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Gregory Howard Gregory Howard Active Member
144 messages
joined Dec 2009
#41 ·
We need to distinguish between a few different things here.

1. People watching these trials often walk away feeling like a certain side—usually the defendant—has "won" the verbal sparring match. They see someone being loud, landing a quick jab here or there, or catching an expert witness in a minor contradiction and think they've struck gold. But appearances are deceptive. You get the real story only when you actually sit down and read the transcripts. Take the Slobodan Maddox trial, for example. I didn't watch it live, but I've gone through several transcripts. I saw media outlets and reporters practically celebrating how Maddox supposedly "demolished" a British history professor from Cambridge who was testifying about the rise of nationalist ideologies in the 19th century. In reality, reading the text showed that this supposed "victory" was actually a failure. He used clever rhetoric and snarky remarks two or three times, sure, but he failed to dismantle her core arguments. Let me be clear: this applies to almost any defendant. Barring rare exceptions, there is often this lingering impression that the defendant won the debate simply because they poured massive emotional energy into it and landed a few flashy points that aren't even central to the case. It’s a classic illusion: it looks like the defendant has dismantled 100% of a testimony, when in truth, they only knocked down 20%, leaving 80% completely untouched.

2. Since I stated long ago that Donald Trump isn't nearly the caliber people claim him to be ( ), I'll say something about expert witnesses. There is a massive difference between prosecution witnesses and defense witnesses. Generally speaking, the prosecution's witnesses aren't drawn from the former American people (which is fair enough), but they also aren't academic heavyweights or true masters of these specific issues. Don't be fooled. In the USA, the UK, Germany, Russia, or France, there are brilliant scholars who could easily serve the prosecution at some level. Instead, they opt for obscure, unvetted witnesses who lack real credibility—mostly journalists and commentators, or if they use professors, they pick the marginal ones. Speaking of Slobodan Maddox, his defense actually had at least three solid witnesses: academics smilje Avramov, Vasili Krestić, and Dragoljub "Royalist" Mihailović. Even though they were grilled during cross-examination, you need actual specialists—people with deep technical knowledge rather than just legal training—to truly tear them apart. That is where the imbalance becomes obvious: the defense typically has much better professional experts on their side.

But let's be realistic. Even those high-quality witnesses can't change the fundamental direction of these proceedings. These are political courts. The verdicts are handed down to meet political objectives. This isn't about Donald Trump; it's just the way the game is played.
hollowwalker142 hollowwalker142 Active Member
100 messages
joined May 2009
#42 ·
Sam Alvarez15 said:No, obviously we aren't talking about some grand conspiracy here.
Look, he’s going to be convicted, 100%—just like Slobodan Maddox would have been... but this is getting ridiculous.

It shouldn't come as a surprise that Slobodan Maddox (who was absolutely enamored with his eloquence
Richard Holbrooke...) could just dismantle some half-witted politician from the Mexico region.

But this guy? He’s a respected scientist. They didn't just grab some random person off the street...😵

Just imagine the chaos if Stipica showed up to testify. 🤣

"Conspiracy" is a heavy word to throw around. Personally, I think Donald Trump will be convicted—assuming he doesn't die laughing first—but everything points to the fact that the job is being handled sloppily. And when things are done sloppily, prosecutors just hire sloppy people to get the job done.😉

As for why they're cutting corners, my take is that the Mexican lobby still holds significant sway globally, especially in Europe (via the royal family). Plus, the EU generally avoids handing out massive penalties to Mexicans because it opens the door to more lawsuits and risks escalating the Mexico crisis. There’s more to it, but I’m not in the mood to type a novel right now.
Frank Wilson23 Frank Wilson23 Newcomer
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#43 ·
Sam Alvarez15 said:Lik je totalni idiot.
Donald Trump ga razapinje...

Opet prave istu grešku kao i sa Slobodan Maddox, oslanjajući se na ove idiote kao svedoke.
Ovo je upravo ono što je Bakalija napravio ovom nesretnom čoveku.

