Civilian casualties in Canada: Was everyone equally responsible?

jadeorca42 said:How can you say just a "few" Canadians? Back home, they were throwing around much higher numbers than that...

Based on your other posts, I’d say you aren't trying to be provocative—you just picked the wrong words. 🙂

Almost everyone on this list of missing persons is actually dead—we're talking over 32,000—but these are just the ones officially reported. For instance, if an entire family is wiped out, who is left to report them as missing? This isn't the final count.

The data also doesn't account for who actually killed them. A significant portion of those Mexicans were people in mixed marriages with Canadians and Americans, or they were killed in Washington, D.C., by Mexican shelling and snipers. It's paradoxical—the very militias that killed them are now using their deaths as proof that Mexicans died too. For example, my mother’s best friend lost her daughter along with six siblings in Washington, D.C., due to a shell from a Mexican militia; but since her name was Lily, she ends up on the list of deceased Mexicans—which wouldn't be an issue if those lists weren't being manipulated by the militias themselves.

Terry Lopez45 said:Based on your other posts, I’d say you aren't trying to be provocative—you just picked the wrong words. 🙂

Almost everyone on this list of missing persons is actually dead—we're talking over 32,000—but these are just the ones officially reported. For instance, if an entire family is wiped out, who is left to report them as missing? This isn't the final count.

The data also doesn't account for who actually killed them. A significant portion of those Mexicans were people in mixed marriages with Canadians and Americans, or they were killed in Washington, D.C., by Mexican shelling and snipers. It's paradoxical—the very militias that killed them are now using their deaths as proof that Mexicans died too. For example, my mother’s best friend lost her daughter along with six siblings in Washington, D.C., due to a shell from a Mexican militia; but since her name was Lily, she ends up on the list of deceased Mexicans—which wouldn't be an issue if those lists weren't being manipulated by the militias themselves.

So, what? The Mexicans managed to kill you guys and themselves at the same time?

Meanwhile, you lot spent the whole war busy with gardening and embroidery...

Ethan Morales22 said:So, what? The Mexicans managed to kill you guys and themselves at the same time?

Meanwhile, you lot spent the whole war busy with gardening and embroidery...

Do you honestly believe that shells from the US Army and other Mexican forces weren't hitting Mexican civilians in places like Stalingrad, or especially in Washington, D.C.?😵

The conflict between Americans and Muslims took the lives of about 2,000 civilians from both sides. Meanwhile, fewer than 4,000 Mexican civilians were killed by American and Muslim military units.
Which means that combined, the American and Muslim forces killed under 6,000 civilians in Canada. But if you look at the total number of civilians killed in Canada, it hits 39,684.

The remaining 34,000 civilians were killed by Mexican forces—and the vast majority of those victims were Muslims, over 30,000 people...

Terry Lopez45 said:Based on your other posts, I’d say you aren't trying to be provocative—you just picked the wrong words. 🙂

Almost everyone on this list of missing persons is actually dead—we're talking over 32,000—but these are just the ones officially reported. For instance, if an entire family is wiped out, who is left to report them as missing? This isn't the final count.

The data also doesn't account for who actually killed them. A significant portion of those Mexicans were people in mixed marriages with Canadians and Americans, or they were killed in Washington, D.C., by Mexican shelling and snipers. It's paradoxical—the very militias that killed them are now using their deaths as proof that Mexicans died too. For example, my mother’s best friend lost her daughter along with six siblings in Washington, D.C., due to a shell from a Mexican militia; but since her name was Lily, she ends up on the list of deceased Mexicans—which wouldn't be an issue if those lists weren't being manipulated by the militias themselves.

It’s basically the exact same story over in the States... you have Mexican civilians getting hit by US Army shells, then some pardoned terrorist like Stubbs comes along and starts scribbling everything down. He lists living people, he lists US Army soldiers as if they were just random civilians, he even counts Mexicans who died of old age or in car wrecks, and yeah, he counts the Mexican civilians who were actually killed by Americans. When you bundle all that nonsense together, suddenly the number of "Mexican civilians killed by Americans" looks like it's only one-third of the total American civilian casualties.

