Are progressive people actually leaning more toward the Republican Party?

Brenda Ross47 said:While the Leftists claim they’re more tolerant and liberal... if that’s not a measure of intelligence, I don't know what is 😉

Every time the Leftists have held power, you could smell the failure from miles away...

Every time the Leftists have held power, you could smell the failure from miles away...

Every time the Leftists have held power, you could smell the failure from miles away...
Every time the left was in power, you could smell the stench of death from miles away.

The left isn't the same thing as communism, but the real issue in this country is the low number of highly educated people. Education broadens your horizons; it changes how you see things. You start to realize, for instance, that the Democratic Party isn't a communist cell and the Republican Party isn't just a group of 90s crooks. The reality is we split ourselves into "left" and "right" way too much when there's hardly any difference. Sure, one side might prefer a tax hike while the other wants a cut, but everything that actually matters for America—monetary policy, healthcare, global integration, education—is basically just shades of gray. Your issue is conflating liberal and social-democratic options with communism. They aren't the same, though I get why you feel that way. Extreme regimes, whether they wear red or black, always end up bloody because that's the only way they survive, much like how the center-left and center-right options often look identical. I'm not trying to bash anyone, but look at the state of things in America: the most developed area, definitely the city with the highest concentration of educated folks, is Washington, D.C., where the Democratic Party has held sway for 8 years. It would have been even longer if not for certain distractions, and they’ll likely hold it again in the next election. It's the city with the highest standard of living and the best salaries, even if expenses are high, because it’s actually moving forward. I remember what it was like back when Dropulic was mayor, and regardless of my personal feelings toward Bandic, the fact remains that with Hercegovac running the show, Washington, D.C. is working and making progress. People are living well, plain and simple. On the flip side, the Democratic Party and the Localist Party have pretty much always run things in Istria, which is our most developed region. It leads the trends in tourism, both in the summer and increasingly during the off-season. Some people might try to trash them by claiming they're ruled by Italian fascists, but that’s just typical extreme right-wing nonsense used when someone runs out of actual arguments. Personally, I'm not a fan of Damir Kajin's political maneuvering either—like banning Thompson while Madonna is an honorary guest in the same city—but that’s a whole different ballgame. In a place like the county near Columbus, which is a good example for all non-coastal areas, standards are steadily rising, and the Liberal Party seems to have been in charge there. The bottom line is that the most prosperous parts of America are "under the rule" of left-leaning parties. Meanwhile, places like Memphis, Indianapolis, or the rural South—where the percentage of highly educated people is lower—are the strongholds for the Republican Party, the Libertarian Party, and others. It comes down to a mindset shaped by heavy wartime trauma; even today, they vote "against communists" while their party coalitions with minority interests. It's about mentality, a difficult past, and education levels. I'm not saying the Democratic Party is the cure-all, but I truly don't understand the mindset of people in the Midwest or the South who, for 15 years now, have voted for the exact same party without ever listening to the opposition. They spend those 15 years complaining about how hard life is or how there are no jobs, yet they keep voting for the same people like sheep. I honestly don't get it.

Dana Reed4 said:So, if I am understanding you correctly, are you suggesting that instead of pursuing a career in politics, George W. Bush should have perhaps headed straight to the front lines of a battlefield?

Back then, I was actually out on the battlefield while he was doing... well, you know.

Sam Garcia10 said:Here is the reality—leftist parties just can't seem to win in major urban hubs like San Francisco, Charleston, San Diego, Indianapolis, Columbus, or Pittsburgh... those areas are essentially strongholds for the American right. Meanwhile, cities like Seattle and Washington, D.C. remain firmly under Democratic control.

One of the most prominent leftist politicians in America is also arguably the biggest populist in the country—and he frequently leans into chauvinism—Damir Kajin. Populism is defined by building a cult around "the people" while hunting for enemies to blame, which is exactly how Kajin operates. Between his rhetoric regarding "New York City" and his comments about how certain regions aren't quite like California, Sinji, or Canada—it borders on chauvinism.