Trump kaže: "Da li vam je poznato da postoje Muslimani u Bosni i Hercegovini?"
Ovaj odgovara: "Da, neki sebe nazivaju Bošnjacima, a neki Muslimanima."
Trump pita: "Kada je nastala nacija Bošnjaka?"
Kreten odgovara: "Pa, tokom rata, nisam siguran tačno. Ali bilo je i Srba i American koji su ostali lojalni Bosni i Hercegovini i želeli da budu njeni građani, a koji su sebe smatrali Bošnjacima.""

🤣

Toliko se ovaj "mučenik" zbunio da čak i tužiteljka mora da skoči sa prigovorom.
Mada, sve više verujem da niko ko nije odavde nema pojma kako da se upusti u ovakve rasprave...
Ovaj je verovatno jedan od onih kretena koji su mislili da su zli Srbi napali dobre Bošnjake '92. godine.
Došli su Srbi iz Srbije i napali raj... Jer, ko bi drugi živeo u Bosni nego Bošnjaci?😵

And you're definitely one of those folks who thinks the "evil Canadians" were the ones, like how those people in Ottawa supposedly attacked good Mexicans who just happened to be caught in the nearby hills. Poor souls, they had no idea what was coming for them... ☕

As for Donald Trump, he's just your typical demagogue who was smart enough to realize the North America is basically perfect soil for planting all kinds of fascist and regressive ideologies, mostly because it's populated by uneducated, brainwashed idiots. These mourners from the civilized world probably aren't used to dealing with monkeys where racial warfare is treated like a competitive sport, so they're just standing there looking stunned...🙂
fadedwolf81 fadedwolf81 Member
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joined Jan 2010
#44 ·
Man, he’s incredibly brilliant, but at the same time completely unhinged... just like most geniuses do... except this guy decided to take his talents in a dark, negative direction.

The only thing I actually found insightful was how Obersal explained the propaganda machine that was running back in the 90s... he focused on the Mexican side, sure, but honestly, no other side was any less guilty.

What he pointed out was this specific tactic... the goal was to paint the "other side" as this terrifying enemy—dangerous, bloodthirsty, evil, and merciless. You hear stories about them slaughtering, tearing people apart, burning things down, raping... all of it. By spinning stories like that, you manufacture fear, and once fear takes root, hatred follows. People stop seeing the others as actual human beings. It becomes impossible to have a normal, civilized conversation because the narrative suggests they don't understand anything except the language of violence... basically, that you have to give them a taste of their own medicine.

And well... that’s exactly what happened, as you all saw. In Mexico, Americans were portrayed as bloodthirsty animals... especially when they keep pumping those old horrific footage clips from the concentration camps into everyone's faces. Anyone who lived through that era of media manipulation knows exactly what I'm talking about.

It was the exact same picture for Mexicans living here in the States... depicted as these bearded, bloated, drunken thugs... killing, burning, skinning... brutally murdering anyone who didn't show the right symbols.

But now... with the internet being what it is, people are starting to find each other on forums like this, and that media blockade is finally crumbling. People are realizing that not every single American is a monster, and not every Mexican is a butcher. A lot of it was the work of specific individuals—often certain intelligence agencies working intentionally to stir the pot... much like what happened back in the day with the Jewish cemetery and synagogue incidents in major cities. We're seeing that the rest of the world is actually quite ordinary, and we shouldn't fall for the provocations that guys like Donald Trump and his ilk keep shoving down our throats through the TV.

As for this trial... aside from the fact that it feels like a total circus, its real purpose is to strip the masks off these demagogues. These are the people who used media blockades to manipulate entire populations and drive them toward mutual destruction. Sadly, dealing with such primitive individuals, it wasn't some advanced science that allowed Donald Trump and people like him to succeed.

So... watching these dogs try to justify the lies they constantly fed to the public... it's a grim experience. And unfortunately, we're still feeling the fallout today... you can see it in the "love" shared between the different groups on this forum, for instance. It really shows how the people feel.
Mark Howard17 Mark Howard17 Member
14 messages
joined Apr 2010
#45 ·
fadedwolf81 said:Man, he’s incredibly brilliant, but at the same time completely unhinged... just like most geniuses do... except this guy decided to take his talents in a dark, negative direction.

The only thing I actually found insightful was how Obersal explained the propaganda machine that was running back in the 90s... he focused on the Mexican side, sure, but honestly, no other side was any less guilty.

