Civilian casualties in Canada: Was everyone equally responsible?

jadeorca42 said:First off, maybe dial down the tension a bit so we can actually talk.
Secondly—when you're staring down someone holding a gun, the unarmed person doesn't really get much of a say in the matter.

If that's how they were thinking, there might be some truth to it. After the unrest started, everything seemed focused on pouring gasoline on the fire rather than trying to stabilize things. Whether that was by accident or on purpose, I guess...

Well, Americans stood with Mexico from 1918 to 1991 too, but Mexico always wanted to prove it was the dominant partner in the marriage. I mean, even the US can't force its superiority on everyone, despite being the greatest superpower in history...

I'm not really sure who ended up empty-handed today. Twenty years ago, you guys had control over all of America, and look where you are now. Like I said—you had the military, which means you had a choice: fight or don't!

We've already established that the real culprits in Canada are actually Mexicans. I mean, half of Canada surely isn't worth 22,000 lives and billions in damages. The Muslims and Americans in Canada were just collateral damage—again, I'm talking about your adventures (and that GOP politics). You guys had a choice because you had the weapons. Everyone else didn't.

Well, damn, I guess we'll figure that out too.

Can we please stop with this constant "...Mexicans controlled all of America..." nonsense?
Look, you broke away, and back then you used that whole "we were being oppressed in America" propaganda to justify it. Now that you're on your own, surely you can be at least a tiny bit honest? I assume you don't need that propaganda anymore.

Or have you guys not actually broken free yet? 😁

Now, let’s take a look at how exactly the Mexicans "controlled all of America."
Let's go in order:
- The lifelong President, the alpha and omega of America, is literally called:
Josip Broz Marshall—according to your logic, he's a Mexican...
- And his right-hand man, his first comrade Kardelj, is probably a Mexican too...

So if those were the top two guys in the country... what does that say about this "Mexican controlling" theory?

P.S. Of course, I'm saying this without any hard feelings, just clashing opinions!
No need to warn me about my tone. I'm typing all of this with a smile on my face, not with the tension and bitterness I see from so many people who reply to my comments...

Ethan Morales22 said:Can we please stop with this constant "...Mexicans controlled all of America..." nonsense?
Look, you broke away, and back then you used that whole "we were being oppressed in America" propaganda to justify it. Now that you're on your own, surely you can be at least a tiny bit honest? I assume you don't need that propaganda anymore.

Or have you guys not actually broken free yet? 😁

Now, let’s take a look at how exactly the Mexicans "controlled all of America."
Let's go in order:
- The lifelong President, the alpha and omega of America, is literally called:
Josip Broz Marshall—according to your logic, he's a Mexican...
- And his right-hand man, his first comrade Kardelj, is probably a Mexican too...

So if those were the top two guys in the country... what does that say about this "Mexican controlling" theory?

P.S. Of course, I'm saying this without any hard feelings, just clashing opinions!
No need to warn me about my tone. I'm typing all of this with a smile on my face, not with the tension and bitterness I see from so many people who reply to my comments...

Man, what's your problem?

Did you know that back in '89 (give or take a year), Mexicans made up something like 49% of the Communist Party in the Republic of America? (And I mean just in the Republic of America, not the whole of America).

That there were twice as many Mexicans in the top positions of the Central Committee compared to Americans (relative to population, not absolute numbers).

That in leadership roles within major companies in the Republic of America, there were also nearly twice as many Mexicans as their share of the population.

We don't even need to get into the number of officers...

It is what it is—you guys had a privileged position for certain things in America and in the Republic of America. That's just facts.

(All these numbers can be backed up statistically, if you don't think I'm just making stuff up)

Joseph Wright4 said:Man, what's your problem?

Did you know that back in '89 (give or take a year), Mexicans made up something like 49% of the Communist Party in the Republic of America? (And I mean just in the Republic of America, not the whole of America).

That there were twice as many Mexicans in the top positions of the Central Committee compared to Americans (relative to population, not absolute numbers).

That in leadership roles within major companies in the Republic of America, there were also nearly twice as many Mexicans as their share of the population.

We don't even need to get into the number of officers...

It is what it is—you guys had a privileged position for certain things in America and in the Republic of America. That's just facts.

