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Are homophobes just closeted?

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Jonathan Kim4 Jonathan Kim4 MemberOP
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#121 ·
Alright folks, hats off to you all.

You guys really went all out last night, didn't you?

This whole discussion is actually starting to look like a real debate—but, well, let's be honest here...

The real issue at hand is the homophobe, not the homosexuals.😁😁😁😁😁😁
silentheron25 silentheron25 Newcomer
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#122 ·
Stop talking nonsense. Everyone’s trying so hard to act wise, but honestly, the ones signing off on everyone else's opinions are the most ridiculous. Look, my little girl doesn't want to listen to music or go for motorcycle rides with me, even though I love it—suddenly she's some kind of "phobe" because of that? Fact is, there's men and there's women. Men have this, women have that. Both exist for a purpose. He exists to enter her, she exists to receive him; his purpose is to relieve himself, not to be the one receiving. When he enters her without protection, life happens naturally. Of course, "normal" is subjective, but isn't it more natural for a man and woman to sleep together and have a child than for a guy to just ejaculate, freeze the sperm, and then years later some woman decides to have a kid on her own using that lab-grown nonsense we manufacture? It was "normal" for pedophiles in the Netherlands to demand they could legally abuse 12-year-olds, right? To some people, it's normal to beat an animal; to them, it makes sense. To a homo, being gay is normal. So what's actually normal? A natural relationship or test tubes? Him in her or her in him? We know the answer, and it certainly isn't whatever political party is in power right now. You neo-liberals are exhausting with all this constant support for "democracy" and "personal choice." Down in the South, God and Jesus are the main things people swear by—is that normal too? Because everyone has the right to say whatever they want in a democracy. Just stop with the stupidity. His purpose is to relieve himself, not to receive; that's the whole point. If they try to change his biological purpose because they have nothing better to do, that's just a disorder.
Jonathan Kim4 Jonathan Kim4 MemberOP
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#123 ·
It’s not easy for you either, kid...

A wise woman once said something that really sticks with me: you need a license to operate a motorcycle, yet any idiot can go about making a child without one...

And honestly, it doesn't matter who's picking on whom—whether you personally approve of their lifestyle or not—what actually matters is why you feel the need to lash out at them when they aren't touching you or your business.
Kevin Brooks11 Kevin Brooks11 Newcomer
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#124 ·
Look, come on, let’s be real here—God made men and women, plain and simple, not some weird male-male or female-female thing. Homosexuals are just fundamentally broken people, and honestly, we need to go in there and beat them down properly.
Jonathan Kim4 Jonathan Kim4 MemberOP
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#125 ·
Are you all just incredibly dim, blind, or do you simply lack basic reading comprehension skills?

I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT GAY PEOPLE—I AM TALKING ABOUT HOMOPHOBES.

For heaven's sake, at least try to read the headline if you can't be bothered to tackle the intro.
silverscout15 silverscout15 Member
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#126 ·
We’ve lost the plot a little bit here. We keep talking about gay people instead of focusing on homophobes. Can we get back on track? 🙂
Look, by definition, a homophobe is someone who carries an irrational fear of anyone with a homosexual orientation and—more importantly—actually acts on it. Like one young guy pointed out earlier, they'll all lose their minds trying to force themselves on us. We'd be walking down the street terrified, too scared to even bend over to tie our sneakers because they'd jump us immediately. Or, as another guy put it, they'd probably be aiming for something else entirely.
No! I wouldn't say that a certain segment of the population across the globe believing this lifestyle is improper or unnatural counts as homophobia. I mean, if we truly insist on democracy—and we do—then we have to allow people to hold their own opinions, no matter what they are. In other words, thinking "gay is not okay" isn't being a homophobe. Homophobia is when you bash someone's head in just because they're gay. That's just basic self-defense at that point.
William Gonzalez3 William Gonzalez3 Regular
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#127 ·
silverscout15 said:We’ve lost the plot a little bit here. We keep talking about gay people instead of focusing on homophobes. Can we get back on track? 🙂
Look, by definition, a homophobe is someone who carries an irrational fear of anyone with a homosexual orientation and—more importantly—actually acts on it. Like one young guy pointed out earlier, they'll all lose their minds trying to force themselves on us. We'd be walking down the street terrified, too scared to even bend over to tie our sneakers because they'd jump us immediately. Or, as another guy put it, they'd probably be aiming for something else entirely.
No! I wouldn't say that a certain segment of the population across the globe believing this lifestyle is improper or unnatural counts as homophobia. I mean, if we truly insist on democracy—and we do—then we have to allow people to hold their own opinions, no matter what they are. In other words, thinking "gay is not okay" isn't being a homophobe. Homophobia is when you bash someone's head in just because they're gay. That's just basic self-defense at that point.

