New Age spirituality: Can it actually save the planet?

coastalorca7 said:The terms "mission" and "visionary" strike me as sounding like some sort of self-appointed, high-octane catalysts—like a Savior or Spider-Man.
Either way, living with a sense of enthusiasm is always worth it.
To my mind, I save the planet by saving myself first. And I don't mean that in a purely selfish way—I don't mean blindly chasing nothing but my own interests and needs.

Every individual carries their own mission. In a sense, that is why we are here on this earth. These missions vary wildly and are deeply personal, though many people find common ground in similar pursuits and join forces toward shared goals. One person's mission might be the grand task of saving the world (one need only look at the stories surrounding Jesus's or Muhammad's missions...), while another's might be something far more grounded, such as raising children in a preschool or crafting pottery in a studio...

A vision is simply the tool we use to achieve those missions and life goals. Individuals, organizations, corporations, or even entire nations can share a unified vision and work toward it. Nowadays, it has become quite trendy for companies to draft and publicly declare their mission and vision statements (you can easily find these online for most major American corporations).

I originally opened this thread with the hope of fostering a vision of peace and prosperity for all of humanity.

And what exactly is this concept of the "oneness of all"?

placidjackal36 said:And what exactly is this concept of the "oneness of all"?

My opening post, the core philosophy: We are all one..

gentlemaker6 said:My opening post, the core philosophy: We are all one..

So, we’re all just the same species, right? Is that really where we're going with this? It feels like one of those deep, late-night philosophical debates you have when you've had one too many beers at a dive bar in Chicago, trying to make sense of why everything feels so chaotic. We share the same DNA, sure, but if you look at how people actually act, it’s hard to argue that we’re all cut from the same cloth. One guy thinks he’s an absolute genius because he can code a basic app, while someone else is out there just trying to figure out how to pay their rent in Austin. We might be biologically identical, but the way we navigate the world—the sheer randomness of our personalities and choices—makes us feel worlds apart. It’s like comparing a high-performance Tesla to a rusted-out Ford; under the hood, they both run on combustion or electricity, but the experience of driving them couldn't be more different. So, yeah, technically we're all the same kind of creature, but honestly, that's a pretty massive oversimplification.

placidjackal36 said:So, we’re all just the same species, right? Is that really where we're going with this? It feels like one of those deep, late-night philosophical debates you have when you've had one too many beers at a dive bar in Chicago, trying to make sense of why everything feels so chaotic. We share the same DNA, sure, but if you look at how people actually act, it’s hard to argue that we’re all cut from the same cloth. One guy thinks he’s an absolute genius because he can code a basic app, while someone else is out there just trying to figure out how to pay their rent in Austin. We might be biologically identical, but the way we navigate the world—the sheer randomness of our personalities and choices—makes us feel worlds apart. It’s like comparing a high-performance Tesla to a rusted-out Ford; under the hood, they both run on combustion or electricity, but the experience of driving them couldn't be more different. So, yeah, technically we're all the same kind of creature, but honestly, that's a pretty massive oversimplification.

No, rather:

gentlemaker6 said:I believe it is unnecessary to dwell on the current state of our world; the facts speak for themselves. Every person should be deeply concerned about what lies ahead. The most unsettling part is the lack of a visible exit strategy. To put it bluntly, if we persist on this trajectory, some madman will eventually press the wrong buttons, and it will all come to a very sudden end.

We face a choice, both as a species and as individuals: do we pivot away from this chaos, or do we continue down a path defined by deepening divisions, escalating wars, and total devastation? Regardless of which way we turn, we possess both the strength and the resources required to make it happen.

It is my conviction that this downward spiral can only be reversed through a new kind of spirituality—a fundamental shift in how we relate to God, to ourselves, and to those around us. We can achieve this by establishing a single, concise foundation for our existence:

We are all one.

