Ed Gein sentenced

Sandra Parker3 said:Ha, this reminds me of "Lambs."
I get what you mean, but why does everyone insist they have the answers and swear that a traumatic childhood is always the key?🤷

Yeah, if only you and I could actually agree on something for once.😁
We really need to study the specific mechanisms that lead to those kinds of malfunctions.

Because they don't know any better. It’s become this universal diagnosis—this trendy way of looking at things based on the fascinating idea that every single problem starts right at birth.

The real key to cases like this is the society that actually "produces" them. Slavery systems still exist in various forms across the globe today, but Jeffrey Dahmer isn't running an empire or acting as some military dictator... so he ended up behind bars.

Developed democracies go ahead and commit crimes that are a hundred times larger and infinitely more brutal... and nobody bats an eye. His logic—as twisted and dark as it may be—is actually sound. That kind of behavior is perfectly acceptable in our world today, just not when it's being carried out by small-time individuals who lack political clout or military backing.

He was just not quite brilliant enough to realize that his little scheme was never going to be sustainable in the long run.

Edward Flores4 said:Because they don't know any better. It’s become this universal diagnosis—this trendy way of looking at things based on the fascinating idea that every single problem starts right at birth.

The real key to cases like this is the society that actually "produces" them. Slavery systems still exist in various forms across the globe today, but Jeffrey Dahmer isn't running an empire or acting as some military dictator... so he ended up behind bars.

Developed democracies go ahead and commit crimes that are a hundred times larger and infinitely more brutal... and nobody bats an eye. His logic—as twisted and dark as it may be—is actually sound. That kind of behavior is perfectly acceptable in our world today, just not when it's being carried out by small-time individuals who lack political clout or military backing.

He was just not quite brilliant enough to realize that his little scheme was never going to be sustainable in the long run.

but it isn't about being born, it's about how you're raised—or "raised"—which doesn't make the idea any less fascinating 🙄

Edward Flores4 said:Because they don't know any better. It’s become this universal diagnosis—this trendy way of looking at things based on the fascinating idea that every single problem starts right at birth.

The real key to cases like this is the society that actually "produces" them. Slavery systems still exist in various forms across the globe today, but Jeffrey Dahmer isn't running an empire or acting as some military dictator... so he ended up behind bars.

Developed democracies go ahead and commit crimes that are a hundred times larger and infinitely more brutal... and nobody bats an eye. His logic—as twisted and dark as it may be—is actually sound. That kind of behavior is perfectly acceptable in our world today, just not when it's being carried out by small-time individuals who lack political clout or military backing.

He was just not quite brilliant enough to realize that his little scheme was never going to be sustainable in the long run.

yeah, it reminds me of that little reporter who got three years just because he tied his shoes and put them in the wrong spot

Edward Flores4 said:Because they don't know any better. It’s become this universal diagnosis—this trendy way of looking at things based on the fascinating idea that every single problem starts right at birth.

The real key to cases like this is the society that actually "produces" them. Slavery systems still exist in various forms across the globe today, but Jeffrey Dahmer isn't running an empire or acting as some military dictator... so he ended up behind bars.

Developed democracies go ahead and commit crimes that are a hundred times larger and infinitely more brutal... and nobody bats an eye. His logic—as twisted and dark as it may be—is actually sound. That kind of behavior is perfectly acceptable in our world today, just not when it's being carried out by small-time individuals who lack political clout or military backing.

He was just not quite brilliant enough to realize that his little scheme was never going to be sustainable in the long run.

but he DID have support, that's the whole point

man, if only I had been that lucky

Look, I’m certainly no psychiatrist or clinical psychologist, but if you ask me, I truly believe he was incredibly aware of everything he was doing and had a crystal-clear understanding of his own methods. There’s no way he would have gone through all that effort to isolate himself from the neighbors without knowing exactly what was going on. At the end of the day, the SS knew exactly what they were doing when they set up those concentration camps, even though they went to great lengths to keep it hidden from the public for so long.
If you really want my two cents, I wouldn't even bother sending him to a mental asylum; I’d just say he deserves a bullet to the head—though honestly, even that feels like a punishment that's far too light for someone like him.

Sandra Parker3 said:Ha, this reminds me of "Lambs."
I get what you mean, but why does everyone insist they have the answers and swear that a traumatic childhood is always the key?🤷

Yeah, if only you and I could actually agree on something for once.😁
We really need to study the specific mechanisms that lead to those kinds of malfunctions.

