Sexuality in spirituality

wiredbear2 said:I’ve been doing quite a bit of reflecting lately... It strikes me that very few people have actually experienced sexuality—true intimacy—on a level that transcends the purely physical, or even that raw, animalistic drive we often fall back on.
It feels to me as though sexual connection in the Tantric sense remains an absolute mystery to the human race. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence to suggest this, though there are also countless reasons why we remain so disconnected from it.
I suppose I am essentially offering a diagnosis of our species when it comes to our sexual nature.
My dear fellow humans, you truly haven't the slightest clue what is actually happening here...
I honestly believe we are stunted as sexual beings. And really, it isn't surprising if you take a look at how neglected we've become in the spiritual realm. We are fundamentally incomplete 😁

You simply cannot have meaningful, high-quality intimacy without spirituality, much like you can't expect flowers to bloom in a meadow without the warmth of sunlight. When I speak of spirituality, I am not referring to any organized religion or labeled dogma, but rather to the human capacity for a holistic, all-encompassing experience of reality—noticing all those small and large details that surround us. A person who hasn't achieved spiritual growth or self-realization simply isn't prepared to explore the true depths and vastness of sexual connection 😉

Why do you use the word 'we'?

I believe you are perhaps mystifying both spirituality and sexuality, as well as their intersection, a bit too much. It is rather like suggesting that chanting is some sort of pre-spiritual activity for people.
Well, that depends on who you ask.
For someone who understands mantras and possesses the correct ones, it is not merely a matter of ease; rather, it serves as a genuine catalyst for spiritual advancement. The mantra itself is the tool for progress.
The same principle applies to sex.

Furthermore, I feel there is a slight exaggeration regarding these romantic, partner-based experiences. Sexual magic and Tantra are not necessarily tethered to emotions, relationships, or similar things. While it is certainly lovely to possess such a discipline and to share it with another, it is primarily a practice of self-discipline.

It strikes me as somewhat peculiar that we are discussing sexuality without any men present in the conversation 🤔 😁

Andrew Sanchez572 said:To begin with, I believe it is best to start with self-pleasure. One should truly get to know oneself before attempting to explore these things with a partner.

While it might sound unusual, using a sexual position where your head hangs off the edge of the bed—allowing the blood to rush to your head—is actually a fantastic technique for opening the third eye. You can attempt to meditate on the third eye, focusing on its opening and such... any meditation centered on the third eye works exceptionally well in this position.
Of course, if you happen to have any underlying health concerns, one ought to approach these practices with a bit more caution.

The rituals themselves follow a specific structure, much like any other practice; first, you perform a banishing and protection ritual, sit for a moment in meditation to clear the mind, and then proceed to masturbation, or rather, sexual stimulation. Once you reach a state where the body no longer requires physical stimulus, you begin the visualization process, which should culminate precisely at the moment of orgasm. This is followed by relaxation and a visualization of the ritual's conclusion. Finally, you perform the banishing ritual once more, and that is that.

Now, as for the visualizations... there are many varieties to choose from.
They can range from standard visualizations for energizing the body and chakras to drawing inspiration from Tarot cards. You could even try living through a myth by identifying with the protagonist... the possibilities are truly limitless.

Another excellent resource is Secrets of Western Tantra. It contains numerous described rituals and very useful advice. It even features an excellent chapter regarding BDSM and its application within sexual magic 👍 as well as explanations and descriptions of sensory deprivation and its uses.
Truly wonderful books 🙏

And one absolutely ingenious ritual is the Ritual Ring Kabbalah.
But really, one must read the entire book to fully grasp it.

I have one question... how on earth can one actually begin masturbating with an entirely empty mind?

Andrew Sanchez572 said:There is also an excellent chapter regarding BDSM and its application within sexual magic.

The book is decent, but if one truly intends to engage in BDSM practices, then it is absolutely essential
to read the book "Carnal Alchemy". Those practices carry significant risks.

😂
I don't practice masturbation with a completely blank mind; rather, I aim to clear my mind of any unnecessary distractions prior
to the actual ritual itself.
Actually, it isn't even possible for me to truly empty my mind—I suppose what I really meant was quieting it down...