but is there such a thing as a rational fear?
😕
Since when?
And if a "rational fear" doesn't even exist, then why did you go out of your way to specify that homophobia is an irrational fear?

Also, just so we're clear—anyone who thinks being gay isn't perfectly fine is a homophobe, and honestly, they're just closeted homosexuals.
It’s not that they’re afraid of gay people out in the world; rather, they're terrified of the part of themselves they can't accept—if I can put it that way.
They simply aren't ready to admit to themselves that they are actually homosexual.
Every single one of them.
I'd say ninety percent of men are closeted,
and the other ten percent are openly gay.
Which leads me to wonder why women should even bother worrying about it—I mean, what kind of women are they if men are increasingly seeking refuge in each other's arms?
silentheron25 silentheron25 Newcomer
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#128 ·
I’m genuinely curious about this whole "homophobe" label. Are we talking about cowards who are actually terrified of gay people? Is a homophobe just someone too scared to face those hooligans or stadium thugs you guys wouldn't stand a chance against in a real fight anyway? It's easy to act like a philosopher behind a screen, but I bet none of you would have the guts to say that to a fanatic's face. Honestly, you’re all just closeted, admit it 😁 🤣 🤣. Look, I don't like gay people, but I'm not shaking in my boots. If they jumped me, I'd handle them, though I wouldn't go looking for trouble out of nowhere. Sure, maybe I'm a little nervous walking toward a stadium on game day if I have to sneak past the rowdiest section of the stands—call me whatever you want. Or maybe I'm a Ford-phobe because I'm worried they won't sell any more Fiestas anytime soon. So, what's the logic here? Does anyone who disagrees with homosexuality automatically become one? By that logic, almost every man in the country is gay. How did women even manage to have kids with all these "homophobes"?
Listen, you jerk, if you need someone to pull strings just so you can get a motorcycle license because you can't learn to ride on your own, just grab a scooter. You're a lost cause. 👎 That's it. I'm done with this thread.
Jonathan Kim4 Jonathan Kim4 MemberOP
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#129 ·
You’re totally missing the point here...

And I don't know how many times I have to reiterate this—we aren't talking about people who simply hold a dislike for homosexuals, but rather those who actually take specific actions to inflict physical or psychological harm just to satisfy their own twisted sense of gratification.

Look, if you see two gay guys—though, honestly, one could argue about how you even determine someone's orientation unless you happen to catch them in the act—and you decide to beat them up or hurl insults at them for absolutely no reason other than the fact that they were walking down the street, all so you can brag about "taking down two queers" or whatever...

Do you follow me now, my friend?
William Gonzalez3 William Gonzalez3 Regular
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#130 ·
Jonathan Kim4 said:You’re totally missing the point here...

And I don't know how many times I have to reiterate this—we aren't talking about people who simply hold a dislike for homosexuals, but rather those who actually take specific actions to inflict physical or psychological harm just to satisfy their own twisted sense of gratification.

Look, if you see two gay guys—though, honestly, one could argue about how you even determine someone's orientation unless you happen to catch them in the act—and you decide to beat them up or hurl insults at them for absolutely no reason other than the fact that they were walking down the street, all so you can brag about "taking down two queers" or whatever...

