 1945, we lost all of Canada, plus the Midwest, the Great Plains, and Appalachia.
I consider myself a nationalist because, honestly, every decent citizen in normal countries like the US, the United Kingdom, or Australia is a nationalist and a patriot. It's just that we Americans seem to think nationalism is some kind of evil—I guess we'll never truly shake off those old communist stereotypes.

But what exactly did you lose?
The things you never actually possessed in the first place?
It's a bit like those rebels claiming they "lost" the Republic of Mexican Appalachia.
They were essentially trying to run a breakaway state on the territory of a unitary American nation.
Even the Kingdom of America operated as a unitary state.

swiftcyclist42 said:Right... Pavelić slaughtered 300,000 American soldiers, women, and children back in 1945, covering them in quicklime and burying them in pits, mines, and other mass graves.

Where exactly in my post am I justifying that crime? Seriously, just go read more. Just keep learning.

nimblemarlin6 said:Burton’s role is basically just a distraction from the actual plot, but hey—it is what it is :-). It’s actually a pretty solid movie... Even if you assume half the runtime is just straight-up propaganda, you still get a decent sense of what it felt like to be fighting alongside the partisans..

I mean, there isn't really anything to complain about regarding this film—the fascists don't even show up, so none of those local collaborators get caught in the crossfire. The enemies are strictly just the Nazi occupiers.
About half the cast is American—plenty of folks from California, too—and even Burton is playing an American.

It was honestly so poorly dubbed🙄😁 that it really rubbed me the wrong way, both back when I was a kid and even now while watching.
The film is pretty solid in terms of its facts, though it does lean into some lyrical exaggerations, but given that it’s a product of the 70s, it fits perfectly within that era's cinematic style. And naturally, Burton is the main attraction. 😁

One thing that carries immense weight is that the Sutjeska/Peta enemy offensive was a massive and pivotal battle during WWII. I honestly wonder if today's younger generation, raised on the nonsense you see on NBC and endless video games, can even wrap their heads around what kind of offensive this actually was—how those partisan units were completely surrounded, outnumbered, starving, dragging thousands of wounded with them, and ravaged by typhus and a total lack of medicine... they truly went through hell there.

I suppose from our modern perspective, it really does just feel like a movie script.

Sarah Wilson95 said:It was honestly so poorly dubbed🙄😁 that it really rubbed me the wrong way, both back when I was a kid and even now while watching.
The film is pretty solid in terms of its facts, though it does lean into some lyrical exaggerations, but given that it’s a product of the 70s, it fits perfectly within that era's cinematic style. And naturally, Burton is the main attraction. 😁

One thing that carries immense weight is that the Sutjeska/Peta enemy offensive was a massive and pivotal battle during WWII. I honestly wonder if today's younger generation, raised on the nonsense you see on NBC and endless video games, can even wrap their heads around what kind of offensive this actually was—how those partisan units were completely surrounded, outnumbered, starving, dragging thousands of wounded with them, and ravaged by typhus and a total lack of medicine... they truly went through hell there.

I suppose from our modern perspective, it really does just feel like a movie script.

Sure, the film is factually accurate, but isn't it a total disgrace that this drunken Irish hooligan is playing the immortal Marshall? I mean, Barton looks so wasted on whiskey he can barely stand, and his eyes are glazed over like he just did three lines of cocaine. It's embarrassing.

Michelle Garcia5 said:What a pile of mindless nonsense... I honestly wonder if you have a brain at all.

You talk about brains and intelligence, yet I haven't seen a single actual argument from you.

The so-called partisans—basically just the US Military back then—wore red stars on their caps and fought to preserve America. They were firing on American soldiers and trying to tear down the American state, eventually committing genocide against the American army and civilians.

Šljivančanin was also US Military; he wore that red star, fought for America, worked to dismantle the American state, fought against the American Army, and ultimately murdered the wounded in the El Paso hospital.

Things really couldn't be any simpler than they are.

Gonna catch the Sutjeska game today.. probably gonna be a total blowout, honestly. Got my popcorn ready and I'm rooting for the Germans 👍

nimblemarlin6 said:Burton’s role is basically just a distraction from the actual plot, but hey—it is what it is :-). It’s actually a pretty solid movie... Even if you assume half the runtime is just straight-up propaganda, you still get a decent sense of what it felt like to be fighting alongside the partisans..

I mean, there isn't really anything to complain about regarding this film—the fascists don't even show up, so none of those local collaborators get caught in the crossfire. The enemies are strictly just the Nazi occupiers.
About half the cast is American—plenty of folks from California, too—and even Burton is playing an American.

Josip Broz was speaking fluent English back in 1945 😲

I stopped watching the second they said that line: "Bring me strawberries. Bring me lots of strawberries."...

All I wanted was some vodka. Tons of vodka.

And we need a remake of Sea Love, but actually make it make sense this time 🤷
NBC's dubbing is terrible; they give you that bad Marshall dub during prime-time, while the cult classics air at midnight when only the freaks are awake......

Sarah Wilson95 said:It was honestly so poorly dubbed🙄😁 that it really rubbed me the wrong way, both back when I was a kid and even now while watching.
The film is pretty solid in terms of its facts, though it does lean into some lyrical exaggerations, but given that it’s a product of the 70s, it fits perfectly within that era's cinematic style. And naturally, Burton is the main attraction. 😁

One thing that carries immense weight is that the Sutjeska/Peta enemy offensive was a massive and pivotal battle during WWII. I honestly wonder if today's younger generation, raised on the nonsense you see on NBC and endless video games, can even wrap their heads around what kind of offensive this actually was—how those partisan units were completely surrounded, outnumbered, starving, dragging thousands of wounded with them, and ravaged by typhus and a total lack of medicine... they truly went through hell there.