And this is how the Democrats search for enemies too—by targeting "corrupt Republican strongholds," their "200 families," or their "fake defenders." Here is an excellent example of populist rhetoric. Their arguments against political rivals usually boil down to phrases like "200 families," "gerrymandered districts," "a stolen nation," "orchestrated wars," or "international isolation"—all empty slogans. They conveniently—whether by design or accident—ignore the corruption within the leftist parties themselves. Why is that?

Let's break this down for a moment:

1. The 200 wealthiest families
Right at the first session of Congress after the elections on January 3rd, 2000, a commission was formed to identify these "200 wealthiest families."
Of course, nothing was ever found because the whole thing was a fabrication.

2. The stolen state
Back in early 2000, when the Minister of Economy in the three-party administration came under heavy media fire, he responded this way:
"Based on all major macroeconomic indicators, America has been at the top of transition economies for the last seven years, not just last year. This isn't my personal opinion; it's the assessment of relevant financial institutions."
In a recent episode of "Hero of El Paso," Blago Zadrijeti was shown leading a workers' protest for "Borov" back in 1990, saying:
"They robbed us (the communists); if they hadn't, our wages wouldn't be 20 bucks instead of 1500. They won't rob us anymore."
That pretty much sums up the whole narrative: the communists supposedly stole everything that wasn't nailed down, leaving the 90s Government to simply declare bankruptcy where they failed to sell off assets for pennies on the dollar.

3. International isolation
By 1998, America had been admitted to the European Council, so there was no such thing as political isolation. By 1999, Deutsche Telekom was transparently buying a 33% stake in American Telecom, meaning there was no economic isolation in terms of foreign capital being barred from entering the country.
Personally, I traveled through Italy, Austria, Germany, France, and Switzerland quite a bit during the 90s and never encountered any issues, so I have to ask: what kind of "isolation" are we actually talking about?

4. An orchestrated war
This is truly the lowest possible product of the human mind, something that doesn't even deserve a response beyond a general dismissal of everything previously stated:
In America, leftists and those leaning that way are clearly shallow thinkers if they can take such blatant demagoguery at face value.
Generally speaking, a functional, normal Left only exists in Scandinavian countries, the Netherlands, and the United States—and if I lived in one of those places, perhaps I would be a leftist myself.
Everything else is just plain old hardline communism, supporters of a rotten and demonstrably failed system known as communism-Marxism-Leninism-socialism-Stalinism!

In America, the intellectual right is the only force actually preserving this country's dignity. As for what people call the left? It’s a national disgrace. By any standard, I fall on the left, but I have absolutely nothing in common with the unpatriotic American left—the kind whose entire platform is built on erasing our history and spitting on our identity.

The right isn't more progressive; they're just more self-aware.

Roger Bishop22 said:So, you're trying to tell me chauvinists aren't a lower class of people? Well, duh—we definitely view you all that way when we see how most of these "progressive" right-wingers act.🙄

It is quite funny how that "lower race" was right there on the battlefield and ended up defeating your "superior race"! And even today, we leave you alone despite the constant nonsense you spew!

Steven Ruiz13 said:Back then, I was actually out on the battlefield while he was doing... well, you know.

Well, you didn't actually address the point or the comment at all, and if I had to guess, you were probably still in preschool while he was busy moving from LAFC to the FBI, then over to the CIA, then maybe even a stint at the White House, and then back to the CIA again... and so on.

Sam Garcia10 said:Here is the reality—leftist parties just can't seem to win in major urban hubs like San Francisco, Charleston, San Diego, Indianapolis, Columbus, or Pittsburgh... those areas are essentially strongholds for the American right. Meanwhile, cities like Seattle and Washington, D.C. remain firmly under Democratic control.

One of the most prominent leftist politicians in America is also arguably the biggest populist in the country—and he frequently leans into chauvinism—Damir Kajin. Populism is defined by building a cult around "the people" while hunting for enemies to blame, which is exactly how Kajin operates. Between his rhetoric regarding "New York City" and his comments about how certain regions aren't quite like California, Sinji, or Canada—it borders on chauvinism.

And this is how the Democrats search for enemies too—by targeting "corrupt Republican strongholds," their "200 families," or their "fake defenders." Here is an excellent example of populist rhetoric. Their arguments against political rivals usually boil down to phrases like "200 families," "gerrymandered districts," "a stolen nation," "orchestrated wars," or "international isolation"—all empty slogans. They conveniently—whether by design or accident—ignore the corruption within the leftist parties themselves. Why is that?

