New Age spirituality: Can it actually save the planet?

Jacob Jackson50 said:Hey placidjackal36, I really respect how committed you are to explaining life through a scientific lens. That said, there's plenty of stuff online that seems to trip up those scientific explanations. For instance, I came across info about people claiming to live off light—basically surviving on prana. I'd love to hear what you think about that.

What can I say? This is totally off-topic, and if I start dropping actual facts, half the people here will be at my throat, the mods will come after me for breathing wrong, and I'll end up getting flagged just because I refuse to swallow certain dogmas. It's a lose-lose situation where I'm basically asking for trouble.
But honestly, I don't really feel like dealing with that headache today. I'm actually enjoying being here. I'm learning.

gentlemaker6 said:The mention of ecology was simply part of answering a specific question.

What I am actually discussing is a new way of perceiving spirituality—the realization that we are all interconnected. If this understanding reaches the masses, it would fundamentally transform the state of our world almost overnight. That is the "action" I am proposing.

God is life itself and encompasses everything within it. Therefore, God has no needs, because God is and possesses everything imaginable. This means there is nothing we need to perform to satisfy some insatiable deity. There are no commandments, no labels, no sins, no punishments, and certainly no hellish nonsense. There is no separation. Consequently, our task is simply to look inward, toward the presence of God within ourselves, and tap into that.

God exists to serve us, not the other way around.

The root cause of our current global situation lies in organized religion and its doctrines regarding God and humanity. The solution lies in what I have described here. You’ve noticed positive shifts occurring, and they truly are happening—slowly but surely. I am not the architect of this idea; it is a concept gaining traction globally, and one day, it will become the foundation of how we live.

Yeah, the division and fragmentation—the way the Greeks, medieval science, and the Church taught it—is gone. We're tied to everything around us.
The way you wrote that, it kind of reminds me of a Jehovah's Witness
or maybe some prophet without any actual prophecies, since you say "GOD" way too much for my taste.
When you talk like that, when you say God, I think of myself, nature, the universe, and how everything is connected... if I
got that right?

That "we are all one" thing is old news. Tons of philosophers, psychologists, physicists... they said it ages ago. But hey, it's never too late to act on it.
So, when and how did you figure this out?

Come on, placidjackal36, no dogmas. Flip the script and give us... facts!

Facts are merely byproducts of thought, which means they never truly represent reality; they only exist within the mental framework that created them. There is a massive disconnect between this "conceptual" world of measurement, analysis, and dissection, and what actually exists. Consequently, treating facts as anything more significant than an imperialistic cosmology—complete with a creator at the apex, or any other model born from such fragmented thinking—is utterly futile.

Morgan Hernandez5 said:Yeah, the division and fragmentation—the way the Greeks, medieval science, and the Church taught it—is gone. We're tied to everything around us.
The way you wrote that, it kind of reminds me of a Jehovah's Witness
or maybe some prophet without any actual prophecies, since you say "GOD" way too much for my taste.
When you talk like that, when you say God, I think of myself, nature, the universe, and how everything is connected... if I
got that right?

That "we are all one" thing is old news. Tons of philosophers, psychologists, physicists... they said it ages ago. But hey, it's never too late to act on it.
So, when and how did you figure this out?

Come on, placidjackal36, no dogmas. Flip the script and give us... facts!

True separation never actually existed. It was merely a construct maintained in our minds, making it feel real in our daily lives.

It was said long ago, yet humanity has never truly grasped it or acted upon it collectively. As for why, the answer is simple: it doesn't suit those who have spent millennia keeping us in the dark.

Action has already begun. This is my small contribution.

The way you write reminds me of a Jehovah's Witness
or perhaps a prophet lacking a prophecy; for my taste, you use the word God far too often.

Years of light separate me from Jehovah's Witnesses. I am no prophet. God is mentioned here because this is a story about God. If I claim we are all one and that this oneness is God, then the narrative simply cannot function without Him. And more importantly, I don't see the necessity of omitting Him. If you are God and I am God, why run from that? Don't you think it's time we finally embraced our true identity?

When you say God, I think of myself, nature, the universe, and our interconnectedness... if I
understood you correctly?

Precisely.

And when did you discover this?