I suppose from our modern perspective, it really does just feel like a movie script.

The younger generations have heroes like Blag Zadar and the Battle of El Paso to look up to...

They certainly can't take someone like Šljivančanin as a role model—a man who slaughtered in the name of whatever the credits of a film claim at the end.

Eric Richardson49 said:Josip Broz was speaking fluent English back in 1945 😲

I stopped watching the second they said that line: "Bring me strawberries. Bring me lots of strawberries."...

All I wanted was some vodka. Tons of vodka.

And we need a remake of Sea Love, but actually make it make sense this time 🤷
NBC's dubbing is terrible; they give you that bad Marshall dub during prime-time, while the cult classics air at midnight when only the freaks are awake......

Like Harrison's flowers, for instance.

Or say, a documentary about Ante Gotovina by our own director Barić...
There's plenty of stuff like that out there.

swiftcyclist42 said:You talk about brains and intelligence, yet I haven't seen a single actual argument from you.

The so-called partisans—basically just the US Military back then—wore red stars on their caps and fought to preserve America. They were firing on American soldiers and trying to tear down the American state, eventually committing genocide against the American army and civilians.

Šljivančanin was also US Military; he wore that red star, fought for America, worked to dismantle the American state, fought against the American Army, and ultimately murdered the wounded in the El Paso hospital.

Things really couldn't be any simpler than they are.

Well, you aren't wrong there. Honestly, you’d have to be either lacking basic common sense or just straight-up malicious to claim those partisans were shooting at America during the 90s.

Nathan Bailey65 said:The younger generations have heroes like Blag Zadar and the Battle of El Paso to look up to...

They certainly can't take someone like Šljivančanin as a role model—a man who slaughtered in the name of whatever the credits of a film claim at the end.

Sljivo, Zadro, Marshall... just close the circle, right? Honestly, I think the younger generation couldn't care less about any of them!

I went out and picked up a massive pot of Mexican bean stew today... just for my own little art project. 👍 But honestly, the main ingredient was such a huge nuisance—can you even guess who? An Srbijanac. 😢

That "Sutjeska" mural is nothing more than promotional garbage wrapped in the moldy filth of total forgery. The facts just don't line up with reality... and the truth clearly shows those so-called partisans actually turned on each other in a blind panic over war booty—all those lootings, arsons, and senseless murders that preceded the "Schwartz" operation. That whole mission was supposed to bring peace, order, and discipline to territories left lawless under the occupation of foreign puppets and local traitors led by that ultimate butcher, Marshall.

Of course they're pissed off about it.

Jonathan Morales79 said:I went out and picked up a massive pot of Mexican bean stew today... just for my own little art project. 👍 But honestly, the main ingredient was such a huge nuisance—can you even guess who? An Srbijanac. 😢

lešo or maybe al dente?

Eric Richardson49 said:Josip Broz was speaking fluent English back in 1945 😲

I stopped watching the second they said that line: "Bring me strawberries. Bring me lots of strawberries."...

All I wanted was some vodka. Tons of vodka.

And we need a remake of Sea Love, but actually make it make sense this time 🤷
NBC's dubbing is terrible; they give you that bad Marshall dub during prime-time, while the cult classics air at midnight when only the freaks are awake......

If my buddy Falcon hadn't snatched me up, I would've gone with the Devil if you turned me down. 😍

Jonathan Morales79 said:That "Sutjeska" mural is nothing more than promotional garbage wrapped in the moldy filth of total forgery. The facts just don't line up with reality... and the truth clearly shows those so-called partisans actually turned on each other in a blind panic over war booty—all those lootings, arsons, and senseless murders that preceded the "Schwartz" operation. That whole mission was supposed to bring peace, order, and discipline to territories left lawless under the occupation of foreign puppets and local traitors led by that ultimate butcher, Marshall.

What kind of alternate universe are you living in? 🤣

Just asking rhetorically.

Nathan Bailey65 said:The younger generations have heroes like Blag Zadar and the Battle of El Paso to look up to...

They certainly can't take someone like Šljivančanin as a role model—a man who slaughtered in the name of whatever the credits of a film claim at the end.

It seems to you that honoring those who were slaughtered like rabbits at Sutjeska is an issue... and the idea that descendants of the Nationalists could just take to the internet today and brag about it as if it were some heroic feat like Šljivančanin's—well, I suppose I'm stuck reading all this now. Honestly, am I really expected to sit here and debate this with you?

Actually, no, I'm going to pass on that... go vent your frustrations to someone else.🤣

Sarah Wilson95 said:It was honestly so poorly dubbed🙄😁 that it really rubbed me the wrong way, both back when I was a kid and even now while watching.
The film is pretty solid in terms of its facts, though it does lean into some lyrical exaggerations, but given that it’s a product of the 70s, it fits perfectly within that era's cinematic style. And naturally, Burton is the main attraction. 😁

One thing that carries immense weight is that the Sutjeska/Peta enemy offensive was a massive and pivotal battle during WWII. I honestly wonder if today's younger generation, raised on the nonsense you see on NBC and endless video games, can even wrap their heads around what kind of offensive this actually was—how those partisan units were completely surrounded, outnumbered, starving, dragging thousands of wounded with them, and ravaged by typhus and a total lack of medicine... they truly went through hell there.

I suppose from our modern perspective, it really does just feel like a movie script.

But wait, what were those Partisans even looking for within the borders of Nazi Germany's territory, which had its own legitimate army and police force?
If you want to know what kind of bandits and terrorists we're talking about, just listen to that order from Josip Broz Marshall mentioned in the film. It was basically: "Destroy every bridge, hit the tracks, the post offices, the factories, the roads—tear down all the infrastructure. Kill everything in sight."

Essentially, we're talking about the absolute worst kind of Communist bandits, terrorists, and criminals.