New Age spirituality: Can it actually save the planet?

Jerry Green59 said:And why should I?
Did you have a private audience with God where He gave you a detailed briefing on how things actually stand?

(.. I’m a bit skeptical about gods who are defined by whatever our neighbors decide is right or wrong, or what constitutes "good" work..)

Of course not. Has He spoken to you?
Perhaps you ought to stand before a mirror and look deep into your own eyes. Or I could offer you someone else's perspective—say, the gaze of a child or perhaps an elderly man. Even looking into the eyes of your dog or cat might suffice. God is everywhere around you. If you refuse to see Him, then naturally, you won't.

Whether you believe or not is entirely your call. You have free will; make your choice.

placidjackal36 said:Just my two cents here—physics does technically say the entire universe is interconnected. But that doesn't mean our brains can actually derive any practical benefit from it. For instance, if they set off a miniature atomic device in China, the energy released will eventually reach me, sure, but it’ll be so incredibly dissipated by the time it gets here that I won't be able to tell it apart from basic background noise.
The same thing happens if someone in New Zealand picks up a tiny pebble and drops it. First, they expend their own energy to bend down and lift the stone (energy pulled straight from the food they ate), and at that height, the pebble holds a few millijoules of potential energy. The second they let go, that energy scatters through air friction and finally through the impact with the floor. Those few millijoules just vanish, dissipating across the planet.
The wider it spreads, the weaker it gets. You aren't going to register the impact of a pebble hitting the ground a mile away, let alone all the way across America.
These are such infinitesimally small and indistinguishable values that they have zero impact. To put it visually, on a graph like this
http://fecal.org.mx/data/files/estadisticas/nulos.png" alt="image" loading="lazy" class="bb-img"> representing the change in energy received by a detector, those influences would just be invisible, microscopic bumps that you couldn't distinguish from the background static.
It’s like looking at a 3D model of a city and trying to read the location of a speck of dust from it. The parts of the graph are tens of meters high—buildings, skyscrapers—and you're trying to measure something 0.05 mm tall. Forget dust... we're talking about viruses.

And because of this fact—that everything affects everything else in a sort of deterministic chaos that is impossible to measure—some people build these grand ideas that we are "all one." It's not happening. It just makes no sense.
Just because my particles are being bombarded by thermal and radio waves that no imaginable device could ever isolate or distinguish, doesn't mean I am "one" with some Filipino guy halfway across the world having dinner right now.

Ever had that thing happen where you're thinking about someone, and then they suddenly call you or you run into them right after?
Can you tell what someone is thinking or feeling just by their behavior, their eyes... body language? Could you figure out my whole vibe based on just one or two short posts?
That’s all part of the "big picture" and "wavelength"—aka intuition.
Without it, guys like Tesla or Einstein wouldn't have even stumbled onto their ideas.
And Bohr and Heisenberg talked about this stuff constantly....
Basically, whatever Einstein was to physics, Jung was to psychology.
Humans can perceive things through four different ways.
Senses (feeling) paired with its complement, intuition,
Thinking and its complement, feelings.
You gotta develop them all at once. When the mind fails, intuition steps in. When you miss something obvious, intuition kicks in again. Jung said something smart about how kids mostly rely on their minds while growing up, so they really need to work on their feelings. And vice versa.

But there's a catch. The problem is that brain function can be measured with IQ. The other three aren't measurable, so science won't touch them. But they exist, damn it!

Imagination is more important than knowledge!

gentlemaker6 said:I don't think you quite caught my drift.

I was just throwing out my thoughts right then and there.
It's not like we have to agree on everything, I guess.

I don't know if anyone else is picking up on this, but there’s something about the way people talk about the Middle East lately that just feels off. It’s like we’re looking at the whole region through a distorted lens, trying to force complex, ancient geopolitical shifts into these neat little boxes that just don't fit. It reminds me of how people try to explain the complexities of the US banking system by pointing to one single interest rate hike—it’s a massive oversimplification of a much deeper, messier reality. You can't just look at one piece of the puzzle and claim you understand the entire picture. We need to stop looking for easy answers to problems that have been brewing for decades. kaže:
I find it hard to believe anyone actually hates you; it’s more likely they’re just incredibly frustrated by how you handle things. It feels like a clash of styles rather than genuine animosity. That got me thinking, though—have you ever run into something in your own life that you just couldn't wrap a scientific explanation around? Something that felt completely nonsensical or defied all logic from a purely rational standpoint?

I honestly believe this, mostly because I spend enough time scrolling through my inbox to see the patterns. My approach is just neutral and direct, which seems to rub people the wrong way. It’s because they don't want to be challenged; they're too busy clinging to their own dogmas like a security blanket. That's their thing—it's their little coping mechanism for happiness. But when you try to shake them out of it, they react exactly like a stray cat when a stranger tries to get too close to its kittens. Hissing and defensive.

Ryan Wilson2 said:Oh please, I understand exactly how their minds work. They’ll cling to the label of "dogmatic scientific dinosaur" as their primary weapon when they try to explain away universal connectivity, simply because, hey, you supposedly admitted to it yourself.

Let them twist my words if they want. Honestly, just dropping a link to the full post is enough to shut them right up. It’s wild how some people walk around puffing their chests out, acting all enlightened, when all they’ve really done is pick up a few shallow buzzwords from some cheap paperback. They aren't awake; they're basically in a state of hibernation. The second you hit them with an actual fact, they start squirming like those weird plants in Harry Potter and scream, "WE are being oppressed !!!"

Morgan Hernandez5 said:Ever had that thing happen where you're thinking about someone, and then they suddenly call you or you run into them right after?
Can you tell what someone is thinking or feeling just by their behavior, their eyes... body language? Could you figure out my whole vibe based on just one or two short posts?
That’s all part of the "big picture" and "wavelength"—aka intuition.
Without it, guys like Tesla or Einstein wouldn't have even stumbled onto their ideas.
And Bohr and Heisenberg talked about this stuff constantly....
Basically, whatever Einstein was to physics, Jung was to psychology.
Humans can perceive things through four different ways.
Senses (feeling) paired with its complement, intuition,
Thinking and its complement, feelings.
You gotta develop them all at once. When the mind fails, intuition steps in. When you miss something obvious, intuition kicks in again. Jung said something smart about how kids mostly rely on their minds while growing up, so they really need to work on their feelings. And vice versa.

But there's a catch. The problem is that brain function can be measured with IQ. The other three aren't measurable, so science won't touch them. But they exist, damn it!

Imagination is more important than knowledge!

So, here’s the thing—this happens to me all the time. I’ll find myself thinking about someone specific, only to have them call me out of the blue or run into me later. It feels like a pattern, but honestly, it’s probably just standard statistical distribution, at least in my experience. You might think I’m full of it, but I actually made a point to track these moments. I tried to document as many instances as possible to see if there was an actual anomaly happening, and it turns out there wasn't. What you're describing is basically selective memory. When we aren't consciously focusing on it, our brains run this little mechanism that ends up skewing our judgment. It’s a very specific phenomenon, and it's actually pretty common in geriatric medicine. In some cases, it gets extreme.

