Are progressive people actually leaning more toward the Republican Party?

Casey Bennett2 said:I used to think I leaned left until I saw how the Democratic Party in America devolved into this level of primitivism and exclusivity. It has nothing to do with my views on human rights or progress anymore.

So, this pathetic version of the left lost another "urban, highly educated" voter from Washington, D.C. who can actually think for themselves (that was back during the last election). And honestly, look at those points you listed above—they don't align with any actual leftist ideals.

Frankly, I couldn't care less about the left's stances, let alone their supposed ideals.
especially when we're talking about the typical American left.
I don't belong to that herd, nor any other.
When I refer to left-leaning people, I'm actually talking about politically inactive individuals and their general collection of viewpoints.
I certainly am not talking about figures like Joe Biden or his ilk.

It’s quite cute that you’ve managed to categorize yourself into that lovely little group you put in quotation marks,
but since you seem to struggle with basic reading comprehension, before you try to pigeonhole me, perhaps ask yourself if being "urban and educated" is enough... and if that exact lack of depth doesn't make you the perfect conservative...

analogmarlin83 said:

I mean, I don't know. It’s just one of those things, I guess. Maybe it's just me being worked up, but honestly? It's ridiculous. Just completely ridiculous. [User Name] says:
Signature 👍I mean, seriously, can someone just tell me one thing? Who’s actually out there screaming those hateful slogans, attacking people based on race, or acting like they hate anyone who isn't "normal"? Who's actually prone to violence and being straight-up offensive—the right wing or the left? Because, I guess, if you look at most of those hooligans, skinheads, and all that nonsense, they're definitely on the right, as far as I can tell. 🤷 😉

Look, leftists are always acting all tolerant and liberal and whatever... but if that isn't the actual benchmark for intelligence, then I don't know what is. 😉

Just so you know about how much tolerance these leftists actually have. Aside from a bunch of other absolute nonsense, you weren't even allowed to have brands like Walmart at your house. Someone would report you, the cops would show up, so people just hid their stuff. Seriously, go ask anyone older if you don't believe me!

The only difference is that back then, everyone actually had plenty of cash—dollars, I mean—but nowadays, only a select few have it, and most of it was probably grabbed through shady means. Just ask the older generation.

fadedeagle39 said:In America, the intellectual right is the only force actually preserving this country's dignity. As for what people call the left? It’s a national disgrace. By any standard, I fall on the left, but I have absolutely nothing in common with the unpatriotic American left—the kind whose entire platform is built on erasing our history and spitting on our identity.

The right isn't more progressive; they're just more self-aware.

By those same standards, you're basically a charming little yellow townhouse on the outskirts of Seattle.

Brian Doyle6 said:Maybe that's just the issue—urban centers in America are dying out, so even the big cities are starting to catch that small-town, rural mindset... 🤷

Let's face it—some of these countries might be picking right-wing leaders just out of spite, maybe because of messy paperwork or because they're sick of globalization and massive immigration waves. They want to push back against that EU hegemony bullshit, whatever that even means. But the US doesn't have that issue since we aren't part of the EU.☕

Canadians can't be objective here—you guys were nearly handed a slice of the American coast by the coalition, yet the Democrats don't even seem to realize it.

slyhawk16 said:No, honestly, he should have just found something intelligent to do with his life instead of getting mixed up in politics in the first place.

The whole thread is being incredibly discriminatory, bordering on a blatant attempt to insult one specific political party.

If this isn't enough reason for a moderator to step in and fix this mess, then we’re basically looking at a full-blown protest on December 5th! Seriously!

khm...

slyhawk16 said:No, honestly, he should have just found something intelligent to do with his life instead of getting mixed up in politics in the first place.

The whole thread is being incredibly discriminatory, bordering on a blatant attempt to insult one specific political party.

If this isn't enough reason for a moderator to step in and fix this mess, then we’re basically looking at a full-blown protest on December 5th! Seriously!