At some point along my spiritual journey, it simply became an undeniable truth. Now, I am merely striving to live it.

gentlemaker6 said:I believe it is unnecessary to dwell on the current state of our world; the facts speak for themselves. Every person should be deeply concerned about what lies ahead. The most unsettling part is the lack of a visible exit strategy. To put it bluntly, if we persist on this trajectory, some madman will eventually press the wrong buttons, and it will all come to a very sudden end.

We face a choice, both as a species and as individuals: do we pivot away from this chaos, or do we continue down a path defined by deepening divisions, escalating wars, and total devastation? Regardless of which way we turn, we possess both the strength and the resources required to make it happen.

It is my conviction that this downward spiral can only be reversed through a new kind of spirituality—a fundamental shift in how we relate to God, to ourselves, and to those around us. We can achieve this by establishing a single, concise foundation for our existence:

We are all one.

It is brief, simple, and profoundly true. It suggests that God, our Creator, is not separate from His creation, but rather permeates it entirely. He is the very fabric of every atom and the smallest particle in the physical universe, simultaneously breathing His spirit and life into everything. Because of this, He resides within each of us, is each of us, and is everything surrounding us. This makes us fundamentally identical, as we are crafted from the same essence. It makes us one, because everything that exists is Him, expressed through infinite forms.

As Jesus taught, when we do unto others as we would have them do unto us, we are actually doing it to ourselves, for we are not separate from our neighbors. When we act upon ourselves, we act upon everyone else. By bringing joy to others, we bring joy to ourselves; by helping others, we help ourselves; by insulting others, we insult ourselves; by slandering others, we soil our own reputation; by belittling others, we diminish ourselves; and by loving others, we love ourselves. And by loving ourselves, we love others...

The list of opponents to this idea is exhaustive. Organized religions are first in line, followed closely by atheists. That alone covers nearly the entire human population.

Nevertheless, there are those who grasp this truth and work to spread it. There are spiritual people living this reality and leading by example. A movement is forming, a process unfolding across this planet. It is currently in its infancy, but it is backed by the power of Truth and the force of Love.

I have initiated several threads regarding religion and spirituality, all of which have been intended to lead back to this singular point. I invite everyone to participate.

Can we save our beautiful planet and transform it into a place truly worthy of habitation? Can we transcend our personal, social, and religious limitations to ignite a process of peace, unity, and genuine prosperity? What steps must we take to succeed? Are you willing to join this movement? Do you have a mission? Do you have a vision?

gentlemaker6 said:I believe it is unnecessary to dwell on the current state of our world; the facts speak for themselves. Every person should be deeply concerned about what lies ahead. The most unsettling part is the lack of a visible exit strategy. To put it bluntly, if we persist on this trajectory, some madman will eventually press the wrong buttons, and it will all come to a very sudden end.

We face a choice, both as a species and as individuals: do we pivot away from this chaos, or do we continue down a path defined by deepening divisions, escalating wars, and total devastation? Regardless of which way we turn, we possess both the strength and the resources required to make it happen.

It is my conviction that this downward spiral can only be reversed through a new kind of spirituality—a fundamental shift in how we relate to God, to ourselves, and to those around us. We can achieve this by establishing a single, concise foundation for our existence:

We are all one.

It is brief, simple, and profoundly true. It suggests that God, our Creator, is not separate from His creation, but rather permeates it entirely. He is the very fabric of every atom and the smallest particle in the physical universe, simultaneously breathing His spirit and life into everything. Because of this, He resides within each of us, is each of us, and is everything surrounding us. This makes us fundamentally identical, as we are crafted from the same essence. It makes us one, because everything that exists is Him, expressed through infinite forms.

As Jesus taught, when we do unto others as we would have them do unto us, we are actually doing it to ourselves, for we are not separate from our neighbors. When we act upon ourselves, we act upon everyone else. By bringing joy to others, we bring joy to ourselves; by helping others, we help ourselves; by insulting others, we insult ourselves; by slandering others, we soil our own reputation; by belittling others, we diminish ourselves; and by loving others, we love ourselves. And by loving ourselves, we love others...

The list of opponents to this idea is exhaustive. Organized religions are first in line, followed closely by atheists. That alone covers nearly the entire human population.

Nevertheless, there are those who grasp this truth and work to spread it. There are spiritual people living this reality and leading by example. A movement is forming, a process unfolding across this planet. It is currently in its infancy, but it is backed by the power of Truth and the force of Love.

I have initiated several threads regarding religion and spirituality, all of which have been intended to lead back to this singular point. I invite everyone to participate.