It is brief, simple, and profoundly true. It suggests that God, our Creator, is not separate from His creation, but rather permeates it entirely. He is the very fabric of every atom and the smallest particle in the physical universe, simultaneously breathing His spirit and life into everything. Because of this, He resides within each of us, is each of us, and is everything surrounding us. This makes us fundamentally identical, as we are crafted from the same essence. It makes us one, because everything that exists is Him, expressed through infinite forms.

As Jesus taught, when we do unto others as we would have them do unto us, we are actually doing it to ourselves, for we are not separate from our neighbors. When we act upon ourselves, we act upon everyone else. By bringing joy to others, we bring joy to ourselves; by helping others, we help ourselves; by insulting others, we insult ourselves; by slandering others, we soil our own reputation; by belittling others, we diminish ourselves; and by loving others, we love ourselves. And by loving ourselves, we love others...

The list of opponents to this idea is exhaustive. Organized religions are first in line, followed closely by atheists. That alone covers nearly the entire human population.

Nevertheless, there are those who grasp this truth and work to spread it. There are spiritual people living this reality and leading by example. A movement is forming, a process unfolding across this planet. It is currently in its infancy, but it is backed by the power of Truth and the force of Love.

I have initiated several threads regarding religion and spirituality, all of which have been intended to lead back to this singular point. I invite everyone to participate.

Can we save our beautiful planet and transform it into a place truly worthy of habitation? Can we transcend our personal, social, and religious limitations to ignite a process of peace, unity, and genuine prosperity? What steps must we take to succeed? Are you willing to join this movement? Do you have a mission? Do you have a vision?

Yesterday I found myself watching Spades again, and man, it’s such a bloodbath... even though the whole thing focuses on the intense suffering of the Christian Messiah, I can't help but get hit hard by the realization of just how much people are capable of doing to one another. 😢 And honestly, it all stems from such petty impulses, just pure fear. It's this fear they nurture deep inside themselves, and once it takes over—it transforms into this horrific inhumanity, a kind of evil that exists only for its own sake, a mass hysteria fueled by a collective amnesia about our own nature, born out of this panicked sense of isolation, loneliness, and being completely disconnected from everyone and everything else around us. 😢

Yet it really doesn't take much at all—just Love—to actually feel connected, protected, whole, and truly happy... as human beings.

gentlemaker6 said:No, rather:

So, just because I’m made of the same energized particles as Karr, does that mean we’re somehow one entity or that there’s some profound, special connection there?

I don't see it.

rustymaker5 said:Yesterday I found myself watching Spades again, and man, it’s such a bloodbath... even though the whole thing focuses on the intense suffering of the Christian Messiah, I can't help but get hit hard by the realization of just how much people are capable of doing to one another. 😢 And honestly, it all stems from such petty impulses, just pure fear. It's this fear they nurture deep inside themselves, and once it takes over—it transforms into this horrific inhumanity, a kind of evil that exists only for its own sake, a mass hysteria fueled by a collective amnesia about our own nature, born out of this panicked sense of isolation, loneliness, and being completely disconnected from everyone and everything else around us. 😢

Yet it really doesn't take much at all—just Love—to actually feel connected, protected, whole, and truly happy... as human beings.

Honestly, that's just crazy Gibson and a lot of red paint. The guy lost his mind but thinks he's on the "right path," so he enthusiastically drags everyone else along with him.

He's following the same rabbit hole as Tom Cruise and that Scientology madness. The whole thing just went off the rails. Too much money, too much free time, and now they're just bored and acting out.

placidjackal36 said:So, just because I’m made of the same energized particles as Karr, does that mean we’re somehow one entity or that there’s some profound, special connection there?

I don't see it.

Honestly, that's just crazy Gibson and a lot of red paint. The guy lost his mind but thinks he's on the "right path," so he enthusiastically drags everyone else along with him.

He's following the same rabbit hole as Tom Cruise and that Scientology madness. The whole thing just went off the rails. Too much money, too much free time, and now they're just bored and acting out.

I’d throw in a bit of Mercer for good measure.😂

Just kidding, obviously.

