Ed Gein sentenced

Sandra Parker3 said:Give me that definition—the actual medical one, not some hearsay version. I need the officially recognized one.

Look, you really need to distinguish between being a monster physically and being one psychologically.

A three-headed monster isn't going to cause any trouble, but you can never really trust a one-headed freak.

I don't know what you're even talking about at this hour.

Let's assume we're talking about psychological monsters. Are you actually using "monster" to mean "evil person"?!
Are you suggesting Ed Gein is an evil man (because he seems perfectly normal!?) while others aren't considered evil just because they aren't "normal"—even if they could kill or rape, which they probably have?🤷

Intellectual disabilities and various disorders are mental illnesses. I doubt any of them truly grasp what they are doing.☕

slypuma17 said:When faced with crimes of this magnitude—with this level of pure monstrosity—the human mind tends to stall out, just... stunned.
It’s difficult to pinpoint exactly what makes his intentions so fundamentally "wrong," or where the line between a dark thought and true evil was crossed; we might never truly grasp that distinction.

However, one thing is certain: a plan executed with such terrifyingly precise realization would never have been possible if society functioned under a different set of norms—norms that I believe are entirely achievable.

In many ways, this individual took the traditional patriarchal structure and twisted it into a grotesque caricature of itself.

Perhaps there is a lesson to be gleaned from all this?

🤣🤣🤣

Does anyone here actually remember how they finally caught him?

crimsonheron80 said:🤣🤣🤣

I have to ask—what exactly is so funny about this? 😕

slypuma17 said:I have to ask—what exactly is so funny about this? 😕

And what exactly should they be learning?🤷 😂

I don't know. It's just funny to me.🤷😂

crimsonheron80 said:Let's assume we're talking about psychological monsters. Are you actually using "monster" to mean "evil person"?!
Are you suggesting Ed Gein is an evil man (because he seems perfectly normal!?) while others aren't considered evil just because they aren't "normal"—even if they could kill or rape, which they probably have?🤷

Intellectual disabilities and various disorders are mental illnesses. I doubt any of them truly grasp what they are doing.☕

I don't think so—it has to be something deeper than that, though I'm not buying into some collective unconsciousness of evil in a case like this.
You're really latching onto one single word, call it whatever you want,
but if you truly want my take, a "monster" in this context is someone whose actions deserve nothing less than a bullet to the head and that's that.

And let's not forget, one bullet for everyone else who had the chance to stop them but didn't.
And why do you think the trial was handled so fast and efficiently, huh?

crimsonheron80 said:Let's assume we're talking about psychological monsters. Are you actually using "monster" to mean "evil person"?!
Are you suggesting Ed Gein is an evil man (because he seems perfectly normal!?) while others aren't considered evil just because they aren't "normal"—even if they could kill or rape, which they probably have?🤷

Intellectual disabilities and various disorders are mental illnesses. I doubt any of them truly grasp what they are doing.☕

I have no idea what goes on in his head, and like I said before, I'm more interested in the lawyer's mind and the brains of everyone else involved who walked away without being tried.
God forbid we even dig into that (though I don't know all the details since I haven't followed it closely—just hearing about that Christmas tree thing made me sick).

Who's saying he's normal? I said he's intellectually capable, but that's hardly a guarantee that someone won't commit atrocities, right?

And I wasn't talking about "abnormality" in terms of intellectual disabilities.
Honestly, I wouldn't bet on anyone's "normality" either way.

crimsonheron80 said:Let's assume we're talking about psychological monsters. Are you actually using "monster" to mean "evil person"?!
Are you suggesting Ed Gein is an evil man (because he seems perfectly normal!?) while others aren't considered evil just because they aren't "normal"—even if they could kill or rape, which they probably have?🤷

Intellectual disabilities and various disorders are mental illnesses. I doubt any of them truly grasp what they are doing.☕

Who exactly are you talking about?
Where do you even draw the line on being conscious of your own actions?
Even psychiatrists can't give you a straight answer on that.