Wait, why aren't there any men here? Is Kartikey a woman? 🍿

Andrew Sanchez572 said:To begin with, I believe it is best to start with self-pleasure. One should truly get to know oneself before attempting to explore these things with a partner.

While it might sound unusual, using a sexual position where your head hangs off the edge of the bed—allowing the blood to rush to your head—is actually a fantastic technique for opening the third eye. You can attempt to meditate on the third eye, focusing on its opening and such... any meditation centered on the third eye works exceptionally well in this position.
Of course, if you happen to have any underlying health concerns, one ought to approach these practices with a bit more caution.

The rituals themselves follow a specific structure, much like any other practice; first, you perform a banishing and protection ritual, sit for a moment in meditation to clear the mind, and then proceed to masturbation, or rather, sexual stimulation. Once you reach a state where the body no longer requires physical stimulus, you begin the visualization process, which should culminate precisely at the moment of orgasm. This is followed by relaxation and a visualization of the ritual's conclusion. Finally, you perform the banishing ritual once more, and that is that.

Now, as for the visualizations... there are many varieties to choose from.
They can range from standard visualizations for energizing the body and chakras to drawing inspiration from Tarot cards. You could even try living through a myth by identifying with the protagonist... the possibilities are truly limitless.

Another excellent resource is Secrets of Western Tantra. It contains numerous described rituals and very useful advice. It even features an excellent chapter regarding BDSM and its application within sexual magic 👍 as well as explanations and descriptions of sensory deprivation and its uses.
Truly wonderful books 🙏

And one absolutely ingenious ritual is the Ritual Ring Kabbalah.
But really, one must read the entire book to fully grasp it.

My own recommendation for men would be to sit on a firm surface, maintaining an upright posture that leans slightly forward at approximately an 80° angle.

Of course, one must first manage to empty the mind, which is a task that proves to be quite difficult.

Andrew Sanchez572 said:😂
I don't practice masturbation with a completely blank mind; rather, I aim to clear my mind of any unnecessary distractions prior
to the actual ritual itself.
Actually, it isn't even possible for me to truly empty my mind—I suppose what I really meant was quieting it down...

Wait, why aren't there any men here? Is Kartikey a woman? 🍿

Hmm, yes, I suppose the username caused some confusion.

Do you happen to have any other reading recommendations beyond what you’ve already listed? 🙂
(Kartikey is a warrior god 🙂)

Andrew Sanchez572 said:Do you happen to have any other reading recommendations beyond what you’ve already listed? 🙂
(Kartikey is a warrior god 🙂)

Staying true to the spirit of this discussion, I might suggest reading "Demons of the flash". It isn't quite as groundbreaking as the work mentioned above; rather, it serves as a compilation of existing literature on the subject. However, the authors fail to cite their sources—which, frankly, is quite shameful 😁

I’ve been reading through here... well, trying to. Anyway, I was wondering, what’s your take on the Hyatt?

Andrew Sanchez572 said:I’ve been reading through here... well, trying to. Anyway, I was wondering, what’s your take on the Hyatt?

It’s solid, straightforward, and functional enough... though I find certain aspects completely nonsensical, such as trying to link tarot with sex.

Andrew Sanchez572 said:Why do you use the word 'we'?

I believe you are perhaps mystifying both spirituality and sexuality, as well as their intersection, a bit too much. It is rather like suggesting that chanting is some sort of pre-spiritual activity for people.
Well, that depends on who you ask.
For someone who understands mantras and possesses the correct ones, it is not merely a matter of ease; rather, it serves as a genuine catalyst for spiritual advancement. The mantra itself is the tool for progress.
The same principle applies to sex.

Furthermore, I feel there is a slight exaggeration regarding these romantic, partner-based experiences. Sexual magic and Tantra are not necessarily tethered to emotions, relationships, or similar things. While it is certainly lovely to possess such a discipline and to share it with another, it is primarily a practice of self-discipline.