Can we save our beautiful planet and transform it into a place truly worthy of habitation? Can we transcend our personal, social, and religious limitations to ignite a process of peace, unity, and genuine prosperity? What steps must we take to succeed? Are you willing to join this movement? Do you have a mission? Do you have a vision?

If you connect those first two points, the logical conclusion is that the actions of both religious believers and atheists are simply different ways that God expresses Himself.
That He acts through them as well.

By extension, you're essentially suggesting that one specific way of divine expression is superior to another, and therefore the other should be wiped out.

gentlemaker6 said:I believe it is unnecessary to dwell on the current state of our world; the facts speak for themselves. Every person should be deeply concerned about what lies ahead. The most unsettling part is the lack of a visible exit strategy. To put it bluntly, if we persist on this trajectory, some madman will eventually press the wrong buttons, and it will all come to a very sudden end.

We face a choice, both as a species and as individuals: do we pivot away from this chaos, or do we continue down a path defined by deepening divisions, escalating wars, and total devastation? Regardless of which way we turn, we possess both the strength and the resources required to make it happen.

It is my conviction that this downward spiral can only be reversed through a new kind of spirituality—a fundamental shift in how we relate to God, to ourselves, and to those around us. We can achieve this by establishing a single, concise foundation for our existence:

We are all one.

It is brief, simple, and profoundly true. It suggests that God, our Creator, is not separate from His creation, but rather permeates it entirely. He is the very fabric of every atom and the smallest particle in the physical universe, simultaneously breathing His spirit and life into everything. Because of this, He resides within each of us, is each of us, and is everything surrounding us. This makes us fundamentally identical, as we are crafted from the same essence. It makes us one, because everything that exists is Him, expressed through infinite forms.

As Jesus taught, when we do unto others as we would have them do unto us, we are actually doing it to ourselves, for we are not separate from our neighbors. When we act upon ourselves, we act upon everyone else. By bringing joy to others, we bring joy to ourselves; by helping others, we help ourselves; by insulting others, we insult ourselves; by slandering others, we soil our own reputation; by belittling others, we diminish ourselves; and by loving others, we love ourselves. And by loving ourselves, we love others...

The list of opponents to this idea is exhaustive. Organized religions are first in line, followed closely by atheists. That alone covers nearly the entire human population.

Nevertheless, there are those who grasp this truth and work to spread it. There are spiritual people living this reality and leading by example. A movement is forming, a process unfolding across this planet. It is currently in its infancy, but it is backed by the power of Truth and the force of Love.

I have initiated several threads regarding religion and spirituality, all of which have been intended to lead back to this singular point. I invite everyone to participate.

Can we save our beautiful planet and transform it into a place truly worthy of habitation? Can we transcend our personal, social, and religious limitations to ignite a process of peace, unity, and genuine prosperity? What steps must we take to succeed? Are you willing to join this movement? Do you have a mission? Do you have a vision?

All of these questions are flawed because they are framed in the plural.
Can *we* do something to protect the Earth?

I don't know if we can.

I do know that *I* can.

jademarlin26 said:We don't need to save the planet; we just need to leave it alone. This climate change everyone is screaming about is a natural cycle that happens periodically—we simply need to learn how to adapt to it.

What actually needs help is the individual who fails to realize they are an extension of their environment, and that the conflicts they witness externally are merely reflections of the divisions within themselves. No talk of God, no sacred texts, no spiritual rituals, and certainly no scientific breakthroughs can force you to feel that connection in your bones. On the contrary, forcing belief systems only serves to ensure that you see nothing and you hear nothing. And that is all that matters.

Yeah, spot on. Really well said. When I read that, I knew we were pretty much on the same page.

So, why do you think all those old civilizations just vanished? I guess there's a million reasons, maybe. People always want a simple answer, but it's probably just a mix of everything hitting them at once. Resources drying up, bad leadership, climate shifts... who knows. It’s messy.
I mean, if you ask me, those were nothing short of "natural disasters."
You can look at the Bible for the whole Great Flood thing, but there's also actual science to back it up. I mean, you’ve got those oceanographers out of France who found freshwater shells sitting right in the Black Sea... plus a bunch of other studies. Just saying.
I guess I'm telling you that the whole Atlantis thing—you know, the idea that it just vanished because of some massive geological shift—is actually legit. It’s right where they say it should be, near the Azores, sitting right over that huge rift on the Atlantic floor. Just a direct result of everything happening deep under the earth throughout history. Maybe.
The planet is still acting up big time. Looking at the data and measurements from the last thirty years, it’s pretty clear things are ramping up. There's more shaking happening, and the volcanic activity just keeps getting more intense... I guess we're seeing it happen in real time.