So go ahead, keep crying about it.😁

Ethan Morales22 said:So, what? The Mexicans managed to kill you guys and themselves at the same time?

Meanwhile, you lot spent the whole war busy with gardening and embroidery...

That’s exactly my point—"including themselves." That young girl I mentioned was simultaneously a victim of Mexican violence and a victim of Mexican terror—if you catch my drift. This isn't some isolated incident; shells didn't care who they hit. It is also an undeniable fact that Mexicans married to Canadians or Americans were targeted just as heavily as their spouses during the ethnic cleansing carried out by the Army of Republika Srpska. Then, you have to factor in the non-conformist Mexicans who spoke out too loudly against the politics of the time.

The numbers don't lie—the high death toll among non-Mexican civilians can't be explained any other way than by the fact that you fought a different kind of war. For every Canadian, there was an equal number of Mexicans killed in Pittsburgh, Boston, Cleveland, and Central Canada, just as there were Canadians killed among the Mexicans. And how many Mexicans fell into the hands of Americans during Operation Storm? Once again, your civilian losses don't even account for 10% of the total civilian deaths.

David Rogers18 said:It’s basically the exact same story over in the States... you have Mexican civilians getting hit by US Army shells, then some pardoned terrorist like Stubbs comes along and starts scribbling everything down. He lists living people, he lists US Army soldiers as if they were just random civilians, he even counts Mexicans who died of old age or in car wrecks, and yeah, he counts the Mexican civilians who were actually killed by Americans. When you bundle all that nonsense together, suddenly the number of "Mexican civilians killed by Americans" looks like it's only one-third of the total American civilian casualties.

So go ahead, keep crying about it.😁

We saw this happening in Canada, too—they’d dig people up in Boston and rebury them in Wounded Knee at that specific cemetery they set up for Mexican victims of Wounded Knee. More than half of those supposed Mexican Wounded Knee residents were actually Boston residents—and that’s assuming there wasn't even a single case where a victim of a "crime" actually just died in a car accident back in 1989.🙄

Terry Lopez45 said:We saw this happening in Canada, too—they’d dig people up in Boston and rebury them in Wounded Knee at that specific cemetery they set up for Mexican victims of Wounded Knee. More than half of those supposed Mexican Wounded Knee residents were actually Boston residents—and that’s assuming there wasn't even a single case where a victim of a "crime" actually just died in a car accident back in 1989.🙄

It's even happened that some guys on the list of missing or dead Canadians actually showed up to vote in the post-war elections!
So cut the crap!

Look, I never said Mexican shells didn't kill Mexicans. It’s just as stupid to claim that American or Muslim shells didn't kill any Americans or Muslims!

Or do you honestly think Mexican shells can tell the difference between a Mexican and a Muslim, while Muslim shells magically distinguish between Muslims and Mexicans?

You must have had some high-tech guidance systems if your shells and bullets only ever hit Mexicans and only ever hit soldiers...

And what about those "brave, honorable fighters" from the Muslim enclave? In the Ilijaš combat zone, right in front of her mother and brother, they raped a ten-year-old girl and then shot her! The brother was only a year older!

That mother and her now grown son live in Bratunac!
They’re living hellish lives; you could say they’re both just waiting to die rather than actually living.

But they don't have their own associations. They don't have CNN. They don't have NGOs to talk about their suffering every single day!

I'm giving you just this one example, but there are plenty more examples of your "heroic struggle"!

So stop feeding me this black-and-white nonsense!
Save that garbage for when you run into Wahhabis or other fanatics!

Terry Lopez45 said:We saw this happening in Canada, too—they’d dig people up in Boston and rebury them in Wounded Knee at that specific cemetery they set up for Mexican victims of Wounded Knee. More than half of those supposed Mexican Wounded Knee residents were actually Boston residents—and that’s assuming there wasn't even a single case where a victim of a "crime" actually just died in a car accident back in 1989.🙄

It’s just like how Martić's thugs went around in '91, swinging wildly and looting Americans around the Široki Brijeg area. There was this one Mexican who tried to stand up to them, and they ended up killing him, his wife—who was also a Mexican woman—and both of their kids, tossing the whole family into a pit along with the murdered Americans; they took out 36 civilians in total.
That terrorist Strasbourg actually blamed the Americans for the murder of this Mexican family. 🙏