It is because I am making the firm assertion that the vast majority of the population has absolutely no concept of what true sexuality actually entails, seeing it instead as nothing more than a purely primal, animalistic urge...
While those rare instances of total union—transcending the mere physical plane—certainly exist and do occur, they are so infrequent that their statistical presence is almost negligible. Most people simply don't understand sex at all. 🙂
Simply satisfying a biological craving driven by hormones or other primitive impulses is not the ultimate purpose of sexuality...

Andrew Sanchez572 said:Why do you use the word 'we'?

I believe you are perhaps mystifying both spirituality and sexuality, as well as their intersection, a bit too much. It is rather like suggesting that chanting is some sort of pre-spiritual activity for people.
Well, that depends on who you ask.
For someone who understands mantras and possesses the correct ones, it is not merely a matter of ease; rather, it serves as a genuine catalyst for spiritual advancement. The mantra itself is the tool for progress.
The same principle applies to sex.

Furthermore, I feel there is a slight exaggeration regarding these romantic, partner-based experiences. Sexual magic and Tantra are not necessarily tethered to emotions, relationships, or similar things. While it is certainly lovely to possess such a discipline and to share it with another, it is primarily a practice of self-discipline.

No, my statement isn't mystical in the slightest; it is quite frankly a matter of fact.
I abandoned the pursuit of mysticism the very moment I truly discovered it... 😉

Andrew Sanchez572 said:Why do you use the word 'we'?

I believe you are perhaps mystifying both spirituality and sexuality, as well as their intersection, a bit too much. It is rather like suggesting that chanting is some sort of pre-spiritual activity for people.
Well, that depends on who you ask.
For someone who understands mantras and possesses the correct ones, it is not merely a matter of ease; rather, it serves as a genuine catalyst for spiritual advancement. The mantra itself is the tool for progress.
The same principle applies to sex.

Furthermore, I feel there is a slight exaggeration regarding these romantic, partner-based experiences. Sexual magic and Tantra are not necessarily tethered to emotions, relationships, or similar things. While it is certainly lovely to possess such a discipline and to share it with another, it is primarily a practice of self-discipline.

You have a point there; it is indeed a vehicle. But my belief is that for a truly realized spiritual being, such things are no longer necessary...
🙂

Andrew Sanchez572 said:Why do you use the word 'we'?

I believe you are perhaps mystifying both spirituality and sexuality, as well as their intersection, a bit too much. It is rather like suggesting that chanting is some sort of pre-spiritual activity for people.
Well, that depends on who you ask.
For someone who understands mantras and possesses the correct ones, it is not merely a matter of ease; rather, it serves as a genuine catalyst for spiritual advancement. The mantra itself is the tool for progress.
The same principle applies to sex.

Furthermore, I feel there is a slight exaggeration regarding these romantic, partner-based experiences. Sexual magic and Tantra are not necessarily tethered to emotions, relationships, or similar things. While it is certainly lovely to possess such a discipline and to share it with another, it is primarily a practice of self-discipline.

But you see, for me, sex is so much more than just a mere instrument... 😉

Andrew Sanchez572 said:Why do you use the word 'we'?

I believe you are perhaps mystifying both spirituality and sexuality, as well as their intersection, a bit too much. It is rather like suggesting that chanting is some sort of pre-spiritual activity for people.
Well, that depends on who you ask.
For someone who understands mantras and possesses the correct ones, it is not merely a matter of ease; rather, it serves as a genuine catalyst for spiritual advancement. The mantra itself is the tool for progress.
The same principle applies to sex.

Furthermore, I feel there is a slight exaggeration regarding these romantic, partner-based experiences. Sexual magic and Tantra are not necessarily tethered to emotions, relationships, or similar things. While it is certainly lovely to possess such a discipline and to share it with another, it is primarily a practice of self-discipline.

Perhaps I’m exaggerating because, deep down, I don't want to be entirely self-sufficient—even though I know I could be quite easily if I truly wanted to... And while sexual magic might not demand emotion or connection with another person, I would argue categorically that tantra absolutely does... Self-discipline is something you need regardless, whether you are practicing magic or tantra...