But seriously, yes—it means we are one. And that realization is incredibly significant. If those men truly understood that, they never would have committed their atrocities. No one would kill themselves by killing someone else. If we are truly one, then everything we inflict on others, we inflict on ourselves. Everything we do for ourselves, we do for others.

One day, this awareness will fundamentally transform our world. 😁

gentlemaker6 said:I’d throw in a bit of Mercer for good measure.😂

Just kidding, obviously.

But seriously, yes—it means we are one. And that realization is incredibly significant. If those men truly understood that, they never would have committed their atrocities. No one would kill themselves by killing someone else. If we are truly one, then everything we inflict on others, we inflict on ourselves. Everything we do for ourselves, we do for others.

One day, this awareness will fundamentally transform our world. 😁

But I’m not "in" Karr, nor is he "in" me. He’s just made of the same particles I am. I don't see why that makes anything special.

It’s almost as if it’s perfectly normal that Mercer is composed of tin-based compounds, Maddox is niobium-based, and Karr is carbon-based, and then—BINGO!—we’re special, we’re interconnected! 👋

I honestly don't get it. As individuals, we aren't defined by our constituent particles (since we all share the same ones), but by how they are arranged. And Karr has a different arrangement than mine—one where he enjoys murdering Mexicans. 🤷

If I’m eating a cookie right now, Karr isn't eating it too. We aren't connected.
You can't build global human cooperation based on the fact that we're all carbon-based, or that we all contain ribosomes. Even sand contains ribosomes. And it's made of carbon, too.

So, I really doubt this is ever going to change the world. Most people already know they are carbon-based. If they haven't learned it from a textbook, they’ve certainly learned it through the experience of a nasty burn.

placidjackal36 said:But I’m not "in" Karr, nor is he "in" me. He’s just made of the same particles I am. I don't see why that makes anything special.

It’s almost as if it’s perfectly normal that Mercer is composed of tin-based compounds, Maddox is niobium-based, and Karr is carbon-based, and then—BINGO!—we’re special, we’re interconnected! 👋

I honestly don't get it. As individuals, we aren't defined by our constituent particles (since we all share the same ones), but by how they are arranged. And Karr has a different arrangement than mine—one where he enjoys murdering Mexicans. 🤷

If I’m eating a cookie right now, Karr isn't eating it too. We aren't connected.
You can't build global human cooperation based on the fact that we're all carbon-based, or that we all contain ribosomes. Even sand contains ribosomes. And it's made of carbon, too.

So, I really doubt this is ever going to change the world. Most people already know they are carbon-based. If they haven't learned it from a textbook, they’ve certainly learned it through the experience of a nasty burn.

This has nothing to do with chemistry. It is entirely about the spirit—the life within us. The life that actually constitutes who we are. That life exists in me, in you, and in everyone else. That life is one.

When you strip away all the chemistry and all the particles to their absolute essence, they are identical. They are God's energy, the love that serves as the foundation for all creation.

Here you go again, spinning fairy tales out of thin air. It’s impossible to have a rational conversation with you when you just keep moving the goalposts and changing the variables whenever it suits your argument.
Look, I ask you a straightforward question, and somehow you still manage to lose the plot.

Richard Walker79 said:I'll say it again: you are looking for blame in all the wrong places. Most people don't even have basic human rights. How can you expect an average citizen to take action when the government and the ultra-wealthy are already dictating their thoughts and actions? You're living in a total illusion.

Take it up with the billionaires and their buddies in power. They are the ones polluting and wrecking the planet. You capitalist imperialists will destroy not just the environment, but the very people who live in harmony with it, all for a tiny bit of profit.

Try reading some uncensored history books—they are the best teachers in life. Just look at how the Native Americans, the pagans, and others who lived in tune with nature ended up.

There isn't much you can do here, my friend. Save one tree, and they'll just go ahead and clear-cut the entire forest. Look at our polluted rivers, lakes, seas, and oceans!
To truly grasp these issues, you need a much deeper perspective. Right now, you simply lack that insight and wisdom.

In short, only those actually in charge have the power to be a Savior—to stop the destruction and the pollution.

