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shadownomad4 shadownomad4 Active Member
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#41 ·
Roger Smith5 said:You have expressed yourself beautifully once again! My sincerest compliments.

Not only did Jesus provide us with the ultimate example, but God Himself demonstrated His love by offering us the Lamb... truly, He serves as the bridge.
Jesus acts as both the Shepherd and the Lamb simultaneously.

Humanity did not cease committing sins even immediately following the death of Jesus... yet, original sin carried its own heavy price!

I maintain my belief that there exists both a place called Heaven and a state of being known as paradise.
Perhaps such a place is where souls go after achieving a certain level of enlightenment and spiritual evolution.
For it is not a northern or southern sin, but rather the Eastern original sin.
I cannot bring myself to accept the idea I heard that some locate Eden on Venus, though it might make sense given that the planet lies to the east. While Venus is currently a landscape of sulfurous fire, that matters little when one considers the spiritual archetype of that location. I am uncertain how I phrased that final thought... do you happen to know the origin of the term "Eastern"?

Yes, thank God, he did.
The term "original sin" is used because all other sins flow from that primary transgression, which is how God holds humanity accountable.
The first sinner was an angel who was beautiful, perhaps the most beautiful of them all. He led the worship in the spiritual kingdom, where they sang praises to our creator. Unfortunately, pride got the better of him; he became arrogant and claimed he would sit on God's throne and be just like Him. In doing so, he deceived one-third of the angels, and God cast them out of His kingdom. Today, that fallen angel is known as Satan, and his followers are called demons. Hell was created for him and his followers, not for mankind, yet unfortunately, people end up there simply due to their own spiritual inclinations, failing to accept the merciful gift of salvation.
Satan approached Adam and Eve—specifically, he targeted Eve—deceiving her with the thought that they could become gods themselves if they ate from the forbidden tree. That was the moment sin entered the world, as divine law was broken, causing an immediate separation between Adam, Eve, and God. Consequently, their bodies became subject to sin, their spirits died, and we are all their descendants, inheriting that original sin. To maintain a relationship with God, they had to offer animal sacrifices; that blood merely covered their sin so they could remain in fellowship with a God who always longed for His children and offered second chances. They weren't permanently redeemed from sin until Christ arrived. Therefore, those who are in Christ are no longer descendants of Adam through sin, but are instead part of Christ, who was without sin.
Some people struggle to grasp the purpose of these sacrifices, trying to rationalize everything through logic. But that is a bottomless pit, for He is unknowable. One can only please Him by placing one's trust in Him—through faith. And really, who are we to judge God?

Ultimately, Satan is the original culprit behind sin, and he remains the architect of evil today. He uses his spirits to tempt people by influencing their thoughts toward wrongdoing. Often, a person is unaware of this influence; they believe these impulses are their own thoughts, making it difficult to even recognize or resist them. However, someone who possesses the Holy Spirit can sense when something is being imposed upon them from that side, because the Spirit bears witness to everything through that internal voice we now call intuition.
I may have wandered off on a tangent, but I believe there is great value in dismantling Satan's tactics.
shadownomad4 shadownomad4 Active Member
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#42 ·
The most profound realization of mercy I have ever personally experienced is this: a person lying on their deathbed—acting solely upon the grace by which they are saved, rather than through their own works—simply by believing in their heart that Jesus rose from the dead and confessing with their lips that He is their Lord (the one who takes full responsibility for them), departs to Him, to God, at the very moment their breathing ceases.
"For if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." Romans 10:9
It is truly beautiful how He remains faithful to His Word in the Bible. I am certain that when a soul comes to Him, He shows mercy for all those days spent in ignorance and helplessness; moreover, when one is with Him, the joy is so overwhelming and His forgiveness so absolute that a person finds it possible to forgive themselves, as well as others who failed to share the Truth. Therefore, we who have come to know the Truth strive to spread it wherever we go, knowing that whoever stands firm upon His Word will return with a testimony.

