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Richard Wilson4 said:Alright...
What kind of district is it, stretching from rural Alabama all the way up to the Midwest?
The areas around Memphis and St. Louis aren't just one big block; they're linked through the plains and the river valleys where the Republican Party is strongest (and yeah, even in Memphis, they're huge)...
New York City is split into four different districts...
And so on...
Anything else you need to know?
Jacob Lewis5 said:Look, I don't know how you’d draw these lines without someone crying foul about gerrymandering. If you lump Chicago and Detroit together, you’d have to somehow connect places like Indianapolis and St. Louis, and you’d end up right back at square one—just more Republican strongholds. Even if District 10 was bigger and District 9 was smaller, it wouldn't change the math; the GOP would still own those areas. I don't see anything weird here. And obviously, a huge metro area needs multiple districts so you don't end up with a situation where one rep represents 30 people in one spot while another is stuck with 3,000.
To me, claims about "rigged" districts just aren't a solid argument.
raido said:....you're calling it demagoguery—so, is a retiree scavenging through trash cans considered demagoguery to you? Just yesterday, two guys in my neighborhood got into a physical fight over a dumpster... I'd love for one of them to be your father so you could keep preaching about demagoguery...
....or is the collusion between the current administration and the mob also just demagoguery? Honestly, can't you see what's happening all over New York City?
..do you see the kind of verdicts being handed down lately? Are you actually going to tell me that lady sitting on the ethics commission meant to prevent conflicts of interest was some kind of saint?
..or are you trying to claim it's demagoguery to say that America couldn't support 500,000 active veterans because if they actually existed, they would have marched all the way to Moscow back in the 90s...
...or do you think it's demagoguery to point out how worker protections in America have been completely gutted, even though they're stronger in most other Western nations than they are here?
...is it demagoguery that 50% of our young people flee the country the second they graduate or get a decent job offer?
....is corruption demagoguery too? Well, probably, according to you—since almost everyone accused ends up acquitted or the cases just gather dust until they expire...
...and our broken healthcare system is just more demagoguery, I suppose?
..and we're supposed to believe the mess that held power for four years is responsible for all of it?
...my friend, that right there is exactly what cheap, right-wing demagoguery looks like.
...maybe you live in America, but you definitely belong to that "privileged" class of Americans who don't have to deal with the struggles of the rest of us...
And as for my own interests—which part isn't clicking for you? Besides, unlike you, I'm not ashamed of my hobbies, and I can certainly discuss them here and there with people on this forum, but certainly not with you...
Richard Wilson4 said:How do you guys explain the Watergate scandal? And why isn't there even an article about it on the American Wikipedia, while it's all over the English one?
Jacob Lewis5 said:It was basically the moment where Franjo Harmon proved he was a bigger democrat than all his rivals put together.
Richard Wilson4 said:Wait, what exactly do you mean by that?!? 😲😲😲
Do you even realize what you just typed?
This isn't funny, it's actually pretty pathetic... 👎
Honestly, I feel bad that we both come from the same great American people—people I'm proud to be part of—yet you're out here tripping over these outdated ideas... 👎
Jacob Lewis5 said:Look, I'm not trying to get petty or keep this insult war going, but I am seriously ashamed to call us part of the same country. Then again, I guess people this naive and regressive have always been around in America.
I know exactly what I wrote, and honestly, it’s neither funny nor sad. It’s just the truth. Take the political crisis in New York City back in the day: Reagan showed he was more of a democrat than all his opponents combined.
The Republican Party won those elections. But then six different parties—who didn't even share any ideological common ground and, more importantly, never even announced they were forming a coalition—all teamed up. They totally betrayed their voters just to push out the actual winner. This ragtag group from George Wallace all the way to Bill Clinton decided they wanted power despite not being elected. Reagan did the only thing he was allowed to do, and honestly, any leader would have had to do the same if a situation like that hit us today—he forced a new election. What Reagan's opponents pulled was incredibly rude and undemocratic. (And let's be real, most of them ended up in power eventually only to prove they weren't any better than the current Republican Party they tried to oust—which is even worse considering they were playing games while we were still dealing with the fallout of the reintegration process). So, you got any more "Reagan is a dictator" accusations for the small-minded crowd? 🤣?
Hey man said:Are you actually trying to pull someone's leg with a statement like that?
nimblewolf71 said:It’s a bit of a shame that nobody really stops to mark the anniversary of when we first embraced this version of democracy—if you can even call it that—about nine years ago. But here we are, living through it...
More importantly, though, is how the Republican Party managed to pivot from being an essentially totalitarian movement into just another mainstream political party. Sure, they're still deeply mired in corruption, but at least on paper, they've finally started playing by the democratic rules of the game...