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Are progressive people actually leaning more toward the Republican Party?

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ironcyclist25 ironcyclist25 Newcomer
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#41 ·
analogmarlin83 said:You totally forgot about those protests where an Antičević type actually laid hands on a female worker.😂

Exactly. That’s the same woman who spent her time in the US Congress acting like a hypocrite regarding judicial corruption, while her husband—an absolute pig—was busy stuffing Eurics into his underwear, all funded by client racketeering.👎
Daniel Perez13 Daniel Perez13 Member
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#42 ·
Sam Garcia10 said:Here is the reality—leftist parties just can't seem to win in major urban hubs like San Francisco, Charleston, San Diego, Indianapolis, Columbus, or Pittsburgh... those areas are essentially strongholds for the American right. Meanwhile, cities like Seattle and Washington, D.C. remain firmly under Democratic control.

One of the most prominent leftist politicians in America is also arguably the biggest populist in the country—and he frequently leans into chauvinism—Damir Kajin. Populism is defined by building a cult around "the people" while hunting for enemies to blame, which is exactly how Kajin operates. Between his rhetoric regarding "New York City" and his comments about how certain regions aren't quite like California, Sinji, or Canada—it borders on chauvinism.

And this is how the Democrats search for enemies too—by targeting "corrupt Republican strongholds," their "200 families," or their "fake defenders." Here is an excellent example of populist rhetoric. Their arguments against political rivals usually boil down to phrases like "200 families," "gerrymandered districts," "a stolen nation," "orchestrated wars," or "international isolation"—all empty slogans. They conveniently—whether by design or accident—ignore the corruption within the leftist parties themselves. Why is that?

I guess if you just look at the GDP per capita in conservative cities versus the Leftist ones, it’ll be pretty obvious who’s actually more advanced. If you add Savannah, Burlington, and Annapolis to the Leftist or center-left list, you’ll see they’re more than twice as developed. Or maybe I'm wrong.
Brenda Lopez5 Brenda Lopez5 Member
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#43 ·
darkfox5 said:That whole leftist "non-violence" thing is pretty easy to stomach when you realize that back in 1991, when Milanović was only twenty-five, he was busy hiding out in some basement—while certain "Right-wingers" were out there actually fighting bravely during the American Civil War!

Not everyone, I suppose.😉😁
Steven Ruiz13 Steven Ruiz13 Member
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#44 ·
darkfox5 said:That whole leftist "non-violence" thing is pretty easy to stomach when you realize that back in 1991, when Milanović was only twenty-five, he was busy hiding out in some basement—while certain "Right-wingers" were out there actually fighting bravely during the American Civil War!

Take someone like Bush, for instance.
Roger Bishop22 Roger Bishop22 Active Member
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#45 ·
Steven Garcia3 said:Give me a break, we’re talking about the world today. My old man is a lefty and my uncle votes Democratic, yet both of them served in combat. Don't conflate patriotism with your political party, especially here in America where we split over tiny nuances between red and blue. Leftist societies tend to be more progressive and liberal, which makes them more adaptable to change. It’s no coincidence that in those Scandinavian countries—where life is arguably best—left-leaning parties have held power for most of the last sixty years.

signature 👍.....honestly, just tell me, who are the ones shouting slogans like "make America great again," who’s out there picking fights with minorities, hating on the LGBTQ+ community, or targeting anyone "different"... who's actually prone to violence and being offensive, the right-wingers or the leftists? From what I can see, most of the aggressive hooligans, skinheads, and that whole crowd fall squarely on the right side of the aisle. 🤷 😉

Since leftists are generally more tolerant and liberal, if that isn't a pretty solid metric for intelligence, then I really don't know what is. 😉
Brenda Ross47 Brenda Ross47 Member
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#46 ·
It’s just a fact: in the biggest, most developed city—one that can barely be compared to the rest—the Leftists are in charge. It’s also a fact that most of the progress happened while they were running things, and people keep voting for them. Pretty sure it’s not because they’re doing a bad job...