"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations..." Matthew 28:18,19
mistygull16 mistygull16 Active Member
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#43 ·
So, does that mean if there were no Satan, everyone would just be saved automatically?
I mean, which version of Satan was sent our way?
Sean Kelly52 Sean Kelly52 Newcomer
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#44 ·
shadownomad4 said:The most profound realization of mercy I have ever personally experienced is this: a person lying on their deathbed—acting solely upon the grace by which they are saved, rather than through their own works—simply by believing in their heart that Jesus rose from the dead and confessing with their lips that He is their Lord (the one who takes full responsibility for them), departs to Him, to God, at the very moment their breathing ceases.
"For if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." Romans 10:9
It is truly beautiful how He remains faithful to His Word in the Bible. I am certain that when a soul comes to Him, He shows mercy for all those days spent in ignorance and helplessness; moreover, when one is with Him, the joy is so overwhelming and His forgiveness so absolute that a person finds it possible to forgive themselves, as well as others who failed to share the Truth. Therefore, we who have come to know the Truth strive to spread it wherever we go, knowing that whoever stands firm upon His Word will return with a testimony.

"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations..." Matthew 28:18,19

Sorry... but I honestly don't see how that's YOUR personal realization.
shadownomad4 said:The most profound realization of mercy I have ever personally experienced is this: a person lying on their deathbed—acting solely upon the grace by which they are saved, rather than through their own works—simply by believing in their heart that Jesus rose from the dead and confessing with their lips that He is their Lord (the one who takes full responsibility for them), departs to Him, to God, at the very moment their breathing ceases.
"For if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." Romans 10:9
It is truly beautiful how He remains faithful to His Word in the Bible. I am certain that when a soul comes to Him, He shows mercy for all those days spent in ignorance and helplessness; moreover, when one is with Him, the joy is so overwhelming and His forgiveness so absolute that a person finds it possible to forgive themselves, as well as others who failed to share the Truth. Therefore, we who have come to know the Truth strive to spread it wherever we go, knowing that whoever stands firm upon His Word will return with a testimony.

"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations..." Matthew 28:18,19

Once you actually grasp the Truth...
there’s zero need to just copy-paste stuff...
you don't even need to argue AGAINST anything...it's all about being FOR...
FOR love... FOR bliss... FOR mercy.
There's no point trying to convince people you've found the Truth...
because... you can just feel it... a divine fragrance starts radiating from you.
LIGHT spreads around us... you don't have to fight the darkness because it
just vanishes the moment we show up.🙂
shadownomad4 shadownomad4 Active Member
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#45 ·
mistygull16 said:So, does that mean if there were no Satan, everyone would just be saved automatically?
I mean, which version of Satan was sent our way?

Satan is fundamentally opposed to everything that belongs to God (it is to those who receive Him—the Holy Spirit—that He grants the authority to become children of God), and he stands against anyone who possesses the Spirit. Those with the Spirit hold the power to resist Satan and his predatory spirits (fallen angels) who strive to destroy everything. This destruction encompasses humanity and the entire world, as both were created by God. The reasoning here is quite logical and straightforward: because Satan and all his demons are already condemned to eternal torment in hell, they have nothing left to lose. Their only remaining objective is to inflict as much evil as possible while they still can. Imagine someone who knows they are doomed and realizes there is absolutely no hope for mercy. What do they do? They go all the way, don't they?

Satan was originally an angel, but he was consumed by pride and turned against God with the intention of seizing His throne. Consequently, he was cast out along with the other angels he led astray. This means that no one sent him; he chose this path himself.

That is precisely why Jesus came: to grant us the authority to act in His name—much like how lawyers operate, to make the concept clearer—so that we may cast out evil spirits from ourselves and others. These spirits are often the root cause of many illnesses, yet they possess no authority over the children of God. This stands in stark contrast to those who have no defense against Satan because they lack the Almighty Holy Spirit.
shadownomad4 shadownomad4 Active Member
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#46 ·
Sean Kelly52 said:Sorry... but I honestly don't see how that's YOUR personal realization.