Can you actually read someone’s mind—or at least figure out what they’re thinking and feeling—just by watching their body language or how they look at you? And more importantly, could you pin down my entire personality type based on just one or two short posts?

It’s wild how much happens behind the scenes before you even realize you’ve formed an opinion. Think about it: your eyes are constantly flooding your brain with a massive stream of data, but your conscious mind only catches the tip of the iceberg. It's just a tiny fraction of what's actually happening. Your brain takes that entire ocean of subconscious information—everything it’s ever stored, every subtle cue, every glance—and processes it all in the background. By the time you actually "think" something, the heavy lifting is already done. The brain just serves up a finished product to your awareness. Honestly, that organ is pretty fascinating.
Based on just one or two short posts from you, I couldn't really pin down what "type" of person you are, but the more I read, the clearer the picture becomes in my head. Of course, that doesn't mean the picture is actually true. A mental image is just the result of whatever managed to pass through your brain's internal censorship onto the web, combined with how my own brain processes those specific bits of info and spits them back out at you.
People can be drastically misread. But sometimes, you hit the nail on the head. It’s all about timing.

those are all hallmarks of seeing the "big picture" and tapping into "wavelengths"—basically, intuition.
without it, neither Tesla nor Einstein would have ever stumbled upon their breakthroughs.
and Bohr and Heisenberg talked extensively about this kind of thing...
what Einstein achieved in physics, Jung achieved in psychology.
humans can perceive things through four distinct channels.
sensory input (feeling) paired with its complement, intuition,
logic and its complement, emotion.
you need to develop them all in parallel. When the intellect hits a wall, intuition steps in; when you miss something obvious, intuition jumps the gap. Jung made a great point... that while children mostly rely on their intellect during development, they really ought to work on their feelings too. And vice versa.

But there's a catch. The problem is that the intellectual side is measurable via IQ. The other three aren't easily quantified, so mainstream science tends to ignore them. But they exist, damn it!

imagination is more important than knowledge!

Exactly! Like I’ve mentioned before, there is so much happening deep within the brain that we only experience a tiny fraction of it in our conscious awareness. Since everyone seems to be obsessed with Star Trek lately, think of it like the entire crew working behind the scenes on a starship compared to the limited data popping up on a single interface. A massive amount of processing happens in the background, and only a small slice bubbles up to the surface. That’s exactly how inventions happen. You see something, it triggers a cascade of information processing in your head, and suddenly a useful result surfaces in your consciousness.
Intuition works on that exact same principle. That's why you should never brush it off. It is a legitimate product of our biology and it carries real information. You have to approach it and analyze it rather than tossing it aside as junk—because it isn't junk.
So, it’s not quite accurate to say psychology doesn't align with intuition...

Morgan Hernandez5 As stated by:
In your estimation, what was the primary catalyst for the collapse of ancient civilizations?
In my view, those were nothing more than "natural disasters."

It is possible, though I can only speculate. One must account for shifts occurring over tens of thousands of years to identify true patterns in climate change, rather than focusing solely on the last century. Some people seem obsessed with the impact of aerosol sprays and internal combustion engines while they ponder humanity's footprint, all while dreaming up "eco-conscious" job titles that barely exist.

Morgan Hernandez5 said:Yeah, spot on. Really well said. When I read that, I knew we were pretty much on the same page.

So, why do you think all those old civilizations just vanished? I guess there's a million reasons, maybe. People always want a simple answer, but it's probably just a mix of everything hitting them at once. Resources drying up, bad leadership, climate shifts... who knows. It’s messy.
I mean, if you ask me, those were nothing short of "natural disasters."
You can look at the Bible for the whole Great Flood thing, but there's also actual science to back it up. I mean, you’ve got those oceanographers out of France who found freshwater shells sitting right in the Black Sea... plus a bunch of other studies. Just saying.
I guess I'm telling you that the whole Atlantis thing—you know, the idea that it just vanished because of some massive geological shift—is actually legit. It’s right where they say it should be, near the Azores, sitting right over that huge rift on the Atlantic floor. Just a direct result of everything happening deep under the earth throughout history. Maybe.
The planet is still acting up big time. Looking at the data and measurements from the last thirty years, it’s pretty clear things are ramping up. There's more shaking happening, and the volcanic activity just keeps getting more intense... I guess we're seeing it happen in real time.



I guess, looking at the whole mess, I’d still give science a shot. Yeah, it’s all tangled up with religion, politics, and—let's be real—massive amounts of money, but it still helps us move forward and come up with actual ideas.
I guess I just see every kind of exclusion as totally pointless.
Nah, obviously logic and science aren't the only things that matter...
You're not wrong. Throughout all this long-ass history, some people actually managed to adapt because they figured out what you and I already know. That’s how they survived, I guess.

Helping people? Honestly, it feels like Sisyphus pushing that rock up the hill every single day. It’s just endless. Between how stuck people are in their old-school ways, pure human stupidity, and that desperate, selfish need to fit in... it’s a mess. Plus, most people seem to have zero brainpower beyond just seeing, touching, and hearing stuff. I guess it's just a losing battle.
To actually get how you write, you gotta have a high IQ and that ability to see the big picture—like, actual intuition. Not this fragmented, broken-up mess most people deal with. Honestly, that’s basically what humanity is right now: just a bunch of disconnected pieces.
Once I realized my circle was basically crawling with mediocrity—people who struggle to grasp even the small stuff—I decided it’d be straight-up insane to waste even a shred of energy trying to explain the big picture to them. I mean, whatever. Everyone’s got a right to their own opinion, I guess. We should probably respect what people think, even if their takes are totally delusional. Honestly, trying to talk sense into someone or drag them down from whatever cloud they're floating on just feels dishonest. Not worth it.
I’m pretty sure gentlemaker6, placidjackal36, you, and me are all actually on the same page—we just look at things from different angles. I guess that’s actually a good thing, though. Might help us see the full picture.
At the end of the day, none of us would even be hanging out in this thread if it weren't for this stuff. I guess.
People just lost their sense of empathy, I guess. Respect is basically dead at this point. And since most people seem to be lacking both intuition and basic intelligence, I don't even know if I can blame them. Maybe that's just how it is now.
that’s why I think the whole thing is just a total uphill battle.
I mean, personally, I don't think we should let it get us down. We can still work on ourselves, grow, and live out our own visions, I guess.

thanks in advance

To call something a Sisyphus task simply means you hold expectations that you are certain will go unfulfilled. Such expectations—any expectations, really—act as an unnecessary drag, causing the entire eternity of the present moment to be lost in the noise of an internal monologue, leaving reality as nothing more than a faded idea.

And then people actually attempt to find facts to support such an idea, treating it as if it holds any real value.