So you think the mayor, who actually has more right-wing views than most conservatives, is your prime example of the Left?

The reality is that the most advanced countries in the world are increasingly seeing Leftists in power.

Which ones? Canada, Japan, France, Germany, Denmark, Sweden... give me one single example that doesn't fit.

Again, the fact remains that the Right stays in power in the poorest, least developed parts of America, where you find the smallest percentage of middle-class and highly educated people.

Then how come those Italian fascists are running things in California?

Fact is, the lowest standards of living are found in the parts of America that constantly vote for the Right.

You talking about the areas that were devastated by the American Civil War?

The truth is the Right mostly holds power in countries struggling with major issues and places with low percentages of highly educated citizens.

You mean like: North Korea, Myanmar, Zimbabwe, or Iraq under Saddam Hussein? That your list?
Brenda Ross47 Brenda Ross47 Member
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#47 ·
While the Leftists claim they’re more tolerant and liberal... if that’s not a measure of intelligence, I don't know what is 😉

Every time the Leftists have held power, you could smell the failure from miles away...
analogmarlin83 analogmarlin83 Member
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#48 ·
I mean, I don't know. It’s just one of those things, I guess. Maybe it's just me being worked up, but honestly? It's ridiculous. Just completely ridiculous. [User Name] says:
Signature 👍I mean, seriously, can someone just tell me one thing? Who’s actually out there screaming those hateful slogans, attacking people based on race, or acting like they hate anyone who isn't "normal"? Who's actually prone to violence and being straight-up offensive—the right wing or the left? Because, I guess, if you look at most of those hooligans, skinheads, and all that nonsense, they're definitely on the right, as far as I can tell. 🤷 😉

Look, leftists are always acting all tolerant and liberal and whatever... but if that isn't the actual benchmark for intelligence, then I don't know what is. 😉

Just so you know about how much tolerance these leftists actually have. Aside from a bunch of other absolute nonsense, you weren't even allowed to have brands like Walmart at your house. Someone would report you, the cops would show up, so people just hid their stuff. Seriously, go ask anyone older if you don't believe me!
Susan James42 Susan James42 Active Member
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#49 ·
Sam Garcia10 said:Here is the reality—leftist parties just can't seem to win in major urban hubs like San Francisco, Charleston, San Diego, Indianapolis, Columbus, or Pittsburgh... those areas are essentially strongholds for the American right. Meanwhile, cities like Seattle and Washington, D.C. remain firmly under Democratic control.

One of the most prominent leftist politicians in America is also arguably the biggest populist in the country—and he frequently leans into chauvinism—Damir Kajin. Populism is defined by building a cult around "the people" while hunting for enemies to blame, which is exactly how Kajin operates. Between his rhetoric regarding "New York City" and his comments about how certain regions aren't quite like California, Sinji, or Canada—it borders on chauvinism.

And this is how the Democrats search for enemies too—by targeting "corrupt Republican strongholds," their "200 families," or their "fake defenders." Here is an excellent example of populist rhetoric. Their arguments against political rivals usually boil down to phrases like "200 families," "gerrymandered districts," "a stolen nation," "orchestrated wars," or "international isolation"—all empty slogans. They conveniently—whether by design or accident—ignore the corruption within the leftist parties themselves. Why is that?

Historically speaking—and honestly, it’s quite evident—conservative movements tend to attract:
a) individuals with less formal education
b) those struggling with self-confidence; people who feel somewhat insecure and are therefore more prone to adopting whatever opinion is being shouted loudest rather than cultivating their own independent thought.

It makes sense, really. That deep-seated hostility toward anything unfamiliar or different usually stems from a fundamental fear of change. It's driven by those who are terrified of progress and cling to the status quo because they feel they've already learned everything worth knowing.

