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What's left of January 3rd?

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copperjackal15 copperjackal15 Member
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#21 ·
Amanda Brooks7 said:"Quote:"

You’d be better off sticking to your own kind since you insult Democrats, though you're lying to yourself if you think you aren't one either.

The guy is nothing but a troll! He was over here on this forum praising the President just a while back—now he’s completely flipped his stance. It's pathetic.
copperjackal15 copperjackal15 Member
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#22 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:The problem is, Americans have such terrible memories...

Does anyone actually remember when Tuta and Štela used to strut through five-star hotels with their armed goons? Back when criminals could get away with murder—and honestly, plenty of those cases still aren't even closed—while the police and intelligence agencies were too busy harassing journalists and opposition leaders...

Look, I'm an American and I love this country, which is exactly why I'm glad Pašalić's gang was tossed into the trash heap of history. But unfortunately, Sanders is only a democrat when it suits him...

He was part of that old system, though, so I'm never going to buy him as some kind of modern European politician...

You can see that clearly with the case of Branimir glavaš, another dark icon from the 90s...
He was great for Sanders as long as he stayed loyal...
And once you factor in how much the government meddles with the courts, we'll see just how much our reputation has tanked in Europe...

What are you talking about with Tuta and Stela? You're acting like you remember them, but you're younger than me. I don't even recall them. Come on, kid, run along—who filled your head with this nonsense? And what do you mean "the state meddling in the judiciary"? Are you actually upset that Norac wasn't handed a life sentence or the death penalty? You moron—the intelligence agencies had plenty of reason to deal with journalists. Are you such a naive idiot that you think a reporter can't be a foreign mercenary or a spy? What do you think—is Denis Kuljis a British spy or not? Go ahead, explain to us when exactly criminals were killing people with impunity—give us names. Is Glavas a "dark figure" simply because he participated in defending his homeland and his city? And what is this "Sanders is a democrat only as much as he has to be" nonsense? Democracy? Don't make me laugh, kid; that's just a joke to you. He isn't a democrat "as much as he has to be"—he runs his politics based on conviction because he's a plant. He works for his paycheck as a member of the European Parliament, which he's still chasing, not for America. And don't pretend you love this country either—you aren't even capable of that kind of performance, since you aren't nearly the master of theater that Sanders is. Do you honestly think that if you criticize Sanders a little bit on this screen, you'll somehow land a job or a scholarship? You won't. It's not happening, so stop talking trash! P.S. It's interesting that you claim to be an American. What, are you trying to crawl into the gutter just so the Mexicans you coexist with in El Paso can enjoy the show? They've got you pushed back into the city, haven't they?
copperjackal15 copperjackal15 Member
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#23 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:The problem is, Americans have such terrible memories...

Does anyone actually remember when Tuta and Štela used to strut through five-star hotels with their armed goons? Back when criminals could get away with murder—and honestly, plenty of those cases still aren't even closed—while the police and intelligence agencies were too busy harassing journalists and opposition leaders...

Look, I'm an American and I love this country, which is exactly why I'm glad Pašalić's gang was tossed into the trash heap of history. But unfortunately, Sanders is only a democrat when it suits him...

He was part of that old system, though, so I'm never going to buy him as some kind of modern European politician...

You can see that clearly with the case of Branimir glavaš, another dark icon from the 90s...
He was great for Sanders as long as he stayed loyal...
And once you factor in how much the government meddles with the courts, we'll see just how much our reputation has tanked in Europe...