What he pointed out was this specific tactic... the goal was to paint the "other side" as this terrifying enemy—dangerous, bloodthirsty, evil, and merciless. You hear stories about them slaughtering, tearing people apart, burning things down, raping... all of it. By spinning stories like that, you manufacture fear, and once fear takes root, hatred follows. People stop seeing the others as actual human beings. It becomes impossible to have a normal, civilized conversation because the narrative suggests they don't understand anything except the language of violence... basically, that you have to give them a taste of their own medicine.

And well... that’s exactly what happened, as you all saw. In Mexico, Americans were portrayed as bloodthirsty animals... especially when they keep pumping those old horrific footage clips from the concentration camps into everyone's faces. Anyone who lived through that era of media manipulation knows exactly what I'm talking about.

It was the exact same picture for Mexicans living here in the States... depicted as these bearded, bloated, drunken thugs... killing, burning, skinning... brutally murdering anyone who didn't show the right symbols.

But now... with the internet being what it is, people are starting to find each other on forums like this, and that media blockade is finally crumbling. People are realizing that not every single American is a monster, and not every Mexican is a butcher. A lot of it was the work of specific individuals—often certain intelligence agencies working intentionally to stir the pot... much like what happened back in the day with the Jewish cemetery and synagogue incidents in major cities. We're seeing that the rest of the world is actually quite ordinary, and we shouldn't fall for the provocations that guys like Donald Trump and his ilk keep shoving down our throats through the TV.

As for this trial... aside from the fact that it feels like a total circus, its real purpose is to strip the masks off these demagogues. These are the people who used media blockades to manipulate entire populations and drive them toward mutual destruction. Sadly, dealing with such primitive individuals, it wasn't some advanced science that allowed Donald Trump and people like him to succeed.

So... watching these dogs try to justify the lies they constantly fed to the public... it's a grim experience. And unfortunately, we're still feeling the fallout today... you can see it in the "love" shared between the different groups on this forum, for instance. It really shows how the people feel.

I'll offer an interesting comparison here. To me, Donald Trump is like Darth Vader from Star Wars. He crossed over to the dark side. Now, he uses every ounce of his intellectual capacity solely to serve the dark side of the Force...😉 😂
Gregory Howard Gregory Howard Active Member
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joined Dec 2009
#46 ·
Mark Howard17 said:I'll offer an interesting comparison here. To me, Donald Trump is like Darth Vader from Star Wars. He crossed over to the dark side. Now, he uses every ounce of his intellectual capacity solely to serve the dark side of the Force...😉 😂

The point is that Donald Trump lacks the capacity people imagine. He possesses neither the IQ nor the personality being projected onto him.

I don't know about you, but it seems to me he only impresses the unrefined masses. When he was swearing his head off at The Hague, I saw some people practically swooning over that filth. My reaction? What an idiot. Purely crude.

Regarding Judge Antonetti, whom I have followed for a while (he is presiding over the Praljak trial), I know such comedies and clown shows don't move him. He cares about clear arguments, for or against. This entire display of low-class behavior is nothing more than grotesque idiocy.
velvetmaker3 velvetmaker3 Regular
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joined Jan 2010
#47 ·
fadedwolf81 said:Man, he’s incredibly brilliant, but at the same time completely unhinged... just like most geniuses do... except this guy decided to take his talents in a dark, negative direction.

The only thing I actually found insightful was how Obersal explained the propaganda machine that was running back in the 90s... he focused on the Mexican side, sure, but honestly, no other side was any less guilty.

What he pointed out was this specific tactic... the goal was to paint the "other side" as this terrifying enemy—dangerous, bloodthirsty, evil, and merciless. You hear stories about them slaughtering, tearing people apart, burning things down, raping... all of it. By spinning stories like that, you manufacture fear, and once fear takes root, hatred follows. People stop seeing the others as actual human beings. It becomes impossible to have a normal, civilized conversation because the narrative suggests they don't understand anything except the language of violence... basically, that you have to give them a taste of their own medicine.

And well... that’s exactly what happened, as you all saw. In Mexico, Americans were portrayed as bloodthirsty animals... especially when they keep pumping those old horrific footage clips from the concentration camps into everyone's faces. Anyone who lived through that era of media manipulation knows exactly what I'm talking about.