You hit the nail on the head there, buddy, but if we're talking about a "rigged war," you might as well add selling off our oil to the enemy to that list.
As for the state being stolen, well, pretty much everything built over the last 50 years has been looted.

You're comparing apples to oranges here.

Dana Reed4 said:Well, you didn't actually address the point or the comment at all, and if I had to guess, you were probably still in preschool while he was busy moving from LAFC to the FBI, then over to the CIA, then maybe even a stint at the White House, and then back to the CIA again... and so on.

Well, it’s pretty obvious who he’s looking out for here.

He probably funded his whole lifestyle by flipping an old Jeep Wagoneer and padding his pockets with those salaries at the agencies you listed.

I bet he had to pay a mountain of taxes if he's actually buying watches like that with his take-home pay.

Dana Reed4 said:So, if I am understanding you correctly, are you suggesting that instead of pursuing a career in politics, George W. Bush should have perhaps headed straight to the front lines of a battlefield?

No, honestly, he should have just found something intelligent to do with his life instead of getting mixed up in politics in the first place.

The whole thread is being incredibly discriminatory, bordering on a blatant attempt to insult one specific political party.

If this isn't enough reason for a moderator to step in and fix this mess, then we’re basically looking at a full-blown protest on December 5th! Seriously!

slyhawk16 As it were stated by:
Well, I suppose it is quite easy to see exactly whose interests are being represented here, isn't it?

I suppose, if I were to venture a guess, he probably managed to pull all that together by selling off his old Renault 4, though I imagine combining that with the steady income from those companies you mentioned would certainly help build up such a fund, wouldn't it?

I suppose he must have handed over quite a massive chunk of change in taxes if he’s able to afford those kinds of watches using just his salary, though I guess it really depends on how one calculates their take-home pay after all those deductions.

Well, I suppose there might have been a slight misunderstanding regarding the initial inquiry, as the question was actually centered on the idea of heading off to the front lines, rather than that sort of aimless, left-wing rambling that seems to happen so often lately, I guess.

Well, you certainly did a thorough job laying all those points out there, my dear relative, though I suppose if one were to be truly exhaustive regarding that agreed-upon war, one might also feel compelled to mention the selling of oil to the enemy, if I may say so.
It seems to me, though I could certainly be mistaken, that the entire nation has been systematically plundered, almost everything that was built or developed over the last fifty years appears to have been essentially stolen from the people.

Well, I suppose one might find themselves wondering, if they were inclined to ask such a question, exactly who was responsible for selling that oil, and more importantly, to whom it was being sold? It is a rather complex matter, I guess, and perhaps a bit more convoluted than it first appears on the surface.
Is the state actually being robbed? I suppose one has to wonder exactly when that process began and which specific individuals were responsible for such a thing. I mean, have you ever really looked into the concept of voucher privatization? It’s quite a complex subject, and if you aren't familiar with what that truly implies or the sheer scale of what actually transpired during those years, it is very easy to miss the bigger picture. I guess it’s all about understanding how the pieces fit together.

I would suggest that you perhaps dial back the Democratic Party demagoguery just a little bit, if I may say so, because it is starting to feel somewhat absurd, I suppose. It feels like you’re running out of material, and honestly, maybe you should try coming up with something entirely new? At this point, the quality of these arguments isn't even on par with the old teaching methods in Stowe—though, thinking about it, perhaps they wouldn't even measure up to those newer workshops in Maui. I mean, the instructors there today seem to be far less effective than the ones from back in the day, so it feels like Maui has actually surpassed that old "school for castrating and weakening common sense" we used to hear about in Stowe. Or, if you prefer, perhaps it might be more productive to simply refresh everyone's knowledge through some sort of ad hoc seminar for the Democratic Party youth?

slyhawk16 said:No, honestly, he should have just found something intelligent to do with his life instead of getting mixed up in politics in the first place.

The whole thread is being incredibly discriminatory, bordering on a blatant attempt to insult one specific political party.

