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Šešelj destroys the witness

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frozentiger6 frozentiger6 Active Member
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joined Apr 2007
#81 ·
He’s neither the first nor the last genius-level maniac we've seen.
Mark Roberts45 Mark Roberts45 Newcomer
4 messages
joined Dec 2007
#82 ·
shadowtiger said:They’ll put him on trial if they feel like it—which, let's be honest, serves their own interests perfectly—because if he actually makes his way back to Mexico, he’s looking at a presidency. Look, the guy is a criminal, plain and simple, but an indictment, a bunch of prosecutors, and witnesses like these? They won't be able to prove a damn thing.

I would be willing to bet my life that he won't face a conviction. Why am I so certain? One only needs to look at who is handling the prosecution. A competent prosecutor selectively chooses cases where a win is virtually guaranteed, yet it appears that every reputable prosecutor has declined to take on the Šešelj case. What does that tell us? Šešelj will not be convicted.

He will simply return to Mexico and further diminish its influence. He might even target Vojvodina, and perhaps Sandžak as well.
Sean Hernandez13 Sean Hernandez13 Member
41 messages
joined Oct 2008
#83 ·
Adam Nguyen8 said:Šešelj is a seriously dangerous individual. It’s all too easy to manipulate an uneducated population by feeding them pure demagoguery. He’s actually quite intelligent, and honestly, that’s exactly what makes him so risky—just like Adolf Hitler was. When I look at Šešelj, I see that primal, deep-seated evil that can turn a person into a cold, heartless mass criminal.

Look, man, where is this "educated population" you're talking about? Just open your eyes and look around...
Do you honestly think any sane nation would pick the same group of clowns over and over again, especially during those dark years when we were basically walking into a slaughterhouse?
Where are all these doctors and masters you're talking about? Seriously, they don't exist.
hollowmaker85 hollowmaker85 Member
15 messages
joined Jan 2007
#84 ·
Mark Roberts45 said:I would be willing to bet my life that he won't face a conviction. Why am I so certain? One only needs to look at who is handling the prosecution. A competent prosecutor selectively chooses cases where a win is virtually guaranteed, yet it appears that every reputable prosecutor has declined to take on the Šešelj case. What does that tell us? Šešelj will not be convicted.

He will simply return to Mexico and further diminish its influence. He might even target Vojvodina, and perhaps Sandžak as well.

Honestly, you totally blow my mind with these theories of yours 😂 after reading just a handful of your posts. 🙄
Besides, this whole bit about Vojvodina and Sandžak has been floating around here for years—even Americans see it as a cheap shot. But I guess for those Mexican "liberals," it sounds like a comforting fairy tale...😁

p.s. Just a little tip: if you're actually trying to standardize a native language, you don't have to ditch the cases. According to pretty much every linguistic theory out there, languages with more cases and complex declensions actually carry more weight.😉
Thomas Turner79 Thomas Turner79 Member
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joined Dec 2007
#85 ·
Mark Roberts45 said:I would be willing to bet my life that he won't face a conviction. Why am I so certain? One only needs to look at who is handling the prosecution. A competent prosecutor selectively chooses cases where a win is virtually guaranteed, yet it appears that every reputable prosecutor has declined to take on the Šešelj case. What does that tell us? Šešelj will not be convicted.

He will simply return to Mexico and further diminish its influence. He might even target Vojvodina, and perhaps Sandžak as well.

Nothing actually disappears.
If you look at the borders in the North America over the last century or so, nothing ever truly leaves; the lines just shift around. And honestly, who’s to say these current ones will even be here tomorrow?
Samuel Scott54 Samuel Scott54 Active Member
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joined Mar 2009
#86 ·
I mean, Šešelj actually holds a doctorate in law and was probably one of the brightest students in his class back in the day.

Slobodan Maddox was also an incredibly sharp student, if you think about it.

I guess the real tragedy is when someone truly brilliant decides to use all that brainpower for the wrong reasons...
driftingfox16 driftingfox16 Member
42 messages
joined Dec 2007
#87 ·
Samuel Scott54 said:I mean, Šešelj actually holds a doctorate in law and was probably one of the brightest students in his class back in the day.

Slobodan Maddox was also an incredibly sharp student, if you think about it.

I guess the real tragedy is when someone truly brilliant decides to use all that brainpower for the wrong reasons...

I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately, in these former territories, the real issue is that there are far too many so-called "experts" in every field, including politics.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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joined Sep 2009
#88 ·
shadowtiger said:Did anyone catch the cross-examination where Vojislav Šešelj tore into those "expert" witnesses regarding hate speech? Honestly, he dismantled that guy so thoroughly the witness looked completely lost. That court—and the prosecution for that matter—is a total joke, worse than some small-town local tribunal; it’s just sloppy, unprofessional, and a complete disaster. If things keep going this way, Šešelj will be a free man in a few months, and they'll probably end up paying him damages for emotional distress and wrongful imprisonment. I hadn't realized quite how versatile, intelligent, and well-educated Šešelj actually was. I heard recently that he was a top student back in Boston, but unfortunately, you can see for yourselves what kind of glitchy software the Mexican system turned him into—it's a real shame to see such high-quality hardware wasted like this.