Morgan Hernandez5 As requested:
To attempt to convince someone of a particular truth and forcibly pull them from their idealized state of mind would be inherently dishonest.
I am convinced that gentlemaker6, placidjackal36, you, and I actually share the same vision, albeit from different perspectives. This is ultimately an advantage, as it allows us to assemble a more complete picture.
Ultimately, this thread wouldn't even exist if it weren't for us.

Preconceptions prevent you from seeing the full picture—one that can never be captured through mere interpolation of our limited perspectives. As long as we rely on snapshots, what we perceive will always fall short of reality. To truly grasp existence, one must open their eyes, listen intently, and silence the internal biases that serve only to discriminate. The moment you settle on a fiction, you freeze the unstoppable flow of events we all inhabit. Any conclusions drawn from such static processing are worthless when applied to a world in constant flux. They are useless when applied to something living.

To quote another member: Analysis is paralysis.

Morgan Hernandez5 said:Yeah, spot on. Really well said. When I read that, I knew we were pretty much on the same page.

So, why do you think all those old civilizations just vanished? I guess there's a million reasons, maybe. People always want a simple answer, but it's probably just a mix of everything hitting them at once. Resources drying up, bad leadership, climate shifts... who knows. It’s messy.
I mean, if you ask me, those were nothing short of "natural disasters."
You can look at the Bible for the whole Great Flood thing, but there's also actual science to back it up. I mean, you’ve got those oceanographers out of France who found freshwater shells sitting right in the Black Sea... plus a bunch of other studies. Just saying.
I guess I'm telling you that the whole Atlantis thing—you know, the idea that it just vanished because of some massive geological shift—is actually legit. It’s right where they say it should be, near the Azores, sitting right over that huge rift on the Atlantic floor. Just a direct result of everything happening deep under the earth throughout history. Maybe.
The planet is still acting up big time. Looking at the data and measurements from the last thirty years, it’s pretty clear things are ramping up. There's more shaking happening, and the volcanic activity just keeps getting more intense... I guess we're seeing it happen in real time.



I guess, looking at the whole mess, I’d still give science a shot. Yeah, it’s all tangled up with religion, politics, and—let's be real—massive amounts of money, but it still helps us move forward and come up with actual ideas.
I guess I just see every kind of exclusion as totally pointless.
Nah, obviously logic and science aren't the only things that matter...
You're not wrong. Throughout all this long-ass history, some people actually managed to adapt because they figured out what you and I already know. That’s how they survived, I guess.

Helping people? Honestly, it feels like Sisyphus pushing that rock up the hill every single day. It’s just endless. Between how stuck people are in their old-school ways, pure human stupidity, and that desperate, selfish need to fit in... it’s a mess. Plus, most people seem to have zero brainpower beyond just seeing, touching, and hearing stuff. I guess it's just a losing battle.
To actually get how you write, you gotta have a high IQ and that ability to see the big picture—like, actual intuition. Not this fragmented, broken-up mess most people deal with. Honestly, that’s basically what humanity is right now: just a bunch of disconnected pieces.
Once I realized my circle was basically crawling with mediocrity—people who struggle to grasp even the small stuff—I decided it’d be straight-up insane to waste even a shred of energy trying to explain the big picture to them. I mean, whatever. Everyone’s got a right to their own opinion, I guess. We should probably respect what people think, even if their takes are totally delusional. Honestly, trying to talk sense into someone or drag them down from whatever cloud they're floating on just feels dishonest. Not worth it.
I’m pretty sure gentlemaker6, placidjackal36, you, and me are all actually on the same page—we just look at things from different angles. I guess that’s actually a good thing, though. Might help us see the full picture.
At the end of the day, none of us would even be hanging out in this thread if it weren't for this stuff. I guess.
People just lost their sense of empathy, I guess. Respect is basically dead at this point. And since most people seem to be lacking both intuition and basic intelligence, I don't even know if I can blame them. Maybe that's just how it is now.
that’s why I think the whole thing is just a total uphill battle.
I mean, personally, I don't think we should let it get us down. We can still work on ourselves, grow, and live out our own visions, I guess.

thanks in advance

If your goal is to exist within your own little vision, then by all means, continue working on yourself, pursuing spiritual growth, and playing those various games the ego likes to play with itself. 🙂

placidjackal36 said:Just my two cents here—physics does technically say the entire universe is interconnected. But that doesn't mean our brains can actually derive any practical benefit from it. For instance, if they set off a miniature atomic device in China, the energy released will eventually reach me, sure, but it’ll be so incredibly dissipated by the time it gets here that I won't be able to tell it apart from basic background noise.
The same thing happens if someone in New Zealand picks up a tiny pebble and drops it. First, they expend their own energy to bend down and lift the stone (energy pulled straight from the food they ate), and at that height, the pebble holds a few millijoules of potential energy. The second they let go, that energy scatters through air friction and finally through the impact with the floor. Those few millijoules just vanish, dissipating across the planet.
The wider it spreads, the weaker it gets. You aren't going to register the impact of a pebble hitting the ground a mile away, let alone all the way across America.
These are such infinitesimally small and indistinguishable values that they have zero impact. To put it visually, on a graph like this
http://fecal.org.mx/data/files/estadisticas/nulos.png" alt="image" loading="lazy" class="bb-img"> representing the change in energy received by a detector, those influences would just be invisible, microscopic bumps that you couldn't distinguish from the background static.
It’s like looking at a 3D model of a city and trying to read the location of a speck of dust from it. The parts of the graph are tens of meters high—buildings, skyscrapers—and you're trying to measure something 0.05 mm tall. Forget dust... we're talking about viruses.

And because of this fact—that everything affects everything else in a sort of deterministic chaos that is impossible to measure—some people build these grand ideas that we are "all one." It's not happening. It just makes no sense.
Just because my particles are being bombarded by thermal and radio waves that no imaginable device could ever isolate or distinguish, doesn't mean I am "one" with some Filipino guy halfway across the world having dinner right now.

A rather pathetic attempt to find scientific evidence to validate my claim, only to stumble in your final paragraph in your usual fashion. I am not building my idea that we are all one on what you are saying. I don't care about that at all.
I know that science will one day find absolute proof of my words. Absolute. Clear. Pure. The fact that they cannot do so now doesn't give them the right to deny it. And you will witness it, if you live long enough, by reading about it. You certainly won't discover it yourself, as you aren't a scientist, merely a common nerd.

Ryan Wilson2 said:A true New Age enthusiast will have their heart leap at a statement like yours, yet their brain will conveniently filter out everything else. In a few months, they’ll come crawling back claiming they were the ones who originally said the entire universe is connected, and they'll shamelessly hijack your evidence to support their own agenda.

That is simply how it works.

I honestly have no idea what basis you have for being a moderator on this subforum. You are about as spiritual as a wet rock on the side of the road, and your grasp of the subject matter is roughly that of a half-drunk teenager.