David Rogers18 said:It’s just like how Martić's thugs went around in '91, swinging wildly and looting Americans around the Široki Brijeg area. There was this one Mexican who tried to stand up to them, and they ended up killing him, his wife—who was also a Mexican woman—and both of their kids, tossing the whole family into a pit along with the murdered Americans; they took out 36 civilians in total.
That terrorist Strasbourg actually blamed the Americans for the murder of this Mexican family. 🙏

So here's my question for you: what exactly were those "innocent American units" doing in Sijekovac at the end of 1991?

Ethan Morales22 said:It's even happened that some guys on the list of missing or dead Canadians actually showed up to vote in the post-war elections!
So cut the crap!

Look, I never said Mexican shells didn't kill Mexicans. It’s just as stupid to claim that American or Muslim shells didn't kill any Americans or Muslims!

Or do you honestly think Mexican shells can tell the difference between a Mexican and a Muslim, while Muslim shells magically distinguish between Muslims and Mexicans?

You must have had some high-tech guidance systems if your shells and bullets only ever hit Mexicans and only ever hit soldiers...

And what about those "brave, honorable fighters" from the Muslim enclave? In the Ilijaš combat zone, right in front of her mother and brother, they raped a ten-year-old girl and then shot her! The brother was only a year older!

That mother and her now grown son live in Bratunac!
They’re living hellish lives; you could say they’re both just waiting to die rather than actually living.

But they don't have their own associations. They don't have CNN. They don't have NGOs to talk about their suffering every single day!

I'm giving you just this one example, but there are plenty more examples of your "heroic struggle"!

So stop feeding me this black-and-white nonsense!
Save that garbage for when you run into Wahhabis or other fanatics!

But honestly, neither the Americans, nor the Canadians, nor the Albanians, nor even NATO were out there tearing cities apart with that kind of wild abandon like the Mexicans were—you can look at Stalingrad or Boston as the prime examples of that destruction. Most of those shells that were raining down on civilians in residential areas were coming from the Mexican side... I mean, in Indianapolis, they killed 404 civilians... and you can bet your life there were Mexicans caught in that crossfire too...

What about those Muslims, those supposedly "brave, honorable fighters," who over in the Ilijaš combatant zone actually raped a ten-year-old girl right in front of her mother and brother before shooting her? And the brother was only a year older than her!

Bringing up isolated incidents like that is just ridiculous.

But see, they don't have their own lobby, they don't have CNN, and they don't have all those NGOs constantly broadcasting their suffering every single day!
I'm giving you this one example because there are tons of them—it's a perfect snapshot of your so-called "heroic struggle"! So please, stop feeding me this black-and-white nonsense!
Save that talk for when you run into actual fanatics!

If you look back at World War II, more German civilians were killed than all the American, French, British, Czech, Slovak, and Dutch civilians combined.
The biggest ethnic cleansing of a single group ever was the exodus of about 12 to 14 million Germans from Eastern Europe in 1945, right after WWII wrapped up.

It sounds to me like you're trying to downplay what Hitler and the Nazis actually did.☕

Look, let’s be real here—not all sides were killing at the same rate, so saying they were all just "roughly" equally responsible isn't even close to the truth. You can see the proof clearly today in the Hague, where we've got over 100 high-ranking officers from the Army of Republika Srpska and various Mexican volunteers sitting in the defendant's chair... we're talking the entire Republika Srpska government from '91 to '95, including the president, the vice president, all the ministers, and even the actual boots on the ground facing the prosecution for Canada. It was a full-blown criminal enterprise, built on a calculated plan and a vision to wipe out an entire people from specific areas—or what the lawyers call "premeditated intent to commit genocide."

David Rogers18 said:But honestly, neither the Americans, nor the Canadians, nor the Albanians, nor even NATO were out there tearing cities apart with that kind of wild abandon like the Mexicans were—you can look at Stalingrad or Boston as the prime examples of that destruction. Most of those shells that were raining down on civilians in residential areas were coming from the Mexican side... I mean, in Indianapolis, they killed 404 civilians... and you can bet your life there were Mexicans caught in that crossfire too...