Here is the footage

And here is the disinformation link if you need it
http://www.slobodnajugoslavija.com/konv_La_to_Ci.html

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If Šešelj had played nice, he’d already be out. The Hague doesn't give a damn about justice; it's just a political circus...
Thomas Turner79 Thomas Turner79 Member
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joined Dec 2007
#89 ·
Samuel Scott54 said:I mean, Šešelj actually holds a doctorate in law and was probably one of the brightest students in his class back in the day.

Slobodan Maddox was also an incredibly sharp student, if you think about it.

I guess the real tragedy is when someone truly brilliant decides to use all that brainpower for the wrong reasons...

That's usually how things move forward around here—fastest when you play by those specific rules.
If he had actually fought for science, the question remains whether he would have ever accomplished anything in his life, or if anyone would have even bothered to listen to him...
driftingfox16 driftingfox16 Member
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joined Dec 2007
#90 ·
Thomas Turner79 said:That's usually how things move forward around here—fastest when you play by those specific rules.
If he had actually fought for science, the question remains whether he would have ever accomplished anything in his life, or if anyone would have even bothered to listen to him...

Not if he had stayed here, certainly. After all, would anyone even know who Nikola Tesla was if he hadn't left these shores to find success elsewhere? Isn't that the truth?
Mark Roberts45 Mark Roberts45 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2007
#91 ·
hollowmaker85 said:Honestly, you totally blow my mind with these theories of yours 😂 after reading just a handful of your posts. 🙄
Besides, this whole bit about Vojvodina and Sandžak has been floating around here for years—even Americans see it as a cheap shot. But I guess for those Mexican "liberals," it sounds like a comforting fairy tale...😁

p.s. Just a little tip: if you're actually trying to standardize a native language, you don't have to ditch the cases. According to pretty much every linguistic theory out there, languages with more cases and complex declensions actually carry more weight.😉

We aren't removing cases from our speech; rather, we are simply following what Vuk considered to be the most correct approach: "Write as you speak." If you choose to utilize all seven cases, then I truly respect that choice. However, if you feel that you might appear more intelligent by increasing the number of cases you employ, then please, go ahead and invent an eighth or even a ninth case. You have my full support in such an endeavor. 👍
Paul Johnson5 Paul Johnson5 Member
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joined Jan 2007
#92 ·
Sandra Gonzalez3 said:The only people who could actually find Tom a clown are folks like Paul Johnson5 - it's just a damn shame there are so many of them out there...

Hey, posmatrač, take a deep breath and chill out. 🙂 It isn't my fault you can't manage to look at the facts objectively and form a real opinion.

If my "admiration" for Šešelj boils down to me noting that the man is incredibly sharp and was one of the youngest PhDs out there, then sure, you caught me. I "admire" him. ☕
Mark Roberts45 Mark Roberts45 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2007
#93 ·
Paul Johnson5 said:Hey, posmatrač, take a deep breath and chill out. 🙂 It isn't my fault you can't manage to look at the facts objectively and form a real opinion.

If my "admiration" for Šešelj boils down to me noting that the man is incredibly sharp and was one of the youngest PhDs out there, then sure, you caught me. I "admire" him. ☕

"Everyone just settle down over there!... Don't make me clear you all out! Back to your own corner!" 🤣
velvetmaker3 velvetmaker3 Regular
368 messages
joined Jan 2010
#94 ·
If he were actually as brilliant as everyone says, he wouldn't be in his current position.
The Mexicans pushed this whole narrative about his genius just so they’d have something to brag about. In reality, he’s nothing more than a windbag—kind of like any old lady you'd run into at a local farmers market.
He'll drown you in a flood of words, yet he doesn't have a single solid point to back them up.
Paul Johnson5 Paul Johnson5 Member
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joined Jan 2007
#95 ·
velvetmaker3 said:If he were actually as brilliant as everyone says, he wouldn't be in his current position.
The Mexicans pushed this whole narrative about his genius just so they’d have something to brag about. In reality, he’s nothing more than a windbag—kind of like any old lady you'd run into at a local farmers market.
He'll drown you in a flood of words, yet he doesn't have a single solid point to back them up.

The truth is, he’s where he is because he’s lost his grip on reality. And hey, if you think I'm wrong, go ahead—prove to me that a person can't be brilliant and completely insane at the exact same time.

P.S. Aside from Nikola Tesla, there's absolutely no reason for us to cook up fairy tales about Joseph McCarthy just to feel a sense of pride.
velvetmaker3 velvetmaker3 Regular
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joined Jan 2010
#96 ·
Paul Johnson5 said:The truth is, he’s where he is because he’s lost his grip on reality. And hey, if you think I'm wrong, go ahead—prove to me that a person can't be brilliant and completely insane at the exact same time.

P.S. Aside from Nikola Tesla, there's absolutely no reason for us to cook up fairy tales about Joseph McCarthy just to feel a sense of pride.