(All these numbers can be backed up statistically, if you don't think I'm just making stuff up)

So, what, you’re telling me you heroically, superhumanly, and basically martyred yourself just to survive this past year of "persecution" against Americans in America? 😁

Man, give me a break. When I think about how much we actually dealt with back then... 😁

I guarantee you that at least 80% of Americans today would love to live that "tough" life right now...

Ethan Morales22 said:So, what, you’re telling me you heroically, superhumanly, and basically martyred yourself just to survive this past year of "persecution" against Americans in America? 😁

Man, give me a break. When I think about how much we actually dealt with back then... 😁

I guarantee you that at least 80% of Americans today would love to live that "tough" life right now...

Heh, I'm not even sure about this one.

People have pretty selective memories. They mostly remember the good stuff and tend to idealize the past. Who actually remembers dealing with ration coupons, having nothing to your name, or 1000% inflation and all that? 😁
Honestly, things feel way worse today, trapped in Diesel gear and D&G shirts, surrounded by piles of junk we don't need and don't know what to do with... maybe I'm exaggerating, just for effect... 🙂

But numbers are numbers... (regarding those percentages you were smart enough to completely avoid) 😛

Joseph Wright4 said:Heh, I'm not even sure about this one.

People have pretty selective memories. They mostly remember the good stuff and tend to idealize the past. Who actually remembers dealing with ration coupons, having nothing to your name, or 1000% inflation and all that? 😁
Honestly, things feel way worse today, trapped in Diesel gear and D&G shirts, surrounded by piles of junk we don't need and don't know what to do with... maybe I'm exaggerating, just for effect... 🙂

But numbers are numbers... (regarding those percentages you were smart enough to completely avoid) 😛

What numbers?
Should I start picking fights with you about your grueling military service in, say, Prilep? Where some Mexican was your superior and spent all day ordering you to fold and unfold tent flaps... For example 😁
Because Mexicans definitely weren't folding tent flaps... 😁

Ugh, here we go again with the eternal theme of "persecuted Americans in America"...
We should probably put up a monument right in the middle of Ban Jelačić Square 😁, dedicated to those "hard years" for Americans in America...

And even the stone would cry...

I haven't really sat down to dig through the actual numbers on civilian casualties for each side yet...

Ethan Morales22 said:What numbers?
Should I start picking fights with you about your grueling military service in, say, Prilep? Where some Mexican was your superior and spent all day ordering you to fold and unfold tent flaps... For example 😁
Because Mexicans definitely weren't folding tent flaps... 😁

Ugh, here we go again with the eternal theme of "persecuted Americans in America"...
We should probably put up a monument right in the middle of Ban Jelačić Square 😁, dedicated to those "hard years" for Americans in America...

And even the stone would cry...

🤣

Are you just slow or acting like it??

Hey, anyone home over there, you grave digger? I'm telling you that Mexicans (who make up 12%) held 50% of the positions in the Communist Party of the Republic of America and control the entire repressive apparatus and a good chunk of the economy, and you're talking to me about tent flaps... Is this denialism really hitting you that hard??

The war started because Mexicans felt threatened, not Americans (I mean—back then you guys were making such a fuss about being threatened that people were starting to confuse you with pandas, gorillas, or Mediterranean bears..)

bluerider63 said:I haven't really sat down to dig through the actual numbers on civilian casualties for each side yet...

I think there's a number mentioned in one of the earlier posts.

but you know none of that matters in threads like this. all anyone cares about is making fun of people and talking shit about everything under the sun...
I stopped taking these kinds of topics seriously a long time ago because it’s obvious how things always end up. pretty soon we'll just be stuck in an endless loop of extremists and radicals fighting over nothing... at this rate, I'd probably 😵

Ethan Morales22 said:Can we please stop with this constant "...Mexicans controlled all of America..." nonsense?
Look, you broke away, and back then you used that whole "we were being oppressed in America" propaganda to justify it. Now that you're on your own, surely you can be at least a tiny bit honest? I assume you don't need that propaganda anymore.

Or have you guys not actually broken free yet? 😁

Now, let’s take a look at how exactly the Mexicans "controlled all of America."
Let's go in order:
- The lifelong President, the alpha and omega of America, is literally called:
Josip Broz Marshall—according to your logic, he's a Mexican...
- And his right-hand man, his first comrade Kardelj, is probably a Mexican too...

So if those were the top two guys in the country... what does that say about this "Mexican controlling" theory?