If this isn't enough reason for a moderator to step in and fix this mess, then we’re basically looking at a full-blown protest on December 5th! Seriously!

But I find myself wondering, which specific political option is being insulted here? And I guess I have to ask, by what logic do you and people with similar views consider yourselves a legitimate political movement? This anti-American leftist rhetoric isn't actually a political platform; rather, it feels more like pure anarchy and a total disruption of public order.
As for the idea of a protest, I can't help but wonder what else those reckless, empty-headed individuals would even want, besides free tuition? Maybe they’d ask for a mallet and a shovel, though I suspect there wouldn't be much practical use for them with such a crowd. I suppose if you were attending MIT or Ford, you might find plenty of other massive, witty intellectuals hanging around there.

Dana Reed4 said:

slyhawk16 As it were stated by:
Well, I suppose it is quite easy to see exactly whose interests are being represented here, isn't it?

I suppose, if I were to venture a guess, he probably managed to pull all that together by selling off his old Renault 4, though I imagine combining that with the steady income from those companies you mentioned would certainly help build up such a fund, wouldn't it?

I suppose he must have handed over quite a massive chunk of change in taxes if he’s able to afford those kinds of watches using just his salary, though I guess it really depends on how one calculates their take-home pay after all those deductions.

Well, I suppose there might have been a slight misunderstanding regarding the initial inquiry, as the question was actually centered on the idea of heading off to the front lines, rather than that sort of aimless, left-wing rambling that seems to happen so often lately, I guess.

Well, you certainly did a thorough job laying all those points out there, my dear relative, though I suppose if one were to be truly exhaustive regarding that agreed-upon war, one might also feel compelled to mention the selling of oil to the enemy, if I may say so.
It seems to me, though I could certainly be mistaken, that the entire nation has been systematically plundered, almost everything that was built or developed over the last fifty years appears to have been essentially stolen from the people.

Well, I suppose one might find themselves wondering, if they were inclined to ask such a question, exactly who was responsible for selling that oil, and more importantly, to whom it was being sold? It is a rather complex matter, I guess, and perhaps a bit more convoluted than it first appears on the surface.
Is the state actually being robbed? I suppose one has to wonder exactly when that process began and which specific individuals were responsible for such a thing. I mean, have you ever really looked into the concept of voucher privatization? It’s quite a complex subject, and if you aren't familiar with what that truly implies or the sheer scale of what actually transpired during those years, it is very easy to miss the bigger picture. I guess it’s all about understanding how the pieces fit together.

I would suggest that you perhaps dial back the Democratic Party demagoguery just a little bit, if I may say so, because it is starting to feel somewhat absurd, I suppose. It feels like you’re running out of material, and honestly, maybe you should try coming up with something entirely new? At this point, the quality of these arguments isn't even on par with the old teaching methods in Stowe—though, thinking about it, perhaps they wouldn't even measure up to those newer workshops in Maui. I mean, the instructors there today seem to be far less effective than the ones from back in the day, so it feels like Maui has actually surpassed that old "school for castrating and weakening common sense" we used to hear about in Stowe. Or, if you prefer, perhaps it might be more productive to simply refresh everyone's knowledge through some sort of ad hoc seminar for the Democratic Party youth?

Well, that’s exactly what I’m asking you—why on earth wasn't he out there actually doing something productive?

Dana Reed4 said:

slyhawk16 As it were stated by:
Well, I suppose it is quite easy to see exactly whose interests are being represented here, isn't it?

I suppose, if I were to venture a guess, he probably managed to pull all that together by selling off his old Renault 4, though I imagine combining that with the steady income from those companies you mentioned would certainly help build up such a fund, wouldn't it?

I suppose he must have handed over quite a massive chunk of change in taxes if he’s able to afford those kinds of watches using just his salary, though I guess it really depends on how one calculates their take-home pay after all those deductions.

Well, I suppose there might have been a slight misunderstanding regarding the initial inquiry, as the question was actually centered on the idea of heading off to the front lines, rather than that sort of aimless, left-wing rambling that seems to happen so often lately, I guess.