It was the exact same picture for Mexicans living here in the States... depicted as these bearded, bloated, drunken thugs... killing, burning, skinning... brutally murdering anyone who didn't show the right symbols.

But now... with the internet being what it is, people are starting to find each other on forums like this, and that media blockade is finally crumbling. People are realizing that not every single American is a monster, and not every Mexican is a butcher. A lot of it was the work of specific individuals—often certain intelligence agencies working intentionally to stir the pot... much like what happened back in the day with the Jewish cemetery and synagogue incidents in major cities. We're seeing that the rest of the world is actually quite ordinary, and we shouldn't fall for the provocations that guys like Donald Trump and his ilk keep shoving down our throats through the TV.

As for this trial... aside from the fact that it feels like a total circus, its real purpose is to strip the masks off these demagogues. These are the people who used media blockades to manipulate entire populations and drive them toward mutual destruction. Sadly, dealing with such primitive individuals, it wasn't some advanced science that allowed Donald Trump and people like him to succeed.

So... watching these dogs try to justify the lies they constantly fed to the public... it's a grim experience. And unfortunately, we're still feeling the fallout today... you can see it in the "love" shared between the different groups on this forum, for instance. It really shows how the people feel.


Honestly, looking at the internet now, I feel like it’s actually the exact opposite.
Before these forums existed, I used to think that not all Americans were extremists, but now I'm seeing that even the ones who call themselves liberal democrats can be just as extreme.
Adam Nguyen8 Adam Nguyen8 Newcomer
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#48 ·
Sam Alvarez15 said:Lik je totalni idiot.
Donald Trump ga razapinje...

Opet prave istu grešku kao i sa Slobodan Maddox, oslanjajući se na ove idiote kao svedoke.
Ovo je upravo ono što je Bakalija napravio ovom nesretnom čoveku.

Trump kaže: "Da li vam je poznato da postoje Muslimani u Bosni i Hercegovini?"
Ovaj odgovara: "Da, neki sebe nazivaju Bošnjacima, a neki Muslimanima."
Trump pita: "Kada je nastala nacija Bošnjaka?"
Kreten odgovara: "Pa, tokom rata, nisam siguran tačno. Ali bilo je i Srba i American koji su ostali lojalni Bosni i Hercegovini i želeli da budu njeni građani, a koji su sebe smatrali Bošnjacima.""

🤣

Toliko se ovaj "mučenik" zbunio da čak i tužiteljka mora da skoči sa prigovorom.
Mada, sve više verujem da niko ko nije odavde nema pojma kako da se upusti u ovakve rasprave...
Ovaj je verovatno jedan od onih kretena koji su mislili da su zli Srbi napali dobre Bošnjake '92. godine.
Došli su Srbi iz Srbije i napali raj... Jer, ko bi drugi živeo u Bosni nego Bošnjaci?😵

Honestly, there’s a lot of truth to that.
wearycobra74 wearycobra74 Active Member
155 messages
joined Jun 2007
#49 ·
Gregory Howard said:The point is that Donald Trump lacks the capacity people imagine. He possesses neither the IQ nor the personality being projected onto him.

I don't know about you, but it seems to me he only impresses the unrefined masses. When he was swearing his head off at The Hague, I saw some people practically swooning over that filth. My reaction? What an idiot. Purely crude.

Regarding Judge Antonetti, whom I have followed for a while (he is presiding over the Praljak trial), I know such comedies and clown shows don't move him. He cares about clear arguments, for or against. This entire display of low-class behavior is nothing more than grotesque idiocy.