Once you actually grasp the Truth...
there’s zero need to just copy-paste stuff...
you don't even need to argue AGAINST anything...it's all about being FOR...
FOR love... FOR bliss... FOR mercy.
There's no point trying to convince people you've found the Truth...
because... you can just feel it... a divine fragrance starts radiating from you.
LIGHT spreads around us... you don't have to fight the darkness because it
just vanishes the moment we show up.🙂

Realization is about the MERCY that God provided through Jesus, allowing a person to be saved so simply—even on their deathbed—regardless of how they lived their entire life.

"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6 This is the realization of the Truth.
Michael Moore3 Michael Moore3 Active Member
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#47 ·
shadownomad4 said:Satan is fundamentally opposed to everything that belongs to God (it is to those who receive Him—the Holy Spirit—that He grants the authority to become children of God), and he stands against anyone who possesses the Spirit. Those with the Spirit hold the power to resist Satan and his predatory spirits (fallen angels) who strive to destroy everything. This destruction encompasses humanity and the entire world, as both were created by God. The reasoning here is quite logical and straightforward: because Satan and all his demons are already condemned to eternal torment in hell, they have nothing left to lose. Their only remaining objective is to inflict as much evil as possible while they still can. Imagine someone who knows they are doomed and realizes there is absolutely no hope for mercy. What do they do? They go all the way, don't they?

Satan was originally an angel, but he was consumed by pride and turned against God with the intention of seizing His throne. Consequently, he was cast out along with the other angels he led astray. This means that no one sent him; he chose this path himself.

That is precisely why Jesus came: to grant us the authority to act in His name—much like how lawyers operate, to make the concept clearer—so that we may cast out evil spirits from ourselves and others. These spirits are often the root cause of many illnesses, yet they possess no authority over the children of God. This stands in stark contrast to those who have no defense against Satan because they lack the Almighty Holy Spirit.

Be honest with me, straight from the heart: if you were facing that kind of judgment, would you actually double down? Or would you swallow your pride, admit your mistakes, and finally face the music?

Don't you see that by talking about Satan as if he were himself Satan, you're essentially just passing judgment? Jesus said it plenty of times—He spoke of forgiveness and loving your enemies.
It seems clear to me that both Jesus and God don't want you harboring hatred toward Satan; rather, they want you to forgive his transgressions. After all, the only true sin Satan committed was pride—which happens to be the exact same pride that keeps us from being able to forgive others...

It’s only when you find it in yourself to forgive your worst enemy that the gates of heaven truly swing open for you.

And please, don't get me wrong—forgiving Satan doesn't mean you have to follow him; it just means making peace with the reality of who he is. Even he came from God, and God chose not to destroy him, because God’s love is so vast that it encompasses even His own opposite.
Joseph Ramos11 Joseph Ramos11 Active Member
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#48 ·
shadownomad4 said:Realization is about the MERCY that God provided through Jesus, allowing a person to be saved so simply—even on their deathbed—regardless of how they lived their entire life.

"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6 This is the realization of the Truth.

And you're absolutely right about that. There’s just a massive difference between how Jesus uses words like "I" or "Me" and how you're interpreting them. When Jesus, that enlightened teacher, says "No one comes to the Father except through me," he's saying you have to reach a specific level of consciousness and self-realization to reach the Father—to reach "heaven" (or Nirvana, the Tao, or whatever term you prefer)...

When you say "I," you're thinking of a physical person made of flesh and blood, someone with a name, a social status, and a specific personality. You're tied up in those concepts, so you assume Jesus thinks and acts just like you do within those same boundaries. That's really where the misunderstanding of his words comes from...
Sean Kelly52 Sean Kelly52 Newcomer
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#49 ·
shadownomad4 said:Realization is about the MERCY that God provided through Jesus, allowing a person to be saved so simply—even on their deathbed—regardless of how they lived their entire life.

"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6 This is the realization of the Truth.