It’s because people have a desperate craving to "know." And when they don't, they cling to these theories because actually digging for explanations—truly doing the heavy lifting of discovery—is an exhausting process. It might even be a futile one.

Quentin Tarantino:

Yeah, if you and I could manage to agree on just one thing for once.😁

Just as it's impossible to find total consensus with someone on absolutely everything, it's equally impossible to disagree on every single point. 😁

Quentin Tarantino:

One ought to examine the underlying mechanisms that trigger these specific patterns of dysfunction.

In theory, yes, we should. Especially his wife should. But... think about the logistics. What kind of profession would that even fall under? Who is going to foot the bill for that level of scrutiny? Beyond that, there's zero immediate ROI. No short-term profit to be found there, so... nothing comes of it.

I wish the old man had actually realized the depth of his depravity only after seeing his daughter’s interview on CNN... and maybe then he would have felt some genuine remorse and just come clean about everything. But honestly, if he tries to play the "mental illness" card, I'm not buying it for a second.
What really sticks in my throat, though, is how the mother sat there and let that whole circus play out for over twenty years... 🤷 In my opinion, they’re both completely unhinged and probably shouldn't be allowed anywhere near civilized society. I mean, he was molesting her starting when she was eleven, and then he locked her away once she hit adulthood... There's no way the mother didn't sense something was wrong. They share the blame for this. 🤮

Sandra Parker3 said:but it isn't about being born, it's about how you're raised—or "raised"—which doesn't make the idea any less fascinating 🙄

yeah, it reminds me of that little reporter who got three years just because he tied his shoes and put them in the wrong spot

but he DID have support, that's the whole point

man, if only I had been that lucky

Still... in order for someone to "raise" you, well, you have to actually be born first. So, at the end of the day, birth is the common denominator here. And let's face it, being born is its own kind of trauma—even for those we consider to have had a "smooth" start. It's basically the perfect breeding ground for every psychiatric diagnosis out there... it all traces back to childhood trauma if you look hard enough.🙄

The fact that some people went through absolute hell as kids and didn't end up with a mental health disorder... honestly, that doesn't really prove anything. Because, let’s be real: an idiot is still going to be an idiot—trauma or no trauma. They’ll still go through life using their childhood struggles as a sort of shield or excuse.

And why do they do it? Simple: because they need to keep their jobs. If they just admitted that someone was a complete jerk, then there would be no reason to see a therapist once a week, and all those expensive prescriptions wouldn't be doing anyone any good.🤷

Quentin Tarantino:

yeah, it just reminded me of that little reporter who got three years in prison just because he took his shoes off and put them back in the wrong spot.

Talk about irony. You have a journalist getting three years, while some international terrorist, criminal, and total imbecile walks free despite having wiped out millions of innocent lives.

And you know what's even worse? Not a single psychiatrist bothered to provide a diagnosis—not for the journalist, and certainly not for that global murderer and criminal. It's incredibly easy to point fingers at the obvious culprits... but hardly anyone is willing to work *pro bono* to defend the innocent. But hey, I guess that’s probably just more childhood trauma at work.😁

Quentin Tarantino:

but he DID have support, that's the whole point.

Support from a wife and some neighbors... sure. But nothing political or military. And nowadays, that kind of "help" doesn't carry much weight in a courtroom.🙄

I mean, just how much trauma did he have to endure to turn into a monster like that? It’s honestly chilling.
What about her mother, though? How could she possibly be oblivious? Honestly, I wouldn't even be shocked if she was secretly complicit in all that horror.
It makes you wonder how many similar atrocities are happening right now across the country without us ever catching wind of them.
Just thinking about how many women and kids are out there this very second, suffering through unimaginable abuse behind closed doors... it's heavy.

Carl Anderson76 said:I mean, just how much trauma did he have to endure to turn into a monster like that? It’s honestly chilling.
What about her mother, though? How could she possibly be oblivious? Honestly, I wouldn't even be shocked if she was secretly complicit in all that horror.
It makes you wonder how many similar atrocities are happening right now across the country without us ever catching wind of them.
Just thinking about how many women and kids are out there this very second, suffering through unimaginable abuse behind closed doors... it's heavy.

And what about her mother? How could she not notice? Honestly—it wouldn't even surprise me if she was getting a kick out of it too.
Quentin Tarantino:

I think she carries just as much blame, if not more—though I can't wrap my head around how two such sick individuals even ended up together?!