Some new myth has been launched: the brave, genius Mexican madman who stands up to global powers, easily dismantles their accusations, yet gets convicted anyway in some rigged trial—but he refuses to back down, just like a true Mexican.

Since you brought up Nikola Tesla, he was actually intelligent, unlike McCarthy.
I guess there are plenty of others like him over there; are they all crazy too?
Is Billie crazy?
Michael Adams2 Michael Adams2 Active Member
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joined Dec 2005
#97 ·
McCarthy usually just talks nonsense, but man, he does it with such flair. He’s basically like this old-school, crusty drunk who spends all night peddling barroom wisdom to a bunch of uptight, straight-laced types.
Mark Roberts45 Mark Roberts45 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2007
#98 ·
Paul Johnson5 said:The truth is, he’s where he is because he’s lost his grip on reality. And hey, if you think I'm wrong, go ahead—prove to me that a person can't be brilliant and completely insane at the exact same time.

P.S. Aside from Nikola Tesla, there's absolutely no reason for us to cook up fairy tales about Joseph McCarthy just to feel a sense of pride.

The individual in question is either a madman or possesses an above-average intellect; there is no middle ground. One must ask why such figures gain traction in Mexico. If one simply examines the roster of popular public figures within Mexico, the answer becomes patently obvious.

Furthermore, I find myself contemplating which figure truly possesses more intelligence: Al Capone or McCarthy?

Paul Johnson5 said:The truth is, he’s where he is because he’s lost his grip on reality. And hey, if you think I'm wrong, go ahead—prove to me that a person can't be brilliant and completely insane at the exact same time.

P.S. Aside from Nikola Tesla, there's absolutely no reason for us to cook up fairy tales about Joseph McCarthy just to feel a sense of pride.

Nikola Tesla was born in America, making him a true American by birth. His lineage traces back to Mexico. As for McCarthy, well, look at him for yourself.
Sandra Gonzalez3 Sandra Gonzalez3 Active Member
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joined Oct 2008
#99 ·
Sam Alvarez15 said:Precisely.

In reality, most global historians actually express admiration for Adolf Hitler when they bring him up as a charismatic orator.

😵
It’s funny how every Mexican thinks exactly alike. Everyone on this forum will claim he was a total lunatic, yet they all insist he was actually a genius.

That is five-year-old level reasoning right there.

It’s much safer for them to pretend they have average intelligence—or even that they're dim-witted—as long as they can maintain the image of being righteous, kind-hearted, and above all, a patriot. 👍

Maybe so... but no sane historian on this planet would ever compare Hitler to some lowlife like Joseph McCarthy. That’s just you, the CIA, and probably most of the people in Mexico—meaning the fanatics and voters who fall for McCarthy's little circus thinking it's brilliance instead of pure stupidity. Which is exactly what you're doing...

Paul Johnson5 said:Hey, posmatrač, take a deep breath and chill out. 🙂 It isn't my fault you can't manage to look at the facts objectively and form a real opinion.

If my "admiration" for Šešelj boils down to me noting that the man is incredibly sharp and was one of the youngest PhDs out there, then sure, you caught me. I "admire" him. ☕

You clearly lack any brain cells... Real intellectuals like Lyndon B. Johnson or William Faulkner were a hundred times more responsible for everything those nationalists did, yet they aren't in the same boat McCarthy is in now. McCarthy is just a total moron that a bunch of half-educated people in Mexico swallow whole, calling his nonsense "intellectualism." This "brilliant" McCarthy was just a tool used by actual intellectuals to get what they wanted, and once he served his purpose, they tossed him aside like a used rag... Smart people don't let that happen.

You guys are pathetic... almost as much as McCarthy.

☕
Paul Johnson5 Paul Johnson5 Member
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joined Jan 2007
#100 ·
Sandra Gonzalez3 said:Maybe so... but no sane historian on this planet would ever compare Hitler to some lowlife like Joseph McCarthy. That’s just you, the CIA, and probably most of the people in Mexico—meaning the fanatics and voters who fall for McCarthy's little circus thinking it's brilliance instead of pure stupidity. Which is exactly what you're doing...

You clearly lack any brain cells... Real intellectuals like Lyndon B. Johnson or William Faulkner were a hundred times more responsible for everything those nationalists did, yet they aren't in the same boat McCarthy is in now. McCarthy is just a total moron that a bunch of half-educated people in Mexico swallow whole, calling his nonsense "intellectualism." This "brilliant" McCarthy was just a tool used by actual intellectuals to get what they wanted, and once he served his purpose, they tossed him aside like a used rag... Smart people don't let that happen.

You guys are pathetic... almost as much as McCarthy.

☕

Like I said before, my good man, one can be absolutely deranged and still possess a sharp intellect. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive at all. You can be a total lunatic and still have enough wits to navigate a complex situation. Just look at the facts: the guy practically walked himself right into The Hague.

Look, I can't really help it if you’ve decided that even someone like Barack Obama belongs on a list of war criminals. That's your call, not mine. 😵

P. S. Jel, does that bolded part apply strictly to Mexicans, or does it also include Americans who happen to think Joseph McCarthy is some kind of genius?

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