Look, buddy, you can quote the Bible all day and claim you BELIEVE in it, in Jesus's resurrection, and in mercy.
That’s your right, but don't go calling it YOUR OWN REALIZATION. You weren't there on your deathbed experiencing it firsthand, so it's not YOUR experience.
Get this straight: BELIEF is one thing, but realizing the Truth is something else entirely.
I'm telling you again, once you actually REALIZE the Truth, you won't need to drop quotes—people will start quoting you instead.
Take care🙂
shadownomad4 shadownomad4 Active Member
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#50 ·
Sean Kelly52 said:Look, buddy, you can quote the Bible all day and claim you BELIEVE in it, in Jesus's resurrection, and in mercy.
That’s your right, but don't go calling it YOUR OWN REALIZATION. You weren't there on your deathbed experiencing it firsthand, so it's not YOUR experience.
Get this straight: BELIEF is one thing, but realizing the Truth is something else entirely.
I'm telling you again, once you actually REALIZE the Truth, you won't need to drop quotes—people will start quoting you instead.
Take care🙂

The Bible contains the Word of God, backed by God Himself who fulfills it, which is why a Christian quotes the Word and builds their life upon it.

No, I was not on my own deathbed, but I was present when a man accepted Christ in a hospital room at his bedside. That was sufficient for me. It didn't have to be my own experience to witness the profound peace that man received; he could barely speak, but it was enough.
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#51 ·
Michael Moore3 said:Be honest with me, straight from the heart: if you were facing that kind of judgment, would you actually double down? Or would you swallow your pride, admit your mistakes, and finally face the music?

Don't you see that by talking about Satan as if he were himself Satan, you're essentially just passing judgment? Jesus said it plenty of times—He spoke of forgiveness and loving your enemies.
It seems clear to me that both Jesus and God don't want you harboring hatred toward Satan; rather, they want you to forgive his transgressions. After all, the only true sin Satan committed was pride—which happens to be the exact same pride that keeps us from being able to forgive others...

It’s only when you find it in yourself to forgive your worst enemy that the gates of heaven truly swing open for you.

And please, don't get me wrong—forgiving Satan doesn't mean you have to follow him; it just means making peace with the reality of who he is. Even he came from God, and God chose not to destroy him, because God’s love is so vast that it encompasses even His own opposite.


God has already judged Satan, and this has already taken place in the spirit; we are simply waiting for the fullness of time for it to be realized physically, otherwise God would not have created hell for him and the others.
I have no reason to hate him because he is defeated. For three days, Jesus dragged him through hell until the Resurrection, so that everyone could see WHO THE KING OF KINGS is. He took the keys of death, and there is absolutely no authority over a Christian who is aware of their authority in Christ.

As for forgiving him, I have nothing to forgive. Regarding what he did to me for years, I wasn't even aware of it—I wasn't aware of his influence. That gives you the answer: he operates through the unconscious, which is why Christians are equipped with the Holy Spirit, who awakens people through His voice speaking through them.

In the same way, he carries out his work, but once he sees he can do nothing to you, he retreats because the force within a Christian is almighty.
Every person should ask themselves how aware they are of their own unconsciousness. Once you receive Christ, His consciousness comes alive within you and shows you EVERYTHING, and you begin to live within His consciousness, which is the Beginning and the End, the Alpha and the Omega.🙏
Elizabeth Lewis11 Elizabeth Lewis11 Newcomer
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#52 ·
Hey there, shadownomad4.
Reading through your posts, it’s pretty clear you actually know your way around the Bible—which, let's be honest, is becoming a rare find these days. It’s genuinely refreshing to see someone actually trying to build their life on the Bible and God's will rather than just drifting along. I've jumped into various discussions on this forum before, and frankly, most people tend to be incredibly shallow and simple-minded. I don't mean to imply that your current interlocutors are shallow—not in the way some others have been, at least—but rather that people searching for answers often lack the courage to truly "surrender" to God. They haven't reached that level of intimacy with Him where they can actually extend real trust, or faith, you know? So, instead, they stick to what's comfortable: trusting themselves—their own opinions, their fleeting feelings, and their limited life experiences.
Best,
Michael Moore3 Michael Moore3 Active Member
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#53 ·
shadownomad4 said:God has already judged Satan, and this has already taken place in the spirit; we are simply waiting for the fullness of time for it to be realized physically, otherwise God would not have created hell for him and the others.
I have no reason to hate him because he is defeated. For three days, Jesus dragged him through hell until the Resurrection, so that everyone could see WHO THE KING OF KINGS is. He took the keys of death, and there is absolutely no authority over a Christian who is aware of their authority in Christ.