Like the Illuminati are just gonna stop being evil on a whim, so I guess we gotta tear the whole system down...
maybe shouldn't have said that out loud—now I'm low-key getting paranoid

placidjackal36 said:Here you go again, spinning fairy tales out of thin air. It’s impossible to have a rational conversation with you when you just keep moving the goalposts and changing the variables whenever it suits your argument.
Look, I ask you a straightforward question, and somehow you still manage to lose the plot.

I am not rambling about fantasies, nor have I lost my way.

I fear the confusion lies with you; you seem obsessed with reducing every statement to mere chemistry and physics. Please understand that science does not yet hold all the answers. Until it does, your behavior on this forum is nothing more than harassment—driven by your negativity and a compulsive need to debunk my points or anyone else's. If you truly consider yourself a scientist, you are essentially working just to validate my claims.

I stated quite clearly that this isn't about chemistry, but about life itself. Look in a mirror or out your window; life is teeming everywhere in countless forms. Many haven't even been discovered yet. What binds them all together? Life itself, manifesting in various ways. Within your narrow view, you obsessively study the chemical makeup of every organism, failing to realize that neither chemistry nor physics creates life. Without spirit, without a soul to drive and shape it, there is no life as we know it.

What I am describing—this shift in consciousness and the realization that we are all one—will come through understanding that the One who grants us life is singular. We are one because of that connection, not because of carbon atoms, tin, niobium, ribosomes, or any other material element.

As an atheist, your fundamental settings are flawed because you don't believe in God. Consequently, your efforts aren't aimed at understanding my perspective, but rather at dismantling it. Your stance is predictable: you only believe what can be scientifically proven, yet you live surrounded by phenomena that science has yet to grasp. I am telling you, you will have to change your paradigm if you ever wish to truly see. To truly see, one must first believe. That applies to everything in life, not just religion.

I kindly ask that you cease these negative posts. Spare me the demands for evidence and the constant references to chemistry and physics. If I were to walk onto a forum where you were the moderator and behaved toward you the way you do to me here, I would be giving you a free pass to react however you liked. On this platform, we should maintain a positive tone.

gentlemaker6 said:I am not rambling about fantasies, nor have I lost my way.

I fear the confusion lies with you; you seem obsessed with reducing every statement to mere chemistry and physics. Please understand that science does not yet hold all the answers. Until it does, your behavior on this forum is nothing more than harassment—driven by your negativity and a compulsive need to debunk my points or anyone else's. If you truly consider yourself a scientist, you are essentially working just to validate my claims.

I stated quite clearly that this isn't about chemistry, but about life itself. Look in a mirror or out your window; life is teeming everywhere in countless forms. Many haven't even been discovered yet. What binds them all together? Life itself, manifesting in various ways. Within your narrow view, you obsessively study the chemical makeup of every organism, failing to realize that neither chemistry nor physics creates life. Without spirit, without a soul to drive and shape it, there is no life as we know it.

What I am describing—this shift in consciousness and the realization that we are all one—will come through understanding that the One who grants us life is singular. We are one because of that connection, not because of carbon atoms, tin, niobium, ribosomes, or any other material element.

As an atheist, your fundamental settings are flawed because you don't believe in God. Consequently, your efforts aren't aimed at understanding my perspective, but rather at dismantling it. Your stance is predictable: you only believe what can be scientifically proven, yet you live surrounded by phenomena that science has yet to grasp. I am telling you, you will have to change your paradigm if you ever wish to truly see. To truly see, one must first believe. That applies to everything in life, not just religion.

I kindly ask that you cease these negative posts. Spare me the demands for evidence and the constant references to chemistry and physics. If I were to walk onto a forum where you were the moderator and behaved toward you the way you do to me here, I would be giving you a free pass to react however you liked. On this platform, we should maintain a positive tone.

Look out that same window and you will see that death is ever-present. Every single life form eventually ends, or survives by ending another. Death is the true universal constant that binds us all together. Does that necessarily mean we are obligated to celebrate Death?

