I'm about to relapse, please help!

Noah Sanchez7 said:Not the first one. Definitely the second...

When I wrote that, I wasn't talking specifically to you.
I was referring to the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture them.
There are vaccines out there for almost everything, including HIV and various cancers.
But no matter how much they charge for a vaccine, the profit margin won't match what they make once a patient gets sick.
Because, as we both know, a vaccine provides long-term protection.

By the way, have you heard of the Zodiac medication?
It's a drug that makes you quit smoking effortlessly. My mom is a perfect example.
I couldn't believe my eyes when she finally quit.
That medication is overpriced here, but in the US, it's practically free.
Basically, you just have to want it.

If there's really a fight against addiction, why isn't that vaccine provided for free? Even if it's a once-a-year thing?
Then addicts wouldn't have any excuses left.

If you're going to argue about costs, then why shouldn't the government step up? Why should the state suffer because of junkies? The government wouldn't be "suffering"—on the contrary, they'd be rehabilitating people to become productive workers, which means less crime, less theft, and less of everything else. Right?

Oh, please... everyone carves out their own destiny. Unless some terminal disease decides otherwise, you’re the one driving the bus.
I have friends who got deep into the drug scene. I tell them the exact same thing I'm telling you: there are no excuses. There’s no excuse for not quitting. It doesn't matter how expensive the meds are or whatever else comes up... because if you truly want to change, you'll push through the withdrawal, ignore those half-baked therapies (which usually do more harm than good), and actually do something for yourself.
Of course, taking the path of least resistance is always tempting. It’s much easier to say, "I can't handle detox, I need my meds, I can't go to rehab." (And trust me, I know all about the path of least resistance, because I'm often the one choosing it myself.)

With an attitude like yours—just sitting around waiting for something to become free so you can finally get better—you aren't going to get anywhere.

Noah Sanchez7 said:Not the first one. Definitely the second...

When I wrote that, I wasn't talking specifically to you.
I was referring to the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture them.
There are vaccines out there for almost everything, including HIV and various cancers.
But no matter how much they charge for a vaccine, the profit margin won't match what they make once a patient gets sick.
Because, as we both know, a vaccine provides long-term protection.

By the way, have you heard of the Zodiac medication?
It's a drug that makes you quit smoking effortlessly. My mom is a perfect example.
I couldn't believe my eyes when she finally quit.
That medication is overpriced here, but in the US, it's practically free.
Basically, you just have to want it.

If there's really a fight against addiction, why isn't that vaccine provided for free? Even if it's a once-a-year thing?
Then addicts wouldn't have any excuses left.

If you're going to argue about costs, then why shouldn't the government step up? Why should the state suffer because of junkies? The government wouldn't be "suffering"—on the contrary, they'd be rehabilitating people to become productive workers, which means less crime, less theft, and less of everything else. Right?

I assume you aren't trying to draw a direct comparison between our system and the US, right?
On the flip side, there are plenty of medications that are covered by insurance or provided free of charge over here, yet in America, you’re footing the entire bill yourself. So... I’m not quite sure what point you're trying to make with that comparison.

Is an apology actually an excuse? I'm not even sure what that means anymore.. 😳

You should probably check out the latest thread on "Addiction Recovery," because I'd likely give you the exact same answer..

Noah Sanchez7 said:Is an apology actually an excuse? I'm not even sure what that means anymore.. 😳

You should probably check out the latest thread on "Addiction Recovery," because I'd likely give you the exact same answer..

An apology? You mean an excuse? Yeah, that’s basically what it is... (it could be an apology too, but certainly not in this context)

slywolf45 said:An apology? You mean an excuse? Yeah, that’s basically what it is... (it could be an apology too, but certainly not in this context)

Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking..

Noah Sanchez7 said:If you were any smarter, you wouldn't compare a predator to an addict.
A predator who directly inflicts physical and psychological pain on another person, especially a child, is not the same as an addict who, if they cause anyone pain, does it exclusively to themselves!!