Do you follow me now, my friend?

well, then you homosexuals must be crazier than they are.
I mean, they represent maybe a tiny fraction of the total population—and even that might be an overstatement.
You’re obsessing over some minuscule group that is smaller and arguably less significant to the overall population than you are, all while acting completely appalled by who they are.
Maybe I'm being a bit slow, but I truly don't see the logic in any of this.
By focusing on them like this, you're essentially giving them a level of importance they simply don't possess.
But hey, if it makes you feel better, go right ahead.
silverscout15 silverscout15 Member
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#131 ·
William Gonzalez3 said:but is there such a thing as a rational fear?
😕
Since when?
And if a "rational fear" doesn't even exist, then why did you go out of your way to specify that homophobia is an irrational fear?

Also, just so we're clear—anyone who thinks being gay isn't perfectly fine is a homophobe, and honestly, they're just closeted homosexuals.
It’s not that they’re afraid of gay people out in the world; rather, they're terrified of the part of themselves they can't accept—if I can put it that way.
They simply aren't ready to admit to themselves that they are actually homosexual.
Every single one of them.
I'd say ninety percent of men are closeted,
and the other ten percent are openly gay.
Which leads me to wonder why women should even bother worrying about it—I mean, what kind of women are they if men are increasingly seeking refuge in each other's arms?

Man, where did I get this idea to start reminiscing about old college lectures on a Sunday?? Laziness is a sin, so let's dive in... fears, among other things, are split into rational and irrational. Rational fears have a logical basis: For instance, if someone is following you while you're walking along a dark trail near a park at 3 AM, and that person starts screaming and sprinting toward you—if you feel fear that they might attack you, that fear is rational and justified. Well, we could say that. Even though, obviously, it doesn't mean it *will* happen. That same person could just be a weirdo jogging through the park while yelling because it's their "thing." But, if you're walking that same path and hear footsteps behind you, and you automatically assume the owner of those feet is going to jump you and rob you blind, then your fear is irrational. It's irrational because it lacks a logical foundation. If it were logical, we'd all be taught that people walking in single file at night on trails are constantly attacking each other.
What I'm saying is, if I'm afraid that any homosexual person threatens my integrity, then that fear is irrational.

Yeah, sure, 90% of men are closeted homosexuals. I bet you know that because you surveyed every man on Earth and every single one of them told you they keep a toy in their nightstand. And I guess 90% of women are closeted homosexuals too, since 90% of them would probably say female bodies are beautiful.

And yeah, I am personally deeply concerned about that alarming 10% statistic. See, I date pretty much every guy I meet, and I take it very personally when they run off into a man's embrace. Gross, just gross, gross!
silverscout15 silverscout15 Member
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#132 ·
William Gonzalez3 said:well, then you homosexuals must be crazier than they are.
I mean, they represent maybe a tiny fraction of the total population—and even that might be an overstatement.
You’re obsessing over some minuscule group that is smaller and arguably less significant to the overall population than you are, all while acting completely appalled by who they are.
Maybe I'm being a bit slow, but I truly don't see the logic in any of this.
By focusing on them like this, you're essentially giving them a level of importance they simply don't possess.
But hey, if it makes you feel better, go right ahead.

Smaller. Insignificant. Let's just fence off one part of town with barbed wire, then sit around judging them. We won't even bother discussing it because why bother? It's pointless. But sure, let's enjoy ourselves! And in our spare time, we can brainstorm even more repressive ways to prove we're the majority. In the total population, that is—not just in whatever niche you're living in.
Jonathan Kim4 Jonathan Kim4 MemberOP
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#133 ·
William Gonzalez3 said:well, then you homosexuals must be crazier than they are.
I mean, they represent maybe a tiny fraction of the total population—and even that might be an overstatement.
You’re obsessing over some minuscule group that is smaller and arguably less significant to the overall population than you are, all while acting completely appalled by who they are.
Maybe I'm being a bit slow, but I truly don't see the logic in any of this.
By focusing on them like this, you're essentially giving them a level of importance they simply don't possess.
But hey, if it makes you feel better, go right ahead.