Come on, name them... how many people in this whole mess were actually "unaware"?

crimsonheron80 said:And what exactly should they be learning?🤷 😂

I don't know. It's just funny to me.🤷😂

Well, that’s it then. It’s just the usual: "Fritzl is the only monster here, we’re all perfectly saintly, and the world we live in is just sunshine and rainbows." 🙄

I don't know... I just find the whole thing kind of hilarious.🤷😂

I honestly envy you. If I had my way, I’d be standing exactly where you are right now. 🤷

Sandra Parker3 said:I don't think so—it has to be something deeper than that, though I'm not buying into some collective unconsciousness of evil in a case like this.
You're really latching onto one single word, call it whatever you want,
but if you truly want my take, a "monster" in this context is someone whose actions deserve nothing less than a bullet to the head and that's that.

And let's not forget, one bullet for everyone else who had the chance to stop them but didn't.
And why do you think the trial was handled so fast and efficiently, huh?

I have no idea what goes on in his head, and like I said before, I'm more interested in the lawyer's mind and the brains of everyone else involved who walked away without being tried.
God forbid we even dig into that (though I don't know all the details since I haven't followed it closely—just hearing about that Christmas tree thing made me sick).

Who's saying he's normal? I said he's intellectually capable, but that's hardly a guarantee that someone won't commit atrocities, right?

And I wasn't talking about "abnormality" in terms of intellectual disabilities.
Honestly, I wouldn't bet on anyone's "normality" either way.

Who exactly are you talking about?
Where do you even draw the line on being conscious of your own actions?
Even psychiatrists can't give you a straight answer on that.

Come on, name them... how many people in this whole mess were actually "unaware"?

Not at all—forget the bullet. Fritzl should be tucked away in a comfortable facility, complete with perks. Every few days, a specialist should sit down with him for casual, friendly chats. Somewhere he can unwind, light up a cigar, and just talk about... anything. The weather, his favorite colors, what he likes to eat, his first experience with intimacy, things like that.
The idea is to actually learn something, if such a thing is even possible—to pinpoint exactly where and how that fatal "glitch" formed in his brain. 🤷

The real nightmare would be if he becomes a "celebrity," if you catch my drift.

and of course, I shouldn't forget: one bullet for every person who had the chance to stop this and didn't.

Now those people? They’re fascinating. Perhaps even more so than Fritzl himself.

crimsonheron80 said:I honestly have no idea what a "monster" actually is. Can someone explain it to me? I can't even find a clear definition online.

I remember once walking past this certain institution where there were these distorted, deformed people wandering through the garden, screaming and wailing...😱
During the war, everyone fled that facility and ran through the streets completely naked.🤷

It isn't about being intellectually disabled or having some specific disorder or illness. My mother used to call them "monsters"—and later, a relative of mine studying medicine said the same thing. I still don't quite grasp what that term actually implies. Most people just are, I suppose.🤷😕😂

Which institution was it? I'm curious.
I think I read an article once about how they were raised under those Nazi-era eugenics programs. Maybe you should try Googling it more thoroughly, RJ.

Edward Flores4 said:Honestly, modern society—with all its isolation and lack of connection—basically provides the perfect vacuum for these kinds of people to act out the darker impulses of our collective subconscious.

It’s always so much easier to just point at a "monster," slap a clinical diagnosis on them, and pretend that society isn't partially to blame for creating the conditions that allowed such a person to exist in the first place. It's a way to dodge accountability for our own negligence.

Think about it—there were likely hundreds of neighbors who knew the girl had "gone missing," but nobody really gave a damn. People just stayed behind their locked doors in their suburban houses, minding their own business and ignoring the fact that she was essentially leaving her kids on the doorstep. Everyone stays in their own little bubble, focused only on their own lives.

At the end of the day, you get the individuals that the culture produces. Nothing happens in a vacuum!

This is what gets to me most. I find it impossible to believe that not a single neighbor, tenant, or spouse—absolutely nobody—suspected a thing for 24 years!

Looking at Fritzl’s twisted face, he looks like the literal incarnation of a demon, or perhaps just a manifestation of the darkest parts of our collective subconscious.

But what about these "normal" people?

They absolutely disgust me. 👎

crimsonheron80 said:Hmm. But from what I saw, those people looked like an absolute nightmare. They were screaming for votes like rabid animals, completely lost. Honestly, watching it made me physically ill. WTF... do they even possess basic human emotions? What makes them human?

What exactly are you talking about?

Drew Morgan said:This is what gets to me most. I find it impossible to believe that not a single neighbor, tenant, or spouse—absolutely nobody—suspected a thing for 24 years!

Looking at Fritzl’s twisted face, he looks like the literal incarnation of a demon, or perhaps just a manifestation of the darkest parts of our collective subconscious.