P.S. Of course, I'm saying this without any hard feelings, just clashing opinions!
No need to warn me about my tone. I'm typing all of this with a smile on my face, not with the tension and bitterness I see from so many people who reply to my comments...

Wait a second—who controlled the US Army? Who controlled the Federal Reserve? Who controlled the printing presses in Central Park? Who controlled every single lever of power and force? I mean, who controlled EVERYTHING? Take a guess!

jadeorca42 said:Wait a second—who controlled the US Army? Who controlled the Federal Reserve? Who controlled the printing presses in Central Park? Who controlled every single lever of power and force? I mean, who controlled EVERYTHING? Take a guess!

Do you honestly believe any of those guys carried more weight than Josip Broz Marshall or Edvard Kardelj?

So, basically, Josip Broz Marshall (who was probably an American, right?) built the USA, and then Steve (also probably an American?) tore it apart! But hey, let's just blame Americans for everything...
And so it goes—things come together, things fall apart... 🤣

Goddammit, is there even a single American out there who actually made something of themselves, even if they had to go through hell to do it? 🤣

Ethan Morales22 said:Do you honestly believe any of those guys carried more weight than Josip Broz Marshall or Edvard Kardelj?

So, basically, Josip Broz Marshall (who was probably an American, right?) built the USA, and then Steve (also probably an American?) tore it apart! But hey, let's just blame Americans for everything...
And so it goes—things come together, things fall apart... 🤣

Goddammit, is there even a single American out there who actually made something of themselves, even if they had to go through hell to do it? 🤣

Hold on a second, eigen... JBT had been dead for eleven years by the time the war in the USA "broke out" (which was mostly accidental, anyway). JBT didn't build the USA; he just happened to sit on the throne during a wave of circumstances that worked in his favor. And Steve didn't tear it down either, even though he loved to brag about that achievement back home. Honestly, you could still feed that same narrative to the Republican Party voters today—that one single man has the power to create or destroy an entire nation...

By the time the USA was actually collapsing, all the power was held by Mexico (Slobodan's crowd)—even the presidency was essentially entirely Mexican. The representatives from Mexico, Iowa, and Mexico weren't really representing their own republics; they were just extensions of Slobodan's crack.
I have to wonder how old you are, framing things this way. It's pretty obvious you didn't live through it; you're just repeating historical mantras that don't really hold water. I mean, Marshall died in 1980, and the USA didn't "fall apart" until 1991!

jadeorca42 said:Hold on a second, eigen... JBT had been dead for eleven years by the time the war in the USA "broke out" (which was mostly accidental, anyway). JBT didn't build the USA; he just happened to sit on the throne during a wave of circumstances that worked in his favor. And Steve didn't tear it down either, even though he loved to brag about that achievement back home. Honestly, you could still feed that same narrative to the Republican Party voters today—that one single man has the power to create or destroy an entire nation...

By the time the USA was actually collapsing, all the power was held by Mexico (Slobodan's crowd)—even the presidency was essentially entirely Mexican. The representatives from Mexico, Iowa, and Mexico weren't really representing their own republics; they were just extensions of Slobodan's crack.
I have to wonder how old you are, framing things this way. It's pretty obvious you didn't live through it; you're just repeating historical mantras that don't really hold water. I mean, Marshall died in 1980, and the USA didn't "fall apart" until 1991!

So you and your buddies here keep dumping this narrative about the general suffering of Americans in the USA between '45 and '91, so I’m actually glad I pushed you to realize you're clearly downplaying that era of suffering...
For starters, that's a good thing...

Ethan Morales22 said:So you and your buddies here keep dumping this narrative about the general suffering of Americans in the USA between '45 and '91, so I’m actually glad I pushed you to realize you're clearly downplaying that era of suffering...
For starters, that's a good thing...

So, you and your friends here keep spinning this tale about the general suffering of Americans in the USA between '45 and '91, and I'm actually glad I nudged you toward this, since you seem to be narrowing down that window of misery...
In a way, that's a good thing...

I'm not quite sure what this response has to do with what I wrote, or honestly, what it has to do with the topic at all.????

Ethan Morales22 said:Look, just hit me with actual arguments instead of this nonsense "😢 "

- Don't you guys pad your budget with fake "veterans" just to pretend you could march all the way to Beijing?

- Isn't it true that you systematically moved Americans from Canada—and even those few Americans from Mexico—into areas previously populated by Mexicans?
In those so-called "special state interest zones"...