You’re just throwing around labels for New Agers without any real logic, trying to fit everything into categories you can't even define. Not to mention how much you're sucking up to the moderator. I suppose you two need each other for support.

placidjackal36 said:Oh, if that were anyone else saying it... but it was placidjackal36, that "dogmatic scientific fossil" you aren't supposed to trust. 😉
Maybe the sheer hatred they have for me—and believe me, I know it exists, judging by the hate mail I get—will actually force them to read to the end, maybe giving their brains a much-needed workout. It might hit that 2%, 5%, or 10% margin of people who aren't complete idiots, though honestly, I wouldn't bet much on it. 😁

For the record, I am publicly stating that I am not among those who hate you; I don't send you emails, DMs, or anything of the sort. I simply pity you.

I am on your side, and there is nothing I can do about it. I have to seek God, as He exists within me as well. I don't know what role you play in my life, but I certainly won't be playing it for much longer.

Ryan Wilson2 said:Oh please, I understand exactly how their minds work. They’ll cling to the label of "dogmatic scientific dinosaur" as their primary weapon when they try to explain away universal connectivity, simply because, hey, you supposedly admitted to it yourself.

Not only are you an expert, but you're clairvoyant too. Impressive.

placidjackal36 said:

I don't know if anyone else is picking up on this, but there’s something about the way people talk about the Middle East lately that just feels off. It’s like we’re looking at the whole region through a distorted lens, trying to force complex, ancient geopolitical shifts into these neat little boxes that just don't fit. It reminds me of how people try to explain the complexities of the US banking system by pointing to one single interest rate hike—it’s a massive oversimplification of a much deeper, messier reality. You can't just look at one piece of the puzzle and claim you understand the entire picture. We need to stop looking for easy answers to problems that have been brewing for decades. kaže:
I find it hard to believe anyone actually hates you; it’s more likely they’re just incredibly frustrated by how you handle things. It feels like a clash of styles rather than genuine animosity. That got me thinking, though—have you ever run into something in your own life that you just couldn't wrap a scientific explanation around? Something that felt completely nonsensical or defied all logic from a purely rational standpoint?

I honestly believe this, mostly because I spend enough time scrolling through my inbox to see the patterns. My approach is just neutral and direct, which seems to rub people the wrong way. It’s because they don't want to be challenged; they're too busy clinging to their own dogmas like a security blanket. That's their thing—it's their little coping mechanism for happiness. But when you try to shake them out of it, they react exactly like a stray cat when a stranger tries to get too close to its kittens. Hissing and defensive.

Let them twist my words if they want. Honestly, just dropping a link to the full post is enough to shut them right up. It’s wild how some people walk around puffing their chests out, acting all enlightened, when all they’ve really done is pick up a few shallow buzzwords from some cheap paperback. They aren't awake; they're basically in a state of hibernation. The second you hit them with an actual fact, they start squirming like those weird plants in Harry Potter and scream, "WE are being oppressed !!!"

So, here’s the thing—this happens to me all the time. I’ll find myself thinking about someone specific, only to have them call me out of the blue or run into me later. It feels like a pattern, but honestly, it’s probably just standard statistical distribution, at least in my experience. You might think I’m full of it, but I actually made a point to track these moments. I tried to document as many instances as possible to see if there was an actual anomaly happening, and it turns out there wasn't. What you're describing is basically selective memory. When we aren't consciously focusing on it, our brains run this little mechanism that ends up skewing our judgment. It’s a very specific phenomenon, and it's actually pretty common in geriatric medicine. In some cases, it gets extreme.

Can you actually read someone’s mind—or at least figure out what they’re thinking and feeling—just by watching their body language or how they look at you? And more importantly, could you pin down my entire personality type based on just one or two short posts?

It’s wild how much happens behind the scenes before you even realize you’ve formed an opinion. Think about it: your eyes are constantly flooding your brain with a massive stream of data, but your conscious mind only catches the tip of the iceberg. It's just a tiny fraction of what's actually happening. Your brain takes that entire ocean of subconscious information—everything it’s ever stored, every subtle cue, every glance—and processes it all in the background. By the time you actually "think" something, the heavy lifting is already done. The brain just serves up a finished product to your awareness. Honestly, that organ is pretty fascinating.
Based on just one or two short posts from you, I couldn't really pin down what "type" of person you are, but the more I read, the clearer the picture becomes in my head. Of course, that doesn't mean the picture is actually true. A mental image is just the result of whatever managed to pass through your brain's internal censorship onto the web, combined with how my own brain processes those specific bits of info and spits them back out at you.
People can be drastically misread. But sometimes, you hit the nail on the head. It’s all about timing.

those are all hallmarks of seeing the "big picture" and tapping into "wavelengths"—basically, intuition.
without it, neither Tesla nor Einstein would have ever stumbled upon their breakthroughs.
and Bohr and Heisenberg talked extensively about this kind of thing...
what Einstein achieved in physics, Jung achieved in psychology.
humans can perceive things through four distinct channels.
sensory input (feeling) paired with its complement, intuition,
logic and its complement, emotion.
you need to develop them all in parallel. When the intellect hits a wall, intuition steps in; when you miss something obvious, intuition jumps the gap. Jung made a great point... that while children mostly rely on their intellect during development, they really ought to work on their feelings too. And vice versa.

But there's a catch. The problem is that the intellectual side is measurable via IQ. The other three aren't easily quantified, so mainstream science tends to ignore them. But they exist, damn it!

imagination is more important than knowledge!

Exactly! Like I’ve mentioned before, there is so much happening deep within the brain that we only experience a tiny fraction of it in our conscious awareness. Since everyone seems to be obsessed with Star Trek lately, think of it like the entire crew working behind the scenes on a starship compared to the limited data popping up on a single interface. A massive amount of processing happens in the background, and only a small slice bubbles up to the surface. That’s exactly how inventions happen. You see something, it triggers a cascade of information processing in your head, and suddenly a useful result surfaces in your consciousness.
Intuition works on that exact same principle. That's why you should never brush it off. It is a legitimate product of our biology and it carries real information. You have to approach it and analyze it rather than tossing it aside as junk—because it isn't junk.
So, it’s not quite accurate to say psychology doesn't align with intuition...

You come along like an aspirin for their dogma. Yet, you are the biggest dogmatist here. You must be some kind of spy.

It did happen, but it has happened many more times where I think of someone and then don't call them or run into them. It's standard statistical distribution, at least in my case. You might not believe me, but prompted by certain accounts, I made a concerted effort to remember as many such instances as possible, and I didn't see them as anomalies. What you are describing is called selective memory, and when we aren't conscious of it, it's a brain mechanism that results in errors in judgment. It's quite specific and common in geriatrics. Extreme, even.