As for forgiving him, I have nothing to forgive. Regarding what he did to me for years, I wasn't even aware of it—I wasn't aware of his influence. That gives you the answer: he operates through the unconscious, which is why Christians are equipped with the Holy Spirit, who awakens people through His voice speaking through them.

In the same way, he carries out his work, but once he sees he can do nothing to you, he retreats because the force within a Christian is almighty.
Every person should ask themselves how aware they are of their own unconsciousness. Once you receive Christ, His consciousness comes alive within you and shows you EVERYTHING, and you begin to live within His consciousness, which is the Beginning and the End, the Alpha and the Omega.🙏

Jesus simply wouldn't do that, and He never would.
Jesus isn't some bully looking to take pleasure in tormenting an "enemy."
shadownomad4 👎
It seems you have a fundamentally flawed perception of Jesus. To you, He’s just some "victorious warrior," a general of goodness who exists to
destroy evil—but that isn't the Truth. Jesus wasn't sent to fight; He was sent to teach the kind of love that produces peace, understanding, and goodness...
shadownomad4 said:God has already judged Satan, and this has already taken place in the spirit; we are simply waiting for the fullness of time for it to be realized physically, otherwise God would not have created hell for him and the others.
I have no reason to hate him because he is defeated. For three days, Jesus dragged him through hell until the Resurrection, so that everyone could see WHO THE KING OF KINGS is. He took the keys of death, and there is absolutely no authority over a Christian who is aware of their authority in Christ.

As for forgiving him, I have nothing to forgive. Regarding what he did to me for years, I wasn't even aware of it—I wasn't aware of his influence. That gives you the answer: he operates through the unconscious, which is why Christians are equipped with the Holy Spirit, who awakens people through His voice speaking through them.

In the same way, he carries out his work, but once he sees he can do nothing to you, he retreats because the force within a Christian is almighty.
Every person should ask themselves how aware they are of their own unconsciousness. Once you receive Christ, His consciousness comes alive within you and shows you EVERYTHING, and you begin to live within His consciousness, which is the Beginning and the End, the Alpha and the Omega.🙏

If Satan acts through the subconscious, then we aren't responsible for our own actions; it would mean Satan is merely acting through us. That isn't the Truth.
The responsibility for both our conscious and unconscious actions rests entirely with us.
If you kill someone during a momentary lapse of sanity—a state where you aren't even aware of your own movements—is it Satan within you who did it, or is it you?
shadownomad4 said:God has already judged Satan, and this has already taken place in the spirit; we are simply waiting for the fullness of time for it to be realized physically, otherwise God would not have created hell for him and the others.
I have no reason to hate him because he is defeated. For three days, Jesus dragged him through hell until the Resurrection, so that everyone could see WHO THE KING OF KINGS is. He took the keys of death, and there is absolutely no authority over a Christian who is aware of their authority in Christ.

As for forgiving him, I have nothing to forgive. Regarding what he did to me for years, I wasn't even aware of it—I wasn't aware of his influence. That gives you the answer: he operates through the unconscious, which is why Christians are equipped with the Holy Spirit, who awakens people through His voice speaking through them.