Ryan Wilson2 said:Look out that same window and you will see that death is ever-present. Every single life form eventually ends, or survives by ending another. Death is the true universal constant that binds us all together. Does that necessarily mean we are obligated to celebrate Death?

Death doesn't actually exist. It is merely a shift in form—a rebirth on the other side. Life is defined by constant change, so it follows that change is what truly binds us together. We can certainly choose to celebrate change. Life never truly terminates; it simply evolves. 😁

placidjackal36 said:Look, it’s simple math. If you actually want to see a profit, you have to move the product. Just piling inventory up in some warehouse isn't going to help anyone—least of all the guy who spent all that money filling the shelves in the first place. If there's no demand for what you're holding, you aren't selling it, and if you aren't selling it, you aren't making a dime. It’s just dead weight.
Look, it’s pretty simple: it just has to happen. No company is out there intentionally pumping out junk just to pollute the environment. That would be incredibly expensive and completely irrational from a business standpoint. It doesn't make sense.
Look, it’s pretty simple: raw material consumption is skyrocketing because we’re a bigger population and, frankly, we’ve become a lot more demanding. It isn't just about the fact that there are more of us out here consuming stuff; it's also about the sheer scale of what we expect from our gear. We aren't just looking for basic tools anymore—we're chasing constant technological breakthroughs. That relentless drive for the next big thing in tech is what's really pushing the demand through the roof.

The whole point of being in balance is that you don't just breed like crazy without thinking about it; you live in a way that stays in sync with nature. It’s about not overextending yourself beyond what the environment can actually sustain.

We moved past that ages ago. There’s no going back now—unless some plague or an asteroid, a comet, or even the Sun itself decides to thin our numbers out first.
Some people actually go as far as advocating for violence against certain groups of folks. Honestly? I’m with them. I say let everyone pushing that kind of rhetoric pack their bags and head out to some remote Pacific island where they can tear each other apart in peace. It would solve two problems at once: we wouldn't have to listen to their mindless nonsense anymore, and frankly, the planet would be a little bit better off for it.

The real headache isn't actually that complicated if you look at it clearly. The biggest issue we’re facing is the massive amount of resources being poured into factories that churn out absolute junk—stuff nobody actually needs and half of which is low-quality garbage. Then you've got the whole automotive sector driving up the mess. Honestly, once you address those two sectors, everything else becomes easy to fix. It's just basic math.

Spot on. If they actually managed to phase out cash, they’d probably manage to cut down on the sheer amount of nonsense being produced too. Though, honestly? I don't think it would be enough. There are just too many of us, and some people are still out here starving. It’d be a whole different story if everyone actually had enough to eat and a decent place to stay warm, too...

A parasite is a destroyer—not just of its host, but eventually, it ends up destroying itself too. It’s a cycle that always catches up to them.

Parasites don't necessarily just destroy themselves. It’s rarely that simple. 😕
It’s pretty simple, really. Whether it's a piece of iron or some microscopic pathogen, they’re going to consume resources until there’s nothing left, and then they just die off. It's basic biology. You see it with an elephant, a gazelle, or a cheetah—they live, they eat, they exhaust their environment, and that's the end of the line. Humans are different, though. We’re the only ones with brains developed enough to actually realize we're messing with our own surroundings. Once we catch on, we try to pivot. We look for alternatives or find ways to cut back on consumption because, let's face it, we aren't quite that stupid.

That’s precisely the point—parasites live like there is no tomorrow, operating under a "burn it all down" mentality. Native Americans, at least, lived with their descendants in mind; they respected nature and took only what was necessary, as history shows us. That’s why they were wiped out, along with other civilizations that actually lived in harmony with the land. Our own history, especially lately, just proves how destructive and oblivious we can be.

We may not be foolish, but we are certainly crazy if we're willing to wreck the entire planet—and ourselves in the process—just for the sake of some colorful scraps of paper.
budo is right: there is no good or evil, there is only awareness versus ignorance.
We lack wisdom, which is why gentlemaker6 is writing in vain here; you can't pass on mystical insights through an online forum.