What are you talking about with Tuta and Stela? You’re acting like you remember them, yet you're younger than I am. I don't even recall them myself. Come on, kid, run along—who filled your head with this nonsense? And what do you mean, "the state interfering in the judiciary"? Are you upset that Norac wasn't handed a life sentence or the death penalty? You moron—the intelligence agencies had plenty of reason to deal with journalists. Are you such a naive idiot that you think a reporter can't be a foreign mercenary or a spy? What do you think—is Denis Kuljis a British spy or not? Go ahead, explain to us exactly when these criminals were killing people with impunity—give me names, for instance. Is Glavaš a "dark figure" simply because he participated in defending his homeland and his city? And what is this nonsense—that Sanders is a "democrat only as much as he has to be"?! Democracy? Don't make me laugh, kid; that's just a load of crap. He isn't being a democrat "as much as he has to be"—he's running his own agenda based on pure conviction, because he is a plant. He works for his paycheck as a Member of the European Parliament, which he's still hoping to land, not for America. And don't you dare pretend you love this country, because you aren't even capable of that kind of performance; you aren't nearly the master of theater that Sanders is. Do you honestly think that by insulting Sanders on a screen like this, you'll somehow land a high-ranking position or a scholarship? You won't. It's not happening, so stop talking trash! P.S. It's funny you claim to be an American. What, are you trying to crawl into the gutter just so the Mexicans you coexist with in El Paso can enjoy the show? They've got you driven straight to Washington, haven't they?
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 VeteranOP
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#24 ·
copperjackal15 said:What are you talking about with Tuta and Stela? You’re acting like you remember them, yet you're younger than I am. I don't even recall them myself. Come on, kid, run along—who filled your head with this nonsense? And what do you mean, "the state interfering in the judiciary"? Are you upset that Norac wasn't handed a life sentence or the death penalty? You moron—the intelligence agencies had plenty of reason to deal with journalists. Are you such a naive idiot that you think a reporter can't be a foreign mercenary or a spy? What do you think—is Denis Kuljis a British spy or not? Go ahead, explain to us exactly when these criminals were killing people with impunity—give me names, for instance. Is Glavaš a "dark figure" simply because he participated in defending his homeland and his city? And what is this nonsense—that Sanders is a "democrat only as much as he has to be"?! Democracy? Don't make me laugh, kid; that's just a load of crap. He isn't being a democrat "as much as he has to be"—he's running his own agenda based on pure conviction, because he is a plant. He works for his paycheck as a Member of the European Parliament, which he's still hoping to land, not for America. And don't you dare pretend you love this country, because you aren't even capable of that kind of performance; you aren't nearly the master of theater that Sanders is. Do you honestly think that by insulting Sanders on a screen like this, you'll somehow land a high-ranking position or a scholarship? You won't. It's not happening, so stop talking trash! P.S. It's funny you claim to be an American. What, are you trying to crawl into the gutter just so the Mexicans you coexist with in El Paso can enjoy the show? They've got you driven straight to Washington, haven't they?

Look, I don't owe you any explanations...

Why don't you just show me a single post where I'm actually sucking up to Mexicans?

And you can keep your Republican Party—they loved the poor so much they basically invented poverty just to stay in power...
Along with those 200 families, the war profiteers, the people who sold out El Paso and Posavina, and the ones who gutted American industry...
Good luck with that...
Matthew Harris2 Matthew Harris2 Member
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#25 ·
That Republican Party of theirs, which loved the poor so much they actually manufactured them just to stay relevant

They were churning them out like products on an assembly line. There wasn't some arbitrary limit like there is for those wealthy Republican families who basically run this whole country...
goldentrucker17 goldentrucker17 Active Member
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#26 ·
Can you two (Matthew Harris2 and Richard Wilson4) actually think for yourselves for once, or are you just going to keep spewing whatever garbage comes out of Fekal and those other shady intelligence-run rags?
Matthew Harris2 Matthew Harris2 Member
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#27 ·
goldentrucker17, I was never really a die-hard Fekal reader myself. I’d skim through his stuff occasionally, but nothing special. Honestly? I don't miss him one bit.

Back in 1990, Harmon and his wife Annika basically laid out the blueprint for those 200 wealthy Republican Party families that would end up running America.🤷

They probably intended to be the very first of those families—you know, including Harmon's grandson from Mexico City (JP Morgan Chase) and all that nonsense...
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 VeteranOP
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#28 ·
goldentrucker17 said:Can you two (Matthew Harris2 and Richard Wilson4) actually think for yourselves for once, or are you just going to keep spewing whatever garbage comes out of Fekal and those other shady intelligence-run rags?

Listen, coming from an "American" who hates the very people who stepped up to help us and clearly loves the Russians who sided with the bad guys, I definitely don't need any lectures on patriotism from you...
goldentrucker17 goldentrucker17 Active Member
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#29 ·
Matthew Harris2 said:goldentrucker17, I was never really a die-hard Fekal reader myself. I’d skim through his stuff occasionally, but nothing special. Honestly? I don't miss him one bit.