Based on behavior, appearance, and various other cues, the brain constructs a primary image. Our eyes feed us an overwhelming amount of data; the brain absorbs and processes all of it, yet we only ever perceive the tip of the iceberg. From that massive subconscious "ocean" of stored information, the brain synthesizes an opinion and presents it to our conscious mind. It is a fascinating organ.
Judging by one or two short posts, I wouldn't be able to pin down your "type," but the more I read, the more complete the picture becomes. Of course, that picture isn't necessarily the truth. It’s merely the result of what passed through your brain's internal censorship to end up online, combined with how my own brain interprets those specific fragments.
It can vary drastically. Occasionally, it hits the mark. But when?

Of course! As I mentioned, there is so much happening within the brain that we only experience a tiny fraction of it consciously. Since *Star Trek* is currently trending, consider it like the operations of an entire starship compared to the limited data available via a single interface. Most of the heavy lifting happens in the background, while only a small portion surfaces. This is precisely how inventions occur. A person perceives something, triggering a cascade of internal processing that eventually emerges into consciousness as a useful result.
Intuition functions on this exact principle. That is why one should never dismiss it. Intuition is a product of our biological hardware and carries genuine information. It deserves to be approached and analyzed rather than discarded as junk—because it certainly isn't junk.
It’s not as if psychology doesn't align with intuition...

In that case, you failed to recognize an anomaly. Better luck next time. It simply highlights your way of thinking. You seem solely intent on proving that everything resides within the brain and that it is the ultimate carrier of existence. You fail to see that the brain is essentially just a high-end hard drive used for storing programs and data. It does not grant life. Like any other organ or system in the body, it has its role in sustaining the life that is the spirit or soul.

So, little moderators, you have grown arrogant and are running wild on your own forum. By all means, enjoy yourselves. I have no intention of wasting any more of my time or wisdom on you. You are the fate of this forum, and because of you, it has lost all its charm.

gentlemaker6 said:A rather pathetic attempt to find scientific evidence to validate my claim, only to stumble in your final paragraph in your usual fashion. I am not building my idea that we are all one on what you are saying. I don't care about that at all.
I know that science will one day find absolute proof of my words. Absolute. Clear. Pure. The fact that they cannot do so now doesn't give them the right to deny it. And you will witness it, if you live long enough, by reading about it. You certainly won't discover it yourself, as you aren't a scientist, merely a common nerd.

I honestly have no idea what basis you have for being a moderator on this subforum. You are about as spiritual as a wet rock on the side of the road, and your grasp of the subject matter is roughly that of a half-drunk teenager.

You’re just throwing around labels for New Agers without any real logic, trying to fit everything into categories you can't even define. Not to mention how much you're sucking up to the moderator. I suppose you two need each other for support.

For the record, I am publicly stating that I am not among those who hate you; I don't send you emails, DMs, or anything of the sort. I simply pity you.

I am on your side, and there is nothing I can do about it. I have to seek God, as He exists within me as well. I don't know what role you play in my life, but I certainly won't be playing it for much longer.

Not only are you an expert, but you're clairvoyant too. Impressive.

You come along like an aspirin for their dogma. Yet, you are the biggest dogmatist here. You must be some kind of spy.

It did happen, but it has happened many more times where I think of someone and then don't call them or run into them. It's standard statistical distribution, at least in my case. You might not believe me, but prompted by certain accounts, I made a concerted effort to remember as many such instances as possible, and I didn't see them as anomalies. What you are describing is called selective memory, and when we aren't conscious of it, it's a brain mechanism that results in errors in judgment. It's quite specific and common in geriatrics. Extreme, even.

Based on behavior, appearance, and various other cues, the brain constructs a primary image. Our eyes feed us an overwhelming amount of data; the brain absorbs and processes all of it, yet we only ever perceive the tip of the iceberg. From that massive subconscious "ocean" of stored information, the brain synthesizes an opinion and presents it to our conscious mind. It is a fascinating organ.
Judging by one or two short posts, I wouldn't be able to pin down your "type," but the more I read, the more complete the picture becomes. Of course, that picture isn't necessarily the truth. It’s merely the result of what passed through your brain's internal censorship to end up online, combined with how my own brain interprets those specific fragments.
It can vary drastically. Occasionally, it hits the mark. But when?

Of course! As I mentioned, there is so much happening within the brain that we only experience a tiny fraction of it consciously. Since *Star Trek* is currently trending, consider it like the operations of an entire starship compared to the limited data available via a single interface. Most of the heavy lifting happens in the background, while only a small portion surfaces. This is precisely how inventions occur. A person perceives something, triggering a cascade of internal processing that eventually emerges into consciousness as a useful result.
Intuition functions on this exact principle. That is why one should never dismiss it. Intuition is a product of our biological hardware and carries genuine information. It deserves to be approached and analyzed rather than discarded as junk—because it certainly isn't junk.
It’s not as if psychology doesn't align with intuition...

In that case, you failed to recognize an anomaly. Better luck next time. It simply highlights your way of thinking. You seem solely intent on proving that everything resides within the brain and that it is the ultimate carrier of existence. You fail to see that the brain is essentially just a high-end hard drive used for storing programs and data. It does not grant life. Like any other organ or system in the body, it has its role in sustaining the life that is the spirit or soul.

So, little moderators, you have grown arrogant and are running wild on your own forum. By all means, enjoy yourselves. I have no intention of wasting any more of my time or wisdom on you. You are the fate of this forum, and because of you, it has lost all its charm.

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hey gentlemaker6...

Look, I’m not a moderator on this subforum. If you want to know who actually wrecked this place, maybe take a good look in the mirror first. This isn't spirituality anymore; it’s just straight-up New Age garbage. But hey, that’s just how things evolve, so let’s not waste too much energy whining about it.

gentlemaker6, you’re just a believer. I’m not—at least not regarding whatever version of reality you’ve constructed in your own head. Every debate we have hits a dead end because you cling to your dogmas instead of looking at facts. On my end, I’m not looking to swallow your dogmas, but I am staring at facts that don't leave me much room to wiggle (though there's always a little wiggle room).
This describes you perfectly:
Green's rule for discussion:
"Anything is possible if you have no idea what you're talking about."
Your total lack of general knowledge gives you plenty of room to move, but it’s useless when you’re so blinded that you keep slamming into obstacles you can't even see—namely, the truth. And then you get pissed when you hit them.
You preach, I bring the facts, and you attack. Peace? Yeah, I don't think so.

It would be interesting if your dogmas could actually coexist with reality, like certain tenets in major world religions do, but they can't. Your dogmas actively try to overwrite facts, which makes them delusions, plain and simple.
Your beliefs, which aren't rooted in anything tangible, remind me of cult behavior. That mindless zeal you use to push unverifiable nonsense feels like those street preachers or fringe movements. At its core, it’s no different from fanatic Christians, Muslims, or Jews. Just different dogmas. "My God is the only real one"—that’s basically all your "spirituality" boils down to, if you can even call it that.