It’s hard to tell who’s talking about what here...
I started this topic because I ran into a few American leftists claiming they were more "progressive"—which has also happened in this thread—but I realized there isn't any actual basis for those claims.

slyhawk16 said:No, honestly, he should have just found something intelligent to do with his life instead of getting mixed up in politics in the first place.

The whole thread is being incredibly discriminatory, bordering on a blatant attempt to insult one specific political party.

If this isn't enough reason for a moderator to step in and fix this mess, then we’re basically looking at a full-blown protest on December 5th! Seriously!

Everything built over the past five decades was first eroded by inflation, then dealt a blow by fifty years of laziness, corruption, and crime—and finally, we had a war that cost us billions of dollars.

Sam Garcia10 said:khm...

It’s hard to tell who’s talking about what here...
I started this topic because I ran into a few American leftists claiming they were more "progressive"—which has also happened in this thread—but I realized there isn't any actual basis for those claims.

Everything built over the past five decades was first eroded by inflation, then dealt a blow by fifty years of laziness, corruption, and crime—and finally, we had a war that cost us billions of dollars.

I can see you aren't an economist. In fact, you aren't just lacking expertise; it seems like you haven't even been living in the same reality as the rest of us...

There hasn't been a war, nor has one "stolen billions of dollars" from us.
First off, a war cannot "steal" anything (I really shouldn't have to explain that), unless, of course, the term "war" has become a convenient synonym for our so-called progressive American right wing—those folks who can't get through a single sentence without butchering the language with terrible slang—to describe what they've rebranded as some sort of noble endeavor...

So, to sum this up: being progressive requires actually being informed.
It’s quite easy to delude yourself into thinking you're forward-thinking when you don't have the slightest clue where you stand or what is actually happening in the world, let alone how to articulate it.

Therefore, Sam, it might be worth trying to think for once, rather than just existing.

Susan James42 said:I can see you aren't an economist. In fact, you aren't just lacking expertise; it seems like you haven't even been living in the same reality as the rest of us...

There hasn't been a war, nor has one "stolen billions of dollars" from us.
First off, a war cannot "steal" anything (I really shouldn't have to explain that), unless, of course, the term "war" has become a convenient synonym for our so-called progressive American right wing—those folks who can't get through a single sentence without butchering the language with terrible slang—to describe what they've rebranded as some sort of noble endeavor...

So, to sum this up: being progressive requires actually being informed.
It’s quite easy to delude yourself into thinking you're forward-thinking when you don't have the slightest clue where you stand or what is actually happening in the world, let alone how to articulate it.

Therefore, Sam, it might be worth trying to think for once, rather than just existing.

You’re looking at this all wrong. Direct war damages in the US were estimated at $21 billion.
That’s money that should have been borrowed internationally to rebuild everything that was leveled.

I can totally see how educated you guys are, especially with the way you're drawing those parallels between communism and people leaning left-wing 🤮

frozenheron25 said:You’re looking at this all wrong. Direct war damages in the US were estimated at $21 billion.
That’s money that should have been borrowed internationally to rebuild everything that was leveled.

No, man, that estimate is just how much those opportunistic types managed to pocket during privatization while actual Americans were out there bleeding on the front lines.
We’re talking massive amounts of cash back in the 90s—money they basically laundered into their own pockets by the end of the decade, all while piling on more foreign debt using those stolen companies as collateral.

And guess what? We’re the ones footing the bill for it!

But I am with you on one thing: that kind of wartime profiteering is disgusting, and that ill-gotten wealth needs to be seized and pumped straight into development to help ease the crisis that hasn't even truly hit this overleveraged nation yet.

Roger Bishop22 said:I can totally see how educated you guys are, especially with the way you're drawing those parallels between communism and people leaning left-wing 🤮

Honestly, you can't really expect much from people who treat being an American like it's just some optional hobby they can ignore whenever they feel like putting their hands in their pockets and walking away.

Susan James42 said:I can see you aren't an economist. In fact, you aren't just lacking expertise; it seems like you haven't even been living in the same reality as the rest of us...