Since you aren't any smarter, I can't really blame you..

Honestly, that would only be true if you were totally alone in the world—no parents, no friends, absolutely nobody who actually gives a damn about you...

George Davis6 said:Honestly, that would only be true if you were totally alone in the world—no parents, no friends, absolutely nobody who actually gives a damn about you...

Honestly, though? People struggling with addiction tend to be incredibly selfish in all of this. They aren't exactly losing sleep over the wreckage they leave behind in their loved ones' lives.

George Davis6 said:Honestly, that would only be true if you were totally alone in the world—no parents, no friends, absolutely nobody who actually gives a damn about you...

I don't follow you, you're being difficult, and I'm not a fan of your avatar either..😉 👍

slywolf45 said:Honestly, though? People struggling with addiction tend to be incredibly selfish in all of this. They aren't exactly losing sleep over the wreckage they leave behind in their loved ones' lives.

That’s true, mostly because an addict views themselves as a completely independent entity, which I honestly see as an advantage.
Why should my behavior be dictated by those close to me?

If they actually care about me, they should respect my freedom rather than trying to use their "attachment" to control what I do!!

Heading over to Chase to look into a loan,
I've really been craving some high-end gear lately..

😁

Sending love to everyone 😘

Noah Sanchez7 said:That’s true, mostly because an addict views themselves as a completely independent entity, which I honestly see as an advantage.
Why should my behavior be dictated by those close to me?

If they actually care about me, they should respect my freedom rather than trying to use their "attachment" to control what I do!!

So, let me get this straight... your parents should just applaud the fact that you’ve made the conscious, free-will decision to slowly kill yourself? Well, mission accomplished, I guess. Bravo.

slywolf45 said:So, let me get this straight... your parents should just applaud the fact that you’ve made the conscious, free-will decision to slowly kill yourself? Well, mission accomplished, I guess. Bravo.

Only junkies care about themselves and how they're gonna get their next fix....

And that's the whole damn secret...

Noah Sanchez7 said:If you were any smarter, you wouldn't compare a predator to an addict.
A predator who directly inflicts physical and psychological pain on another person, especially a child, is not the same as an addict who, if they cause anyone pain, does it exclusively to themselves!!

Since you aren't any smarter, I can't really blame you..

Oh, man, you couldn't be more wrong if you tried! I had a brother who was an addict... Are you even listening? He was!
We went through hell watching him spiral right in front of us... we were constantly having to deal with his "dealers"... dealing with the police...
Just picture this: ten SWAT officers in full gear kicking down the door, screaming at everyone to get on the ground face-first, including a six-year-old kid. Just imagine that level of terror... the sheer shock of it all....
Okay, so we somehow managed to pull through, but it definitely left its mark.
Then one day he ends up in the ER... diagnosis comes back as a tumor. Emergency surgery. And go ahead and guess where? His liver, obviously. The disease spreads fast, metastases everywhere... and before long, my brother is gone.
I spent two years on disability leave. It triggered a depression that had actual physical symptoms. I couldn't function normally, and I had two kids at home to look after. Can you imagine what they were going through back then? Thank God I'm doing much better mentally now than I ever have.
But... even today, there isn't a day that goes by where my seven-year-old girl doesn't cry for him. I see my little guy suffering through it too. And the grandparents?
So, now you tell me, was he only destroying himself? Did he only have responsibility toward himself?
I can see you think you're pretty smart, but I honestly don't get your perspective on any of this. I know and believe that addiction is a nightmare and getting clean is incredibly hard, and that addicts will come up with a thousand excuses, which is why I read your posts the way I do, but I’m afraid you're giving the original poster a totally warped view of reality—even though she knows it herself, she just found one person who thinks like her and it makes her feel less alone. If someone refuses to get clean, they need to realize their child won't have a future with them.
Sweetie, I am sending you so much strength, willpower, and love, along with a huge amount of support.

Steven Lopez19 said:Only junkies care about themselves and how they're gonna get their next fix....

And that's the whole damn secret...