Honestly, I have no clue which sect or movement you belong to, but claiming you won't be wasting your "wisdom" on us anymore (which implies we're small and pathetic?) doesn't exactly scream spiritual enlightenment.
I bet your response is going to be "you're a spy." LOL

Once you finally accept the biological facts about your own body—like the fact that your brain is responsible for your behavior, not some mystical fog or some undetectable creature—maybe you'll realize there's a lot more to learn about physiology. It's far more fascinating than any concept humans have ever cooked up. But for now, keep running toward the void and chasing fictional "energy." Your call...

Check out my signature. It applies to you just as much as it does to religious fanatics in the States:

How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded: "This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant. God must be even greater than we dreamed"? Instead they say: "No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way." © Carl Sagan

When are you going to admit that the universe and everything in it—including our own bodies—is much larger, more complex, more subtle, and more elegant than your dogmas allow?

placidjackal36 said:Look, I’m not a moderator on this subforum. If you want to know who actually wrecked this place, maybe take a good look in the mirror first. This isn't spirituality anymore; it’s just straight-up New Age garbage. But hey, that’s just how things evolve, so let’s not waste too much energy whining about it.

gentlemaker6, you’re just a believer. I’m not—at least not regarding whatever version of reality you’ve constructed in your own head. Every debate we have hits a dead end because you cling to your dogmas instead of looking at facts. On my end, I’m not looking to swallow your dogmas, but I am staring at facts that don't leave me much room to wiggle (though there's always a little wiggle room).
This describes you perfectly:
Green's rule for discussion:
"Anything is possible if you have no idea what you're talking about."
Your total lack of general knowledge gives you plenty of room to move, but it’s useless when you’re so blinded that you keep slamming into obstacles you can't even see—namely, the truth. And then you get pissed when you hit them.
You preach, I bring the facts, and you attack. Peace? Yeah, I don't think so.

It would be interesting if your dogmas could actually coexist with reality, like certain tenets in major world religions do, but they can't. Your dogmas actively try to overwrite facts, which makes them delusions, plain and simple.
Your beliefs, which aren't rooted in anything tangible, remind me of cult behavior. That mindless zeal you use to push unverifiable nonsense feels like those street preachers or fringe movements. At its core, it’s no different from fanatic Christians, Muslims, or Jews. Just different dogmas. "My God is the only real one"—that’s basically all your "spirituality" boils down to, if you can even call it that.

Honestly, I have no clue which sect or movement you belong to, but claiming you won't be wasting your "wisdom" on us anymore (which implies we're small and pathetic?) doesn't exactly scream spiritual enlightenment.
I bet your response is going to be "you're a spy." LOL

Once you finally accept the biological facts about your own body—like the fact that your brain is responsible for your behavior, not some mystical fog or some undetectable creature—maybe you'll realize there's a lot more to learn about physiology. It's far more fascinating than any concept humans have ever cooked up. But for now, keep running toward the void and chasing fictional "energy." Your call...

Check out my signature. It applies to you just as much as it does to religious fanatics in the States:

How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded: "This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant. God must be even greater than we dreamed"? Instead they say: "No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way." © Carl Sagan

When are you going to admit that the universe and everything in it—including our own bodies—is much larger, more complex, more subtle, and more elegant than your dogmas allow?

Science serves me; I do not serve it. Don't lose sight of that. The facts it gradually uncovers only reinforce my own ideas. The One I believe in created all of this effortlessly, yet science hasn't even begun to grasp the sheer complexity and beauty of creation as I perceive it. As for you, acting like such a pedantic clerk, you're still nothing more than an apprentice.

Of course, it’s well known that you have an answer for everything and consider yourself the smartest person in the room.

Your arrogance is staggering; you're simply a cynic who tears down everything in your path. It’s quite obvious you vent your frustrations by attacking everyone else.

I don't belong to any religion, sect, cult, or clique; I am merely a member of humanity. That is sufficient. By being part of the whole, I am connected to everyone and everything. I am one with God and the entire Universe.

Your signature is just a signature; it says everything about you and nothing about me.

I know you play moderator on that other forum, but this one is clearly just your playground—an ego trip designed for your own gratification. I have no desire to waste more time debating you, so feel free to carry on. Since this is a forum dedicated to spirituality and you are such an incredibly "spiritual" individual, it’s only right that us mere mortals step aside to give you the floor. We wouldn't want to get in the way of your "quality" content. Enjoy yourself.

gentlemaker6 said:A rather pathetic attempt to find scientific evidence to validate my claim, only to stumble in your final paragraph in your usual fashion. I am not building my idea that we are all one on what you are saying. I don't care about that at all.
I know that science will one day find absolute proof of my words. Absolute. Clear. Pure. The fact that they cannot do so now doesn't give them the right to deny it. And you will witness it, if you live long enough, by reading about it. You certainly won't discover it yourself, as you aren't a scientist, merely a common nerd.

I honestly have no idea what basis you have for being a moderator on this subforum. You are about as spiritual as a wet rock on the side of the road, and your grasp of the subject matter is roughly that of a half-drunk teenager.

You’re just throwing around labels for New Agers without any real logic, trying to fit everything into categories you can't even define. Not to mention how much you're sucking up to the moderator. I suppose you two need each other for support.

For the record, I am publicly stating that I am not among those who hate you; I don't send you emails, DMs, or anything of the sort. I simply pity you.

I am on your side, and there is nothing I can do about it. I have to seek God, as He exists within me as well. I don't know what role you play in my life, but I certainly won't be playing it for much longer.

Not only are you an expert, but you're clairvoyant too. Impressive.

You come along like an aspirin for their dogma. Yet, you are the biggest dogmatist here. You must be some kind of spy.

It did happen, but it has happened many more times where I think of someone and then don't call them or run into them. It's standard statistical distribution, at least in my case. You might not believe me, but prompted by certain accounts, I made a concerted effort to remember as many such instances as possible, and I didn't see them as anomalies. What you are describing is called selective memory, and when we aren't conscious of it, it's a brain mechanism that results in errors in judgment. It's quite specific and common in geriatrics. Extreme, even.

Based on behavior, appearance, and various other cues, the brain constructs a primary image. Our eyes feed us an overwhelming amount of data; the brain absorbs and processes all of it, yet we only ever perceive the tip of the iceberg. From that massive subconscious "ocean" of stored information, the brain synthesizes an opinion and presents it to our conscious mind. It is a fascinating organ.
Judging by one or two short posts, I wouldn't be able to pin down your "type," but the more I read, the more complete the picture becomes. Of course, that picture isn't necessarily the truth. It’s merely the result of what passed through your brain's internal censorship to end up online, combined with how my own brain interprets those specific fragments.
It can vary drastically. Occasionally, it hits the mark. But when?