Well, you certainly did a thorough job laying all those points out there, my dear relative, though I suppose if one were to be truly exhaustive regarding that agreed-upon war, one might also feel compelled to mention the selling of oil to the enemy, if I may say so.
It seems to me, though I could certainly be mistaken, that the entire nation has been systematically plundered, almost everything that was built or developed over the last fifty years appears to have been essentially stolen from the people.

Well, I suppose one might find themselves wondering, if they were inclined to ask such a question, exactly who was responsible for selling that oil, and more importantly, to whom it was being sold? It is a rather complex matter, I guess, and perhaps a bit more convoluted than it first appears on the surface.
Is the state actually being robbed? I suppose one has to wonder exactly when that process began and which specific individuals were responsible for such a thing. I mean, have you ever really looked into the concept of voucher privatization? It’s quite a complex subject, and if you aren't familiar with what that truly implies or the sheer scale of what actually transpired during those years, it is very easy to miss the bigger picture. I guess it’s all about understanding how the pieces fit together.

I would suggest that you perhaps dial back the Democratic Party demagoguery just a little bit, if I may say so, because it is starting to feel somewhat absurd, I suppose. It feels like you’re running out of material, and honestly, maybe you should try coming up with something entirely new? At this point, the quality of these arguments isn't even on par with the old teaching methods in Stowe—though, thinking about it, perhaps they wouldn't even measure up to those newer workshops in Maui. I mean, the instructors there today seem to be far less effective than the ones from back in the day, so it feels like Maui has actually surpassed that old "school for castrating and weakening common sense" we used to hear about in Stowe. Or, if you prefer, perhaps it might be more productive to simply refresh everyone's knowledge through some sort of ad hoc seminar for the Democratic Party youth?

America acting like kin to Mexico.

mistycyclist5 said:No, you're actually just proving the rule.

Yeah, exceptions just prove the rule, don't they?😂

And honestly, having a degree doesn't mean someone is actually highly educated—it just means they managed to crawl across the finish line and grab a piece of paper.🙂

Sam Garcia10 said:Here is the reality—leftist parties just can't seem to win in major urban hubs like San Francisco, Charleston, San Diego, Indianapolis, Columbus, or Pittsburgh... those areas are essentially strongholds for the American right. Meanwhile, cities like Seattle and Washington, D.C. remain firmly under Democratic control.

One of the most prominent leftist politicians in America is also arguably the biggest populist in the country—and he frequently leans into chauvinism—Damir Kajin. Populism is defined by building a cult around "the people" while hunting for enemies to blame, which is exactly how Kajin operates. Between his rhetoric regarding "New York City" and his comments about how certain regions aren't quite like California, Sinji, or Canada—it borders on chauvinism.

And this is how the Democrats search for enemies too—by targeting "corrupt Republican strongholds," their "200 families," or their "fake defenders." Here is an excellent example of populist rhetoric. Their arguments against political rivals usually boil down to phrases like "200 families," "gerrymandered districts," "a stolen nation," "orchestrated wars," or "international isolation"—all empty slogans. They conveniently—whether by design or accident—ignore the corruption within the leftist parties themselves. Why is that?

Maybe that's just the issue—urban centers in America are dying out, so even the big cities are starting to catch that small-town, rural mindset... 🤷

ironcyclist25 said:The reality is that right-wing parties currently hold power in 15 out of the 27 European Union nations. In four other countries, the largest center-right parties are governing through what are essentially grand coalitions with the left.☕
The fact is, leftist rule dominates much of the "progressive" world—countries like Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Colombia, China, Tajikistan, Vietnam, Congo, Somalia, and Burma.
These facts are absolute nonsense.🙂

Let's face it—some of these countries might be picking right-wing leaders just out of spite, maybe because of messy paperwork or because they're sick of globalization and massive immigration waves. They want to push back against that EU hegemony bullshit, whatever that even means. But the US doesn't have that issue since we aren't part of the EU.☕

Susan James42 said:Historically speaking—and honestly, it’s quite evident—conservative movements tend to attract:
a) individuals with less formal education
b) those struggling with self-confidence; people who feel somewhat insecure and are therefore more prone to adopting whatever opinion is being shouted loudest rather than cultivating their own independent thought.