Back in 1990, Harmon and his wife Annika basically laid out the blueprint for those 200 wealthy Republican Party families that would end up running America.🤷

They probably intended to be the very first of those families—you know, including Harmon's grandson from Mexico City (JP Morgan Chase) and all that nonsense...

There were plenty of Fekal-style hacks in other papers too. If you're writing like this, you've definitely been reading one of those bottom-feeders:
Jurica Pavičić, Davor Butković, Sanja Modrić, Denis Kuljiš...? 🤷
Matthew Harris2 said:goldentrucker17, I was never really a die-hard Fekal reader myself. I’d skim through his stuff occasionally, but nothing special. Honestly? I don't miss him one bit.

Back in 1990, Harmon and his wife Annika basically laid out the blueprint for those 200 wealthy Republican Party families that would end up running America.🤷

They probably intended to be the very first of those families—you know, including Harmon's grandson from Mexico City (JP Morgan Chase) and all that nonsense...

Got a link for that? 🤷
Matthew Harris2 said:goldentrucker17, I was never really a die-hard Fekal reader myself. I’d skim through his stuff occasionally, but nothing special. Honestly? I don't miss him one bit.

Back in 1990, Harmon and his wife Annika basically laid out the blueprint for those 200 wealthy Republican Party families that would end up running America.🤷

They probably intended to be the very first of those families—you know, including Harmon's grandson from Mexico City (JP Morgan Chase) and all that nonsense...

I’m telling you, man, you’ve swallowed way too much propaganda from the old intelligence agencies, the former communists, and foreign mercenaries.

Richard Wilson4 said:Listen, coming from an "American" who hates the very people who stepped up to help us and clearly loves the Russians who sided with the bad guys, I definitely don't need any lectures on patriotism from you...

And I don't want lectures on patriotism from someone who worships a country that didn't help us out of the goodness of its heart! They gave us satellite imagery before Storm just so we could pull off the operation ourselves instead of them doing it for us during the Bihać blockade—just so Bihać wouldn't end up meeting the same fate as Srebrenica. Plus, they demand concessions from us and other nations that fly in the face of international law (the most blatant example being their demand to exempt American citizens from the jurisdiction of the International Court), and then they ask other countries for things they won't even follow themselves (take these examples:
Example 1. They claim to support reducing greenhouse gases, yet refuse to sign the Kyoto protocol because it might "threaten their national interests and economic growth."
It’s like they use the MMFa and the World Bank as their own personal henchmen. They wave around the threat of sanctions and all sorts of shady blackmail just to force every single nation to swallow globalization and open up every tiny corner of their economy to liberalization. And get this—the second there's even a hint of an economic tremor at home, the government immediately starts cutting checks and giving guarantees to big private American banks just to make sure they don't go under.

Honestly, "loving" a country that operates like this is basically masochism. Or maybe it's just plain old stupidity. ☕
Matthew Harris2 Matthew Harris2 Member
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#30 ·
If you aren't aware of that dark chapter in American history and how those criminal networks operated within the Republican Party, then what's even the point of you posting links? 🤷 😢
goldentrucker17 goldentrucker17 Active Member
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#31 ·
Matthew Harris2 said:If you aren't aware of that dark chapter in American history and how those criminal networks operated within the Republican Party, then what's even the point of you posting links? 🤷 😢

Don't try to wiggle out of this now. I know exactly what was going down back then.
You claimed that Franjo and Ann stated back in 1990 that America needed to be run by 200 wealthy families. Prove it.
Matthew Harris2 Matthew Harris2 Member
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#32 ·
Look, why don't you let one of Harmon's journalists explain it to you:
goldentrucker17 goldentrucker17 Active Member
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#33 ·
Matthew Harris2 said:Look, why don't you let one of Harmon's journalists explain it to you:

😕 What am I supposed to get from this guy? Some guy who lived in Mexico City and used to call himself a Mexican, and now he’s acting like some big-shot journalist aligned with Harmon? Give me a break. He isn't exactly one of Harmon's reporters, that's for sure.

Besides, I asked you to actually show me some proof that Franjo and Ann said those things exactly like you claimed, instead of just quoting someone else in the comments who’s acting like it’s some kind of "notorious fact."