Correction for an inaccurate quote: I am straight.😁
William Gonzalez3 William Gonzalez3 Regular
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#134 ·
silverscout15 said:Man, where did I get this idea to start reminiscing about old college lectures on a Sunday?? Laziness is a sin, so let's dive in... fears, among other things, are split into rational and irrational. Rational fears have a logical basis: For instance, if someone is following you while you're walking along a dark trail near a park at 3 AM, and that person starts screaming and sprinting toward you—if you feel fear that they might attack you, that fear is rational and justified. Well, we could say that. Even though, obviously, it doesn't mean it *will* happen. That same person could just be a weirdo jogging through the park while yelling because it's their "thing." But, if you're walking that same path and hear footsteps behind you, and you automatically assume the owner of those feet is going to jump you and rob you blind, then your fear is irrational. It's irrational because it lacks a logical foundation. If it were logical, we'd all be taught that people walking in single file at night on trails are constantly attacking each other.
What I'm saying is, if I'm afraid that any homosexual person threatens my integrity, then that fear is irrational.

Yeah, sure, 90% of men are closeted homosexuals. I bet you know that because you surveyed every man on Earth and every single one of them told you they keep a toy in their nightstand. And I guess 90% of women are closeted homosexuals too, since 90% of them would probably say female bodies are beautiful.

And yeah, I am personally deeply concerned about that alarming 10% statistic. See, I date pretty much every guy I meet, and I take it very personally when they run off into a man's embrace. Gross, just gross, gross!

So, you mean fears are essentially justified or unjustified, rather than being strictly rational or irrational.
That's probably how you should put it.

Yeah, 90% of men are latent homosexuals. You know this because you’ve surveyed every man on the planet, and every single one of them admitted to having a rubber dildo tucked away in a drawer. And I assume 90% of women are latent homosexuals too, simply because 90% of them would say they find female bodies beautiful.

But they are latent homosexuals because they dislike homosexuals, which makes them homophobes. And homophobes are—well, just like the title implies—latent homosexuals.
Or rather, they are homosexuals who are in denial about their own nature.
If ninety percent of men dislike homosexuals, then ninety percent of men are effectively latent homosexuals—meaning they are homosexual, but they deny it even to themselves.
And as for that remaining ten percent, they are also homosexual; it's just that they don't hide it—they openly dress and act like incredibly unattractive women.

And yes, I am personally quite worried about that alarming statistic regarding the 10%. Honestly, I find every man I see to be a target for concern, and I take it very personally when they go off to embrace one another. It’s just... yuck.

It isn't just ten percent; it's much higher.
The issue is these misguided women who have become masculine and lost their femininity—basically, women who no longer want to cook, clean, or do the laundry.
Consequently, men don't really care if they're with a man or a woman; they’d much rather be with someone they can actually watch a football game with than a woman who acts like a man.

P.S. Your boyfriend is gay.
Jonathan Kim4 Jonathan Kim4 MemberOP
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#135 ·
William Gonzalez3 said:well, then you homosexuals must be crazier than they are.
I mean, they represent maybe a tiny fraction of the total population—and even that might be an overstatement.
You’re obsessing over some minuscule group that is smaller and arguably less significant to the overall population than you are, all while acting completely appalled by who they are.
Maybe I'm being a bit slow, but I truly don't see the logic in any of this.
By focusing on them like this, you're essentially giving them a level of importance they simply don't possess.
But hey, if it makes you feel better, go right ahead.

By that same logic, Islamic fundamentalists represent a mere fraction of a percent of the global Muslim population.

Yet, the whole world still loses its mind whenever someone identifies as Muslim—especially when they're walking through TSA at an airport.

At the end of the day, the sheer numbers don't matter; what matters is whether a specific group is actively infringing on the basic human rights of everyone else.
William Gonzalez3 William Gonzalez3 Regular
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#136 ·
silverscout15 said:Smaller. Insignificant. Let's just fence off one part of town with barbed wire, then sit around judging them. We won't even bother discussing it because why bother? It's pointless. But sure, let's enjoy ourselves! And in our spare time, we can brainstorm even more repressive ways to prove we're the majority. In the total population, that is—not just in whatever niche you're living in.


But honestly, how many of them are there in the total population anyway?
And what exactly have they done to merit this much attention and deep thought?