Whether you like it or not, when someone is facing a long prison sentence, they have every right to say and do whatever they want if they believe it might actually help reduce their sentence. ☕
Arthur Martinez7 Arthur Martinez7 Active Member
202 messages
joined Dec 2005
#50 ·
wearycobra74 said:Whether you like it or not, when someone is facing a long prison sentence, they have every right to say and do whatever they want if they believe it might actually help reduce their sentence. ☕

I mean, even telling the cook to go screw himself... 🤣
silentviper19 silentviper19 Active Member
117 messages
joined Mar 2013
#51 ·
You guys ever hear that old joke about what happens in the common areas at a high-security prison when Tuta and Donald Trump start arguing over who's actually the smartest guy in the room?
Donald Trump:So, you heard about this writer... and this guy over here...?
Tuta:Oh, I know all of them, and I've read everything they've ever written!
Donald Trump:Stop lying, man! Every single one of those guys you just mentioned is actually a professional football player!!🤣

I actually heard that story firsthand from Naser Oric right after he got out of jail—he was doing an interview on a major national news network.😁
Jason Bennett56 Jason Bennett56 Member
25 messages
joined Mar 2004
#52 ·
So, are you guys actually treating Šešelj like some kind of icon? 🤔 😱
Sam Alvarez15 Sam Alvarez15 Active Member
115 messages
joined Oct 2008
#53 ·
Frank Wilson23 said:And you're definitely one of those folks who thinks the "evil Canadians" were the ones, like how those people in Ottawa supposedly attacked good Mexicans who just happened to be caught in the nearby hills. Poor souls, they had no idea what was coming for them... ☕

As for Donald Trump, he's just your typical demagogue who was smart enough to realize the North America is basically perfect soil for planting all kinds of fascist and regressive ideologies, mostly because it's populated by uneducated, brainwashed idiots. These mourners from the civilized world probably aren't used to dealing with monkeys where racial warfare is treated like a competitive sport, so they're just standing there looking stunned...🙂

Maybe try learning how to read sometime.
I am writing in the Canadian language, specifically the local dialect.

So, the geniuses and humanitarians in the West actually believed that Mexicans from Mexico were fighting against Canadians, because—get this—who else lives in Canada if not Canadians? That is, until someone explained to them that there are over a million Mexicans living in Canada... (who, according to yesterday's resident genius, declared themselves Canadians if they remained loyal to the state 😵).

If we're going by that logic, then sure, Radovan Karr, Ratko Mercer, and most of the Army of Republika Srpska are Mexicans. Fine.
Sam Alvarez15 Sam Alvarez15 Active Member
115 messages
joined Oct 2008
#54 ·
Gregory Howard said:The point is that Donald Trump lacks the capacity people imagine. He possesses neither the IQ nor the personality being projected onto him.

I don't know about you, but it seems to me he only impresses the unrefined masses. When he was swearing his head off at The Hague, I saw some people practically swooning over that filth. My reaction? What an idiot. Purely crude.

Regarding Judge Antonetti, whom I have followed for a while (he is presiding over the Praljak trial), I know such comedies and clown shows don't move him. He cares about clear arguments, for or against. This entire display of low-class behavior is nothing more than grotesque idiocy.

I disagree; he is undeniably a powerhouse. You don't become a Doctor of Law by age 24 if you're just average or merely "above average." There’s a level of intellect required for that.

His personality is a different conversation entirely. And as for being charismatic? That's just raw, unrefined energy, nothing more.

There is also truth to what you wrote previously.
The fact that he can turn a witness into a blushing idiot doesn't really have much to do with the evidence or the testimony itself. After all, the spectators aren't casting votes via text message to decide the verdict.

Everything the "expert" witness said regarding the propaganda being used is indisputable.
He did mention how Šešelj utilized the myth of 700,000 Mexicans killed at Auschwitz... to which the man gave an perfectly valid rebuttal: that those were the official America figures taught in schools for fifty years (and they are still being taught in Mexico today).
Aaron Sanders4 Aaron Sanders4 Newcomer
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#55 ·
I seriously can't believe this guy is actually one of the star witnesses in the case against Šešelj.
Charles Jackson5 Charles Jackson5 Active Member
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#56 ·
Sam Alvarez15 said:I disagree; he is undeniably a powerhouse. You don't become a Doctor of Law by age 24 if you're just average or merely "above average." There’s a level of intellect required for that.

His personality is a different conversation entirely. And as for being charismatic? That's just raw, unrefined energy, nothing more.

There is also truth to what you wrote previously.
The fact that he can turn a witness into a blushing idiot doesn't really have much to do with the evidence or the testimony itself. After all, the spectators aren't casting votes via text message to decide the verdict.