Look, I get it. I already pointed out which post I was referring to earlier..

Harold Flores4 said:Oh, man, you couldn't be more wrong if you tried! I had a brother who was an addict... Are you even listening? He was!
We went through hell watching him spiral right in front of us... we were constantly having to deal with his "dealers"... dealing with the police...
Just picture this: ten SWAT officers in full gear kicking down the door, screaming at everyone to get on the ground face-first, including a six-year-old kid. Just imagine that level of terror... the sheer shock of it all....
Okay, so we somehow managed to pull through, but it definitely left its mark.
Then one day he ends up in the ER... diagnosis comes back as a tumor. Emergency surgery. And go ahead and guess where? His liver, obviously. The disease spreads fast, metastases everywhere... and before long, my brother is gone.
I spent two years on disability leave. It triggered a depression that had actual physical symptoms. I couldn't function normally, and I had two kids at home to look after. Can you imagine what they were going through back then? Thank God I'm doing much better mentally now than I ever have.
But... even today, there isn't a day that goes by where my seven-year-old girl doesn't cry for him. I see my little guy suffering through it too. And the grandparents?
So, now you tell me, was he only destroying himself? Did he only have responsibility toward himself?
I can see you think you're pretty smart, but I honestly don't get your perspective on any of this. I know and believe that addiction is a nightmare and getting clean is incredibly hard, and that addicts will come up with a thousand excuses, which is why I read your posts the way I do, but I’m afraid you're giving the original poster a totally warped view of reality—even though she knows it herself, she just found one person who thinks like her and it makes her feel less alone. If someone refuses to get clean, they need to realize their child won't have a future with them.
Sweetie, I am sending you so much strength, willpower, and love, along with a huge amount of support.

It isn't really about intelligence. He’s clearly just some kid playing the rebel role for the sake of it without any actual cause...

He’s struggling to connect the dots because he's too busy trying to look edgy by being the "lone wolf" against the world. In reality, he’s not fighting anyone but himself.

Harold Flores4 said:Oh, man, you couldn't be more wrong if you tried! I had a brother who was an addict... Are you even listening? He was!
We went through hell watching him spiral right in front of us... we were constantly having to deal with his "dealers"... dealing with the police...
Just picture this: ten SWAT officers in full gear kicking down the door, screaming at everyone to get on the ground face-first, including a six-year-old kid. Just imagine that level of terror... the sheer shock of it all....
Okay, so we somehow managed to pull through, but it definitely left its mark.
Then one day he ends up in the ER... diagnosis comes back as a tumor. Emergency surgery. And go ahead and guess where? His liver, obviously. The disease spreads fast, metastases everywhere... and before long, my brother is gone.
I spent two years on disability leave. It triggered a depression that had actual physical symptoms. I couldn't function normally, and I had two kids at home to look after. Can you imagine what they were going through back then? Thank God I'm doing much better mentally now than I ever have.
But... even today, there isn't a day that goes by where my seven-year-old girl doesn't cry for him. I see my little guy suffering through it too. And the grandparents?
So, now you tell me, was he only destroying himself? Did he only have responsibility toward himself?
I can see you think you're pretty smart, but I honestly don't get your perspective on any of this. I know and believe that addiction is a nightmare and getting clean is incredibly hard, and that addicts will come up with a thousand excuses, which is why I read your posts the way I do, but I’m afraid you're giving the original poster a totally warped view of reality—even though she knows it herself, she just found one person who thinks like her and it makes her feel less alone. If someone refuses to get clean, they need to realize their child won't have a future with them.
Sweetie, I am sending you so much strength, willpower, and love, along with a huge amount of support.

Honestly, there's no point in offering support (even though everyone would)... unless she shows some actual willingness to change.
You shouldn't be nice to them (otherwise they think everything is fine and that nobody minds what they're doing)...
And whoever wants to get mad at me, go ahead. When an addict actually shows the drive to get clean and starts working on themselves, then I'll offer my support... otherwise, no chance. I'm not going to coddle them and beg them to do something, only for them to grab a needle the second I turn my back...
No way. Help yourself first, then I'll give you my help and support.
They aren't "outcasts" because society kicked them out... they pushed themselves away from society with their own actions. They can earn their way back into normal society when they decide to act right.