I honestly find myself looking forward to the collapse of this modern, destructive civilization that convinced us that luxury is the only way to live. I just wonder what most people are feeling under all that stress and discontentment. Subconsciously, they know we're living unnaturally—racing around in a high-speed, high-stress frenzy just to achieve things.

As the Native Americans used to say: we will return.🙂

Ryan Wilson2 said:Look out that same window and you will see that death is ever-present. Every single life form eventually ends, or survives by ending another. Death is the true universal constant that binds us all together. Does that necessarily mean we are obligated to celebrate Death?

Even in the deepest, pitch-black darkness, you can still find a way out. You just have to remember to flip the light switch.

gentlemaker6 said:I’d throw in a bit of Mercer for good measure.😂

Just kidding, obviously.

But seriously, yes—it means we are one. And that realization is incredibly significant. If those men truly understood that, they never would have committed their atrocities. No one would kill themselves by killing someone else. If we are truly one, then everything we inflict on others, we inflict on ourselves. Everything we do for ourselves, we do for others.

One day, this awareness will fundamentally transform our world. 😁

Reading these words brings to mind Jesus' golden rule—that universal principle where he taught us to recognize ourselves in every single person we meet daily. If we could actually succeed—even for just a split second—in feeling ourselves within another, we wouldn't inflict on them in that same instant what we wouldn't want for ourselves. All human relationships should be governed by that ethical principle of reciprocity. The exact same standard I apply to myself is the one I must apply to everyone else.
But here’s the catch: if I am mentally ill and find satisfaction in physically destroying myself—say, through self-harm or cutting—then according to this logic, I should be doing that same thing to others because it "suits" me.
Does what works for me necessarily work for you?
One is (already) aware; they are already saved, because it creates a domino effect. Once you experience that transformation (moving away from self-harm), you are saved.

coastalorca7 said:Reading these words brings to mind Jesus' golden rule—that universal principle where he taught us to recognize ourselves in every single person we meet daily. If we could actually succeed—even for just a split second—in feeling ourselves within another, we wouldn't inflict on them in that same instant what we wouldn't want for ourselves. All human relationships should be governed by that ethical principle of reciprocity. The exact same standard I apply to myself is the one I must apply to everyone else.
But here’s the catch: if I am mentally ill and find satisfaction in physically destroying myself—say, through self-harm or cutting—then according to this logic, I should be doing that same thing to others because it "suits" me.
Does what works for me necessarily work for you?
One is (already) aware; they are already saved, because it creates a domino effect. Once you experience that transformation (moving away from self-harm), you are saved.

Are you suggesting that because a tiny fraction of a percent of people are self-destructive or unwell, this entire principle becomes invalid? If so, that is a compelling argument. 🙄

gentlemaker6 said:I am not rambling about fantasies, nor have I lost my way.

I fear the confusion lies with you; you seem obsessed with reducing every statement to mere chemistry and physics. Please understand that science does not yet hold all the answers. Until it does, your behavior on this forum is nothing more than harassment—driven by your negativity and a compulsive need to debunk my points or anyone else's. If you truly consider yourself a scientist, you are essentially working just to validate my claims.

I stated quite clearly that this isn't about chemistry, but about life itself. Look in a mirror or out your window; life is teeming everywhere in countless forms. Many haven't even been discovered yet. What binds them all together? Life itself, manifesting in various ways. Within your narrow view, you obsessively study the chemical makeup of every organism, failing to realize that neither chemistry nor physics creates life. Without spirit, without a soul to drive and shape it, there is no life as we know it.

What I am describing—this shift in consciousness and the realization that we are all one—will come through understanding that the One who grants us life is singular. We are one because of that connection, not because of carbon atoms, tin, niobium, ribosomes, or any other material element.