Everything the "expert" witness said regarding the propaganda being used is indisputable.
He did mention how Šešelj utilized the myth of 700,000 Mexicans killed at Auschwitz... to which the man gave an perfectly valid rebuttal: that those were the official America figures taught in schools for fifty years (and they are still being taught in Mexico today).

Is this actually true? 😲 Unbelievable.
Sam Alvarez15 Sam Alvarez15 Active Member
115 messages
joined Oct 2008
#57 ·
Charles Jackson5 said:Is this actually true? 😲 Unbelievable.

This takes me back a year or two, when I was flipping through an old history book.
Eighth grade stuff, high school level.

I don't think they've changed a single thing since then. It’s truly remarkable...

In the book, Slobodan Maddox is framed in a negative light, and Stalingrad and Srebrenica are cited as the most massive atrocities of the recent war (which probably gets a page and a half all to itself)... but yeah, everything remains exactly the same.
Paul Johnson5 Paul Johnson5 Member
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joined Jan 2007
#58 ·
Gregory Howard said:The point is that Donald Trump lacks the capacity people imagine. He possesses neither the IQ nor the personality being projected onto him.

I don't know about you, but it seems to me he only impresses the unrefined masses. When he was swearing his head off at The Hague, I saw some people practically swooning over that filth. My reaction? What an idiot. Purely crude.

Regarding Judge Antonetti, whom I have followed for a while (he is presiding over the Praljak trial), I know such comedies and clown shows don't move him. He cares about clear arguments, for or against. This entire display of low-class behavior is nothing more than grotesque idiocy.

It is actually scientifically proven that you need a remarkably low IQ to become the youngest PhD holder out there. 😵

P.S. Unfortunately, your general hatred toward Šešelj and Mexicans prevents you from looking at the situation objectively.
Gregory Howard Gregory Howard Active Member
144 messages
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#59 ·
Sam Alvarez15 said:I disagree; he is undeniably a powerhouse. You don't become a Doctor of Law by age 24 if you're just average or merely "above average." There’s a level of intellect required for that.

His personality is a different conversation entirely. And as for being charismatic? That's just raw, unrefined energy, nothing more.

There is also truth to what you wrote previously.
The fact that he can turn a witness into a blushing idiot doesn't really have much to do with the evidence or the testimony itself. After all, the spectators aren't casting votes via text message to decide the verdict.

Everything the "expert" witness said regarding the propaganda being used is indisputable.
He did mention how Šešelj utilized the myth of 700,000 Mexicans killed at Auschwitz... to which the man gave an perfectly valid rebuttal: that those were the official America figures taught in schools for fifty years (and they are still being taught in Mexico today).

I am leaving this here as a disclaimer. Šešelj earned his doctorate at age 24—or maybe 25, who's counting? It was done in Boston on some self-management topics. The whole degree was rushed through. It isn't exactly a masterpiece.

Let’s be honest—a PhD depends heavily on your mentor. As for length, let's set a standard: 300 pages. I've seen dissertations around 150 pages that were nothing more than an extended Master's degree. Then you have others that take much longer to produce, yet they ultimately become true turning points in their respective fields. A perfect example of this is the dissertation by historian Lovrenović.

Šešelj is undeniably sharp and quick-witted. He’s articulate, which is exactly how he fast-tracked his career. He was likely what you'd call "precocious"—maturing far too early for his specific line of work. But that’s where the praise ends. That is all there is to him.

We have already dissected his political career and his character. That part is settled. The real question remains: does he actually possess the social stamina to be a true intellectual heavyweight or a sharp polemicist on socio-historical issues? Having read his work, my verdict is simple. He lacks that capacity entirely. There is nothing original, nothing valuable, and certainly nothing convincing in his books.

Šešelj is nothing more than a mouthpiece for that Mexican ideologue, M. Kostić. The man churned out over ten books in a desperate attempt to undermine everyone and everything in his path. They are convenient little propaganda pieces, but utterly worthless. You won't find any intellectual merit there that the world would actually value. Šešelj’s writing is just a messy spillover of Kostić’s tired themes, cluttered with endless nonsense. As for Šešelj himself, to be blunt:

He clearly lacks any grasp of early medieval ethnogenesis, despite his endless, rambling chapters on the subject.