In the same way, he carries out his work, but once he sees he can do nothing to you, he retreats because the force within a Christian is almighty.
Every person should ask themselves how aware they are of their own unconsciousness. Once you receive Christ, His consciousness comes alive within you and shows you EVERYTHING, and you begin to live within His consciousness, which is the Beginning and the End, the Alpha and the Omega.🙏

1. God hasn't passed any judgment. God isn't a judge.
2. God didn't create "hell"—God cast Satan out to Earth, and that "casting out" wasn't an act of force, but one of profound sorrow, much like a father having to watch his son, a thief and a murderer, being led away to prison... because God would much rather that Lucifer had never sinned against Him.
Every other version of the story where God and Satan are angry enemies is just the result of Satan's own teachings, which have corrupted most religions. Satan hates God and wants to portray Him to all of us as vindictive and vain, lying to us by claiming that God fights against Satan.
Satan is clever; if he can convince us that God is vengeful, warlike, and intolerant of sinners, people will begin to fear God (which is exactly how they view Him). And fear is Satan's weapon... because how can you truly love someone you are afraid of?
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#54 ·
Elizabeth Lewis11 said:Hey there, shadownomad4.
Reading through your posts, it’s pretty clear you actually know your way around the Bible—which, let's be honest, is becoming a rare find these days. It’s genuinely refreshing to see someone actually trying to build their life on the Bible and God's will rather than just drifting along. I've jumped into various discussions on this forum before, and frankly, most people tend to be incredibly shallow and simple-minded. I don't mean to imply that your current interlocutors are shallow—not in the way some others have been, at least—but rather that people searching for answers often lack the courage to truly "surrender" to God. They haven't reached that level of intimacy with Him where they can actually extend real trust, or faith, you know? So, instead, they stick to what's comfortable: trusting themselves—their own opinions, their fleeting feelings, and their limited life experiences.
Best,

You are absolutely correct!
There is one crucial point you overlooked: if those of us who possess certain insights into the Truth fail to convey them—whether through media or by witnessing through our own lives—then others will never gain insight into the Truth, and the Holy Spirit will have no medium through which to work in their lives.
God looks upon and sees a people thirsty for the Truth, and the Holy Spirit comes with His presence into the life of such a person.
I have personally experienced this many times when witnessing the Truth face-to-face; people have undergone various forms of mercy and true liberation.
Therefore, let us write and speak the Word, for it is the only thing that penetrates where nothing else can or will. After all, it was that very same Word that created the world; surely it can do anything else.🙂
Brian Thomas612 Brian Thomas612 Member
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#55 ·
shadownomad4 said:You are absolutely correct!
There is one crucial point you overlooked: if those of us who possess certain insights into the Truth fail to convey them—whether through media or by witnessing through our own lives—then others will never gain insight into the Truth, and the Holy Spirit will have no medium through which to work in their lives.
God looks upon and sees a people thirsty for the Truth, and the Holy Spirit comes with His presence into the life of such a person.
I have personally experienced this many times when witnessing the Truth face-to-face; people have undergone various forms of mercy and true liberation.
Therefore, let us write and speak the Word, for it is the only thing that penetrates where nothing else can or will. After all, it was that very same Word that created the world; surely it can do anything else.🙂

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#56 ·
Michael Moore3 said:Jesus simply wouldn't do that, and He never would.
Jesus isn't some bully looking to take pleasure in tormenting an "enemy."
shadownomad4 👎
It seems you have a fundamentally flawed perception of Jesus. To you, He’s just some "victorious warrior," a general of goodness who exists to
destroy evil—but that isn't the Truth. Jesus wasn't sent to fight; He was sent to teach the kind of love that produces peace, understanding, and goodness...

If Satan acts through the subconscious, then we aren't responsible for our own actions; it would mean Satan is merely acting through us. That isn't the Truth.
The responsibility for both our conscious and unconscious actions rests entirely with us.
If you kill someone during a momentary lapse of sanity—a state where you aren't even aware of your own movements—is it Satan within you who did it, or is it you?