I find tarot absolutely fascinating in all its nuances, even though I haven’t actually practiced anything involving tarot in such a structured way yet. However, I do have plans to dive in...

wiredbear2, you claim that most people simply aren't capable of experiencing true spiritual sexuality, yet in the next breath, you suggest that a spiritual being doesn't even require a physical medium 🤔
Are you truly so elevated spiritually that you no longer have any need for sexuality yourself? 😁 🙏

My point isn't about mere self-indulgence; it is about the construction of a pyramid—one must establish the foundation before building everything else. If that foundation is shaky, then the entire pyramid is essentially worthless...

Andrew Sanchez572 said:Why do you use the word 'we'?

I believe you are perhaps mystifying both spirituality and sexuality, as well as their intersection, a bit too much. It is rather like suggesting that chanting is some sort of pre-spiritual activity for people.
Well, that depends on who you ask.
For someone who understands mantras and possesses the correct ones, it is not merely a matter of ease; rather, it serves as a genuine catalyst for spiritual advancement. The mantra itself is the tool for progress.
The same principle applies to sex.

Furthermore, I feel there is a slight exaggeration regarding these romantic, partner-based experiences. Sexual magic and Tantra are not necessarily tethered to emotions, relationships, or similar things. While it is certainly lovely to possess such a discipline and to share it with another, it is primarily a practice of self-discipline.

I don't know what "romance" means to you (it doesn't mean much to me personally), but sex without emotion doesn't move the needle for me either. Honestly, I've never even practiced it that way. I don't know much about the specific type of magic you're into, but based on how you're describing it—if that's actually magic—I don't even want to know more.
For me, true fulfillment comes from that spiritual, emotional, and physical connection with a partner. Any other version of sex feels half-baked.
It's like when I'm cooking a meal; I love the process of seasoning it, breathing in the aromas, and savoring the flavor and presentation. I lean into that sensory experience. Sex is the same for me—I want to soak in my partner's scent, their taste, and everything else. To me, there is nothing more spiritual than that.

Andrew Sanchez572 said:I find tarot absolutely fascinating in all its nuances, even though I haven’t actually practiced anything involving tarot in such a structured way yet. However, I do have plans to dive in...

wiredbear2, you claim that most people simply aren't capable of experiencing true spiritual sexuality, yet in the next breath, you suggest that a spiritual being doesn't even require a physical medium 🤔
Are you truly so elevated spiritually that you no longer have any need for sexuality yourself? 😁 🙏

My point isn't about mere self-indulgence; it is about the construction of a pyramid—one must establish the foundation before building everything else. If that foundation is shaky, then the entire pyramid is essentially worthless...

In my previous post, I tried to clarify that I don't view sexuality or sex as some sort of tool used to achieve one thing or another, nor as a means to reach spirituality...

It’s a bit of a tricky question you're posing, and honestly, I'll leave you to ponder that uncertainty on your own... 😉

Because for me, I *am* sexuality... we breathe as one...

Well, goodness me, someone here simply has to be the resident ignoramus. I suppose that role falls to me 👋

Sean Cruz, please understand that magic and tantra aren't merely techniques designed to enhance one's sexual relationship with a partner—that is my primary point, and I believe it is an essential distinction to make, as most people tend to conflate the two.
Both disciplines focus on accelerating karma and achieving mastery over oneself, a process where the regulation of sexual energy plays an absolutely monumental role.
I certainly have nothing against your spiritual path, provided that path consists primarily of finding deeper intimacy with your partner. 👍

That being said, I am quite curious... what exactly led you to conclude that I practice sex without any emotional connection? 😕

Andrew Sanchez572 said:Well, goodness me, someone here simply has to be the resident ignoramus. I suppose that role falls to me 👋

Sean Cruz, please understand that magic and tantra aren't merely techniques designed to enhance one's sexual relationship with a partner—that is my primary point, and I believe it is an essential distinction to make, as most people tend to conflate the two.
Both disciplines focus on accelerating karma and achieving mastery over oneself, a process where the regulation of sexual energy plays an absolutely monumental role.
I certainly have nothing against your spiritual path, provided that path consists primarily of finding deeper intimacy with your partner. 👍

That being said, I am quite curious... what exactly led you to conclude that I practice sex without any emotional connection? 😕

I would argue, however, that sexual intimacy does indeed improve to some degree, simply because it grants partners the ability to manage their climax, allowing them to sustain the encounter for longer periods.