There hasn't been a war, nor has one "stolen billions of dollars" from us.
First off, a war cannot "steal" anything (I really shouldn't have to explain that), unless, of course, the term "war" has become a convenient synonym for our so-called progressive American right wing—those folks who can't get through a single sentence without butchering the language with terrible slang—to describe what they've rebranded as some sort of noble endeavor...

So, to sum this up: being progressive requires actually being informed.
It’s quite easy to delude yourself into thinking you're forward-thinking when you don't have the slightest clue where you stand or what is actually happening in the world, let alone how to articulate it.

Therefore, Sam, it might be worth trying to think for once, rather than just existing.

So, from all that, you've concluded—that since I'm not an economist—that I don't know where I am and that I've lived somewhere else. That's it. You just handed down a verdict without explaining a single thing about how you reached those brilliant conclusions of yours.🤣

Just admit it—you're just some hard-right partisan posting this stuff to mock liberals.

Roger Bishop22 said:I can totally see how educated you guys are, especially with the way you're drawing those parallels between communism and people leaning left-wing 🤮

Exactly. Linking the right to fascism? Fine, I get the logic. But equating the left with communism—well, that's just absurd.😁

slyhawk16 said:No, man, that estimate is just how much those opportunistic types managed to pocket during privatization while actual Americans were out there bleeding on the front lines.
We’re talking massive amounts of cash back in the 90s—money they basically laundered into their own pockets by the end of the decade, all while piling on more foreign debt using those stolen companies as collateral.

And guess what? We’re the ones footing the bill for it!

But I am with you on one thing: that kind of wartime profiteering is disgusting, and that ill-gotten wealth needs to be seized and pumped straight into development to help ease the crisis that hasn't even truly hit this overleveraged nation yet.

That isn't quite right—that figure only accounted for direct losses. It didn't factor in the potential revenue we missed out on—the profits that simply evaporated because of the war.

Then there's the issue of runaway inflation—it completely undermines any attempt at building a foundation for new rules. We’re still dealing with certain types who perfected the art of bleeding their own companies dry back during the old days of the defunct regime.

Sam Garcia10 said:So, from all that, you've concluded—that since I'm not an economist—that I don't know where I am and that I've lived somewhere else. That's it. You just handed down a verdict without explaining a single thing about how you reached those brilliant conclusions of yours.🤣

Just admit it—you're just some hard-right partisan posting this stuff to mock liberals.

Absolutely. Though, let’s be clear—there are plenty of other conclusions to draw here, but I’m choosing to keep my focus strictly on the core subject at hand.
So, we have someone here—for the second time now, if we’re being honest—rambling on about inflation. Or rather, let's call it what it actually is: this pseudo-economic buzzword "hyper-inflation" they keep throwing around as if it were the sole culprit behind our national economic woes or the outbreak of war. It’s a tired argument. By obsessively focusing on price hikes while stubbornly refusing to acknowledge the systemic "privatization" period that fundamentally gutted our economy, this individual isn't just lacking an economic background; they are willfully ignoring history. There are countless ways to describe this level of intellectual dishonesty, but I'll try to stay on track.

Sam Garcia10 said:So, from all that, you've concluded—that since I'm not an economist—that I don't know where I am and that I've lived somewhere else. That's it. You just handed down a verdict without explaining a single thing about how you reached those brilliant conclusions of yours.🤣

Just admit it—you're just some hard-right partisan posting this stuff to mock liberals.

No, you can spot those types a mile away. You recognize them by the fact that they lack any actual expertise in the subjects they feel qualified to pass "expert" judgment on. They have this relentless tendency to oversimplify everything because they simply don't grasp the complexity of the issue—to them, every multifaceted system is just a single, isolated component. Then, there’s the constant need to take swipes at Americans, yet they simultaneously fail to avoid peppering their speech with useless English jargon or even manage the basic task of placing a comma correctly.
At last, you’ll be able to spot them instantly—mostly because they seem to be fundamentally immunized against logic.
Fear is a relentless thief. It creeps in when you least expect it, clouding your judgment and paralyzing your ability to act. I’ve found that if you let it take root, it starts to dictate your entire reality, turning even the smallest hurdles into insurmountable mountains. You have to confront it head-on, or it will eventually own you.