Of course! As I mentioned, there is so much happening within the brain that we only experience a tiny fraction of it consciously. Since *Star Trek* is currently trending, consider it like the operations of an entire starship compared to the limited data available via a single interface. Most of the heavy lifting happens in the background, while only a small portion surfaces. This is precisely how inventions occur. A person perceives something, triggering a cascade of internal processing that eventually emerges into consciousness as a useful result.
Intuition functions on this exact principle. That is why one should never dismiss it. Intuition is a product of our biological hardware and carries genuine information. It deserves to be approached and analyzed rather than discarded as junk—because it certainly isn't junk.
It’s not as if psychology doesn't align with intuition...

In that case, you failed to recognize an anomaly. Better luck next time. It simply highlights your way of thinking. You seem solely intent on proving that everything resides within the brain and that it is the ultimate carrier of existence. You fail to see that the brain is essentially just a high-end hard drive used for storing programs and data. It does not grant life. Like any other organ or system in the body, it has its role in sustaining the life that is the spirit or soul.

So, little moderators, you have grown arrogant and are running wild on your own forum. By all means, enjoy yourselves. I have no intention of wasting any more of my time or wisdom on you. You are the fate of this forum, and because of you, it has lost all its charm.

It’s the same old story, isn't it? When you can't find any actual substance to argue against, you resort to cheap personal insults that have nothing to do with the discussion at hand. But fine, if it makes you feel better. At least you've finally proven that your rhetoric isn't backed by any real integrity, because someone who actually stood behind their convictions wouldn't be sinking to such low levels of petty hostility.

It’s kind of funny how on these spirituality forums, the loudest voices—and usually the ones with the deepest pockets—are the exact people who don't have a clue what the word even means. They prove it with every single post they make, too.

gentlemaker6 said:Science serves me; I do not serve it. Don't lose sight of that. The facts it gradually uncovers only reinforce my own ideas. The One I believe in created all of this effortlessly, yet science hasn't even begun to grasp the sheer complexity and beauty of creation as I perceive it. As for you, acting like such a pedantic clerk, you're still nothing more than an apprentice.

Of course, it’s well known that you have an answer for everything and consider yourself the smartest person in the room.

Your arrogance is staggering; you're simply a cynic who tears down everything in your path. It’s quite obvious you vent your frustrations by attacking everyone else.

I don't belong to any religion, sect, cult, or clique; I am merely a member of humanity. That is sufficient. By being part of the whole, I am connected to everyone and everything. I am one with God and the entire Universe.

Your signature is just a signature; it says everything about you and nothing about me.

I know you play moderator on that other forum, but this one is clearly just your playground—an ego trip designed for your own gratification. I have no desire to waste more time debating you, so feel free to carry on. Since this is a forum dedicated to spirituality and you are such an incredibly "spiritual" individual, it’s only right that us mere mortals step aside to give you the floor. We wouldn't want to get in the way of your "quality" content. Enjoy yourself.

Straw man. I don't do things like that. I only chime in on topics where I actually know something, just to make sure the discussion doesn't drift off course. If I jumped into every single conversation, you'd see me in every single thread on the Spirituality board. And that’s nowhere near the truth.
So, first thing's first: learn how to stop lying when you're making arguments.

And if you want to know who's actually being arrogant, just look at this sentence of yours:
I have no intention of wasting any more of my time or wisdom on you people.

Q.E.D.

As Shakespeare once put it: There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
That goes for all of us, really; there is just so much out there that we can't quite wrap our heads around, yet we find ourselves aching for some kind of explanation, which makes it such a massive tragedy when we end up just bickering with one another and trying to force our own narrow views on everyone else...
It’s nearly impossible to claim with any absolute certainty that there is only one single truth—truth—but maybe a better way to navigate this mess is to realize that true truth should naturally embrace perspectives that promote goodness, tolerance, and love, rather than those that try to bulldoze their way through with aggression, exclusivity, and total intolerance of anything different.
So, gentlemaker6 and placidjackal36, and honestly anyone else caught between these two ways of thinking, let's just allow each other to share our worldviews freely without the constant fear that someone else's perspective is going to threaten our own... because it won't.
Personally, I value both of these viewpoints here for different reasons, and it would be a real shame to see this exchange of ideas veer into hostile territory. You both have more to offer than you might realize, especially if you stop trying to cut each other down to size... after all, diversity is where the richness lies, while uniformity is just a sign of coercion and control. 🙂

It’s all very lovely and poetic, rustymaker5, but he’s just fueling his own arrogance with this DIY version of pantheism—basically a commercialized grab bag of bits and pieces he’s plucked from Eastern religions and New Age movements.
He’s convinced himself that God exists solely for his benefit. Now, that might sound like a pretty sentiment, but since we're dealing with humans, it’s just as fatalistic as believing we exist solely for God (where we then project whatever traits we want onto Him and follow them blindly just because "that's what He said").

To be fair, Christianity has one distinct advantage: it values being small. Sure, the Church tends to blow that out of proportion by preaching "martyrdom and suffering as the only path to salvation"—which is a different beast entirely and served its specific purpose back in the day—but the core essence of Christianity isn't about ego. What he’s doing here (God is here for me, ME, ME, ME, ME) is way more dangerous.

You know better than anyone that I’m not a religious guy; I’m just fascinated by nature. Its sheer power, complexity, and beauty serve as a constant reminder that I am tiny, yet capable of making an impact. He doesn't get that. He’s twisted it in his head so that he’s the big player, that God is there for him, that everything is God (meaning everything is essentially there for gentlemaker6), and that he’s connected to everything in a way that allows him to manipulate the divine. In his mind, gentlemaker6 effectively *is* God. He influences everything; he is everything.

How am I supposed to agree with that level of hubris? Not a chance. You only need to take his arguments apart slightly, and logic immediately confirms what your gut already told you: he’s full of himself.

I’m happy to debate this with actual arguments, but since he hasn't learned how to do that—having only mastered the art of repeating his own fabrications—if you actually challenge him... well, prepare for some divine wrath.

placidjackal36 said:It’s all very lovely and poetic, rustymaker5, but he’s just fueling his own arrogance with this DIY version of pantheism—basically a commercialized grab bag of bits and pieces he’s plucked from Eastern religions and New Age movements.
He’s convinced himself that God exists solely for his benefit. Now, that might sound like a pretty sentiment, but since we're dealing with humans, it’s just as fatalistic as believing we exist solely for God (where we then project whatever traits we want onto Him and follow them blindly just because "that's what He said").

To be fair, Christianity has one distinct advantage: it values being small. Sure, the Church tends to blow that out of proportion by preaching "martyrdom and suffering as the only path to salvation"—which is a different beast entirely and served its specific purpose back in the day—but the core essence of Christianity isn't about ego. What he’s doing here (God is here for me, ME, ME, ME, ME) is way more dangerous.

You know better than anyone that I’m not a religious guy; I’m just fascinated by nature. Its sheer power, complexity, and beauty serve as a constant reminder that I am tiny, yet capable of making an impact. He doesn't get that. He’s twisted it in his head so that he’s the big player, that God is there for him, that everything is God (meaning everything is essentially there for gentlemaker6), and that he’s connected to everything in a way that allows him to manipulate the divine. In his mind, gentlemaker6 effectively *is* God. He influences everything; he is everything.