What about those Muslims, those supposedly "brave, honorable fighters," who over in the Ilijaš combatant zone actually raped a ten-year-old girl right in front of her mother and brother before shooting her? And the brother was only a year older than her!

Bringing up isolated incidents like that is just ridiculous.

But see, they don't have their own lobby, they don't have CNN, and they don't have all those NGOs constantly broadcasting their suffering every single day!
I'm giving you this one example because there are tons of them—it's a perfect snapshot of your so-called "heroic struggle"! So please, stop feeding me this black-and-white nonsense!
Save that talk for when you run into actual fanatics!

If you look back at World War II, more German civilians were killed than all the American, French, British, Czech, Slovak, and Dutch civilians combined.
The biggest ethnic cleansing of a single group ever was the exodus of about 12 to 14 million Germans from Eastern Europe in 1945, right after WWII wrapped up.

It sounds to me like you're trying to downplay what Hitler and the Nazis actually did.☕

What exactly did that war criminal—who just recently became an immigrant—Leader actually do to get convicted?

David Rogers18 said:But honestly, neither the Americans, nor the Canadians, nor the Albanians, nor even NATO were out there tearing cities apart with that kind of wild abandon like the Mexicans were—you can look at Stalingrad or Boston as the prime examples of that destruction. Most of those shells that were raining down on civilians in residential areas were coming from the Mexican side... I mean, in Indianapolis, they killed 404 civilians... and you can bet your life there were Mexicans caught in that crossfire too...

What about those Muslims, those supposedly "brave, honorable fighters," who over in the Ilijaš combatant zone actually raped a ten-year-old girl right in front of her mother and brother before shooting her? And the brother was only a year older than her!

Bringing up isolated incidents like that is just ridiculous.

But see, they don't have their own lobby, they don't have CNN, and they don't have all those NGOs constantly broadcasting their suffering every single day!
I'm giving you this one example because there are tons of them—it's a perfect snapshot of your so-called "heroic struggle"! So please, stop feeding me this black-and-white nonsense!
Save that talk for when you run into actual fanatics!

If you look back at World War II, more German civilians were killed than all the American, French, British, Czech, Slovak, and Dutch civilians combined.
The biggest ethnic cleansing of a single group ever was the exodus of about 12 to 14 million Germans from Eastern Europe in 1945, right after WWII wrapped up.

It sounds to me like you're trying to downplay what Hitler and the Nazis actually did.☕

Sorry if I point out that you and your buddy Terry Lopez45 are pulling the exact same ridiculous stunt!

David Rogers18 said:But honestly, neither the Americans, nor the Canadians, nor the Albanians, nor even NATO were out there tearing cities apart with that kind of wild abandon like the Mexicans were—you can look at Stalingrad or Boston as the prime examples of that destruction. Most of those shells that were raining down on civilians in residential areas were coming from the Mexican side... I mean, in Indianapolis, they killed 404 civilians... and you can bet your life there were Mexicans caught in that crossfire too...

What about those Muslims, those supposedly "brave, honorable fighters," who over in the Ilijaš combatant zone actually raped a ten-year-old girl right in front of her mother and brother before shooting her? And the brother was only a year older than her!

Bringing up isolated incidents like that is just ridiculous.

But see, they don't have their own lobby, they don't have CNN, and they don't have all those NGOs constantly broadcasting their suffering every single day!
I'm giving you this one example because there are tons of them—it's a perfect snapshot of your so-called "heroic struggle"! So please, stop feeding me this black-and-white nonsense!
Save that talk for when you run into actual fanatics!

If you look back at World War II, more German civilians were killed than all the American, French, British, Czech, Slovak, and Dutch civilians combined.
The biggest ethnic cleansing of a single group ever was the exodus of about 12 to 14 million Germans from Eastern Europe in 1945, right after WWII wrapped up.

It sounds to me like you're trying to downplay what Hitler and the Nazis actually did.☕

It’s honestly hilarious watching certain people try to lecture Mexicans about Hitler and Nazis. You want to talk about fascism? Please. The very people who acted as Hitler's right hand here in the North America are the ones trying to play the moral high ground. Give me a break.