I guess, looking at the whole mess, I’d still give science a shot. Yeah, it’s all tangled up with religion, politics, and—let's be real—massive amounts of money, but it still helps us move forward and come up with actual ideas.
I guess I just see every kind of exclusion as totally pointless.
Nah, obviously logic and science aren't the only things that matter...
You're not wrong. Throughout all this long-ass history, some people actually managed to adapt because they figured out what you and I already know. That’s how they survived, I guess.

Helping people? Honestly, it feels like Sisyphus pushing that rock up the hill every single day. It’s just endless. Between how stuck people are in their old-school ways, pure human stupidity, and that desperate, selfish need to fit in... it’s a mess. Plus, most people seem to have zero brainpower beyond just seeing, touching, and hearing stuff. I guess it's just a losing battle.
To actually get how you write, you gotta have a high IQ and that ability to see the big picture—like, actual intuition. Not this fragmented, broken-up mess most people deal with. Honestly, that’s basically what humanity is right now: just a bunch of disconnected pieces.
Once I realized my circle was basically crawling with mediocrity—people who struggle to grasp even the small stuff—I decided it’d be straight-up insane to waste even a shred of energy trying to explain the big picture to them. I mean, whatever. Everyone’s got a right to their own opinion, I guess. We should probably respect what people think, even if their takes are totally delusional. Honestly, trying to talk sense into someone or drag them down from whatever cloud they're floating on just feels dishonest. Not worth it.
I’m pretty sure gentlemaker6, placidjackal36, you, and me are all actually on the same page—we just look at things from different angles. I guess that’s actually a good thing, though. Might help us see the full picture.
At the end of the day, none of us would even be hanging out in this thread if it weren't for this stuff. I guess.
People just lost their sense of empathy, I guess. Respect is basically dead at this point. And since most people seem to be lacking both intuition and basic intelligence, I don't even know if I can blame them. Maybe that's just how it is now.
that’s why I think the whole thing is just a total uphill battle.
I mean, personally, I don't think we should let it get us down. We can still work on ourselves, grow, and live out our own visions, I guess.

thanks in advance

Jerry Green59 said:If you connect those first two points, the logical conclusion is that the actions of both religious believers and atheists are simply different ways that God expresses Himself.
That He acts through them as well.

By extension, you're essentially suggesting that one specific way of divine expression is superior to another, and therefore the other should be wiped out.

All of these questions are flawed because they are framed in the plural.
Can *we* do something to protect the Earth?

I don't know if we can.

I do know that *I* can.

Everything in existence is a form of God's expression. However, God does not act through religions, atheists, or anyone else. If that were the case, free will wouldn't exist; everything would be scripted at the highest level, and the entire universe would lose its purpose. People would turn into robots—mere puppets on a string—and the joy of living would vanish. Believe me, God is capable of much better than that.

Through the principle of free will, every form of divine expression acts entirely independently, following its own principles and making its own decisions.

I am not claiming that one form of divine manifestation is better than another. I am simply saying that humanity would benefit immensely if we all moved together toward an era of peace and prosperity for everyone. I am convinced that is a far better path than the one we are currently walking.

all these questions are flawed because they are phrased in the plural.
Can we do something to protect the country?

I don't know if "we" can.

I know that *I* can.

The questions are plural because they are addressed to everyone. The answer, however, should be given in the singular.

gentlemaker6 said:The mention of ecology was simply part of answering a specific question.

What I am actually discussing is a new way of perceiving spirituality—the realization that we are all interconnected. If this understanding reaches the masses, it would fundamentally transform the state of our world almost overnight. That is the "action" I am proposing.

God is life itself and encompasses everything within it. Therefore, God has no needs, because God is and possesses everything imaginable. This means there is nothing we need to perform to satisfy some insatiable deity. There are no commandments, no labels, no sins, no punishments, and certainly no hellish nonsense. There is no separation. Consequently, our task is simply to look inward, toward the presence of God within ourselves, and tap into that.

God exists to serve us, not the other way around.

The root cause of our current global situation lies in organized religion and its doctrines regarding God and humanity. The solution lies in what I have described here. You’ve noticed positive shifts occurring, and they truly are happening—slowly but surely. I am not the architect of this idea; it is a concept gaining traction globally, and one day, it will become the foundation of how we live.