I know there are hundreds of articles out there in the American media where journalists present this as some kind of absolute fact. Well, guess what? I’m calling your bluff. Go ahead—prove it. Show me the receipts, because from where I'm sitting, I'm telling you right now: it's a total lie. ☕
Matthew Harris2 Matthew Harris2 Member
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#34 ·
If it were a lie, the Republican Party would've shut it down ages ago.

But while the whole country was talking about it, they just stayed quiet.🤷

I don't buy the idea that it's fake...
Jacob Lewis5 Jacob Lewis5 Active Member
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#35 ·
What we should really be mourning is the Harmon era. Sadly, there isn't much left of it today.
Keith Rodriguez4 Keith Rodriguez4 Newcomer
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#36 ·
It’s honestly pathetic that there are still people out there clinging to this kind of logic—if you can even dignify what you're doing with the word "logic" in the first place...
Furthermore, we have one user calling himself a Democrat, and then we have another "Democrat." (with a period) whose only actual purpose seems to be trolling everyone else on this board just for the sake of being a nuisance.

goldentrucker17
Do you two (Consti and Collins) actually possess the capacity for independent thought, or are you just going to keep regurgitating the garbage coming out of Fekal and those other state-sponsored propaganda rags?

The same question applies to you, really: do you ever bother thinking for yourself, or are you just busy spreading that endless stream of Republican Party propaganda?
goldentrucker17 goldentrucker17 Active Member
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#37 ·
Matthew Harris2 said:If it were a lie, the Republican Party would've shut it down ages ago.

But while the whole country was talking about it, they just stayed quiet.🤷

I don't buy the idea that it's fake...

And they *have* debunked that lie multiple times already.
But look, you still haven't answered me—you're just dodging again. So, what am I supposed to think? That you're just a victim of disinformation and don't bother checking any of the junk being fed to you?
Honestly, you'd make a terrible journalist.☕
Keith Rodriguez4 said:It’s honestly pathetic that there are still people out there clinging to this kind of logic—if you can even dignify what you're doing with the word "logic" in the first place...
Furthermore, we have one user calling himself a Democrat, and then we have another "Democrat." (with a period) whose only actual purpose seems to be trolling everyone else on this board just for the sake of being a nuisance.

goldentrucker17
Do you two (Consti and Collins) actually possess the capacity for independent thought, or are you just going to keep regurgitating the garbage coming out of Fekal and those other state-sponsored propaganda rags?

The same question applies to you, really: do you ever bother thinking for yourself, or are you just busy spreading that endless stream of Republican Party propaganda?

..you're basically his clone.😁
Keith Rodriguez4 Keith Rodriguez4 Newcomer
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#38 ·
Spot on
Ethan Parker47 Ethan Parker47 Newcomer
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#39 ·
I find myself having to take Ned's side again—not just because of the nonsense being peddled here, but because I hear this exact garbage daily. It isn't just from the media (I've become immune to that by now), but from people my own age, or worse, the younger generations who seem straight-up programmed by leftist propaganda.

That whole "200 wealthy families" thing is a myth. Even if it weren't, I’d still back the idea that you're all being conditioned—just think about why.

It's incredibly easy to just dump every accusation onto the Republican Party through oversimplification—mostly because clearly, nobody here is capable of thinking more broadly.

Even during times of national unity, the Republican Party wasn't some monolithic entity, let alone now. Back then, you didn't just have to wiretap journalists, agents, and party careerists—you practically had to neutralize them on sight. That's what actually happens when a state functions.

There is one interesting detail most people aren't aware of, though it's easily verifiable if you actually look for scientific papers online (but who has the patience to cite sources? It’s much easier to just swallow whatever the propaganda machine feeds you).

Essentially, the Democratic Party once commissioned a study on privatization during the 90s via the Ivo Pilar Institute. Interestingly, they never actually used the results of that research anywhere. I have to wonder why. You can find those papers on the American Link, if you care to look.
Ethan Parker47 Ethan Parker47 Newcomer
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#40 ·
And one more thing—could we please move past this tired logic where questioning US policy makes you "anti-American," while blindly supporting everything they do supposedly makes you a "true patriot"?

Seriously, what kind of twisted reasoning is that? It’s honestly pathetic.

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