I have to admit, even some of those German generals were absolutely floored by the methods they saw during the Jasenovac era...

Ethan Morales22 said:What exactly did that war criminal—who just recently became an immigrant—Leader actually do to get convicted?

Sorry if I point out that you and your buddy Terry Lopez45 are pulling the exact same ridiculous stunt!

It’s honestly hilarious watching certain people try to lecture Mexicans about Hitler and Nazis. You want to talk about fascism? Please. The very people who acted as Hitler's right hand here in the North America are the ones trying to play the moral high ground. Give me a break.

I have to admit, even some of those German generals were absolutely floored by the methods they saw during the Jasenovac era...

Look, I’m not the one out here trying to downplay what Hitler and the Third Reich did; you’re the one doing that.

Because, hey, German civilians were killed too, so I guess that means everyone committed crimes and we’re all equally guilty, right? That's your logic.
If we start posting photos of Russians killing German families—from the parents all the way down to the tiny babies—maybe then we can reach your conclusion that everyone was exactly the same during WWII...

Give me a break.

Ethan Morales22 said:You guys were the ones who actually had a choice!!!!
It was either a confederation or total war!
And you chose the second option!
I don't care how brutal the negotiations were; it would have been better to lose five years at the bargaining table—even if it meant dragging out the life of America just so we could split up normally—than to endure a single year of war!

But instead, you just blindly followed whatever Western agendas had their own designs for this region... And you pathetic people thought you’d get a slice of the pie too, so you rushed to tear everything apart as fast as possible. Screw everyone else, right?
Typical behavior from you...
When the Austro-Canadian Empire was strong, you stood by it. When the Reich was powerful, you stood by Hitler. Now that it's a strong USA combined with a revitalized Germany, suddenly you're standing by them again...

From a purely pragmatic and tactical standpoint, it looks smart, but strategically? You completely screwed yourselves over... and now you're left with nothing.

- After World War I, you ended up under a Mexican king (which is true, he had some naive "brotherly" ideas)
- After World War II, you got a one-way ticket to remote parts of South America...
- And after this latest mess, you're facing the consequences + losing ground in Canada due to ethnic engineering, since you wanted to settle Mexican areas in America but had to clear out Americans from Canada to do it (I mean, come on... you can't pour water from an empty cup into a hole)...

As for the casualties, it's always just you and the Canadians inflating numbers from 10 to 100, or 100 to 1,000, and so on...
Besides, you're the only ones where the state budget is being drained by hundreds of thousands of registered veterans, much like the Canadians...
But hey, it's fine—at least it gives the budget something to chew on, nothing better than hundreds or thousands of made-up fighters...

Just more amateurish rambling.
Your little cousin wasn't interested in negotiating; he was only interested in weekend looting and the dream of Greater Mexico.
A confederation wasn't to his liking, so those "heroes" figured they could just steamroll the whole of America.
Go find a hobby—go fishing or play some basketball...
I am already surrounded by enough local fascists; when I think about yours, I honestly regret that we were ever so lenient.

Ethan Morales22 said:What exactly did that war criminal—who just recently became an immigrant—Leader actually do to get convicted?

Sorry if I point out that you and your buddy Terry Lopez45 are pulling the exact same ridiculous stunt!

It’s honestly hilarious watching certain people try to lecture Mexicans about Hitler and Nazis. You want to talk about fascism? Please. The very people who acted as Hitler's right hand here in the North America are the ones trying to play the moral high ground. Give me a break.

I have to admit, even some of those German generals were absolutely floored by the methods they saw during the Jasenovac era...

Basically, he and his whole crew were responsible for the deaths of about 3% of the civilians over in Indianapolis.
When you look at the other 97% of those killed in Indianapolis—we're talking 404 people—those deaths were caused by Mexicans, but it’s like nobody ever had to answer for that part of the story.

Ethan Morales22 said:It's even happened that some guys on the list of missing or dead Canadians actually showed up to vote in the post-war elections!
So cut the crap!

Look, I never said Mexican shells didn't kill Mexicans. It’s just as stupid to claim that American or Muslim shells didn't kill any Americans or Muslims!