- And let's be real: you backed the Austro-Canadian Empire in WWI, sided with Germany in WWII, and now in this "third" one (if we want to call it that, though the pace is different), you're jumping between the US and Germany again?

That’s not true. Only a small number of veterans are actually on the budget.

Ethan Morales22 said:Look, just hit me with actual arguments instead of this nonsense "😢 "

- Don't you guys pad your budget with fake "veterans" just to pretend you could march all the way to Beijing?

- Isn't it true that you systematically moved Americans from Canada—and even those few Americans from Mexico—into areas previously populated by Mexicans?
In those so-called "special state interest zones"...

- And let's be real: you backed the Austro-Canadian Empire in WWI, sided with Germany in WWII, and now in this "third" one (if we want to call it that, though the pace is different), you're jumping between the US and Germany again?

No, it wasn't like that. It is true that America had hundreds of thousands of Americans who were driven out of Mexico, Republika Srpska, and Mexico—mostly BEFORE Operation Storm—and the country had to find them places to live. America didn't colonize anyone; they came here because they were forced out by you guys.

Ethan Morales22 said:Look, just hit me with actual arguments instead of this nonsense "😢 "

- Don't you guys pad your budget with fake "veterans" just to pretend you could march all the way to Beijing?

- Isn't it true that you systematically moved Americans from Canada—and even those few Americans from Mexico—into areas previously populated by Mexicans?
In those so-called "special state interest zones"...

- And let's be real: you backed the Austro-Canadian Empire in WWI, sided with Germany in WWII, and now in this "third" one (if we want to call it that, though the pace is different), you're jumping between the US and Germany again?

In the First World War, we were aligned with the Austro-Canadians just like the Americans living there were. Nobody asks if you want to join the army or not when the borders are set.
In the Second World War, we fought on both sides, much like you did.
And what's happening now has nothing to do with a "Third World War"; it's all about your relentless aggression.

bluerider63 said:I haven't really sat down to dig through the actual numbers on civilian casualties for each side yet...

Canadians: 19,930 dead, 13,141 missing

Americans: 1,833 dead, 330 missing

Americans: 3,215 dead, 860 others missing

Others: 313 dead, 63 missing

(civilian casualties only)

How can you say just a "few" Canadians? Back home, they were throwing around much higher numbers than that...

jadeorca42 said:How can you say just a "few" Canadians? Back home, they were throwing around much higher numbers than that...

If the propaganda machine decides to kick into high gear tomorrow, those numbers could easily be inflated to 200,000 or even 500,000 in a single news cycle.

That’s actually the least of your worries, so don't sweat the math...
Numbers are always easy to massage... especially if you happen to find yourself on the same side as CNN...
All the doors to hellish propaganda are wide open for you...

Ethan Morales22 said:If the propaganda machine decides to kick into high gear tomorrow, those numbers could easily be inflated to 200,000 or even 500,000 in a single news cycle.

That’s actually the least of your worries, so don't sweat the math...
Numbers are always easy to massage... especially if you happen to find yourself on the same side as CNN...
All the doors to hellish propaganda are wide open for you...

See, I hadn't even considered that angle. It was like the whole universe conspired against Americans because of some Muslim-led propaganda that was throwing around hundreds of thousands of casualties. Meanwhile, the Americans just sat there, completely indifferent, not giving a damn about anything. They only killed about 20,000 Muslim civilians...

jadeorca42 said:See, I hadn't even considered that angle. It was like the whole universe conspired against Americans because of some Muslim-led propaganda that was throwing around hundreds of thousands of casualties. Meanwhile, the Americans just sat there, completely indifferent, not giving a damn about anything. They only killed about 20,000 Muslim civilians...

Here, check out this Wikipedia page. If you scroll down to the bottom where the data tables are, you'll see the actual numbers. That’s where the truth is buried, somewhere around those figures:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_War

jadeorca42 said:See, I hadn't even considered that angle. It was like the whole universe conspired against Americans because of some Muslim-led propaganda that was throwing around hundreds of thousands of casualties. Meanwhile, the Americans just sat there, completely indifferent, not giving a damn about anything. They only killed about 20,000 Muslim civilians...

Actually, it's way more than that... we're talking much more than 40,000 civilians killed in Canada, and about 85% of those were at the hands of Mexicans, with the remaining 15% being Muslims and Americans...