I don't follow this post. Because..
Spiritual growth doesn't happen collectively for everyone at once; it happens individually. If it did, it would be a total disregard for individual spiritual progress. That would be a violation of individuality.
Everyone matures within themselves, so it isn't simultaneous. Due to the sheer demand, it is impossible to deliver this realization to everyone at the same moment. It is impossible for everyone to inject it into their veins at the exact same second and change the world's image instantly.
Who is this insatiable God you are writing about?
Who is your God?
What does a person use? As far as I know, people use their reason or harness energy, etc. Use God? Who or what exactly are you calling God? Is God a balance between possessing and existing, between having and being?
Who is this God you describe? Can I also experience and call what I experience "God"? Are we using the same name for completely different things and experiences? I need to know this before I can even attempt to engage with you.
Perhaps what you experience and call God is, for me, the devil.
To know if you and I are actually talking about the same thing, I have to know: who or what is your God?
What is the actual state of the world?

Morgan Hernandez5 As follows:
Yes, in costume. Very well put. When I read that, I knew we were thinking along exactly the same lines.

The real question is how exactly things become "bone deep." Imagine if we were all raised from birth to believe that we are fundamentally one. To live knowing that every single person we encounter is just another version of ourselves—that everything we give or do is ultimately an act directed at our own soul. If that truth were ingrained in us, it would be part of our very marrow. It would be constant.

Since only a handful of people actually undergo the rigorous education, spiritual training, or deep philosophical study required to truly grasp these truths, those who feel them in their very marrow remain few. We have been conditioned for millennia to act otherwise; for most Americans, our "natural state" is exactly the opposite of what this realization requires.

We need to reverse the process.

Given all that, I would still give science its due. It’s certainly entangled with religion, politics, and—most of all—money, but it remains essential to our progress and the evolution of our ideas.
I find any form of exclusion to be entirely unnecessary.
Of course, intellect and science aren't the only things that matter. I remember my old professor at Yale used to say that logic alone can leave you quite lost.
You make a fair point. Throughout the long stretch of history, certain people have managed to adapt simply because they understood exactly what you and I know. That insight is precisely how they survived.

We have to account for everything. Only when we all commit to this can we finally reach the level of prosperity that humanity truly deserves. There is a silver lining here: we need to hit a critical mass—a specific percentage of people who realize we are all interconnected—before we see a global shift. I honestly have no idea what that exact number might be.

Helping others feels like a Sisyphus task to me, in the truest sense of the phrase. It’s an uphill battle against deeply ingrained traditional mindsets, sheer human stupidity, blatant selfishness, and that desperate need to belong. On top of all that, most people seem to lack any developed faculties beyond sight, touch, and hearing.
To truly grasp your writing style, one requires both a high IQ and the intuition to see the big picture—rather than focusing on fragmented details, much like the current state of most of humanity.
Once I realized how many mediocre people I was surrounded by—people who struggle to grasp even the simplest concepts—I decided it would be sheer madness to waste a single ounce of energy trying to explain the bigger picture to them. After all, everyone has the right to their own perspective. We should respect and honor those differing opinions, even when we can't find a shred of truth in them. Trying to force someone to see reality or pulling them down from their little cloud of delusion simply feels dishonest.
I am convinced that gentlemaker6, placidjackal36, you, and I actually share the same vision, even if we’re approaching it from different angles. It’s quite helpful, really; it allows us to piece together a much more complete picture.
Ultimately, none of us would even be gathered on this thread if it weren't for the circumstances.
Regrettably, people have lost their sense of empathy for others, and with it, basic respect has vanished. In the absence of intuition and intelligence, they often fail to grasp the situation entirely—though, in fairness, I can hardly blame them.
That is precisely why I believe we are merely chasing our tails.
I don't believe this should discourage us. We can still focus on self-improvement, continue our growth, and live in true alignment with our own visions.

Thanks in advance.