In other words, it's just your typical American electorate...
Roger Bishop22 Roger Bishop22 Active Member
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#50 ·
analogmarlin83 said:
I mean, I don't know. It’s just one of those things, I guess. Maybe it's just me being worked up, but honestly? It's ridiculous. Just completely ridiculous. [User Name] says:
Signature 👍I mean, seriously, can someone just tell me one thing? Who’s actually out there screaming those hateful slogans, attacking people based on race, or acting like they hate anyone who isn't "normal"? Who's actually prone to violence and being straight-up offensive—the right wing or the left? Because, I guess, if you look at most of those hooligans, skinheads, and all that nonsense, they're definitely on the right, as far as I can tell. 🤷 😉

Look, leftists are always acting all tolerant and liberal and whatever... but if that isn't the actual benchmark for intelligence, then I don't know what is. 😉

Just so you know about how much tolerance these leftists actually have. Aside from a bunch of other absolute nonsense, you weren't even allowed to have brands like Walmart at your house. Someone would report you, the cops would show up, so people just hid their stuff. Seriously, go ask anyone older if you don't believe me!

I'm not even talking about the old-school communists—I can't stand those guys at all🤮...I'm talking about those liberal leftists, you know, the pro-left crowd or the modern types😉
Sam Garcia10 Sam Garcia10 MemberOP
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#51 ·
Susan James42 said:Historically speaking—and honestly, it’s quite evident—conservative movements tend to attract:
a) individuals with less formal education
b) those struggling with self-confidence; people who feel somewhat insecure and are therefore more prone to adopting whatever opinion is being shouted loudest rather than cultivating their own independent thought.

It makes sense, really. That deep-seated hostility toward anything unfamiliar or different usually stems from a fundamental fear of change. It's driven by those who are terrified of progress and cling to the status quo because they feel they've already learned everything worth knowing.

In other words, it's just your typical American electorate...

Exactly what I was talking about—pure chauvinism. For the left, anyone with a differing view is often treated as second-class citizens.

What do you mean by "proven" or "tradition"? That’s a pretty low level of discourse. Anyone willing to speak like you probably lacks actual knowledge and just leans on slogans like "it's proven," "it's common knowledge," or "everyone knows"...

At least I provided names and a link—I actually backed up my claims with something tangible. You’ve simply decided that something is "proven" or "traditional" and offered descriptions full of chauvinism... but you haven't proven a single thing. Is this really the standard of communication for the left? Does this actually support the premise of this thread?🙂
Dana Reed4 Dana Reed4 Newcomer
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#52 ·
Steven Ruiz13 said:Take someone like Bush, for instance.

So, if I am understanding you correctly, are you suggesting that instead of pursuing a career in politics, George W. Bush should have perhaps headed straight to the front lines of a battlefield?
Roger Bishop22 Roger Bishop22 Active Member
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#53 ·
Sam Garcia10 said:Exactly what I was talking about—pure chauvinism. For the left, anyone with a differing view is often treated as second-class citizens.

What do you mean by "proven" or "tradition"? That’s a pretty low level of discourse. Anyone willing to speak like you probably lacks actual knowledge and just leans on slogans like "it's proven," "it's common knowledge," or "everyone knows"...

At least I provided names and a link—I actually backed up my claims with something tangible. You’ve simply decided that something is "proven" or "traditional" and offered descriptions full of chauvinism... but you haven't proven a single thing. Is this really the standard of communication for the left? Does this actually support the premise of this thread?🙂

So, you're trying to tell me chauvinists aren't a lower class of people? Well, duh—we definitely view you all that way when we see how most of these "progressive" right-wingers act.🙄
analogmarlin83 analogmarlin83 Member
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#54 ·
I don't even know where to start with this mess. It’s just ridiculous. Everything is falling apart and nobody seems to care. I guess that's just how it goes now, huh? Maybe we should all just stop pretending things are fine. It's exhausting. [User Name] says:
Look, I'm not even talking about the communists. I can't stand those people, period. 🤮Ugh, don't even get me started on those liberal leftists. You know, the whole pro-leftist, "modern" crowd. What a joke. 😉