Well, I think I’m going to bow out of this "debate" now. Honestly, some of the arguments being thrown around lately—including that last one—aren't even remotely funny. It's just not worth the energy anymore.

Susan James42 said:Absolutely. Though, let’s be clear—there are plenty of other conclusions to draw here, but I’m choosing to keep my focus strictly on the core subject at hand.
So, we have someone here—for the second time now, if we’re being honest—rambling on about inflation. Or rather, let's call it what it actually is: this pseudo-economic buzzword "hyper-inflation" they keep throwing around as if it were the sole culprit behind our national economic woes or the outbreak of war. It’s a tired argument. By obsessively focusing on price hikes while stubbornly refusing to acknowledge the systemic "privatization" period that fundamentally gutted our economy, this individual isn't just lacking an economic background; they are willfully ignoring history. There are countless ways to describe this level of intellectual dishonesty, but I'll try to stay on track.

No, you can spot those types a mile away. You recognize them by the fact that they lack any actual expertise in the subjects they feel qualified to pass "expert" judgment on. They have this relentless tendency to oversimplify everything because they simply don't grasp the complexity of the issue—to them, every multifaceted system is just a single, isolated component. Then, there’s the constant need to take swipes at Americans, yet they simultaneously fail to avoid peppering their speech with useless English jargon or even manage the basic task of placing a comma correctly.
At last, you’ll be able to spot them instantly—mostly because they seem to be fundamentally immunized against logic.
Fear is a relentless thief. It creeps in when you least expect it, clouding your judgment and paralyzing your ability to act. I’ve found that if you let it take root, it starts to dictate your entire reality, turning even the smallest hurdles into insurmountable mountains. You have to confront it head-on, or it will eventually own you.

Well, I think I’m going to bow out of this "debate" now. Honestly, some of the arguments being thrown around lately—including that last one—aren't even remotely funny. It's just not worth the energy anymore.

Now, this is a new one—a person claiming to understand the economic situation of that era while apparently having no clue about the hyperinflation in America. It’s quite something. After the Berlin Wall fell, the country hit a crisis where over 600,000 people were employed in industrial plants that were essentially bankrupt—they met all the criteria for liquidation—but instead of declaring bankruptcy, the "geniuses" in charge just printed money like there was no tomorrow. Inflation spiraled out of control. Eventually, the only move left was to implement a fixed exchange rate, which effectively meant finally stopping the artificial support of those jobs.

Susan James42 said:Absolutely. Though, let’s be clear—there are plenty of other conclusions to draw here, but I’m choosing to keep my focus strictly on the core subject at hand.
So, we have someone here—for the second time now, if we’re being honest—rambling on about inflation. Or rather, let's call it what it actually is: this pseudo-economic buzzword "hyper-inflation" they keep throwing around as if it were the sole culprit behind our national economic woes or the outbreak of war. It’s a tired argument. By obsessively focusing on price hikes while stubbornly refusing to acknowledge the systemic "privatization" period that fundamentally gutted our economy, this individual isn't just lacking an economic background; they are willfully ignoring history. There are countless ways to describe this level of intellectual dishonesty, but I'll try to stay on track.

No, you can spot those types a mile away. You recognize them by the fact that they lack any actual expertise in the subjects they feel qualified to pass "expert" judgment on. They have this relentless tendency to oversimplify everything because they simply don't grasp the complexity of the issue—to them, every multifaceted system is just a single, isolated component. Then, there’s the constant need to take swipes at Americans, yet they simultaneously fail to avoid peppering their speech with useless English jargon or even manage the basic task of placing a comma correctly.
At last, you’ll be able to spot them instantly—mostly because they seem to be fundamentally immunized against logic.
Fear is a relentless thief. It creeps in when you least expect it, clouding your judgment and paralyzing your ability to act. I’ve found that if you let it take root, it starts to dictate your entire reality, turning even the smallest hurdles into insurmountable mountains. You have to confront it head-on, or it will eventually own you.