Is it because there are a thousand of them in the whole country, or is it because they manage to assault two gays a month?
If you ask me, the bigger issue is that we have five currency exchanges getting robbed every single day, but hey...
Everyone has their own priorities, I guess. If you homosexuals want to stir up this much drama over these homophobe losers—and if you really feel the need to explain to them that they're actually gay themselves—then by all means, go ahead.
I'm sure you'll get a lot out of trying to convert them into homosexuals.
William Gonzalez3 William Gonzalez3 Regular
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#137 ·
Jonathan Kim4 said:By that same logic, Islamic fundamentalists represent a mere fraction of a percent of the global Muslim population.

Yet, the whole world still loses its mind whenever someone identifies as Muslim—especially when they're walking through TSA at an airport.

At the end of the day, the sheer numbers don't matter; what matters is whether a specific group is actively infringing on the basic human rights of everyone else.

just latent Muslims.
personally, I'm not some latent Muslim, nor do I get nervous when I hear about someone else being one.

Jonathan Kim4 said:By that same logic, Islamic fundamentalists represent a mere fraction of a percent of the global Muslim population.

Yet, the whole world still loses its mind whenever someone identifies as Muslim—especially when they're walking through TSA at an airport.

At the end of the day, the sheer numbers don't matter; what matters is whether a specific group is actively infringing on the basic human rights of everyone else.

though, I think the sheer numbers actually do matter.
that seems to be the crux of the whole issue, if you ask me.
human rights violations happen constantly, regardless of who is doing it.
you have corporations that work their employees to the bone and then refuse to pay them, for instance.
but, I guess I see your point—those groups aren't quite as much of a focus because they aren't targeting gay people simply for being gay.
so, I suppose we really should be talking about homophobes as much as possible.
silverscout15 silverscout15 Member
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#138 ·
So, fears are actually justified or unjustified, rather than rational or irrational.
Just semantics, really.

Oh, obviously! I'm sure every doctor in the country was just sitting around waiting for us to fix their terminology on a random internet forum.

well, they're just closeted because they hate gay people, which makes them homophobes.

I don't like pork. Does that make me a pig? Not metaphorically—that's debatable. But literally?

it's all because of women who've become too masculine and lost their femininity—basically, they don't want to cook, clean, or iron anymore.

Right. Personally, I feel my most feminine when my hands smell like Clorox, my apron is covered in kale smoothie stains, and I've got a fresh burn from the iron on my forearm.

p.s. your boyfriend is gay.


Well, that's a bit awkward! I actually *do* cook, clean, and iron. And I'm definitely not running into the arms of the nerdy butcher next door whose wife, for the record, refuses to touch an iron.
Jonathan Kim4 Jonathan Kim4 MemberOP
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#139 ·
William Gonzalez3 said:
But honestly, how many of them are there in the total population anyway?
And what exactly have they done to merit this much attention and deep thought?

Is it because there are a thousand of them in the whole country, or is it because they manage to assault two gays a month?
If you ask me, the bigger issue is that we have five currency exchanges getting robbed every single day, but hey...
Everyone has their own priorities, I guess. If you homosexuals want to stir up this much drama over these homophobe losers—and if you really feel the need to explain to them that they're actually gay themselves—then by all means, go ahead.
I'm sure you'll get a lot out of trying to convert them into homosexuals.

He didn't claim that gay issues were the top priority, nor did he suggest that homophobia is some uniquely American crisis. This discussion was simply sparked by the spirit of recent events and everything that’s been going down lately.

Besides, you can't just "convert" someone into being gay; it isn't a choice. You either are, or you aren't...
William Gonzalez3 William Gonzalez3 Regular
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#140 ·
silverscout15 said:Smaller. Insignificant. Let's just fence off one part of town with barbed wire, then sit around judging them. We won't even bother discussing it because why bother? It's pointless. But sure, let's enjoy ourselves! And in our spare time, we can brainstorm even more repressive ways to prove we're the majority. In the total population, that is—not just in whatever niche you're living in.

Do whatever you want, I guess.
Personally, I just don't understand how anyone can afford the luxury of focusing on either homophobes or LGBTQ+ rights when, at this very moment, millions of children in Asia are working for pennies for massive US corporations—or people in Africa are starving.

But I suppose none of that really affects you.
None of it matters to you, really.
It seems the only thing that matters in all of America is whether there are a few thousand violent thugs who hate gay people—and if those thugs happen to be gay themselves—that's the only thing worth talking about.

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