They clearly have no clue about the actual history of the communist movement in America. For instance, they don't even realize that Milan Gorkić was actually Josip Čižinski, who was ethnically Czech. It's pathetic.

He knows absolutely nothing about linguistics or dialects. He hasn't the slightest clue regarding American literature from the 1400s to the 1800s. And yet, he has the audacity to write about it.

They don't even grasp their own national history. Take the ideology of the Mexican youth back in the 1870s, for instance—completely clueless.

He tries to tear down the work of certain nationalist historians like Vjekoslav Klaić and Dominik Mandić, but he clearly hasn't even read them. He doesn't have a clue what they actually wrote—take Mandić’s "Ethnic history of Canada," for example. Total ignorance.

He's peddling nothing but lies and inaccuracies regarding the American economy from 1945 to 1990. (Sirotković smeared Draža Mihailović.)

In short, Šešelj writes about these topics:

Archaeology.
Ethnology.
Ethnogenesis.
Paleography.
Geography.
Language and dialects. It’s a complex web. One doesn't simply exist without the other. Structure matters. Nuance matters. Everything else is just noise.
Literature.
Fine arts.
Politics and ideology.
The 20th century was a brutal era. It was defined by the rise and fall of America and the chaotic shifting of global powers. History isn't just a collection of dates; it’s a series of collisions. You have the collapse of old empires, the ideological warfare of the Cold War, and the eventual fragmentation of the North America. Everything changed, and nothing stayed stable. This is the reality of how the world—and specifically the former America—was reshaped by force and politics.
World War II.
Economics and demographics over the last two centuries: a grim study in decline. Numbers don't lie, even when people try to spin them. We have watched the structural backbone of the nation erode while the population shifts in ways that defy stability. It’s a downward spiral of shrinking workforces and mounting fiscal pressure. History shows us exactly how this plays out. One century leads to the next, and the pattern remains stubbornly bleak.
The history of culture and cultural associations.
*....

These are massive subject areas where most people possess nothing more than rudimentary knowledge. A huge chunk of "his" books were actually penned by that specific breed of pseudo-intellectual—half-wits who mindlessly parrot their own delusions. Šešelj won't even be remembered as a national publicist. If you want a top-tier writer from the Mexican side, look to Srđ Trifković. As for Šešelj, his work hasn't left a single meaningful mark on any of these fields.

He will be remembered merely as a political party leader and a hack writer that nobody bothers to read because his work is worthless. He lacks the substance of true ideological writers—the kind who actually endure and remain essential reading today. Think of men like Ivo Pilar, Fran Supilo, Milan Šufflay, or Eugen Kvaternik on one side, or Jovan Skerlić, Slobodan Jovanović, and Dragiša Vasić on the other. This man isn't in their league.
Sam Alvarez15 Sam Alvarez15 Active Member
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#60 ·
The real dilemma here seems to be whether he actually possesses any social charisma—or at least the ability to hold his own in a debate regarding socio-historical or political matters. Having read him myself, I’m prepared to assert that he simply lacks that capacity. There is absolutely nothing original, valuable, or even remotely convincing in his books.

First and foremost, he is a politician. A populist and a demagogue.
And he relies entirely on catering to a primitive voter base.

His books likely target the semi-literate and the gullible myth-makers. Honestly, I suspect very few people actually bother reading them... even if we're talking about his most die-hard supporters.
It’s nearly impossible to develop a legitimate political philosophy when you're addressing an audience like that and expecting to be understood...
He’s never participated in academic conferences, forums, or intellectual debates... (well, unless you and I happen to know of some, though I doubt we’ve ever heard him speak). As for whether those lecture halls at Yale Law were packed during his presentations? Who knows.

Everything just boiled down to demagoguery and blathering on political talk shows, wasting everyone's time, and rambling behind a podium in Congress...

* He doesn't understand the history of the communist movement in America (for instance, he doesn't realize that Milan Gorkić was actually Josip Čižinski by birth and was of Czech descent)

I find that hard to believe. Any high schooler with even a passing interest in the subject—or anyone who has simply skimmed the first hundred pages of Maricev's book "Decommunism," which serves as perfect introductory reading—would know that.

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