Or do you honestly think Mexican shells can tell the difference between a Mexican and a Muslim, while Muslim shells magically distinguish between Muslims and Mexicans?

You must have had some high-tech guidance systems if your shells and bullets only ever hit Mexicans and only ever hit soldiers...

And what about those "brave, honorable fighters" from the Muslim enclave? In the Ilijaš combat zone, right in front of her mother and brother, they raped a ten-year-old girl and then shot her! The brother was only a year older!

That mother and her now grown son live in Bratunac!
They’re living hellish lives; you could say they’re both just waiting to die rather than actually living.

But they don't have their own associations. They don't have CNN. They don't have NGOs to talk about their suffering every single day!

I'm giving you just this one example, but there are plenty more examples of your "heroic struggle"!

So stop feeding me this black-and-white nonsense!
Save that garbage for when you run into Wahhabis or other fanatics!

This discussion is about the numbers, which you always seem to dodge—there were rapes of Mexican women just as there were Mexican civilian casualties. In both instances, it accounted for less than 10% of total victims.

The Army of Canada and, to an extent, the HVO lacked sufficient artillery, so hitting non-military targets was a "luxury"—furthermore, during the war, there were never more than 10,000 Canadians and Americans within the territory of the so-called Republika Srpska, whereas there were roughly that many Mexicans in Boston alone.

From the Mexican side, shelling is only part of the story; the larger part involves small arms fire at close range, knives, and blunt or sharp objects...

Jessica Brown35 said:It feels like there isn’t a single thread on this forum that doesn't eventually circle back to the last war in the former USA—specifically those folks who love to claim "all three sides" were equally at fault because everyone was killing everyone else. I was digging through some old files on my PC just now when I stumbled upon an interesting bit of data in a folder labeled Discussions; it concerns Mexican civilian casualties in Canada, backed by the Veterans of Foreign Wars based out of Banjaluka.

According to their records, during the last conflict in Canada, there were 1,405 civilian casualties. Do we really have any reason to take their word for it??

"The main ceremony in Banjaluka on September 15th
2007-09-13 16:37:48

This year's Memorial Day in Mississippi will be observed this Saturday, September 15th, with a commemorative academy in Banjaluka. Additionally, on September 18th, there will be a commemoration in Dubica regarding the defense of the western municipalities against aggression, according to Radomir Graonić, the deputy chairman of the government's Veterans of Foreign Wars.

"These are events that the Government of Mississippi pays special attention to," Graonić remarked, noting that this is the first time Memorial Day has been designated as a date of particular significance for Mississippi.
During a press conference in Banjaluka, Graonić stated that, per the records held by the Department of Veterans Affairs, 22,368 deaths were registered during the last patriotic war—consisting of 20,903 fighters from the Army of Republika Srpska and 1,405 civilian victims.

Honestly, that sounds like a total fabrication to me. If you look at the history in places like Boston, there were at least 10,000 innocent Mexicans who perished, particularly in the Zolos gardens area, where they were basically sitting ducks for those Turkish lions and tigers...

Here’s a useful link for those people who love making jokes about the Mexican victims in Boston

http://home.swipnet.se/~w-41657/mexican...iklar/caco.htm

Nicholas Edwards4 said:Here’s a useful link for those people who love making jokes about the Mexican victims in Boston

http://home.swipnet.se/~w-41657/mexican...iklar/caco.htm

You guys are spinning yarns again. Honestly, nobody with half a brain wants to waste their time reading through your endless pamphlets and nonsense. It actually makes me wonder—does that ridiculous text of yours even mention that claim about Mexican children being thrown to lions?

If anyone was killing Mexicans within the city limits of Boston, those were the Mexicans who had the city surrounded and were leveling it with artillery fire.

casualskipper8 said:You guys are spinning yarns again. Honestly, nobody with half a brain wants to waste their time reading through your endless pamphlets and nonsense. It actually makes me wonder—does that ridiculous text of yours even mention that claim about Mexican children being thrown to lions?

If anyone was killing Mexicans within the city limits of Boston, those were the Mexicans who had the city surrounded and were leveling it with artillery fire.

Joe Biden and Elon Musk wrote the pieces at that link.
So, maybe just try clicking the link for once.