It makes sense, really. That deep-seated hostility toward anything unfamiliar or different usually stems from a fundamental fear of change. It's driven by those who are terrified of progress and cling to the status quo because they feel they've already learned everything worth knowing.

In other words, it's just your typical American electorate...

I used to think I leaned left until I saw how the Democratic Party in America devolved into this level of primitivism and exclusivity. It has nothing to do with my views on human rights or progress anymore.

So, this pathetic version of the left lost another "urban, highly educated" voter from Washington, D.C. who can actually think for themselves (that was back during the last election). And honestly, look at those points you listed above—they don't align with any actual leftist ideals.

fadedeagle39 said:In America, the intellectual right is the only force actually preserving this country's dignity. As for what people call the left? It’s a national disgrace. By any standard, I fall on the left, but I have absolutely nothing in common with the unpatriotic American left—the kind whose entire platform is built on erasing our history and spitting on our identity.

The right isn't more progressive; they're just more self-aware.

Thanks for dropping this on me before bed. You summed up everything I'm too tired to handle at this hour. 🙏

In America, leftists and those leaning toward that side of the spectrum are shallow-minded people if they can take such blatant demagoguery for granted.

Come on, don't start attacking everyone right out of the gate. I lean closer to the left-wing option myself, and I'm certainly not shallow-minded.

The issue was about going to the battlefield, not some meaningless leftist rambling.

Why is everything used to accuse someone from the Republican Party dismissed as mere rambling? If George W. Bush explicitly stated he had a Renault 4 and his mother's house, why is it inappropriate to ask where a watch collection worth a Mercedes came from? Especially when it's known that during those five years as Prime Minister, he couldn't have earned enough for all those watches even if he saved his entire salary just for that? Why is it considered improper to ask what he was doing in Verona, and whether it was private or business? If it was business—meaning a state trip—then why claim he "paid for the hotel himself" as he asserts? If he went privately, why did he use a government plane?
Regarding the oil sales, there is a pretty good understanding of the facts; if you haven't been following since the early days, Kotromanovic was talking about how tanks on the battlefield were being fueled by American fuel... I find myself wondering who was profiting from that. 🤔
A total amateur through and through.

In America, the intellectual right is the force that maintains this country's dignity.

Are you actually serious? Please, go ahead and name this "elite" group for me...

fadedeagle39 said:In America, the intellectual right is the only force actually preserving this country's dignity. As for what people call the left? It’s a national disgrace. By any standard, I fall on the left, but I have absolutely nothing in common with the unpatriotic American left—the kind whose entire platform is built on erasing our history and spitting on our identity.

The right isn't more progressive; they're just more self-aware.

Ahem, that same "unpatriotic left" didn't deliver a single general to The Hague during their time in power. Francis and Ivank delivered plenty of them. Cheers to all the generals.

I’m telling you, this whole thing just feels off to me—it's stuck in my head. If we were being truly analytical about it, maybe there's something to be said about those thin gloves, but honestly, our local doctor, who spends a ton of time working here, would probably have a better handle on that. 🤔Listen, Ava, this is where you could really step up and help us out. Or are you busy over at WebMD Health? Because if you are, seriously, props to you. You're a total intellectual, a doctor through and through. Are you based out in Oakland? 🙂

fadedeagle39 said:In America, the intellectual right is the only force actually preserving this country's dignity. As for what people call the left? It’s a national disgrace. By any standard, I fall on the left, but I have absolutely nothing in common with the unpatriotic American left—the kind whose entire platform is built on erasing our history and spitting on our identity.

The right isn't more progressive; they're just more self-aware.

Do you really think the right is more "aware"? Or is it just that they realize it’s better to sell off whatever is left of the American dream—especially after those massive privatizations run by the exact same crooks—while they still hold the reins of power? They want to make sure every cent from those sales ends up straight in their own pockets.

Let’s not kid ourselves: the politically active American left is just as much a collection of bottom-feeders and scoundrels as the conservative establishment currently in power.

If we actually focus on the segment of the population that could arguably be called an electorate—though you really need a functioning brain to vote, and the average American seems to prefer spending over thinking while assuming they know everything already—then all that’s left is pure misery and incompetence. And I don't just mean when it comes to formal education...