There is really only one step to take: you have to grasp the concept and actually live it. Once that happens, everything else falls into place naturally.

coastalorca7 said:I don't follow this post. Because..
Spiritual growth doesn't happen collectively for everyone at once; it happens individually. If it did, it would be a total disregard for individual spiritual progress. That would be a violation of individuality.
Everyone matures within themselves, so it isn't simultaneous. Due to the sheer demand, it is impossible to deliver this realization to everyone at the same moment. It is impossible for everyone to inject it into their veins at the exact same second and change the world's image instantly.
Who is this insatiable God you are writing about?
Who is your God?
What does a person use? As far as I know, people use their reason or harness energy, etc. Use God? Who or what exactly are you calling God? Is God a balance between possessing and existing, between having and being?
Who is this God you describe? Can I also experience and call what I experience "God"? Are we using the same name for completely different things and experiences? I need to know this before I can even attempt to engage with you.
Perhaps what you experience and call God is, for me, the devil.
To know if you and I are actually talking about the same thing, I have to know: who or what is your God?
What is the actual state of the world?

I only know one God—the Creator of heaven and earth—and that is whom I am speaking of.

gentlemaker6 said:

Morgan Hernandez5 As follows:
Yes, in costume. Very well put. When I read that, I knew we were thinking along exactly the same lines.

The real question is how exactly things become "bone deep." Imagine if we were all raised from birth to believe that we are fundamentally one. To live knowing that every single person we encounter is just another version of ourselves—that everything we give or do is ultimately an act directed at our own soul. If that truth were ingrained in us, it would be part of our very marrow. It would be constant.

Since only a handful of people actually undergo the rigorous education, spiritual training, or deep philosophical study required to truly grasp these truths, those who feel them in their very marrow remain few. We have been conditioned for millennia to act otherwise; for most Americans, our "natural state" is exactly the opposite of what this realization requires.

We need to reverse the process.

Given all that, I would still give science its due. It’s certainly entangled with religion, politics, and—most of all—money, but it remains essential to our progress and the evolution of our ideas.
I find any form of exclusion to be entirely unnecessary.
Of course, intellect and science aren't the only things that matter. I remember my old professor at Yale used to say that logic alone can leave you quite lost.
You make a fair point. Throughout the long stretch of history, certain people have managed to adapt simply because they understood exactly what you and I know. That insight is precisely how they survived.

We have to account for everything. Only when we all commit to this can we finally reach the level of prosperity that humanity truly deserves. There is a silver lining here: we need to hit a critical mass—a specific percentage of people who realize we are all interconnected—before we see a global shift. I honestly have no idea what that exact number might be.

Helping others feels like a Sisyphus task to me, in the truest sense of the phrase. It’s an uphill battle against deeply ingrained traditional mindsets, sheer human stupidity, blatant selfishness, and that desperate need to belong. On top of all that, most people seem to lack any developed faculties beyond sight, touch, and hearing.
To truly grasp your writing style, one requires both a high IQ and the intuition to see the big picture—rather than focusing on fragmented details, much like the current state of most of humanity.
Once I realized how many mediocre people I was surrounded by—people who struggle to grasp even the simplest concepts—I decided it would be sheer madness to waste a single ounce of energy trying to explain the bigger picture to them. After all, everyone has the right to their own perspective. We should respect and honor those differing opinions, even when we can't find a shred of truth in them. Trying to force someone to see reality or pulling them down from their little cloud of delusion simply feels dishonest.
I am convinced that gentlemaker6, placidjackal36, you, and I actually share the same vision, even if we’re approaching it from different angles. It’s quite helpful, really; it allows us to piece together a much more complete picture.
Ultimately, none of us would even be gathered on this thread if it weren't for the circumstances.
Regrettably, people have lost their sense of empathy for others, and with it, basic respect has vanished. In the absence of intuition and intelligence, they often fail to grasp the situation entirely—though, in fairness, I can hardly blame them.
That is precisely why I believe we are merely chasing our tails.
I don't believe this should discourage us. We can still focus on self-improvement, continue our growth, and live in true alignment with our own visions.

Thanks in advance.

There is really only one step to take: you have to grasp the concept and actually live it. Once that happens, everything else falls into place naturally.

well, what if we just realized it now? maybe that makes the realization even sweeter, or more valuable. makes us stronger.
talking about "thousands of years" being in our bones? hmm, interesting. where would our knowledge even be then?
man, imagine the power we'd have! we'd basically be gods. (Morgan Hernandez5 = goddess Gea)
but i don't think that kind of knowledge belongs to everyone.
just another reason why it feels like a Sisyphean task.
yeah, impossible mission. we're all one, sure, but we aren't equals.
i'm pretty sure there are people out there with that kind of insight.
change is already happening. we should make the most of it. though you still need a ton of knowledge, "big picture" stuff, and intuitive "wavelengths."