As an atheist, your fundamental settings are flawed because you don't believe in God. Consequently, your efforts aren't aimed at understanding my perspective, but rather at dismantling it. Your stance is predictable: you only believe what can be scientifically proven, yet you live surrounded by phenomena that science has yet to grasp. I am telling you, you will have to change your paradigm if you ever wish to truly see. To truly see, one must first believe. That applies to everything in life, not just religion.

I kindly ask that you cease these negative posts. Spare me the demands for evidence and the constant references to chemistry and physics. If I were to walk onto a forum where you were the moderator and behaved toward you the way you do to me here, I would be giving you a free pass to react however you liked. On this platform, we should maintain a positive tone.

I’m not going to argue with you, because you clearly can't hold a conversation without drifting off into your own little fantasies.
1) I am not an atheist.
2) Life is driven by energy-rich chemical compounds— that isn't a belief, it's a fact.
3) I have zero interest in your dogmas.

That’s all I have to say. Since you labeled me an atheist (which I know is meant as an insult), I’d love to give you a piece of my mind, but I won't. I've been warned that I can't express personal opinions about others on this subforum. Everything has to be wrapped in velvet, polite and polished. It's a shame, really; it doesn't suit my personality at all—most of us back home are much more direct than that. I have enough social restraint to avoid blurting out every thought that crosses my mind, but I refuse to act hypocritical or spineless.

Ryan Wilson2 said:Look out that same window and you will see that death is ever-present. Every single life form eventually ends, or survives by ending another. Death is the true universal constant that binds us all together. Does that necessarily mean we are obligated to celebrate Death?

That’s a solid comparison. But he isn't going to get it because he's too intoxicated by his own slogans. His brain is just pumping out serotonin while he repeats those shallow experiences of easy happiness he felt when he first started reading thicker books (and unfortunately, you know the type).

Richard Walker79 said:That’s precisely the point—parasites live like there is no tomorrow, operating under a "burn it all down" mentality. Native Americans, at least, lived with their descendants in mind; they respected nature and took only what was necessary, as history shows us. That’s why they were wiped out, along with other civilizations that actually lived in harmony with the land. Our own history, especially lately, just proves how destructive and oblivious we can be.

We may not be foolish, but we are certainly crazy if we're willing to wreck the entire planet—and ourselves in the process—just for the sake of some colorful scraps of paper.
budo is right: there is no good or evil, there is only awareness versus ignorance.
We lack wisdom, which is why gentlemaker6 is writing in vain here; you can't pass on mystical insights through an online forum.

I honestly find myself looking forward to the collapse of this modern, destructive civilization that convinced us that luxury is the only way to live. I just wonder what most people are feeling under all that stress and discontentment. Subconsciously, they know we're living unnaturally—racing around in a high-speed, high-stress frenzy just to achieve things.

As the Native Americans used to say: we will return.🙂

Yeah, he planned ahead. In fact, he was more "human" than the settlers who tore him apart. A cheetah doesn't plan. An elephant doesn't plan. A moth doesn't plan. They just eat until they're done.
I think what happened in North America just goes to show that parts of humanity haven't moved past those primitive, impulsive behaviors—behaviors that might be acceptable if they didn't constantly clash with someone else's right to live and be free.

We aren't stupid, but we are definitely crazy if we think we can destroy not just the planet, but ourselves in the process with nothing but colorful scraps of paper.
Budd was right; there is no good or evil, there is only awareness and ignorance.
We lack wisdom, which is why Simon33 is writing in vain here—mystical insights just don't transfer through internet forums.

I agree to a point, but you should never live under the delusion that you are fully aware. That mindset is exactly what landed us in this mess. You set a goal just within reach so that you're always moving toward it. Once people fall into the trap some folks here have, they stop striving altogether and just settle into a mental swamp.

I’m hoping for the collapse of this destructive modern civilization that convinced us that living in luxury is the pinnacle of existence. I just wonder what most people are feeling under all that stress and dissatisfaction. Subconsciously, they know we are living unnaturally—living at breakneck speeds, stressed out, racing just to achieve something or get somewhere.

Like the Native Americans used to say—we will return.🙂

What kind of collapse are you talking about?