Harold Flores4 said:Oh, man, you couldn't be more wrong if you tried! I had a brother who was an addict... Are you even listening? He was!
We went through hell watching him spiral right in front of us... we were constantly having to deal with his "dealers"... dealing with the police...
Just picture this: ten SWAT officers in full gear kicking down the door, screaming at everyone to get on the ground face-first, including a six-year-old kid. Just imagine that level of terror... the sheer shock of it all....
Okay, so we somehow managed to pull through, but it definitely left its mark.
Then one day he ends up in the ER... diagnosis comes back as a tumor. Emergency surgery. And go ahead and guess where? His liver, obviously. The disease spreads fast, metastases everywhere... and before long, my brother is gone.
I spent two years on disability leave. It triggered a depression that had actual physical symptoms. I couldn't function normally, and I had two kids at home to look after. Can you imagine what they were going through back then? Thank God I'm doing much better mentally now than I ever have.
But... even today, there isn't a day that goes by where my seven-year-old girl doesn't cry for him. I see my little guy suffering through it too. And the grandparents?
So, now you tell me, was he only destroying himself? Did he only have responsibility toward himself?
I can see you think you're pretty smart, but I honestly don't get your perspective on any of this. I know and believe that addiction is a nightmare and getting clean is incredibly hard, and that addicts will come up with a thousand excuses, which is why I read your posts the way I do, but I’m afraid you're giving the original poster a totally warped view of reality—even though she knows it herself, she just found one person who thinks like her and it makes her feel less alone. If someone refuses to get clean, they need to realize their child won't have a future with them.
Sweetie, I am sending you so much strength, willpower, and love, along with a huge amount of support.

🙂

Noah Sanchez7 said:🙂

So, what happened? Totally lost for words, huh...?????

Noah Sanchez7 said:Not the first one. Definitely the second...

When I wrote that, I wasn't talking specifically to you.
I was referring to the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture them.
There are vaccines out there for almost everything, including HIV and various cancers.
But no matter how much they charge for a vaccine, the profit margin won't match what they make once a patient gets sick.
Because, as we both know, a vaccine provides long-term protection.

By the way, have you heard of the Zodiac medication?
It's a drug that makes you quit smoking effortlessly. My mom is a perfect example.
I couldn't believe my eyes when she finally quit.
That medication is overpriced here, but in the US, it's practically free.
Basically, you just have to want it.

If there's really a fight against addiction, why isn't that vaccine provided for free? Even if it's a once-a-year thing?
Then addicts wouldn't have any excuses left.

If you're going to argue about costs, then why shouldn't the government step up? Why should the state suffer because of junkies? The government wouldn't be "suffering"—on the contrary, they'd be rehabilitating people to become productive workers, which means less crime, less theft, and less of everything else. Right?

Personal choice
freedom of decision
You throw these lofty terms around, and then suddenly, you're arguing that society should hand out free vaccines to strip away your precious "personal choice." Hypocrite!

The only vaccine society should be distributing for free as a preventative measure is:
a vaccine against people like you!

Not every addict—no, just hypocrites exactly like you! You who dare to lecture an addict—someone who understands their fate and their children's future—by suggesting, with total cynicism, that their mother should take the hit instead: "Let her be tested, since addicts clearly know best!"
You want to wrap yourself in the cloak of Robin Hood, playing the hero for "rights" that essentially advise people to stay addicted just so they can feel "enlightened" (evolved, right?)—but in reality, you're just a common social parasite trying to pass off your parasitic existence as some superior art form of living!

Noah Sanchez7 said:I don't follow you, you're being difficult, and I'm not a fan of your avatar either..😉 👍

Look, my avatar has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion we're having—I just don't see how it's even remotely relevant here...😕