How am I supposed to agree with that level of hubris? Not a chance. You only need to take his arguments apart slightly, and logic immediately confirms what your gut already told you: he’s full of himself.

I’m happy to debate this with actual arguments, but since he hasn't learned how to do that—having only mastered the art of repeating his own fabrications—if you actually challenge him... well, prepare for some divine wrath.

Man, you really have no sense of proportion. You are using such absurd lies in your insolence that I can hardly believe it. This entire topic rests on the fundamental idea that we are all one. All of us. That is a plural concept. I am in no way elevating myself above others—which would imply diminishing God—nor am I humbling myself before others, as that would also diminish God. Have you seen me do that in any of my posts? Ever?

If we are all God, then who is "more" God than anyone else? If we are all God and He is everything surrounding us, isn't His role precisely to serve all His parts? Therefore, God exists for us—or rather, for Himself—not the other way around. You are nowhere near grasping that realization.

This kind of nitpicking and jumping to conclusions only reveals your true character. You are putting words in my mouth that I never uttered, which is impossible. My understanding of the whole is clear; I don't think one thing and say another. Arrogance would be if I truly believed I was the *only* God, rather than recognizing others as well, or thinking I am somehow superior. That isn't me, though I see you displaying that attitude in every single one of your posts. So much for your logic.

placidjackal36 said:It’s all very lovely and poetic, rustymaker5, but he’s just fueling his own arrogance with this DIY version of pantheism—basically a commercialized grab bag of bits and pieces he’s plucked from Eastern religions and New Age movements.
He’s convinced himself that God exists solely for his benefit. Now, that might sound like a pretty sentiment, but since we're dealing with humans, it’s just as fatalistic as believing we exist solely for God (where we then project whatever traits we want onto Him and follow them blindly just because "that's what He said").

To be fair, Christianity has one distinct advantage: it values being small. Sure, the Church tends to blow that out of proportion by preaching "martyrdom and suffering as the only path to salvation"—which is a different beast entirely and served its specific purpose back in the day—but the core essence of Christianity isn't about ego. What he’s doing here (God is here for me, ME, ME, ME, ME) is way more dangerous.

You know better than anyone that I’m not a religious guy; I’m just fascinated by nature. Its sheer power, complexity, and beauty serve as a constant reminder that I am tiny, yet capable of making an impact. He doesn't get that. He’s twisted it in his head so that he’s the big player, that God is there for him, that everything is God (meaning everything is essentially there for gentlemaker6), and that he’s connected to everything in a way that allows him to manipulate the divine. In his mind, gentlemaker6 effectively *is* God. He influences everything; he is everything.

How am I supposed to agree with that level of hubris? Not a chance. You only need to take his arguments apart slightly, and logic immediately confirms what your gut already told you: he’s full of himself.

I’m happy to debate this with actual arguments, but since he hasn't learned how to do that—having only mastered the art of repeating his own fabrications—if you actually challenge him... well, prepare for some divine wrath.

🤣
I mean, seriously, how on earth did you interpret it that way?!?

My take is completely different—it’s more about the fact that we all, in other words every single one of us, all living beings here in America, are actually just fragments (tiny pieces) of Absolute Energy/ God/ The Whole, and we've just manifested into these various physical forms... It's like how every little part of our body (from a single eyelash right down to the heart itself) is a cell that makes up our being, in the exact same way that we all (whether you want to call it spirit or soul, whatever works for you) are parts of that Absolute, creative energy—which we call God—and there, let's just emphasize that sense of Oneness where we are all interconnected pieces...
There isn't any arrogance involved here, really; Simon is simply saying that you, me, him, and everyone else is divine in essence, much like how every individual drop in the Atlantic Ocean is its own distinct thing, yet remains an inseparable, fundamental part of the entire ocean...

I honestly don't grasp this obsession with spirituality. What on earth is that supposed to be? 😕 Is it just a convenient way to lump everything we don't understand under one big umbrella and then call the act of pondering it spirituality? 🤷

So this mechanic rolls up to a culinary school workshop and decides he’s going to forcefully lecture everyone on how a two-stroke engine works... people are just sitting there trying to tell him he’s in the wrong classroom, but the guy won't budge.

🤣

p.s.
It's pretty easy to be the resident gearhead at a cooking class—maybe try mastering a poached egg before you start lecturing us, yeah?

rustymaker5 said:🤣
I mean, seriously, how on earth did you interpret it that way?!?

My take is completely different—it’s more about the fact that we all, in other words every single one of us, all living beings here in America, are actually just fragments (tiny pieces) of Absolute Energy/ God/ The Whole, and we've just manifested into these various physical forms... It's like how every little part of our body (from a single eyelash right down to the heart itself) is a cell that makes up our being, in the exact same way that we all (whether you want to call it spirit or soul, whatever works for you) are parts of that Absolute, creative energy—which we call God—and there, let's just emphasize that sense of Oneness where we are all interconnected pieces...
There isn't any arrogance involved here, really; Simon is simply saying that you, me, him, and everyone else is divine in essence, much like how every individual drop in the Atlantic Ocean is its own distinct thing, yet remains an inseparable, fundamental part of the entire ocean...

Actually, he's nowhere near that. What you just described is the most basic essence of pantheism, and honestly, that way of thinking doesn't even square with what humanity knows about the cosmos. Einstein thought along similar lines. Sort of.
But what Simon is getting at is way beyond that.

nimblemaker52 said:I honestly don't grasp this obsession with spirituality. What on earth is that supposed to be? 😕 Is it just a convenient way to lump everything we don't understand under one big umbrella and then call the act of pondering it spirituality? 🤷

Well, in a way, it's just a search for meaning. If you look at it as a branch of philosophy—once you strip away all those other branches dealing with world structures, ethics, or politics—it's almost like a philosophically inclined faith.
But a lot of the stuff being churned out on this forum isn't even that; it's just plain old superstition, or sometimes even straight-up scams.

placidjackal36 said:Actually, he's nowhere near that. What you just described is the most basic essence of pantheism, and honestly, that way of thinking doesn't even square with what humanity knows about the cosmos. Einstein thought along similar lines. Sort of.
But what Simon is getting at is way beyond that.

Well, in a way, it's just a search for meaning. If you look at it as a branch of philosophy—once you strip away all those other branches dealing with world structures, ethics, or politics—it's almost like a philosophically inclined faith.
But a lot of the stuff being churned out on this forum isn't even that; it's just plain old superstition, or sometimes even straight-up scams.

Care to drop some actual examples of this "criminality"? It sounds like you're just trying to spook everyone here to drum up engagement. If you actually know something that we all need to be aware of, please, by all means, share it with the group. Let's all stay out of the underworld, shall we?