1. God hasn't passed any judgment. God isn't a judge.
2. God didn't create "hell"—God cast Satan out to Earth, and that "casting out" wasn't an act of force, but one of profound sorrow, much like a father having to watch his son, a thief and a murderer, being led away to prison... because God would much rather that Lucifer had never sinned against Him.
Every other version of the story where God and Satan are angry enemies is just the result of Satan's own teachings, which have corrupted most religions. Satan hates God and wants to portray Him to all of us as vindictive and vain, lying to us by claiming that God fights against Satan.
Satan is clever; if he can convince us that God is vengeful, warlike, and intolerant of sinners, people will begin to fear God (which is exactly how they view Him). And fear is Satan's weapon... because how can you truly love someone you are afraid of?

He was merciful enough to forgive all our transgressions. He wiped away the debt that stood against us—the one that, by law, should have been our undoing—and effectively canceled it. He didn't just dismiss it; He nailed that entire record of our failings right to the cross. They have stripped away the facade of supremacy and authority, making it clear for all to see: he leads them in a triumphant procession.
Colossians 2:13-15

Here is the evidence regarding the ultimate victory. When you study the Bible, it becomes clear that Supremacies and Authorities are nothing more than spiritual realms belonging to dark forces.

Yes, that man committed murder with his own hands, but at that moment, he was merely an instrument used by an evil spirit. He was acting under the influence of a mind that simply could not defend itself against such a force because he lacked the Holy Spirit. I am writing all of this so that you might understand that without Him, you stand absolutely no chance—none at all. The devil is cunning, and as a spiritual entity, he is incredibly ancient and experienced, but thanks be to God, we have been given the weapons necessary to stand against him.
As Christians, we function as the extended hands of Jesus, provided we possess the Holy Spirit through baptism. Ultimately, you are either serving God or serving Satan; the only variable is whether you are consciously aware of which side you have chosen.

Fear is nothing more than one of Satan's primary weapons used against us. This is precisely why God offers unconditional forgiveness for all our transgressions; Jesus paid the full price for our sins upon the cross. Because of His sacrifice, we are granted mercy every single time we stumble—whether those mistakes are made consciously or unconsciously—provided our hearts remain truly committed to staying with Him.
David Morales David Morales Member
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#57 ·
Kudos to you; it's clear there’s been some kind of spiritual shift happening on your end. I still maintain, though, that the true measure of any religion or spirituality—whether it's genuine or just from Satan—is the actual change it produces within a person. It really comes down to one simple question: after all the initiations and meditation, has the person actually become better? Are they more capable of showing love to themselves and others, or are they just the same as before? In some cases, unfortunately, they might even be worse...
mistygull16 mistygull16 Active Member
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#58 ·
shadownomad4 said:You are absolutely correct!
There is one crucial point you overlooked: if those of us who possess certain insights into the Truth fail to convey them—whether through media or by witnessing through our own lives—then others will never gain insight into the Truth, and the Holy Spirit will have no medium through which to work in their lives.
God looks upon and sees a people thirsty for the Truth, and the Holy Spirit comes with His presence into the life of such a person.
I have personally experienced this many times when witnessing the Truth face-to-face; people have undergone various forms of mercy and true liberation.
Therefore, let us write and speak the Word, for it is the only thing that penetrates where nothing else can or will. After all, it was that very same Word that created the world; surely it can do anything else.🙂

Look, shadownomad4, I think you're a good guy and I believe Jesus loves you, but honestly? What you're saying feels pretty naive, almost like something out of a kid's book. It's not like Jesus or Satan are comic book villains where we're just waiting to see which hero wins the fight. That's not how you read the Bible; it doesn't line up with science or even just basic common sense. We know dinosaurs existed, we know about evolution... the idea that everything popped into existence overnight from Adam and Eve is more of a metaphor. Reading things that way just breeds fear and makes people hate other religions. It ends up making God look like some kind of tyrant, which is exactly what you're preaching. But God is love. He isn't out to torture anyone for eternity. Take it easy!
shadownomad4 shadownomad4 Active Member
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mistygull16 said:Look, shadownomad4, I think you're a good guy and I believe Jesus loves you, but honestly? What you're saying feels pretty naive, almost like something out of a kid's book. It's not like Jesus or Satan are comic book villains where we're just waiting to see which hero wins the fight. That's not how you read the Bible; it doesn't line up with science or even just basic common sense. We know dinosaurs existed, we know about evolution... the idea that everything popped into existence overnight from Adam and Eve is more of a metaphor. Reading things that way just breeds fear and makes people hate other religions. It ends up making God look like some kind of tyrant, which is exactly what you're preaching. But God is love. He isn't out to torture anyone for eternity. Take it easy!