if you can, look up Jung's concept of "synchronicity"—it's a solid theory on feeling connected.

you say... that humanity *deserves* it..
big words.

p.s. gea. might have to change my avatar.

go ahead and do that, goddess 😉

Morgan Hernandez5 said:well, what if we just realized it now? maybe that makes the realization even sweeter, or more valuable. makes us stronger.
talking about "thousands of years" being in our bones? hmm, interesting. where would our knowledge even be then?
man, imagine the power we'd have! we'd basically be gods. (Morgan Hernandez5 = goddess Gea)
but i don't think that kind of knowledge belongs to everyone.
just another reason why it feels like a Sisyphean task.
yeah, impossible mission. we're all one, sure, but we aren't equals.
i'm pretty sure there are people out there with that kind of insight.
change is already happening. we should make the most of it. though you still need a ton of knowledge, "big picture" stuff, and intuitive "wavelengths."

if you can, look up Jung's concept of "synchronicity"—it's a solid theory on feeling connected.

you say... that humanity *deserves* it..
big words.

p.s. gea. might have to change my avatar.

I don't think you quite caught my drift.

Just my two cents here—physics does technically say the entire universe is interconnected. But that doesn't mean our brains can actually derive any practical benefit from it. For instance, if they set off a miniature atomic device in China, the energy released will eventually reach me, sure, but it’ll be so incredibly dissipated by the time it gets here that I won't be able to tell it apart from basic background noise.
The same thing happens if someone in New Zealand picks up a tiny pebble and drops it. First, they expend their own energy to bend down and lift the stone (energy pulled straight from the food they ate), and at that height, the pebble holds a few millijoules of potential energy. The second they let go, that energy scatters through air friction and finally through the impact with the floor. Those few millijoules just vanish, dissipating across the planet.
The wider it spreads, the weaker it gets. You aren't going to register the impact of a pebble hitting the ground a mile away, let alone all the way across America.
These are such infinitesimally small and indistinguishable values that they have zero impact. To put it visually, on a graph like this
http://fecal.org.mx/data/files/estadisticas/nulos.png" alt="image" loading="lazy" class="bb-img"> representing the change in energy received by a detector, those influences would just be invisible, microscopic bumps that you couldn't distinguish from the background static.
It’s like looking at a 3D model of a city and trying to read the location of a speck of dust from it. The parts of the graph are tens of meters high—buildings, skyscrapers—and you're trying to measure something 0.05 mm tall. Forget dust... we're talking about viruses.

And because of this fact—that everything affects everything else in a sort of deterministic chaos that is impossible to measure—some people build these grand ideas that we are "all one." It's not happening. It just makes no sense.
Just because my particles are being bombarded by thermal and radio waves that no imaginable device could ever isolate or distinguish, doesn't mean I am "one" with some Filipino guy halfway across the world having dinner right now.

gentlemaker6 said:Everything in existence is a form of God's expression. However, God does not act through religions, atheists, or anyone else. If that were the case, free will wouldn't exist; everything would be scripted at the highest level, and the entire universe would lose its purpose. People would turn into robots—mere puppets on a string—and the joy of living would vanish. Believe me, God is capable of much better than that.

Through the principle of free will, every form of divine expression acts entirely independently, following its own principles and making its own decisions.

I am not claiming that one form of divine manifestation is better than another. I am simply saying that humanity would benefit immensely if we all moved together toward an era of peace and prosperity for everyone. I am convinced that is a far better path than the one we are currently walking.

all these questions are flawed because they are phrased in the plural.
Can we do something to protect the country?

I don't know if "we" can.

I know that *I* can.

The questions are plural because they are addressed to everyone. The answer, however, should be given in the singular.

And why should I?
Did you have a private audience with God where He gave you a detailed briefing on how things actually stand?