Instead of three minutes, you could be looking at thirty.😁

Ryan Wilson2 said:I would argue, however, that sexual intimacy does indeed improve to some degree, simply because it grants partners the ability to manage their climax, allowing them to sustain the encounter for longer periods.

Instead of three minutes, you could be looking at thirty.😁

Is that so? 😁

Well, naturally, an improved quality of life should really just be a byproduct of the process, rather than the primary objective itself...

Why is everyone always obsessing over this "mystical union" thing when talking about sexual tantra? Like, what’s the actual point? Can even an average Joe actually experience that, or is it just something you have to ditch if you’re trying to reach some ultimate truth or enlightenment? If we’re looking at it through a dualistic lens—can any kind of ecstasy actually become a roadblock on the path to total oneness? For instance, as a guy, could I end up just walking away from an experience like that because the intensity is so terrifyingly overwhelming?
It’s presented as this peak spiritual breakthrough, but isn't it also a massive trap down the line? We’re already out here struggling with all these lesser, weaker imitations of God, so why do we need even more intense validation of the physical world? I mean, tantra basically requires the body to exist in the first place, right?
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Look, tantra is fine—if it means giving our partners something more than the bare minimum, sure. Adding vacuuming or doing the dishes to the list of "spiritual practices" wouldn't hurt either. But honestly, I just want someone to be real with me for once and tell me they’ve actually achieved the results people brag about so much. It’s the same deal with all those various wellness trends and "techniques." Tons of hype, but zero substance. Once you start digging, you realize most of it is just smoke and mirrors... Sure, some people might naturally last longer because we're all built differently, and then they turn it into some weird cult movement—cough, cough, we all know how that goes.

Hannah White2, you make an excellent point there, 👍 which is precisely why I keep stressing that building a better partnership isn't actually the goal or the ultimate purpose of this practice.
But here is what I want to ask you: how can you truly be sincere with someone if there is even a tiny bit of hesitation in the relationship, even if it's just a spiritual reservation? You know, having that one foot out the door...
Take my boyfriend, for instance. I don't involve him in any of this because he doesn't really care for it, but also because the reasons I pursue this have absolutely nothing to do with him—it is strictly my own private spiritual journey. If he were to show some interest, I would certainly include him, though I would always maintain my own independent space.
As for the concept of attachment, once you undergo a truly profound experience through this practice, you start to view the body merely as an instrument rather than a subject or whatever else it might be.
The theoretical danger you are pointing out is something that exists within every single spiritual technique.

wiredbear2 said:Maybe I’m just being dramatic because, honestly, I have zero desire to be my own everything—even though I know I could pull it off if I really had to.

But seriously, what does it even mean to be "self-sufficient" in that way? Could you maybe dive a little deeper into what you mean by that?

Andrew Sanchez572 said:Well, goodness me, someone here simply has to be the resident ignoramus. I suppose that role falls to me 👋

Sean Cruz, please understand that magic and tantra aren't merely techniques designed to enhance one's sexual relationship with a partner—that is my primary point, and I believe it is an essential distinction to make, as most people tend to conflate the two.
Both disciplines focus on accelerating karma and achieving mastery over oneself, a process where the regulation of sexual energy plays an absolutely monumental role.
I certainly have nothing against your spiritual path, provided that path consists primarily of finding deeper intimacy with your partner. 👍

That being said, I am quite curious... what exactly led you to conclude that I practice sex without any emotional connection? 😕

Well, you wrote that yourself:

Sexual Magika and tantra aren't necessarily tied to emotions.

Ryan Wilson2 said:I would argue, however, that sexual intimacy does indeed improve to some degree, simply because it grants partners the ability to manage their climax, allowing them to sustain the encounter for longer periods.

Instead of three minutes, you could be looking at thirty.😁

You can achieve that without even touching tantra, and honestly, you could stretch the timeline out much longer than what you’ve suggested here.