That sense of comfort is fleeting, and soon enough, you will find yourself haunted again by the question: "What about eternity? What becomes of me?" I speak from experience, having walked that exact path myself before finally finding peace. The Truth can be bitter when a person first encounters it, primarily because we have integrated so many falsehoods into our identities just to keep moving forward. The fear of losing those comforts, coupled with the resentment felt toward those who misled us with faulty teachings, keeps us from the light. Fortunately, Jesus grants us the power to forgive everyone—including those people—because they weren't acting out of malice, but rather out of the profound ignorance that currently dominates the world. As it says in Hosea 4:6, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge."
However, once a person places their trust in Jesus, surrenders their life to Him, and casts aside everything that conflicts with His word, they achieve a level of freedom and joy unlike anything else. This isn't some flight of fancy; it is a living reality within you, a conviction that no one can strip away. That is why Jesus is the ONLY WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE; anything else is simply incomplete.

What you perceive as totalitarianism is actually a reflection of the fullness I feel within my own soul, not fanaticism. I truly hope that one day you will realize this, and only then will you understand me. If you seek the Truth with a sincere heart, Jesus will enter your life to guide you, just as He has done for all of us.🙂
Kimberly Evans Kimberly Evans Member
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shadownomad4 said:He was merciful enough to forgive all our transgressions. He wiped away the debt that stood against us—the one that, by law, should have been our undoing—and effectively canceled it. He didn't just dismiss it; He nailed that entire record of our failings right to the cross. They have stripped away the facade of supremacy and authority, making it clear for all to see: he leads them in a triumphant procession.
Colossians 2:13-15

Here is the evidence regarding the ultimate victory. When you study the Bible, it becomes clear that Supremacies and Authorities are nothing more than spiritual realms belonging to dark forces.

Yes, that man committed murder with his own hands, but at that moment, he was merely an instrument used by an evil spirit. He was acting under the influence of a mind that simply could not defend itself against such a force because he lacked the Holy Spirit. I am writing all of this so that you might understand that without Him, you stand absolutely no chance—none at all. The devil is cunning, and as a spiritual entity, he is incredibly ancient and experienced, but thanks be to God, we have been given the weapons necessary to stand against him.
As Christians, we function as the extended hands of Jesus, provided we possess the Holy Spirit through baptism. Ultimately, you are either serving God or serving Satan; the only variable is whether you are consciously aware of which side you have chosen.

Fear is nothing more than one of Satan's primary weapons used against us. This is precisely why God offers unconditional forgiveness for all our transgressions; Jesus paid the full price for our sins upon the cross. Because of His sacrifice, we are granted mercy every single time we stumble—whether those mistakes are made consciously or unconsciously—provided our hearts remain truly committed to staying with Him.

shadownomad4, I’m having a hard time following your take on the teachings and spirituality of Joshua Messiah. Could you walk me through what you actually mean by "the desire to remain with Him"? Does anything specific happen when that desire is present?
Well, surely you realize that desire alone isn't enough. It’s also about the quality of that desire. Most importantly, and most vitally for salvation, is the act of following the Messiah's commands—which means guarding the Word. In plain terms, it means making a serious, heartfelt effort to stop sinning.
The idea of "unconditional forgiveness" as you've described it can actually be challenged by quite a few of Joshua Messiah's own words.
(Yes—If anyone sins, we have an advocate with the Father,
but—Go, and sin no more,
and—Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.)

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