(.. I’m a bit skeptical about gods who are defined by whatever our neighbors decide is right or wrong, or what constitutes "good" work..)

placidjackal36 said:Just my two cents here—physics does technically say the entire universe is interconnected. But that doesn't mean our brains can actually derive any practical benefit from it. For instance, if they set off a miniature atomic device in China, the energy released will eventually reach me, sure, but it’ll be so incredibly dissipated by the time it gets here that I won't be able to tell it apart from basic background noise.
The same thing happens if someone in New Zealand picks up a tiny pebble and drops it. First, they expend their own energy to bend down and lift the stone (energy pulled straight from the food they ate), and at that height, the pebble holds a few millijoules of potential energy. The second they let go, that energy scatters through air friction and finally through the impact with the floor. Those few millijoules just vanish, dissipating across the planet.
The wider it spreads, the weaker it gets. You aren't going to register the impact of a pebble hitting the ground a mile away, let alone all the way across America.
These are such infinitesimally small and indistinguishable values that they have zero impact. To put it visually, on a graph like this
http://fecal.org.mx/data/files/estadisticas/nulos.png" alt="image" loading="lazy" class="bb-img"> representing the change in energy received by a detector, those influences would just be invisible, microscopic bumps that you couldn't distinguish from the background static.
It’s like looking at a 3D model of a city and trying to read the location of a speck of dust from it. The parts of the graph are tens of meters high—buildings, skyscrapers—and you're trying to measure something 0.05 mm tall. Forget dust... we're talking about viruses.

And because of this fact—that everything affects everything else in a sort of deterministic chaos that is impossible to measure—some people build these grand ideas that we are "all one." It's not happening. It just makes no sense.
Just because my particles are being bombarded by thermal and radio waves that no imaginable device could ever isolate or distinguish, doesn't mean I am "one" with some Filipino guy halfway across the world having dinner right now.

A true New Age enthusiast will have their heart leap at a statement like yours, yet their brain will conveniently filter out everything else. In a few months, they’ll come crawling back claiming they were the ones who originally said the entire universe is connected, and they'll shamelessly hijack your evidence to support their own agenda.

That is simply how it works.

Ryan Wilson2 said:A true New Age enthusiast will have their heart leap at a statement like yours, yet their brain will conveniently filter out everything else. In a few months, they’ll come crawling back claiming they were the ones who originally said the entire universe is connected, and they'll shamelessly hijack your evidence to support their own agenda.

That is simply how it works.

Oh, if that were anyone else saying it... but it was placidjackal36, that "dogmatic scientific fossil" you aren't supposed to trust. 😉
Maybe the sheer hatred they have for me—and believe me, I know it exists, judging by the hate mail I get—will actually force them to read to the end, maybe giving their brains a much-needed workout. It might hit that 2%, 5%, or 10% margin of people who aren't complete idiots, though honestly, I wouldn't bet much on it. 😁

placidjackal36 said:Oh, if that were anyone else saying it... but it was placidjackal36, that "dogmatic scientific fossil" you aren't supposed to trust. 😉
Maybe the sheer hatred they have for me—and believe me, I know it exists, judging by the hate mail I get—will actually force them to read to the end, maybe giving their brains a much-needed workout. It might hit that 2%, 5%, or 10% margin of people who aren't complete idiots, though honestly, I wouldn't bet much on it. 😁

I don't think anyone hates you; they're probably just frustrated by how you handle things. Tell me, has anything ever happened in your life that you couldn't explain away with science, something that just didn't make sense to you?

placidjackal36 said:Oh, if that were anyone else saying it... but it was placidjackal36, that "dogmatic scientific fossil" you aren't supposed to trust. 😉
Maybe the sheer hatred they have for me—and believe me, I know it exists, judging by the hate mail I get—will actually force them to read to the end, maybe giving their brains a much-needed workout. It might hit that 2%, 5%, or 10% margin of people who aren't complete idiots, though honestly, I wouldn't bet much on it. 😁

Oh please, I understand exactly how their minds work. They’ll cling to the label of "dogmatic scientific dinosaur" as their primary weapon when they try to explain away universal connectivity, simply because, hey, you supposedly admitted to it yourself.

Ryan Wilson2 said:Oh please, I understand exactly how their minds work. They’ll cling to the label of "dogmatic scientific dinosaur" as their primary weapon when they try to explain away universal connectivity, simply because, hey, you supposedly admitted to it yourself.

Honestly, who cares how our little "man of science" thinks? He clearly doesn't get the subject matter anyway.
He acts like such a big shot over on the physics subforum where he's treated like some kind of genius, but over here, he's just struggling to keep up. I guess he still has a lot of lessons to learn and a fair amount of humbling to do before he can actually wrap his head around what we're talking about here.😉
Maybe he’s improved slightly, though; he isn't being quite as insulting or trashing everything that doesn't fit his specific scientific mold.
Anyway, he's making slow progress, I suppose.😍