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How many more of these crimes are happening right now across the country without us ever finding out?
How many women, girls, and boys are screaming in agony this very second because someone is violating them?
Quentin Tarantino:

absolutely terrifying

Ugh, Jeffrey Dahmer. Such a disgusting criminal. Just... gross. 🙂

Carl Anderson76 said:I mean, just how much trauma did he have to endure to turn into a monster like that? It’s honestly chilling.
What about her mother, though? How could she possibly be oblivious? Honestly, I wouldn't even be shocked if she was secretly complicit in all that horror.
It makes you wonder how many similar atrocities are happening right now across the country without us ever catching wind of them.
Just thinking about how many women and kids are out there this very second, suffering through unimaginable abuse behind closed doors... it's heavy.

but... boys don't have vaginas... (honestly, looking at your profile picture, even Martin Luther King Jr., H.P. Lovecraft, and Hideo Kojima would be physically ill—me? I just shield myself with humor. Bad, dark humor. So don't judge me too harshly. And even if you do, it doesn't matter.)

Fine, the "monster" got convicted. But one question remains: I’m curious, how much of a sentence should the neighbors and the mother get if this guy is looking at life in prison (maybe 5-6 years, judging by his age)?

There’s an old saying—I think it came from some violinist, or someone like that—Albert Einstein. A genuinely smart man, truly. It goes something like this: the only people worse than those who commit evil acts are those who allow them to happen. Or, as Joe so succinctly put it: we are all to blame...

Though, naturally, there is an explanation for that: "we are all strong enough to endure the suffering of others" (La Rochefoucauld)

Hmm, true enough.

There’s this specific line of reasoning regarding why people feel compelled to inflict harm on others—whether that drive is conscious or buried deep in the subconscious. Edgar Allan Poe (whose biography is, shall we say, less than stellar) explored this concept through several of his short stories (Black Cat, William Wilson, The Imp of the Perverse, The Tell-Tale Heart,...). His core argument is that sometimes we feel an irresistible urge to do exactly what we know we shouldn't—precisely because we know it's forbidden."
He refers to this phenomenon specifically as the imp of the perverse. It makes you wonder: do some people (if not all of us) actually possess such a twisted sense of gratification derived from the suffering of others? Is there a figurative Marquis de Sade living inside everyone, waiting for the moment they can break through the surface and seize total dominance over human consciousness and action? It’s a pretty chilling thought, honestly...

Why is it that some manage to resist this impulse while others succumb? And why is it that for most people—hopefully the majority—such acts are repulsive even at a subconscious level? In short, how is it possible that there are individuals who derive genuine, conscious pleasure from inflicting pain (rape, pedophilia, murder motivated by pure sadistic thrill, and so on)?

Zachary Turner6 said:but... boys don't have vaginas... (honestly, looking at your profile picture, even Martin Luther King Jr., H.P. Lovecraft, and Hideo Kojima would be physically ill—me? I just shield myself with humor. Bad, dark humor. So don't judge me too harshly. And even if you do, it doesn't matter.)

Fine, the "monster" got convicted. But one question remains: I’m curious, how much of a sentence should the neighbors and the mother get if this guy is looking at life in prison (maybe 5-6 years, judging by his age)?

There’s an old saying—I think it came from some violinist, or someone like that—Albert Einstein. A genuinely smart man, truly. It goes something like this: the only people worse than those who commit evil acts are those who allow them to happen. Or, as Joe so succinctly put it: we are all to blame...

Though, naturally, there is an explanation for that: "we are all strong enough to endure the suffering of others" (La Rochefoucauld)

What about hermaphrodites? Genetic engineering? Reconstructive surgery? Maternity wards in Chernobyl, Hiroshima, or Nagasaki?

It seems entirely plausible that even the blind forces of random mutation decided to "gift" some boys with a vagina, much to the absolute delight of guys like Doug Stanhope.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY4LI...eature=related

Zachary Turner6 said:Hmm, true enough.

There’s this specific line of reasoning regarding why people feel compelled to inflict harm on others—whether that drive is conscious or buried deep in the subconscious. Edgar Allan Poe (whose biography is, shall we say, less than stellar) explored this concept through several of his short stories (Black Cat, William Wilson, The Imp of the Perverse, The Tell-Tale Heart,...). His core argument is that sometimes we feel an irresistible urge to do exactly what we know we shouldn't—precisely because we know it's forbidden."
He refers to this phenomenon specifically as the imp of the perverse. It makes you wonder: do some people (if not all of us) actually possess such a twisted sense of gratification derived from the suffering of others? Is there a figurative Marquis de Sade living inside everyone, waiting for the moment they can break through the surface and seize total dominance over human consciousness and action? It’s a pretty chilling thought, honestly...