Who exactly taught them that I’m supposed to know? I guess they think I'm psychic or something. Maybe they should check themselves.🙄
Diarrhea? Seriously?🤣
I bet their only source was The Voice of the Council.☕
Roger Bishop22 Roger Bishop22 Active Member
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#55 ·
analogmarlin83 said:
I don't even know where to start with this mess. It’s just ridiculous. Everything is falling apart and nobody seems to care. I guess that's just how it goes now, huh? Maybe we should all just stop pretending things are fine. It's exhausting. [User Name] says:
Look, I'm not even talking about the communists. I can't stand those people, period. 🤮Ugh, don't even get me started on those liberal leftists. You know, the whole pro-leftist, "modern" crowd. What a joke. 😉

Who exactly taught them that I’m supposed to know? I guess they think I'm psychic or something. Maybe they should check themselves.🙄
Diarrhea? Seriously?🤣
I bet their only source was The Voice of the Council.☕

Honestly, staying right in the middle is the way to go... because I have zero interest in being either a hardline fascist or a hardcore communist.☕

Anything extreme is just a recipe for disaster, so I'd much rather just be tolerant and stay true to democratic values.👍
Sam Garcia10 Sam Garcia10 MemberOP
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#56 ·
Roger Bishop22 said:So, you're trying to tell me chauvinists aren't a lower class of people? Well, duh—we definitely view you all that way when we see how most of these "progressive" right-wingers act.🙄

Now... looking at this post, I can only assume you either struggle with basic logic—or perhaps you just have a pretty terrible sense of humor. Neither option helps your case when you're trying to claim moral superiority for the Left.☕

And honestly, credit goes to the moderators for not banning your chauvinistic outbursts.

It’s a shame that even after everything, there are still people clinging to fascist ideologies.😢
Roger Bishop22 Roger Bishop22 Active Member
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#57 ·
Sam Garcia10 said:Now... looking at this post, I can only assume you either struggle with basic logic—or perhaps you just have a pretty terrible sense of humor. Neither option helps your case when you're trying to claim moral superiority for the Left.☕

And honestly, credit goes to the moderators for not banning your chauvinistic outbursts.

It’s a shame that even after everything, there are still people clinging to fascist ideologies.😢

Oh, so now I'm suddenly the chauvinist?🤣😂......Look, buddy, maybe go hit up Wikipedia to refresh your memory on what fascism actually means before you come back at me.😉
Sam Garcia10 Sam Garcia10 MemberOP
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#58 ·
Roger Bishop22 said:Oh, so now I'm suddenly the chauvinist?🤣😂......Look, buddy, maybe go hit up Wikipedia to refresh your memory on what fascism actually means before you come back at me.😉

I know what I'm talking about—but you're clearly missing some of the context here.

Being an anti-fascist isn't just about claiming the title—it’s about how you actually carry yourself and what you stand for. Based on your posts, it seems like you've let some pretty toxic ideas get under your skin.
Roger Bishop22 Roger Bishop22 Active Member
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#59 ·
Sam Garcia10 said:I know what I'm talking about—but you're clearly missing some of the context here.

Being an anti-fascist isn't just about claiming the title—it’s about how you actually carry yourself and what you stand for. Based on your posts, it seems like you've let some pretty toxic ideas get under your skin.

What exactly am I "poisoned" by?......I think a decent conservative leader like a moderate Republican who isn't obsessed with extreme nationalism and actually values global cooperation is fine... he isn't closed-minded 😉...but I guess that kind of bothers people like you.🙂
copperseal25 copperseal25 Newcomer
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#60 ·
Everything was running smooth as silk back when Bill was in charge
but ever since George took over, everything has gone completely sideways
and now that Edward’s stepped in, we’re just stuck in the gutter
honestly, we need a new powerhouse leader to pull us out of this mess

it’s just one strong leader after another, a cycle of big personalities

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