Well, I think I’m going to bow out of this "debate" now. Honestly, some of the arguments being thrown around lately—including that last one—aren't even remotely funny. It's just not worth the energy anymore.

Susan James42 said:Absolutely. Though, let’s be clear—there are plenty of other conclusions to draw here, but I’m choosing to keep my focus strictly on the core subject at hand.
So, we have someone here—for the second time now, if we’re being honest—rambling on about inflation. Or rather, let's call it what it actually is: this pseudo-economic buzzword "hyper-inflation" they keep throwing around as if it were the sole culprit behind our national economic woes or the outbreak of war. It’s a tired argument. By obsessively focusing on price hikes while stubbornly refusing to acknowledge the systemic "privatization" period that fundamentally gutted our economy, this individual isn't just lacking an economic background; they are willfully ignoring history. There are countless ways to describe this level of intellectual dishonesty, but I'll try to stay on track.

No, you can spot those types a mile away. You recognize them by the fact that they lack any actual expertise in the subjects they feel qualified to pass "expert" judgment on. They have this relentless tendency to oversimplify everything because they simply don't grasp the complexity of the issue—to them, every multifaceted system is just a single, isolated component. Then, there’s the constant need to take swipes at Americans, yet they simultaneously fail to avoid peppering their speech with useless English jargon or even manage the basic task of placing a comma correctly.
At last, you’ll be able to spot them instantly—mostly because they seem to be fundamentally immunized against logic.
Fear is a relentless thief. It creeps in when you least expect it, clouding your judgment and paralyzing your ability to act. I’ve found that if you let it take root, it starts to dictate your entire reality, turning even the smallest hurdles into insurmountable mountains. You have to confront it head-on, or it will eventually own you.

Well, I think I’m going to bow out of this "debate" now. Honestly, some of the arguments being thrown around lately—including that last one—aren't even remotely funny. It's just not worth the energy anymore.

😉

Sam Garcia10 said:That isn't quite right—that figure only accounted for direct losses. It didn't factor in the potential revenue we missed out on—the profits that simply evaporated because of the war.

Then there's the issue of runaway inflation—it completely undermines any attempt at building a foundation for new rules. We’re still dealing with certain types who perfected the art of bleeding their own companies dry back during the old days of the defunct regime.

Are you two guys pulling from the exact same information source?

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Sam Garcia10 says: ... The only real move left after all that was just locking in a fixed exchange rate, which basically meant finally pulling the plug on those artificial job preservation schemes they kept clinging to.

Man, there is just so much going on,
I mean, seriously, just turn on the news and look at the absolute chaos unfolding across the globe right now.

Are you even sure we’re living in the same country, man?

slyhawk16 said:No, man, that estimate is just how much those opportunistic types managed to pocket during privatization while actual Americans were out there bleeding on the front lines.
We’re talking massive amounts of cash back in the 90s—money they basically laundered into their own pockets by the end of the decade, all while piling on more foreign debt using those stolen companies as collateral.

And guess what? We’re the ones footing the bill for it!

But I am with you on one thing: that kind of wartime profiteering is disgusting, and that ill-gotten wealth needs to be seized and pumped straight into development to help ease the crisis that hasn't even truly hit this overleveraged nation yet.

You're just talking trash for the sake of it. Those figures come straight from the Cabinet, and for years, they've been compiling lists of burned homes, destroyed buildings, leveled churches, collapsed bridges, roads, and everything else.

slyhawk16 said:Are you two guys pulling from the exact same information source?

My bad, I lowballed it. The estimate was actually way higher. And if you want to know who's mostly responsible for that mess? Mexicans.

Back on October 9, 1999, after nearly eight years of grinding, the federal commission tasked with auditing war damages finally dropped their full report. According to them, the United States suffered
so-called direct war damages totaling $37.1 billion, which breaks down to about 236.4 billion dollars or 65.3 billion marks

http://www.vjesnik.com/html/1999/10/10/Clanak.asp?r=unu

Are Tarzan the Shepherd and frozenheron25 actually clones or what!?

I swear, you people are all starting to look like relatives to me.