Why is it that some manage to resist this impulse while others succumb? And why is it that for most people—hopefully the majority—such acts are repulsive even at a subconscious level? In short, how is it possible that there are individuals who derive genuine, conscious pleasure from inflicting pain (rape, pedophilia, murder motivated by pure sadistic thrill, and so on)?

I mean, why would anyone hope that the majority of people would resist those kinds of ideas in the first place...?

For instance, every single time I see coverage regarding the conflict between Palestinians and Jews, I get this dark, sudden impulse to channel my inner Adolf Hitler—only to do a much more thorough job than he ever did. From a Palestinian perspective, it’s honestly a shame that I end up resisting that urge every time.🤷

A person is just a boundary. What’s so strange about that?

Can someone please explain what’s going on here? Is this just so our fine gentleman doesn't have to rub elbows with the common folk, or is there something else at play?

I honestly think there are at least a thousand people in the USA who won't be able to afford that kind of comfort, constant care, and luxury when they get older...
...As for him? I’d just lock him up right where he kept his daughter and grandkids. Put him in the same kind of isolation with those exact same rules (minus the screaming and the physical abuse)... and just slide food through the door. It would be nothing more than what the locals brought him... nothing better than what he forced upon his slaves... while charging admission for tourists to wander around, film everything, and wait for his end to arrive...
His life would depend entirely on the mercy of others... every single day... until the very end... and there wouldn't be any medical care...

I just saw that he’ll be keeping all those luxuries even while in custody. Meanwhile, his daughter was forced to sell the house and move away entirely. And where are his wife and mother-in-law in all of this? Natasha only bought back her own home just to stop someone else from turning it into a profit-driven business venture.

Edward Flores4 said:I mean, why would anyone hope that the majority of people would resist those kinds of ideas in the first place...?

For instance, every single time I see coverage regarding the conflict between Palestinians and Jews, I get this dark, sudden impulse to channel my inner Adolf Hitler—only to do a much more thorough job than he ever did. From a Palestinian perspective, it’s honestly a shame that I end up resisting that urge every time.🤷

You can't really claim that every single Palestinian feels the need to see all Jews dead; that’s just lazy generalization. Besides, didn't you argue earlier that while morality might be relative, ethics must remain universal for everyone? So, it wouldn't necessarily be the "Palestinian perspective," but rather the "perspective of certain Palestinians"—or perhaps even "most Palestinians"—but certainly not the collective view of every Palestinian.
My point about "extremely amoral individuals" (even those who are mentally ill—though, is that really an "easy out"? 😕), specifically people akin to Ed Gein (or Hitler, for that matter), actually rests on that very idea of universal ethics—the inherent human capacity to distinguish "good" from "evil" that most people on this planet possess. 🤷

And since most people have this ability to tell right from wrong, they ought to recognize the importance of resisting the "demon of irrationality"—which seems to haunt nearly everyone, in one form or another. This isn't just about knowing we're wrong; it's about empathy. But more importantly, it's about pure selfishness: the recognition of ethical reciprocity. If we act this way toward others—whether consciously or not—we are essentially voting for it to become a universal rule. And if that "demon of irrationality" becomes the standard, who's to say it won't eventually be turned on us? 🤷
In fact, I suspect the entirety of ethics—along with empathy and everything else—could easily be distilled down to impulses that are fundamentally selfish, yet highly motivating once you actually sit down and think about them.

But, as I mentioned, simply reacting when it happens to us isn't enough. We aren't just responsible for our actions and our words; we are also responsible for our failures to act. In other words, empathy alone—mere wishes and pleasantries—isn't sufficient. You have to step up if you decide action is necessary. And, of course, we carry the weight of responsibility for our own judgment.

Edward Flores4 said:What about hermaphrodites? Genetic engineering? Reconstructive surgery? Maternity wards in Chernobyl, Hiroshima, or Nagasaki?

It seems entirely plausible that even the blind forces of random mutation decided to "gift" some boys with a vagina, much to the absolute delight of guys like Doug Stanhope.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY4LI...eature=related

Man, this is dark.😲😁