But what about these "normal" people?

They absolutely disgust me. 👎

At least they were actually looking for Natash. If he had been any smarter, he probably would have played the part of the concerned husband better. It seems like his intelligence failed him there. Or, if he did notice something, maybe he was the one making threats. I think you guys are jumping to conclusions too.

Raymond Ruiz94 said:At least they were actually looking for Natash. If he had been any smarter, he probably would have played the part of the concerned husband better. It seems like his intelligence failed him there. Or, if he did notice something, maybe he was the one making threats. I think you guys are jumping to conclusions too.

Man, I have no idea what you're talking about. Explain yourself.

I was actually referring to some neighbors who seemed to notice something. Sorry about being vague earlier.

Drew Morgan said:This is what gets to me most. I find it impossible to believe that not a single neighbor, tenant, or spouse—absolutely nobody—suspected a thing for 24 years!

Looking at Fritzl’s twisted face, he looks like the literal incarnation of a demon, or perhaps just a manifestation of the darkest parts of our collective subconscious.

But what about these "normal" people?

They absolutely disgust me. 👎

Honestly, the whole idea of being "normal" basically went out the window once society became this massive, interconnected machine. We’ve been living in civilization for so long now that the very concept has lost its teeth—nobody even remembers what an actual baseline looks like anymore.

Edward Flores4 said:Honestly, the whole idea of being "normal" basically went out the window once society became this massive, interconnected machine. We’ve been living in civilization for so long now that the very concept has lost its teeth—nobody even remembers what an actual baseline looks like anymore.

If you ask me, being "normal" just means being slightly neurotic enough to function in this environment. I’m putting "normal" in quotes for a reason. No one is out there policing them, and they aren't breaking any laws. But from where I'm sitting, they aren't just a little neurotic—they're straight-up cavemen from another planet.

I saw a great Quote on another thread: All the world's evil stems from mediocrity...

Eric White10 said:Does anyone here actually remember how they finally caught him?

From what I recall, one of the kids got sick—like, her organs started failing—so Fritzl ended up taking her to the hospital. That’s when she finally had the chance to spill everything about what was going on.
I can't quite remember if it was one of the girls from the basement or one from upstairs, though.

From the basement

Drew Morgan said:If you ask me, being "normal" just means being slightly neurotic enough to function in this environment. I’m putting "normal" in quotes for a reason. No one is out there policing them, and they aren't breaking any laws. But from where I'm sitting, they aren't just a little neurotic—they're straight-up cavemen from another planet.

I saw a great Quote on another thread: All the world's evil stems from mediocrity...

pretty cool 🙂

slypuma17 said:Not at all—forget the bullet. Fritzl should be tucked away in a comfortable facility, complete with perks. Every few days, a specialist should sit down with him for casual, friendly chats. Somewhere he can unwind, light up a cigar, and just talk about... anything. The weather, his favorite colors, what he likes to eat, his first experience with intimacy, things like that.
The idea is to actually learn something, if such a thing is even possible—to pinpoint exactly where and how that fatal "glitch" formed in his brain. 🤷

The real nightmare would be if he becomes a "celebrity," if you catch my drift.

and of course, I shouldn't forget: one bullet for every person who had the chance to stop this and didn't.

Now those people? They’re fascinating. Perhaps even more so than Fritzl himself.

Ha, this reminds me of "Lambs."
I get what you mean, but why does everyone insist they have the answers and swear that a traumatic childhood is always the key?🤷

slypuma17 said:Not at all—forget the bullet. Fritzl should be tucked away in a comfortable facility, complete with perks. Every few days, a specialist should sit down with him for casual, friendly chats. Somewhere he can unwind, light up a cigar, and just talk about... anything. The weather, his favorite colors, what he likes to eat, his first experience with intimacy, things like that.
The idea is to actually learn something, if such a thing is even possible—to pinpoint exactly where and how that fatal "glitch" formed in his brain. 🤷

The real nightmare would be if he becomes a "celebrity," if you catch my drift.

and of course, I shouldn't forget: one bullet for every person who had the chance to stop this and didn't.

Now those people? They’re fascinating. Perhaps even more so than Fritzl himself.

Yeah, if only you and I could actually agree on something for once.😁
We really need to study the specific mechanisms that lead to those kinds of malfunctions.